LeBron: NBA Might Be Better Without the Nets and Timberwolves
by Net Income on Dec 24, 2010 8:13 AM EST
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PrintLeBron James could not have ingratiated himself to Mikhail Prokhorov or the Players Association for that matter Thursday when he spoke about the consequences of contraction.
"Just imagine if you could take Kevin Love off Minnesota and add him to another team," he said. "Or, looking at some of the teams that's not that great, you take Brook Lopez or you take Devin Harris off these teams that's not that good right now and add 'em to a team that could be really good.
"I'm not saying, 'Let's take New Jersey, let's take Minnesota out of the league'," he added. "But, hey you guys are not stupid. I'm not stupid. I know what would be great for the league."
- LeBron James talks the merits of an NBA with fewer teams - Ira Winderman - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
- LeBron James: Contraction 'would be great for the league' - Brian Windhorst - ESPN
- LeBron James mentions Nets when asked about contraction - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- LeBron James misguided in contraction yapping - Matt Moore - CBS Sports
- LeBron: Contraction would be 'great' for NBA - Ken Berger - CBS Sports
- LeBron suggests contraction might not be a bad thing - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- Wade sits out Suns game with swollen knee - Ethan Skolnick - Palm Beach Post
- Miami Heat's LeBron James wants more multi-star teams - Paul Coro - Arizona Republic
- LeBron James: NBA Might Be Better With Fewer Teams - Brett Pollakoff - Fan House
- LeBron James not a Nets' fan - The Record
- LeBron hints that contraction might help NBA - John Marshall - AP
- James says star-filled teams good for NBA - Agence France Presse
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WTF
lebron is still pissed tht he passed the proky money…..
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I have to be very careful with what I say in response to this.
I’ll go ahead and take a minute to figure out how I can tear LeBron a new one for being the league’s biggest moron since Karl Malone in a manner that won’t get me banned.
Have at it, boys. I’ll be back.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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Enough Lebron
He needs to shut up, think how much better Cleveland would be if you were still on their team. Your part of the problem. With thinking like this why not just have 4 all star teams in the league.
Or he might want to say I ‘m getting millions and I don’t care about the fringe players in the league who might lose their jobs, because obviously he doesn’t. And in the eighties how many fewer teams were in the league ?
Funnier yet in the eighties there were 6 expansion teams including the Heat, maybe they should contract them
wait for it....
Yep… it’s official, I just got dumber after reading that.
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by Avery's Johnson on Dec 23, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions
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I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
Oh gimme a break.
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hmm?
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
Sorry... It's like the millionth time I've seen that in the past week on various forums.
Damn internet memes.
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is this better?
sending this guy after Lebron:
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
Yes. Much, much better.
I can’t get enough of the Basterds.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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blasphemy
haters gonna hate never gets old
by sheepareevil on Dec 23, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
SMH at you Lebron
I can’t believe he said this. Maybe he’ll smarten up as he gets older…
is he serious? every league has a couple of bad teams and especially when players team up with each other. i want to hear him say that in 2 years or maybe even 10 days. Who knows with melo?
Well nobody can win without help
But I agree. Players just want to join up with superstar friends instead of building their own dynasty. Most people nowadays have their eye on the championship and not how they get there.
'Bron, you could head south bet your mom is riding west
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 23, 2010 10:30 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Wouldn't a similar effect
occur if you kicked the best 5 teams out of the league?
probably not just because of roster/cap limits
it’s not like they could form super teams of 6-7 players
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
He knows what would be good for the league?
That’s funny, I didn’t know attempting to remove all parody in the league by teaming up with Wade and Bosh was good for the league…
People this is how they feel about us
Why we can’t just keep waiting for the draft every season we need to make moves smart moves but moves nonetheless. Every year we have a loosing season waiting for a Lebron in the draft its time to win. Make moves King make this team better for the long a short term use our assets tired of the disrespect.
Mentioned us with the Timberwolves SMH
Time to start winning no more waiting, saying wait until Brooklyn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxxPLDZnqwA haters gonna hate
So basically if Melo was traded to us in September
he wouldnt have said a thing. I would be so incredibly pissed if by some apocalyptic event Paul ends up Miami.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
Ive heard it before.
Most likely a a baseless rumor.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 23, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
No its not
Unless Paul doesn’t value 14/15 of his salary.
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LeBron can think what he wants.
It’s obvious that he’s this generation’s Wilt Chamberlain; tremendous physical specimen who put up lofty stats but couldn’t win because deep down, that wasn’t important to him… The only thing that is is LeBron James.
Like Wilt, he’ll go the rest of his life thinking that he’s the GOAT, all the while never realizing that he’s essentially one of the biggest jokes in the history of the league. A fantastic talent who wasted it because he was more in love with himself than anything else, including basketball. After he’s dead, folks will look back on his life and career with more pity than anything else. Like Wilt, people will wonder, “Was he really that clueless?”
Like with Wilt, the answer will be Yes.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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Just WHERE do you get this Wilt/Lebron comparison???
Do you know much about Wilt’s career? What about Wilt Chamberlain in the league is like Lebron?
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, yes, yes I do know a lot about Wilt.
Like Wilt, LeBron is dominant in ways people haven’t seen before.
Like Wilt, LeBron puts up numbers that are almost incomprehensible.
Like Wilt, LeBron is stacking up individual accolades year after year.
Like Wilt, LeBron ain’t doin much winning. Wilt won two championships in his career – which is ridiculous, by the way – LeBron’s got nothin.
Like Wilt, LeBron abandoned his original team to go chase a brighter spotlight and oh yeah, one of those rings too. Those are pretty cool, too.
Like Wilt, LeBron doesn’t seem to have a clue about how comically out of touch he is about where his own image stands. Wilt wanted to be loved. Wilt thought he was loved. But there were plenty of people who didn’t love Wilt. The true irony in that is that Wilt would actually take it easy on teams, so that he didn’t come off as a bully. Too bad people already thought of him as an arrogant jerk.
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First of all Lebron doesn’t put numbers up ANYWHERE near Wilt’s. Wilt outscored TEAMS.
Second of all, Wilt DID win, and Lebron hadn’t. Wilt had the misfortune of going up against the greatest Dynasty in the history of basketball.
Thirdly, Wilt did not “abandon” his original team. He was TRADED to the 76ers due to financial problems of the Warriors. There was no free agency then. In fact the Warriors were so bad that one of the players he was traded for refused to report and simply retired.
And, when he finally got to the Lakers he completely change his game to compliment the scorers he was with, and actually lead the league in assists, as a center.
As for Wilt being loved or not, he was a FREAK, and yes he took it easy on teams because he didn’t want to bully (or be a Freak), but this is the last thing you would subscribe to Lebron. Wilt didn’t know how to fit into the game because he simply was TOO good for it. Lebron felt he was too good for it, which is a very different thing. Wilt played in an age of racism as a freak of nature, Lebron plays in the post-Jordan age of Nike image black heroism.
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
First of all, it’s all relative. What do you think Wilt’s numbers would look like if he were playing today? How would LeBron’s look if he played back in the ’60’s.
Your second point is off base. Go read “Breaks of the Game” or even Bill Simmons’ new book. Wilt could have, and should have, won way more titles than he did. The only person to blame for that is Wilt. The very same thing can be said about LeBron over the past couple of years when his teams were the best in the regular season, only to be followed by a LeBron/Cavs choke job in the spring.
