It’s Yi’s fault, I’m first!

ChiComs.

CD-R is officially coming off the bench now. I see more shots in his future! So I wonder who’s taking his place. Terrence Williams?

It can’t be Yi’s fault, it’s Frank’s fault!

CDR needs a NEW jersey. This would satisfy his fans and critics alike. It would allow him to continue building the career that he has worked so hard to start. Don’t see this happening with the Nets. Hope his spirit isn’t broken. He still sounds strong in the interview. Good for him.

If it is Yi’s fault, it must be KIKI’s fault!

Fire Kiki!!!

Holllah!

Well, league rules say players can’t change jersey numbers in the middle of season unless they are traded or waived and then picked up by another team.

No way CDR wrote that. If you were really chatting with him, he doesn’t bother with punctuation. The way it comes out, that isn’t CDR talking.

It doesn’t have to be CDR actually typing away on the keyboard. CDR could be dictating to a Nets assistant.

Actually, the chat IS the way CDR speaks normally. His abridged version or contemporary vernacular is what he uses for some media/twitter exchanges. CDR’s Mom, Judy

But I also get the sense it’s a PR person’s “voice” and not CDR.

@ Net Income

Exactly.

How the mighty have fallen.

This might turn out “good” for CDR.

He has to play with intensity to be effective.

Coming off the bench and letting it all hang out, might work.

The Nets have to have second unit scorers. Maybe Yi should come off the bench too.

I really hope CDR does better playing off the bench. We have all seen his games where he showed versatility and efficiency in scoring. I have been Frustrated with CDR’s play as of late, as he has not adjusted to a role that doesn’t give him alot of shots. However, i blame Kiki for not fostering more chemistry not only with CDR and the team, but with the team itself. Last game Brook was shut out of the offense in the third and Philly took and held the lead for that quarter. I do think terrence Williams should start because he went from only looking to score inefficiently to being a fantastic passer/rebounder/defender who scores mainly off dunks.

cdr and i can switch places if he wants, i will play on losing nba teams my entire career for $1m/yr…

and oh…it’s yi’s fault!

@Sparkle: Jarvis finally looks to be settling into some kind of a groove and would be interested in seeing him start at SF going forward. Jarvis is pretty good at moving without the ball to find his way into the corner and having another shooter who can actually shoot on the floor could keep defenses honest with Brook and Yi down low. Who knows, maybe it’ll help Courtney as well since he wont be the only guy on the perimeter defenses will have to key on.

I’d definitely rather see TWill start over Jarvis

@Mark you are right. Jarvis hit alot of corner 3s last game and looked good. He can give us another shooter in the lineup. The more i think about it the more Jarvis Hayes starting right now makes sense. It does take a 3 point threat away from our bench but Quinn can hit the 3. Also, i have noticed Quinn sucks at taking the ball up. He is a slow dribbler that can be easily pestered. Having terrence williams out there with quinn allows T-will to take the ball up and be the main dribbler/facilitator. I am so happy because it appears T-will has finally “Gotten uP” and is developing in the right way. I wouldn’t want to force him into a situation he may not be ready for.

I think coming off of the bench will be better for him and the team in the long run. We need to put his scoring ability to good use, and maybe he’ll play harder with a defined role. Good luck CDR

Well, at the beginning of the season, Kiki lumped Jarvis Hayes in with the “young core”. Even though he is in his eighth season, he had missed a lot games to a catastrophic leg injury. So the logic was he was still young.

He’s a free agent at year’s end and not yet 29. It may just be that the Nets want to see what he can do. Will they try to re-sign him? Will he want to re-sign? How much would he want if he did? I can think of worse options than him and CDR splitting time at SF. In fact, before he came back and got into game shape, there were a lot of worse options.

If CDR gets traded, it will be part of a larger deal near the deadline. That’s not the issue. Nets know what he can do and what he can’t do. They need to find out the same thing about the post-injury Hayes. It’s a business, you know, and all they’re doing is seeing what assets they hve.