Your third point, about the Lakers, is also off base. Again, I refer you to the two books above, and also Wilts autobiography. Wilt only augmented his game when he felt it benefited him to do so, and when he did, it was 100% on his terms. LeBron has yet to learn that his way isn’t the best way.
As for your forth point, if you really think Wilt didn’t think he was, as you put it, “Too good for the game” then I really, really recommend his autobiography.
I’m sorry, sir, but you have it backwards.
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Wilt could have, and should have, won way more titles than he did. The only person to blame for that is Wilt.
Someone named Bill Russell had a thing or two to do about that. Malone should have won more titles too. As should have Ewing.
Your third point, about the Lakers, is also off base.
You said his ORIGINAL team, apparently under the mis-impression that the 76ers were his original team.
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I misspoke when I said his original team. My bad.
As to your other point… Didn’t you say that Wilt outscored other teams?
It’s not an untrue statement. But doesn’t it provoke you to ask yourself, “Wait, if this dude was that good, then why didn’t he win more than TWO championships?”
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Its because he was going up against an entire TEAM of Hall of Famers (see the Celtics).
And going up against the greatest game 7 player in the history of American sports, Bill Russell.
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ask anyone who saw the two of them play, and they'll tell you that Russell was nowhere near the talent that Wilt was.
No matter how you wanna slice it. Wilt underachieved during his career. Big time. There’s really no way to justify it. There’s a number of reasons why Wilt choked in big games against Bill, but at the end of the day, all that really matters is that he choked.
I’d say that the same is true about LeBron.
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Russell himself says he wasn't as "talented"
But Russell was more talented in other ways. Take a look at his career numbers. He was the greatest defender in the league. Then take a look at his performances in elimination games. “Talent” is a complicated thing, especially in a team game.
If you want to say that Russell’s greatness was merely Wilt sucking, go ahead, but you will probably be the only one in the world how thinks that. Defense is a “talent” too.
Defensive Win Shares
1956-57 NBA 4.6 (3)
1957-58 NBA 7.7 (1)
1958-59 NBA 8.2 (1)
1959-60 NBA 8.9 (1)
1960-61 NBA 11.3 (1)
1961-62 NBA 11.6 (1)
1962-63 NBA 12.6 (1)
1963-64 NBA 16.0 (1)
1964-65 NBA 14.4 (1)
1965-66 NBA 11.4 (1)
1966-67 NBA 9.2 (1)
1967-68 NBA 7.8 (2)
1968-69 NBA 9.9 (1)
Career NBA 133.6 (1)
Career 133.6 (1)
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Oh no, sir. I'm in no way trying to marginalize Bill's talent, or his accomplishments.
Just trying to be as honest as possible, and leave my bias out of the discussion.
It’s very possible that Bill was the first guy in the history of the sport who was competitive on a pathological level. Failure simply was not an option for the man. It’s why he vomited before every big game, even during his coaching days in Seattle. When you combine that kind of competitive fire with his level of talent, you have yourself someone who’s incredibly difficult to beat.
The thing is, you’ll have a lot of trouble convincing me that Wilt still couldn’t have beaten those Celtics teams, had he possessed even half the competitive attitude that Russell had.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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The thing is, you’ll have a lot of trouble convincing me that Wilt still couldn’t have beaten those Celtics teams, had he possessed even half the competitive attitude that Russell had.
That is a VERY intangible question. But you can’t have it both ways. Wilt sucked because he should have beaten Russell, but Russell was great because he beat Wilt.
Either Russell beat a VERY worthy opponent and established his greatness, or he beat a wishy washy, pathetic non-competitor.
Part of the answer lies in the fact that basketball is a team game, and the Celtics knew how to build GREAT teams, filled with complimentary players. Team play always beats great individual excellence.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Bill was great because he beat the snot out of everybody.
Not just Wilt.
I guess it needs to be said that I’m not trying to marginalize what Wilt has done, or how great he was, either. There’s no doubt he’s one of the best of all time.
“Part of the answer lies in the fact that basketball is a team game, and the Celtics knew how to build GREAT teams, filled with complimentary players. Team play always beats great individual excellence.”
You won’t find many who disagree with this. But the thing you need to realize is that Bill knew how to win, and Wilt really didn’t. Wilt thought that the key to winning was for his teammates to conform exclusively to him; Bill knew it was the other way around.
It’s what fundamentally separated the two of them. And it’s the same thing that separates the LeBron’s from the Jordan’s and the Russell’s and the Duncan’s and the Bird’s and the Magic’s and even the Kobe’s.
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Against Russell
Chamberlain averaged exactly 28.7 points and 28.7 rebounds in 142 games.
Russell averaged 14.5 points and 23.7 rebounds per game.
If only Chamberlain would have tried harder.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
At what point did I say Wilt didn't try hard enough?
Wilt did everything he could to beat those Celtics teams on his own. Bill simply knew better.
Look, I’m not asking all basketball players to exhibit the same level of competitiveness as Bill Russell. What I’m saying is, the most common trait you’ll find amongst the greatest players this game has ever seen is an attitude that embraces the notion that the key to winning lies in the “We” and not the “I.”
Of course, there are outliers. Guys who, despite the fact that they didn’t win as much as they should have, were just too darn good to simply choose to ignore. There are a lot fewer of these guys running around, because well, to be honest, there simply hasn’t been that many players that have been THAT good or THAT dominant. Maybe only a handful.
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so when Sam Jones hits a jumper to win the series
Wilt wasn’t “competitive” enough. Russell played on a team with 7 Hall of Famers once. Its Wilt played with some very good players, but NEVER on a team like that. And you can be rest assured that with Wilt the Celtics would have won as well.
I don’t know. Clearly you want to see Wilt as flawed, and I want to see him as uniquely challenged. When you are physically dominant it is very difficult to make the change from “I can get ever rebound and ever point” (which largely he could) to playing situational basketball that demands stops, or making game changing plays. When not challenged much of the time its very hard to learn the fractional small things that bring championships.
Just my opinion. I give Russell his greatness, and part of his greatness was pulling victory from his great counterpart. Ali is considered great because Forman and Frazier were great. I just don’t see Wilt as a failure.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
The Sam Jones shot isn't really a fair argument.
Luck has an effect, good or bad.
I don’t see Wilt as a failure, but I do see him as somewhat flawed, I guess. Winning is something that, more often than not, is learned. It always seemed to me that Wilt chose to ignore the lesson for the majority of his career.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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I understand that. And that has been largely the media
“book” on him. He clearly was unhappy much of his life. I see this much more a factor of the place he found himself in.
I also think that this “flawed” take on him came out of how people viewed the Russell/Chamberlain battle. Russell came to represent the “white” end of it (though painfully ostracized in white Boston, the whiteness of their brainy greatness came to be projected upon him, and even embraced by him in his own self-story), and Chamberlain the “black” end – over-gifted athletically, but too egotistical, too much Jack Johnson, a black man who didn’t know he place, didn’t understand team work, couldn’t “apply” himself, and therefore didn’t “know how to win”. There are elements of truth in these generalizations of both, but also a lot of cultural projection. Chamberlain would have won a ton with the Celtics if he had played with them, and none of this would have taken hold.
Just my opinion.
Didn't hurt that Russell
had the hall of famers and the greatest coach in history on his side with that competitive attitude. Chamberlain in Boston would have been interesting, maybe even going the course of Kobe/Phil with his ego
Jerry West, in the view of many of his contemporaries was the greatest 2 guard to play
the game (in an Age of great 2 guards). He is The Logo, he is known as Mr. Clutch. He won exactly ONE Championship (and he couldn’t do it w/o Chamberlain.