@Net Income hopefully this is the beginning of the end of CDR’s tenure with the NjNets…its clear, they don’t value him and I’d like to see him dealt b4 the deadline 2 a team that has his best interest in mind

@NI, let’s also remember that they still have some Jarvis/LeBron James reversible jerseys that need to be moved.Merchandising!

Cdr is a 6th man. I think a top tiered 6th man and a bigtime scorer. I hope we keep him as his impact on future of this team will be huge in a scoring 6th man role

I like CDR, I do. But there is a reason why he is no longer scoring. At the beginning of the year, when so many players were injured, CDR had to force his offense. Now there are so many other options, and frankly, some of them are better options. So many GMs passed on CDR for a reason, his game WAS limited. I wrote WAS, because I think his game has improved alittle, he certainly has shown a little more range. But I think he is a two, and not a three and we have too many twos, and not enough threes, so he is playing a little out of position. I know, like everybody else, that our prime target in free agency is a quality, scoring and defense playing 6-8 or 6-9 three. Then, both CDR and TWILL are role players, unless CDR can move LEE out of the two, which is doubtful. On good teams, the 8th and 9th guys have game. CDR and TWILL could be those guys. They both need to develop a mid range game, and learn to hit open threes. Also, sadly, I like our offense better with Dooling at the point, even though he is “less talented” than Devin. I’ve said this before, we need to get Devin better coaching. I need to eat dinner also, it has been a long day, and I am tired…

@muwu,

It can’t possibly be on Frank who’s no longer with the team. So it’s back to Yi’s fault.

I sometimes what to see Yi traded simply for the amusement factor of finding out who Yi bashers will blame next.

@ the gm wow you rather cdr get traded than courtney lee. Can you elaborate what has courtney done for this team.

Do we know for sure that it’s Jarvis taking CDR’s spot? If Kiki had some balls he’d give Twill the nod and move CDR to the backup 2guard. This would help the rebounding on our starting unit and get more good shots for Yi and Brook because Twill is obviously the best passer on the team.

I would also hold Lee’s feet to the fire a little and tell him that he could be next if he doesn’t become more consistent with his jumper.

Paul, actually I think it was more because of his physical strength then anything.

@ GM

Totally agree. CDR would probably be better respected on another team that needs a shooting guard (and there are several). Then he would at least have some stability in being able to play in his natural position. The sacrifice CDR made to become the small forward (in deference to CLee and “team needs”) has blown up in his face.

How is CDR sacrificing? He could be a nice player, but, everyone forgets he was a second round pick who barely played last year mostly because of injury and the fact that Vince was our starter. Why should he be handed a starting gig in the first place. He should be loving the opportunity afforded to him to get minutes, let alone start in this league. He should stop sulking and continue to improve his all around game (DEFENSE). He may even thrive coming off the bench.

Sacrifice blowing up in HIS face? It’s a team!

What position is CDR in to “defer” to Courtney Lee?

CDR is acting like he is Carmelo Anthony! huh?

So much hate…I don’t read such negative comments about any other Net other than Yi, and I don’t support Yi-bashing either. CDR is slammed on threads that aren’t even written about him. Why are some of you posters so adamant about trashing CDR? It’s crazy!!!

Hey Jeff,

What are YOU talking about? Where is this hate? All we are saying, is that CDR acts like he is an ALL STAR and right now he is not. You are defending him and saying another team would respect him more. Who is this team? How about ALL those other teams that skipped over him in the draft. Will they respect his abilities? If you play hard and improve your game, in effect, you get minutes and a potential spot in the starting lineup. CDR has been inconsistent, as have most players on this team. Thus, we might as well try different combinations.

People misinterpreted my comment..I was saying..as some1 noted..What has C Lee done in CDR’s natural playing position SG? CDR 3pts,14mins..C Lee 4pts..30mins! Cmon..I’m hoping CDR gets traded 2 a BETTER team with Better management/coaching, so he’ll get the last laugh..They’re trying to destroy HIS career while showcasing others..and PS..tell Kiki and Yi 2 go get a ROOM!

Someone please esplain how CLee has earned a starting spot over CDR?

@ JustinNJ what did coutney lee do to deserve to be a starter I need a good answer for this one.

He plays defense.