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
And Wilt, in the view of many of his contemporaries, was the greatest center to play the game.
At the very least, they say he was the most dominant, by a large margin.
What’s your point?
Unlike Wilt, Jerry didn’t have the talent around him to win until he got Elgin AND Dipper.
Wilt did, as evidenced by his first championship.
We can go around in circles arguing about this until we’re blue in the face, or we can agree to disagree. Either way, I wholeheartedly and humbly suggest you read any or all of those three books I’ve mentioned. At the very least, it’ll give you a different perspective to look from.
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The bottom line is that I respect Wilt, and have empathy for
what he struggled against. He played in a different era, one where the color of your skin excluded you, and he had the unique challenge of being physically superior in almost every way than anyone he played against. It was a time in America when being dominant as a black man was problematic. It was celebrated, but it was also cursed (Bill Russell spoke a lot about this). Lebron has been an AAU spoiled brat and to compare them is not deserved. Lebron hasn’t achieved 1/4 of what Wilt has achieved in the league, and hasn’t faced what Wilt faced.
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Of course LeBron hasn't faced what Wilt faced when he played.
But that isn’t really fair, now is it?
Just because Wilt was an uber talented 7 foot black man living and playing in a time where that was just as much a blessing as it was a curse doesn’t excuse the fact that he was a massive underachiever and oblivious to his own public image.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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Lebron has not been a “massive underachiever”. He actually has over-achieved. They had no business being in that finals, or wining so many games each year.
And if being obvious to your public image is a crime, about half the league is a “Wilt”.
Lastly of course, Lebron isn’t oblivious to his public image. He is a villain now, and is trying to embrace it. He thought he was beloved in Cleavland, and he was. Now he believes he has a black hat, and he does.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody said it's a crime to be oblivious to one's image.
What separates the Wilt’s and the ’Bron’s from the rest of the league is that most NBA players don’t have the ego those two did/do. And that’s really saying something.
I’d also say it’s debatable whether or not LeBron has really embraced the role of a villain, yet.
As for the over/under achieving. There’s simply no reason the Cavs couldn’t have beaten the Magic in ’09. Same with the Celtics in ’10. Would they have beaten the Lakers in each of those years? Who the heck knows. But I do know that winning over 60 regular season games twice in a row (right?) is no accident. Those postseason performances were choke jobs.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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Kobe CERTAINLY has the ego of both Lebron and Wilt, perhaps combined.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
And Michael Jordan probably has an ego that's bigger than all three of them combined.
And what’s the difference between Mike and Kobe and LeBron and Wilt?
Mike and Kobe eventually learned how to sublimate their egos for the benefit of the team and to provide them with the best chance possible to win championships.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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having a big ego can be a good thing if it can be controlled.
Lebron lacks professionalism and is plain ignorant to be honest.Phenomenal talent but lacks that “thing” that makes the great players great.
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Mike and Kobe eventually learned how to sublimate their egos for the benefit of the team and to provide them with the best chance possible to win championships.
Kobe never sublimated his ego with Shaq. The first 3 peat was with him playing second fiddle, but not because he wanted to. In fact his ego helped fracture that team in a fairly selfish manner.
And after that he demanded to be traded – no sublimation of ego there. its true that he has grown up since Gasol came aboard, but this is very recently the case. Lebron is much more in the early Kobe years. You can’t compare latter Kobe to present Lebron.
And indeed Wilt sublimated his ego with the Lakers. That’s how he won his championship there. I have no idea why you don’t include Wilt in that list.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Because Wilt went right back to being Same 'Ol Wilt after he won the second title.
As for Kobe, the ONLY reason those three-peat teams were able to win championships was precisely because Kobe and Shaq were willing to put their differences aside and come together to win a ring.
And, not that it really matters, the truth is that after that first title run, Kobe WAS the best player on the Lakers. Its common knowledge that Shaq got lazy after his first ring. He was still the teams first option – he was still the most dominant force in the league at the time, after all – but Kobe was the better player. You’ll have trouble finding folks who disagree with that.
Kobe demanded a trade simply because he truly felt that Los Angeles no longer provided him with the best chance to win a championship. This wasn’t some Carmelo-esque posturing, either. The man called into local LA radio in tears to talk about his demands. And he stayed with the team! He saw it through. Yeah, it was a douchey thing to demand a trade, but nobody can deny that he did it because all he honestly wanted to do was win. I mean, really, why else would the best player in the game (at the time) demand to be traded from the Lakers?
After that, he came into the season with a completely fresh outlook; totally prepared to do what it took to win with the team he had… Then the Lakers lucked into Pau. transformation was already taking place, though. Was it complete? Hell no. but the seeds of change were planted at the beginning of the ’07 season.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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And, not that it really matters, the truth is that after that first title run, Kobe WAS the best player on the Lakers.
Absolutely NOT. Kobe took the spotlight, but Shaq was unstoppable.
In the three-peat playoffs Shaq averaged nearly 30 pts and 14 rebounds and shot 54%.
Kobe averaged 28pts and 5 assist.
Shaq was the complete force on that team.
Comparing Shaq's and Kobe's numbers is fools gold.
You simply can’t compare a 7 foot, 300 pound center who was the most physically dominant player since Wilt to a shooting guard… Any shooting guard. Even the best one in the game at the time.
For what it’s worth, 44% for a shooting guard in the playoffs is pretty dang good. Especially against good defensive teams like the Spurs, whom Kobe almost single handedly carried the Lakers past in ’02 and ’03.
By the way, thank you. This has been an awesome conversation. I’m a huge basketball history nerd, and this was really, really fun. Probably the best convo I’ve had on this board yet.
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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You simply can’t compare a 7 foot, 300 pound center who was the most physically dominant player since Wilt to a shooting guard… Any shooting guard. Even the best one in the game at the time.
This is EXACTLY the point. The point is that 30 pts from a dominant center SO contorts the floor it just opens it up for perimeter guys. Shaq didn’t really need Kobe (just in terms of capacity to effect the game), in the way that Kobe needed Shaq. Shaq contorted the entire floor.
In any case, there is ZERO chance that Kobe was hands-down the better player. In fact if you had to pick one I say it was Shaq. There simply was no player like him.
And if you think the Lakers would have gotten past Duncan without Shaq, I’d say you are hallucinating.
I enjoy your view as well. Nice to talk to someone who knows the past.
It’s harder for a 6-6 guy to dominate from the perimeter in a similar fashion to a center like Shaq. Especially when said shooting guard is on the same team as the big fella.
Again, I’m not arguing who was more productive, or even who meant more to the team at the time. Just who the better overall player was. That was Kobe. Only slightly. And, to be perfectly fair, it was after that 99-00 season that Shaq started showing signs of physical deterioration. Of course, that had a lot to do with his conditioning, but what we’re really talking about is simply a matter of one player starting his decline whilst the other was starting his ascension.
"why would you want to do that
this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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It’s harder for a 6-6 guy to dominate from the perimeter in a similar fashion to a center like Shaq. Especially when said shooting guard is on the same team as the big fella.
It takes more skills, if you want to say that skills that matter are dexterity or shot making, but the effect on the game comes from the Inside. Shaq was absolutely unique in the history of the league. Maybe not since Wilt. Early Kobe? The league has seen many Kobes of that skill. Still excellent, but not the unique player Shaq was.
lebron you are now the biggest ass in the league ...
first the diva mood swings..than your close ups..now you have some audacity to say we’re not good enough to be in the league …lil boy grow up ..we were here before you, and we’ll be here after you… a real nets fan ..
Your single handedly burning me out
We all know the Nets are bad and want to win! It’s out of our hands.
by Zartan on Dec 24, 2010 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
what kind of a player disses two whole teams like this?
really dumb, forreal. even if he didnt mean it like this, a lot of players on both these times might take this pretty personally and should. the irony of course is that the Nets have a rich history going back to the ABA, whereas the Heat were one of those unnecessary expansion teams that “ruined” the talent distribution of the 80s. if the Heat didnt have 3 (okay who we are kidding, it’s 2) stars, then they should be contracted. Miami is a joke of a sportstown.
Our organizations fault for even allowing this to be a topic
We should not have been in this bad a shape, having talk shows making fun of us.
HATERS GONNA HATE
JETS / falcons...METS / rays...NETS / lakers
My word is my pride, the wisdom is weak, and that's word from the wise.
A team like the Lakers doesn't even have haters
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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 23, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
this revision was made by some guy on SSR lol
JETS / falcons...METS / rays...NETS / lakers
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by YoungMoney24 on Dec 23, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
yep
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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 23, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
HA!
It’s only cause he want’s them to join him in Miami.
He wants other teams/ players to do what he did, so that it would be justified.
Maybe
He certainly has the combination of ignorance and arrogance to think that what he did over the summer was groundbreaking.
"why would you want to do that
this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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this
a truly doubt LeBron knows his NBA history.
by sheepareevil on Dec 23, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
He's a joke
Now he’s talking down to teams? Who are you? Pump your breaks buddy.You haven’t been around that long to be talking smack about people. That’s just classless.
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JETS / falcons...METS / rays...NETS / lakers
My word is my pride, the wisdom is weak, and that's word from the wise.
How about our team do something about it
Start winning games? He didn’t mention the Bucks or the Pacers
by Atronic on Dec 23, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That just shows how stupid his comments are
The teams that are on top now were terrible years ago.
Should Orlando have been contracted when they were an absolute joke after they signed Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill?
The more you read into what he said, he comes off as an idiot. An uneducated idiot at that.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
agree, Most teams
don’t start off great. Orlando as you stated, more recently the Thunder. These teams were built through good trade aqusitions and good draft picks.
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LeBron is a joke
Are you kidding me…What he is doing is not good for the league?
When he went to the Heat, I lost all respect for him. He is very classles and i dont know how anybody can respect him now.
I"m not even mad at Lebron
I’m mad at our organization, he can think and feel however he chooses, but we shouldn’t have been so bad for so long.
by Atronic on Dec 23, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
we've been bad for like 3 years
that’s barely a drop in the bucket in terms of the NBA.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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wordaapp
some people really need to more patient. the most important thing to get back to winning is an owner willing to spend, and we have that.
by sheepareevil on Dec 23, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Our organization has been a joke the past 2 years tho
Last year was the worst run organization ever, I seen high school clubs better run we should have never been in contention for breaking the all time losses mark was an embarrassment, this organization needs to step up the stigma is still there, I mean he mention us and the Timberwolves, not the Bobcats or the Warriors that should be a wake up call.
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by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but relative to the league that's not that bad
the league has a pretty big split between teams records rather than most hovering around .500 like in other sports
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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Which is to say that the league has had a lot of bad teams
That the good teams with the dominate players feast on. Kinda Lebron’s point. I think it would be blind to think that the Nets don’t still have the stigma of being a bad team, even though they did have a very nice stretch with Kidd.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
seriously
it kills me to hear people say that they can’t take being bad. Where were you guys prior to Jason Kidd coming here? I can count on one hand how many good years that i’ve seen the Nets have before Kidd came here
this is NOTHING.
I equate new age Net fans(who came on board a little before or during our finals runs) to Yankee fans that were too young to remember what happened before Derek Jeter arrived.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I was born in the late 80s
and I dig Mr. Dollarbills
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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I was born in 1980 LOL
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
lol, still wet behind the ears!
I’m a “Classic 1959 model.” I guess with M I K E gone, I am the elder statesman of NetsDaily.
Speaking of M I K E, he did e-mail me yesterday and let me know that he was o.k.
He wanted to say goodbye to everyone but knew that it wasn’t possible. So let me take the liberty for him.
The reason he was not himself the other night, was that he met up with the “spirits” of Christmas past, present, and future…“Jack Daniels” and his two brothers, lol.
He was a little tipsy, and so made for his out of control behavior. I know he said things that annoyed and made some people angry. He didn’t mean what he said.
In the spirit of Christmas, I hope that you can find it in your hearts to forgive him.
Let me take this moment to wish everyone a most joyous and blessed Christmas.
Enjoy your time with family and friends. They are what’s most important at this time of year.
Well for that matter anytime of year. God bless and see you back in a few!
"Love is lovelier...the second time around
Just as wonderful...with both feet on the ground"
spirits...well to each his own aunt-B are you cooking anything special?
Mods,
How about he signs a waiver that if he posts on Netsdaily when drunk he’s gone?
Sounds fair to me….?
Next time you speak to M I K E tell him universal says what up!?
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Merry Christmas, universal
Am I cooking anything special? Lol, does Santa have whiskers?
Actually my Mom who turns 78 on New Years day still prepares Christmas day dinner for the family. I do the baking. My speciality is a white chocolate cheesecake and a black forest torte which are always big hits.
I also bake several different kinds of cookies and make a lot of candy. Being from Kentucky, bourbon balls are a tradition.
Thank you for your support of M I K E. If I can get my e-mail to go through I will relay your message to him. It seems as though with he and I, we are either hit or miss. (mostly miss)
Have a great holiday!
I might have to resort to using a carrier pigeon or a message in a bottle, lol.
"Love is lovelier...the second time around
Just as wonderful...with both feet on the ground"
thanks you too
Holdup your mom’s 78 and still cooks? Sounds like some great chefs in your family.
mmm mmm cheescake and everything else sounds good. Mouth watering.
He’s part of the Netsdaily family.
Take care aunt B
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JETS / falcons...METS / rays...NETS / lakers
My word is my pride, the wisdom is weak, and that's word from the wise.
Hold up!!!
“I don’t ever think it is bad for the league when guys decide they want to do some greatness for what we call a team sport.”
“Hopefully the league can figure out one way where it can go back to the ’80s where you had three or four All-Stars, three or four superstars, three or four Hall of Famers on the same team,” James said. “The league was great. It wasn’t as watered down as it is [now].”
So now he knows whats best for the NBA . Ugh
Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
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He wasn't even born. All he knows is what he sees on NBATV classics, where only the top teams are shown.
And players on teams were significantly older back then.
Now, most players are out of the league much sooner, thus providing evidence that the NBA is better than it used to be.
Drew Brees
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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 23, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
The interesting thing about this statement is that one of the potential
bargaining chips the league was supposed to have in the CBA lockout was the threat of contraction (and the loss of union jobs). Somehow Lebron is either unwittingly or bizarrely intentionally supporting a David Stern threat of contraction.
Is Lebron SOOO out of the loop? Or is he so much a part of the elite he really doesn’t care about the union position in the CBA negotiation?
oblivious
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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Keep and eye open for this
Good point.
by Zartan on Dec 24, 2010 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he'll make his money eitherway...
his infamy will live one well past his career at this point. what has lebron done that would give you the idea that he cares about anyone (even other players) more than himself… or at all?
I liked him more than Kobe.
LoL not anymore.
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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 23, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
He also thinks
having a one hour televised special to tell everyone where u r signing is a good idea.