@Jeff

I don’t have any problems trashing CDR because he acts like a child. He’s self-absorbed and misguided. His behavior would indicate that he cares about his personal success and very little about the success of the New Jersey Nets.

@ JustinNJ does courtney lee deserve to start I need a good answer for this one.

First of all, Courtney Lee is a bum. People on this board talk about how CDR is one dimensional but Lee doesn’t do anything else but hustle on defense(which is good), but otherwise he’s flat out useless. His defense isn’t even that great.

That said, CDR would be better served as a scorer off of the bench. I like CDR, but he needs to grow up now, enough is enough. Be professional, and play hard. CDR has been dogging it these last few weeks and that warrants a trip to the bench. His aggressiveness and fire from earlier on this season is gone, and that’s not good. T-Will, after being glued to the bench is now being productive and looks like a solid playmaker with the ball in his hands, setting up other teammates. Douglas Roberts needs to be aggressive on offense, learn how to move without the ball, and play defense. If he does these three things, it will mean good things for the team and himself. But it looks like he’s taking everything the wrong way…Kiki is a god awful coach but what I saw from CDR was awful. I hope he learns that mailing it in while on a contract for $700,000+ is not a good idea.

Hopefully, the move to the bench is a good move for the team. Maybe, if Yi and Brook are the focus of the offense with the starters, CDR can get his touches and carry the 2nd unit offensively.

For me, it’s not a matter of who deserves to start or not. It’s a matter of what’s best for the team. Look at the Hawks. Jamal Crawford is a borderline All-Star and he’s coming off the bench, so that he can give their 2nd unit scoring punch when Joe Johnson is off the floor.

According to 82games.com, even though Lee is shooting just 40%, the Nets are much better offensively with him on the floor than they are with him on the bench: http://www.82games.com/0910/09NJN7.HTM

Meanwhile, they’re worse offensively when CDR is on the floor than when he’s on the bench: http://www.82games.com/0910/09NJN6.HTM

@Onion
THE TEAM? MY GOD MAN WHO CARES ABOUT THE TEAM?! THIS IS ABOUT CDR AND LEE AND HAYES AND YI AND TWILL AND HARRIS. IT’S NOT ABOUT THE TEAM! WHO’S UP, WHO’S DOWN…THAT’S WHAT MATTERS! PLEASE READJUST YOUR THINKING!

Onion, +/- stats are many times inaccurate and prior to this month where CDR started struggling in the offense, his +/- was probably much higher compared to Lee’s.

Oh, teh sarcasm!

Antoine, they are what they are, but by no means the last word on a player’s effectiveness. With a team as bad as the Nets, with all the early injuries and the coaching change, you can’t put a ton of value in them.

But I have kept an eye on them most of the season, and the numbers have always shown the Nets to be better offensively with CDR on the bench.

It makes sense. He’s a pretty good scorer, but he’s not that efficient and he gets most of his points in 1-on-1 situations. Most teams are better offensively when the ball is moving around, not just stuck in one player’s hands.

Anyway, I don’t want to pit one player against another. I think they all have their strengths and weaknesses, and I hope they all get better.

@ Justin

I think CDR will get more respect from teams that want/need a good shooting guard, like Chicago, Charlotte, maybe Indiana, Phoenix?? Perhaps you can clarify what you mean that CDR “acts like an ALLSTAR”?? Write to be understood. Will the teams that passed him over now be interested? Perhaps so. CDR has(had) stats to prove he’s worthy of NBA play. Why wouldnd’t they be interested? They’re probably not as interested as you are in his draft status of 2 years ago. They are probably more concerned with his performance, stats, you know, real considerations. As for the hate, look at 80% of these comments, with, I’m sure, more to come. Or look at the Message Board on this website. There are 14 PAGES of mostly derogatory comments devoted to CDR’s Twitter Page! CDR’s “inconsistency” merits benching? Is that standard set just for CDR? (Please don’t mention the rookie TWill. His infractions were very different.) Hope you join me in wishing for a trade for CDR. Maybe we can agree on something..

Most of those 14 pages were positive or people enjoying CDR’s tweets. That is, until he started saying dumb things.