To not tell the team prior to making the decision what u were going to do, a team that invested millions in you and tried to do everything they could to make u happy.
Not the brightest light in the room
by O Dog on Dec 24, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sad he mentioned the Nets before Cleveland
Our stigma is still there, up to Proky, Avery, and King to erase that, Melo is a way if they can come away with a solid team.
The Nets have the richest owner in the sport
and will soon become a profitable franchise. We are not a candidate for contraction.
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For him to say that means others think that way why we need
Do things to change that mentality, starting Stephan Graham at the two and being excited about Sasha Vujacic is not a good thing, we need that shakeup.
It was roughly $17 billion if I can remember correctly
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Paul Allen
was the richest in all sports—as owner of the Seahawks and Blazers, but Forbes latest calculation has him $700 million wealthier. Finans, the Russian magazine equivalent of Forbes, reports he is $4.5 BILLION richer than Allen.
Ah, there are enough players in the league to fill out his team's roster, the problem is the cap.
The cap would probably not go significantly up with contraction.
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I detest Lebron, I have to say that contraction is something that would do the NBA good.
Clearly the Nets are not a team that would contract (long history, well funded owner, new stadium), but the Nets certainly WOULD benefit from contraction, and the overall play of the league would certainly improve. The NBA would no longer be a haves and have-nots league.
I actually agree
he’s an idiot but contraction probably makes sense.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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i agree
IMO, the nba (and probably the NHL and MLB as well) overreached in the last twenty years with all these teams they added.
by shane gayle on Dec 24, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
ohhh i get it
after reading his quotes it seems like a lame attempt to justify his emotional rape of the people of cleveland and team up with 2 other stars.
i get it.
imagine something extremely witty here
Hey , You're talking about the King......
Personally , I think it’s all gone to his once small head……
Sir Charles Barkley.....
Is really gonna let him have it for his idiotic comments…….
I thought of this, too.
Chuck could not hear about it soon enough. Not much he can say though.
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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 23, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Do we really need to hear this
when we are trying to lure a player like Carmelo???
I mean seriously what does this have to do with anything?
How long have Clippers been irrelevant? Memphis?
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 23, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions
Nets, you have to wake up and realize that this is how many players
In the league view the Nets. Its just the way it is.
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
that is what scary
that this a super star saying this.
a player the Nets were rolling the red carpet out and basically is saying the heck with them.
I’m pretty sure if anyone is trying to tell Melo not to go the Nets it’s him.
He doesn’t say the Knicks or Clippers though.
He is saying teams that are currently struggling right now. Yet these are teams who were consistently in the playoffs back in early 2000’s
One thing for sure he wasn’t that impress about the Nets presentation
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 23, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think thats true at all
He was trying to think of teams that are sucking right now but have some good players.
We fit that category pretty well.
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Lets see what
1) the players association 2) the league and 3) Prokhorov has to say about this. I expect all three to comment.
He could be fined by the first two and skewered by the third.
I think that the League should do a "Full Cavity Search" ......
into tampering charges by Miami, Riley,LeLiar,Wade,Bosh…..Summons them to a Deposition……..
Stern
will make sure to sweep any tampering done under the rug
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Its about impression.
(And it shows how much he seriously did NOT consider the Nets, a lesson to those who think that the mention of the Nets in a conversation of a trade is a good thing.)
The Nets have a legacy of being a bad franchise, decades of it. Yes, they were in the playoffs and the finals, but how the league REALLY sees that run (not Net fans, but the league), is that the Nets were smart enough to bring in a top League guy, and he was smart enough to trade for some mercenaries of elite talent. But Carter nor Kidd is seen as “a” Net. The Nets were bad for a long time, they got in some high priced talent, and then went back to being bad. That’s what they see.
If the Nets had not fallen so low after their Championship run they would have had a chance to work on continuing to change their image (always having the problem of the Big Brother Knicks with “tradition”). But really, Lebron is just stating what seems OBVIOUS to him. He wasn’t being mean, just very inconsiderate.
by ________key on Dec 23, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with everything except the kidd part. The first thing people will remember is that he’s a triple double machine, wherever he ranks in all time assists, saving the nets franchise and then any significant moments/finals appearances he may make with dallas now.
It could be. But I think that Kidd's "league" impression will be that of
being with Dallas, Dallas to begin with when he showed so much promise and burst upon the scene, and now Dallas to end.
When he came to the Nets his skills were already diminished. He DID show how great he was, as he often wasn’t given enough credit as a generational point. But I think that he was largely seen as mercenary.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
His skills were diminished in 2002?
lol wut
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
they were
his knees, part of the reason he was dominate early was even though he couldn’t shoot with his athleticism he could get to the rim easily, he was no where near the athlete he had been by 2002.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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I agree he's still phenomenal
but that’s because he’s evolved his game to make up for diminishing physical skills. Remember when the dude couldn’t hit a 3 to save his life?
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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My point exactly forget about Lebron's comments
He can think what he wants rather it right or wrong, but its up to our organization to start making better decisions yeah we are on the right track with the Billionaire owner Brooklyn etc, but that guarantees nothing we need to start seeing tangible improvements on the court so people can stop viewing us in such a distasteful light.
I feel offended.
I know we’ve sucked for the past 2 years but this is just so damn disrespectful. We’ve been to the finals twice in the past decade, have won 2 ABA championships and we’ve had great players plays for us like DR.J , Jkidd, etc. If anything the heat should be removed because the Nets were one of the original teams while the heat were an EXPANSION team.
I have NEVER liked lebron, even before his move the Miami and the whole ESPN show in the summer, but this just elevated my hatred to a whole new level.
SCREW YOU LEBRON. HOW ABOUT YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SEE WHAT YOU DID TO CLEVELAND BEFORE OPENING YOUR DIRTY, IGNORANT AND DUMB MOUTH OK?
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by Claud on Dec 23, 2010 11:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 23, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
here you go
http://foodcourtlunch.com/?p=2861
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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 23, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
those lyrics are sick HAHAHA
someone should send it to Jay
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for a guy who hasnt won anything ....he certainly talks to much.....
by kupalski on Dec 23, 2010 11:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
dear lebron,
Nba might be better without the nets? The world would be better without arrogant,cocky,cowards like you. Get a life man win a ring you freakin loser…goes around actin like he’s all that wait was has he won? Exactly just as much as the nets have nothin!!
by cdr4prez on Dec 23, 2010 11:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
What Lebron fails to realize
Is that long term, Miami would be a better candidate for contraction. See if that fan base could survive a 4 or 5 year downturn for the team.
Although it does help for the misplanted NYers to see 2 Knicks games per season.
There's NO WAY the Nets franchise gets contracted.
Richest owner of ALL sports and moving to a state of the art /1 billion dollar facility in Brooklyn, NY.
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No question...
Lebron is childish for even commenting about it regardless of the teams mentioned.
what he meant to say was...
“Just imagine if you could take Kevin Love off Minnesota and add him to the Heat,” he said. "Or, looking at some of the teams that’s not that great, you take Brook Lopez or you take Devin Harris off these teams that’s not that good right now and add ’em to the Heat. That could be really good.
by Panchara Sathea on Dec 23, 2010 11:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
lol
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 23, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions
Maybe
the NBA would be better without teams like his.
sorry I can't delete it...
We need a “Delete post” choice on Netsdaily..
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HE WANTED EVERYONE ELSE TO FOLLOW HIS FOOTSTEPS IN JOINING ANOTHER SUPERSTARS AND MAKE ANOTHER SUPER FRIENDS...
you SUCK! LBJ= LOSER BLOW OOPPSSS..
He should have thought he must go to the Nets, then Nets would be good
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Wade and Marion/Shaq won 15 games one season
Harris and Lopez won 12 games one season.
wow i COMPLETELY forgot this happened
i thought “that can’t possibly be right” before wikipedia confirmed it true. Wade played 50 games that season too, amazing they were that bad 2 years removed from the finals.
by sheepareevil on Dec 24, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Amazing they are this good
2 years removed frm being the worst team in the league, isn’t it. Which one is more intresting?
i like where you're headed with this
JETS / falcons...METS / rays...NETS / lakers
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by YoungMoney24 on Dec 24, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
who cares what this pinhead says?
contraction may be a good thing but his argument doesn’t hold water. there’s a lot more people playing basketball at a pro level than there was before expansion. it’s gone global. the players need to focus more on basketball and less on endorsements. my biggest problem is with the part where lebron says “i’m not stupid.” a blatant lie
I doesnt matter what Lebron thinks...
What matters is that this is what the general opinion of the Nets is.
Whats the point of watching the Games Lebron?
If you take Harris and Lopez and put them on the Heat ?
Lebron, please stop smokin!
Lebron wants it the easy way , thats why he went to Miami, he wants the game to be all fun and games, where he can blow a team out such as the wolves or Nets rest the rd quarter and save his energy to go out clubing.
He is dreaming about
Lopez
Bosh
James
Wade
Harris
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In fact, we could have given LeBron
Lopez
Amare
LeBron
Morrow
Harris
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no way
having VC in the Meadowlands is one thing, but having Lebron a train ride away from Manhattan would definitely bring crowds.
by sheepareevil on Dec 24, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Not at all.
They could have Lebron, clones of young Micheal Jordan, Jerry West, Magic and Bill Russell, bigfoot, the cardif giant, the alien team from space jam and the incredible hulk and still not sell out.
I think it's better than the team he has now.
Lopez/Favors
Amare/Hump
James/D.James
Lee/Williams
Harris/Uzoh
They wouldn’t have money to sign any of the 4 scrubs they got.
I think this team is more balanced, but LeBron didn't know that...sigh.
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Boy...
If LeBron says this is what people who aren’t stupid are thinking…
Let’s hope Melo’s dumb as rocks!
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Dec 24, 2010 12:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This guy is my least favorite player in the league
Once again. HE IS NOT A ROLE MODEL…
he is a such a loser. I am going to be LMAO when either the magic, celtics, or lakers send the miami heat home crying in may or june. then he will walk off the court, not shake anyones hand(only men do that) then we can all sit back kick up our feet and have a great laugh.
Mark it on your calendars. First week in april. heat come to town. We need to sell this place out and rip him. I sit about 4 feet from him and will be doing my part tearing him a new one as i did last time. whose down??
The best thing of of course would be to trade for paul and melo. then we can play them in the first round and SMOKE THEM in the upset. Then we will see who he thinks should contract.
Merry Christmas Everyone!!
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by Mike Viola on Dec 24, 2010 1:08 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I agreed with you until the part about us making the playoffs
by sheepareevil on Dec 24, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
melo and paul?
i have been very good all year. santa wont cheap me out
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but of course if w do not get them
my first two are good
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i guess u should
take the cavs out of the league too, since they are a garbage team without lebron
I’ve said it before, it’s kind of an evolutionary thing. The teams that have the players or the better cities are the places where the talent will want to go. As nets fans, we should know the harsh reality. Nobody wants to play in jersey yet brooklyn seems like such a desirable place to be. Jason Kidd didn’t even want to play here when he was traded to us. Thank god he kept his head up and allowed us to make a run.
Anyway, with that being said, Lebron you are still a complete idiot. You were the number 1 pick. If there were no cavaliers, or no bad teams to draft you first, you wouldn’t get any playing time to put on 30-40 mins a night. You developed into a star because you were drafted by a BAD TEAM that needed to give you your minutes and shots. Had there been only a handful of teams with a bunch of superstars in the league, the nba’s process of developing stars would take a HUGE step back and guys like you probably wouldn’t even have the opportunity to be what you are. Dwade, your buddy, he was a stud defender, if there wasn’t a bad miami team to draft him and get him his shots and develop an offensive game, he wouldn’t be a star today and would probably be a defensive specialist on another superstar ridden team.
by Rass on Dec 24, 2010 2:06 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
In fact, EVEN IF this league is only with Lakers Magic Celtics and Heat.
There is always a bad team in the bottom.
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lol yeah exactly. therefore, had lebron been drafted by the 4th place heat with already established superstars…he wouldn’t be this arrogant piece of garbage but instead, a humbled rookie fighting for minutes. Would he be a star eventually? Who knows. His potential would take a huge hit that’s for sure.
Carmelo Anthony is so much more skilled than Lebron James.
Lebron James is just very athletic, one big injury, he’s done!!! He relies too much on speed, size, and leaping ability. One serious injury in the knee or ankle will bring him down crashing back to earth for GOOD!
These are the top 3 when it comes to one on one: (skills win one-on-one)
1. Kobe
2. Melo
3. Wade
Nobody will feel sorry for him when it happens. To all those investing too much on his jerseys are making a big mistake.
After his career is over, the value will drop faster than the stock market.
Somebody should remind that punk
that Miami was dead last three years ago winning only 16 or so games. While Nets went to back to back finals few years ago and Mini went to Western conference finals with KG, Heat was sitting in the bottom of the standings so lets eliminate Heat and absorb those players to other teams. NY can afford to have two teams.
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lol no no no
Kobe
Wade
LeBron
Durant
Dwight
Melo
DWill
CP3
Gasol
are all better
JETS / falcons...METS / rays...NETS / lakers
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by YoungMoney24 on Dec 24, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Hell no man.
Don’t hate.
Lebron, Kobe, Wade/Durant. And I’m talking about who the better player is now. Not about rings or stuff like that.
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by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 24, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Ummm
and this is why JORDAN > LEBRON…wow, doesn’t Maverick Carter teach this fool what to say to the press? Can’t wait till he loses to the Celtics in the playoffs
The Nets are a joke
Both their team and their organization.
This is the league’s biggest superstar dising the Nets big time. And people think superstars are dying to come to this team. Wake up.
The Nets are on of the biggest, if not the biggest laughing stock in the NBA.
by Andres B on Dec 24, 2010 6:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
No presents under the tree yet Andres B?
We are in the middle of going from bottom of the league (franchise, location, etc.) to the top end (Brooklyn, new arena, top owner, quality support and coaching staff, best facilities, etc.). It will continue to be ugly and uneven as we make the transition but I have no doubt we will make the transition……and then superstars will be dying to come to this team.
Actually Lebron
You seem pretty stupid after the way you hurt your image over the summer. What really qualifies Lebron to say whats good for the league. Just saying this crap to cause controversy or cause a bad boy image or something. I mean its obvious after the Miami fiasco and the ruination of some competitive play in the east he has no idea and could care less about whats good for the league. I’m not gonna jump all over one comment but jeez could this guy get a clue.
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Dump on Lebron!
I didn’t dump on Lebron for what he did this past summer, because I didn’t really have any skin in the game, but now I do. The NETS are MY TEAM, how dare this self centered jerk suggest dumping my team. Lebron is the worst, most talented player in history. He is bad for any team he plays on. THE HEAT didn’t start to really win, until DWADE took over. I now HATE LEBRON. That’s MY DECISION!