My prediction: CDR, if actually involved in the offense, will e a jamal crawford TYPE. He wont prouce like jamal but he wil provide quick spark and something for opposing teams to consider with him coming off the bench.It will be difficult for the nets to decide whether to trade lee or cdr. i think lee bcuz it will add some value to the carter trade ut it would be a tough deciion if they had to pick between the 2

Bottomline, I was not comparing CDR to Courtney Lee. As a matter of fact, CDR has played better than Courtney Lee this season. Both, however, are not guaranteed a starting job and both to me have not PROVED they should be starters. They have both been inconsistent, as can be seen by our wonderful record. They would both be coming off the bench on other teams and to me should be for this team as well. I actually prefer starting Terrence Williams at the 2 even if he does not shoot very well right now. For me, Terrence offers a more all around game. He hustles, plays defense consistently, has the body to muscle opponents, REBOUNDS great for a guard, passes like no one else on the team and just seems to have a flow when he is on the court that says he knows how to win. He also still needs to improve many aspects of his game, but, he keeps us competitive and close in games. He also seems to make other players better. I was just making the comment, that it seems to me that CDR has been sulking quite a bit and assumes he should automatically start. Regardless, of which position he should play, he should go out there and just play. The whole team needs major strides to get better. To me, the only established starter is Brook. Every other postion is up in the air. Play ball and you will be rewarded!

Besides, why would I want to trade a player that is in his second year and has shown flashes of being a very good player. He just has to continue to improve and be more consistent, which most second year players have to do. My point, was that he is only in his second year and in his first year he barely played due to injuries. So, why would he automatically assume he should be a starter.

Season ending injury for Courtney Lee anytime soon please?

start twill over cdr. he deserves it.

CDR was 16 ppg b4 yis comeback…..

bench Yi, i hate him.

develop CDR

Nets suck :D :D :D

One thing that Courtney lee has over CDR is more shooting range. CDR has taken progressively fewer three-point shots and over the past two months has been hitting about 20% from deep. Courtney Lee is going in the opposite direction. In the month of January, he’s hitting about a third of his three-point attempts. Now I don’t believe that Lee should be a starter on a good team, but SOMEONE has to start for the Nets, and it makes sense for it to be someone who can periodically hit a three-pointer, especially when Devin Harris and Terrence Williams can’t. I think that CDR’s one of those players that needs to be surrounded by the right personnel to be most effective, and the Nets don’t have it.

hey Dumpy,

Just because someone takes a lot of 3pt shots and makes them every 5 games or so doesn’t make them a “3 point shooter”

Lee can’t hit the broadside of a barn most nights, and can barely finish lay ups at the rim.

CDR deserves to be benched, but this stuff people come up with to give that bum Lee a pass is laughable. Neither player is starter material at this point.

@MrDB

“First of all, Courtney Lee is a bum. People on this board talk about how CDR is one dimensional but Lee doesn’t do anything else but hustle on defense(which is good), but otherwise he’s flat out useless. His defense isn’t even that great.”

This.

If Kiki has the guts to bench CDR, Lee should have been sent to the end of the bench a long time ago, period.

As for CDR, hopefully this will make him have more touches with the 2nd unit and he plays harder. This kid is really talented, unlike Lee. We all have seen what CDR can do when he plays aggressively and when he’s used properly.

CDR fell to the 2 round because he was being to flashy he was tryin too hard to impress GM’s that’s the reason but him playin within him self he is a very very good ball player. And as far as this Courtney stuff the guy works VERY hard b4 and after practice and even on off days he’s at the facility shooting the past 6 or 7 games his fg% has been a little above 50%. All of you say man he’s not making shots when if you WATCH the GAME and not just follow the ball when you are watching he works very very hard on defense. Next time yous look at a game look at him on the defensive end of the floor. And I don’t agree with Yi bashing but I must admit he MUST step it up on defense because he does us no good if he score 22 points but HIS opponent has score 20+ points

TCDR

um i agree with somebody gettin benched but yi should have been the victim not cdr or both at least

oh yea im sorry clee sucks he needs to get benched he is the worst sg in nets history!!!

@ Jeff -

Stephen Jackson >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Douglas-Roberts.