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by PaulErstein on Dec 24, 2010 6:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Does this guy ever think before says anything.
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"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall"
"Love is lovelier...the second time around
Just as wonderful...with both feet on the ground"
by aunt-B on Dec 24, 2010 7:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
humility is coming for him
it may not happen tomorrow, but there isn’t a man alive that cannot be knocked off of his high horse.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Goes to show you what players think of the nets
It may be “all new”, but not to nba players. Not until we start winning. The nets are still seen as the dregs of the league
by muwu on Dec 24, 2010 7:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
True
But there are other teams that fair no better. Clippers?! We are making changes and should have a asterisk.
by Zartan on Dec 24, 2010 7:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Clipps are the most entertaining team in the league though.
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by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 24, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ignorant, classless, disrespectful, naive
Four reasons why he’ll NEVER be considered a great.
I never thought I could have less respect for the guy after that ESPN special debacle, but it turns out I could. Now.
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He's already great.
Widely considered a top 30 player EVER currently.
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by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 24, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
"Lego my Ego"
“Take a look at me now and take a taste of the money
I’m not in it for the bread I’m in it for the gravy, honey
Inflate my ego gently, tell them heaven sent me
Oh ‘cause I’m so expressive and I’m so obsessed with my ego
My ego and it’s message
Oh inform the press, invite the guests
I need the press tonight”…
This lyric is in honor of M I K E the original NetsDaily trubador
"Love is lovelier...the second time around
Just as wonderful...with both feet on the ground"
me and my eego!!!-Beyonce featuring Kanye West
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB9W179Sz3M
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Hope it hasn't been said
Didn’t read all the post . Maybe we should dump most of the teams keep the Lakers , Celtics , Spurs, Heat , Mavs and maybe Magic. Then we put any stars on the various teams and watch them battle it out.
This guy has some real republican thoughts. I can’t figure for the life if me where it comes from. I’ve was upset with him for the DECISION fiasco but I had respect for him, he’s losing it if not.
by Zartan on Dec 24, 2010 7:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I actually agree with LeBron's premise
There probably aren’t 150 starting caliber players in the league, and there’s an increasingly large divide line between the haves and the have nots. Some teams lack talent or have very little of it, and watching that take on top tier teams most of the time is just brutal watching.
Now, of course I don’t want the Nets contracted, because they are my team. And with a wealthy owner, a sparkling new arena in the biggest city in the country, and some history over the past decade and going back to the ABA, I don’t think the Nets would be a candidate to be contracted. But if they want to contract teams like Milwaukee, Memphis, New Orleans (who would probably be the first to go since they are owned by the league), and Minnesota, and run a 26 man league? I would agree with that.
I think your wrong
Stern needs to stop selling players and promote teams. The refs still don’t call fare games. The no touch rules don’t let players play hard at both ends.
Stern is trying to keep the league hip, it’s 25+ adults going and taking their children to games. When the politics stop all around, the game will show it true face.
This all goes back to those teams with an injured Shaq, which should be total trash without him, always made playoffs.
by Zartan on Dec 24, 2010 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this
stern’s star rules and removal of hand checking are what made this possible. he’s reaping what he sowed.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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And the soft cap
Allowing the top teams to outspend creates a vicious cycle where they get on TV, win more, make more, spend more on top players.
But none of that would not be made better with higher talent on all the teams.
I would love this league with 3 or 4 fewer teams (that many).
With more talent on every team, coaching would become all the more important. As would style of play.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
oh I agree contraction should happen
though I disagree with 3-4 less teams it wouldn’t happen, I just think there’d be less players designated “stars” in terms of star rules.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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I completely agree that there would never be a 3-4 team contraction unless the league was on the verge of folding, and contraction won’t happen this time, despite Stern waving that threat.
As for the star system, part of it IS human nature, and the way that special players are marketed. Obviously the league intentionally emphasizes certainly players, but also once a gifted player becomes great suddenly he gets the benefit. Ted Williams’ eye probably got him a lot of favorable ball/strike calls too.
And star rules worked pretty good when we had Carter and Kidd. Of course you need real stars in order to enjoy the star rules.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but in the grand scheme the effect of "star" rules in baseball
don’t have nearly the effect/power over the league and individual games that they do in nba. Especially because stars in the NBA often get designated so by media and not their on court play.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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I'm curious - but not disagreeing
What “stars” do you feel are media stars that don’t deserve it with their on-court play right now?
He's called a "star" in the media, but I don't see him getting all kinds of star
calls on the court really.
ehhh
wait til the playoffs when the Heat are down 10 in the 4th and down 3-2 in the series to Boston and O’Neal/Big Baby/Perkins start getting phantom fouls called on them.
by sheepareevil on Dec 24, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
So you are saying that he WILL get star treatment in the future. You are predicting it?
That really doesn’t count.
I’ve seen Big Baby get some favorable calls he wouldn’t get if he played on the Wolves. Being on a “star” team also favors you.
how about
the game needs to be called even and down the middle instead of favoring certain players
there is nothing that can justify the NBA’s bogus officiating. Not one damn thing
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
There is an "art" to the game, and part of that art
is knowing how to work the officials, present the illusion of fouls.
I’m sure you didn’t mind all the bogus calls that favored Jason Kidd, a maestro of creating contact and being strong enough to impose himself.
it's one thing to fool the refs by exagerrating contact, manipulating an angle, flopping etc.
personally I think doing these kinds of things are somewhat dangerous to the game as well (IMO an obvious, blatant flop should be called a foul against the flopper like in soccer), but when both teams are playing the game the same way and one team gets preferential treatment because of their star player or team (in the Laker’s case against Sacramento), then it’s really not fair.
by sheepareevil on Dec 24, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
From my experience:
Brandon Jennings
Joe Johnson
Gilbert Arenas
Separate category of stars who get countless phantom calls:
Kevin Durant
Paul Pierce
Dwayne Wade
Amare Stoudemire
Dirk Nowitzki
Russell Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
The Token Black-Jew
That is a good one. He was kinda anoited.
But he also creates all kinds of odd contact with his freakish ability to contort and finish.
Part of getting calls is knowing how to create contact, be physically strong enough to absorb it and not look like you created it, and then finish.
Tony Parker is excellent at this.
Brandon Jennings? He wasn’t anointed a star in the league. He came into the league as a nobody that the Knicks passed up and just started putting up numbers. He definitely is someone who performed his way to his status.
Joe Johnson and Arenas?
I guess I don’t see it.
I’m on your side, I was just trying to name players who could fit the description which Gina gave. I don’t think there are too many “media stars” who are anointed as such without deserving it based off on-court performance.
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I don't mean media as in news I mean more
usually a teams best player, regardless of how good they are relative, will get star calls depending on who they’re playing. Harris gets them with us, a guy like Danny Granger gets them a lot with Indiana, though I guess now he is a “star”. What I mean is more guys who aren’t really stars in name but get the calls because they’re scorers.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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I gotta be honest, I think Brook(e) Lopez gets a lot of calls that he doesn’t deserve.
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I agree that's kind of my point
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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This has a name, and its called the NCAA
And honestly I don’t think the NBA would be better if it was like college basketball.
The “star” treatment isn’t the problem (it creates narrative), its the SUPER star treatment, where you can’t lay a finger on a super star without a whistle. And there are very few players in the league like that.
I guess that is what I mean by star treatment
not the everyday scorer creating contact kinds of fouls, but the all-ball, no physical contact at all kinds of fouls certain golden boys of the NBA receive on a regular basis.
by sheepareevil on Dec 24, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
excellent post zartan
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
this
and put an end to biased officiating.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hey...the last time a super star dissed NJ...
…was when Wayne Gretzsky called the Devils a Mickey Mouse organization. How many Stanley cups did NJ get after that? So screw Lebron. He’s afraid a team like NJ or Minnie might win a ring before he ever does.
by Versifiervt on Dec 24, 2010 8:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The "league" would be better?
the “League”? Who’s that?
Would the quality of play be better with 28 teams? Maybe. Would it be better with 10 teams? Of course, but does dropping the 30 worst players in the league significantly improve the level of play. Would the Nets be a better team if they dumped its worst player? That’s the analogy.
Would the “league” as a financial entity be better if two entire fanbases were eliminated? The league is currently on a record pace for national TV audience. It’s up 23% so far this year. Eliminate two fan bases and does that number stay as high? Prove it. The league has done an excellent job in dumping large markets for smaller ones, and abandoning whole regions.
Back in the early 1980’s with a smaller league, the FINALS were on tape delay, even with Magic and Larry Bird. Was the “league” better with two or three superteams winning every other year? Is that what fans in the other cities want?
The league's television viewing is up 23% BECAUSE of the Heat trio
Along with the Knicks being relevant again. You can’t get me to believe otherwise.
the only way to answer is through
Our game, he insulted the players the coaching staff the organization, the nets fans same with the wolves.
It is time we play as a unit take advantage of our strong points and cover our weakness and stick it to the rest of the league.
Fans need to show up at games more ina positive manner
I would like nothing more than to see him ring less and us lifting the cup
by SunilP on Dec 24, 2010 9:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I haven’t read through the thread and I hate to say it, but LeBron is right. The NBA is in need of contraction, now I wouldn’t pick the Nets as one of the teams to axe, but I would have two years ago. Before Prokhorov bought the team it was bleeding money (well it still is and most likely will be until it gets situated in Brooklyn) and didn’t really seem to have a sense of direction. I think the NBA should cut four teams and as I said if you had asked me to pick those teams (objectively) one of them would have been the Nets. With new ownership and Barclays Center looming in the near future I think this team has a great future ahead of it, but two years ago it had none.
For those taking this personally — come on. Really? LeBron didn’t mean any harm by it, it doesn’t mean that he thinks the Nets are a bad organization, it just means that he thinks the Nets are a bad team on the court. I personally disagree with him in that aspect, I don’t the Nets are a particularly bad team, I think they’re average to below-average, but I very possibly could be wrong.
I still don’t understand these so-called “fans” who actually believe that they’re affiliated with the franchise. As if, someone takes a swipe at the team and they should be offended, you’re not part of the team — you know that, don’t take it personally.
I think KV hit the nail on the head; the only thing that Nets fans should take away from this is that the league still has a comical impression of the Nets as a franchise and LeBron was never close to coming here. That’s it — you shouldn’t be sending LeBron hate mail, you shouldn’t be angry, you shouldn’t feel the need to call him a “jerk” or “arrogant”, he is what he is. This is bad news for the Nets and it shows that they have a long way to go to improve the perception of them around the league.
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Um fans should be offended because the fans make the team if the Nets had no fans they wouldn't be playing games
and if tue league took away the nets then the fans will be upset. Also do you really believe he just said the Neta because we are a Bad team now? And he doesn’t think we a re a bad organization? If the Laker stunk this year he wouldn’t of said lakers. This guy is a jerk and nothing less the NBA is doing fine as long as NY, Boston and LA Do well. Like NI said the NBA is doing great this year. Lebron is a ( insert nasty word here) and just wants the league to do what he did so it can be the norm so the heat can be off his back. Btw what 4 teams would you eliminate?
If that’s how you feel — fine. There’s nothing I can say to change your mind because you’re coming at this from an emotional standpoint as opposed to an objective one.
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It's not about being emotional
Not here crying. Bur I thinks it’s a fact already that the guys a jerk so I’m notgoing to give him the benefit of the doubt
Let me rephrase this statement: the league would be better without OWNERS like BRUCE RATNER.
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Good point....
Are 30 teams to many or is it an issue of not having 30 quality owners committed to putting a quality product on the floor year in and year out?
I'm not even mad
This guy is literally so ridiculously stupid I’m surprised he doesn’t start every sentence like a 1980’s Cowboys player, “Lebron James thinks…”
It’s hilarious.
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oh no
the NBA would certainly disband the Nets.
—They would abandon the largest market in the world.
—They would turn away their first international owner.
—They would tell the richest owner in sports he’s not needed.
—They would put the world’s most expensive arena in mothballs, the one two subway stops from Wall Street.
Yup. On its face, it is ridiculous. It’s LeBron, in his insecurity, once again trying to justify his decision.
exactly
absolutely moronic. This guy has the worst PR/handlers in the sport with the way that he runs his mouth, everytime he opens his mouth a gallon of ass water pours out from within.
say what you want about Melo but at least the kid knows what to say and what not to say in public.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
exactly exactly
Lebron justifying his “decision”.
What is the over under on days until a deep on the bench player pissed that Lebron is suggesting, in front of a critical CBA negotiation, in the middle of a historic economic downturn, with the Hornets already owned by they league, that contraction is good, that his services are not needed, that he needs to get is resume in at Dicks……..sends Lebron deep into the stands in mid-windmill form?
I would advocate it
some people just need to get punched in the mouth
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
So Lebron says the league doesn’t have enough talent to support 30 teams
So he decided to join Wade and Bosh in Miami. Can he be anymore contradicting?
STupid!
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Trade
We should trade Lopez and Harris to the Lakers with an agreement they will trade them back after they beat LeBron in Finals.
I think it has long been established that Lebron is a maroon...
but it should be mentioned also that the RAT really went to great lengths to destroy this franchise’s reputation around the league..
I’m not mad because he’s right about contraction, I just wish he didn’t mention my favorite team.
It’s interesting, I guess the twelve win season overshadows all those times we went to the ECF. The nets under ratner really became a joke around the league.
I don’t consider lebron an idiot or anything (then again he is at least uneducated and at best almost completely protected from reality by yes men) but he does know his basketball. Sorry for not jumping on the hate bandwagon
by SadNetsFan on Dec 24, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Here's my two cents before I reply to other comments
….Lebron is somewhat right.
Now I’m not saying he’s right in “contract the Nets”. Hell no.
I have said that the NBA made a huge mistake when they created the Grizzlies and the Raptors. There are too many teams in the NBA and too many players getting significant roles when they should be on the bench or the D-League. Adding the Bobcats did not help the matter.
Case in point, Net Income made a dead on comment: The Nets have very nice roleplayers, the problem is that we are forced to START them.
That said though, Lebron’s mother clearly never taught this kid how to be tactful. When I first read the headline my blood began to boil. The Nets would be the last team to ever get contracted. Lebron’s an idiot, his mother has questionable morals, and his father’s a pedophile.
But this is also alarming because it’s not a good sign for the small market teamsA(we are not a small market team), you have to wonder how many other star players have this belief. We already see a trend of the best players wanting to join up on teams that already have everything in place for them, that are in big market. We just have to hope that the next wave of elite players, which are due to come along in the next few years with the James/Wade/Anthony class of elite players starting to hit the end stage of their 20’s, will be more like Kevin Durant.
But contract the Nets? a team in the New York/New Jersey market? a team that is moving to BK and is owned by like the 2nd richest man in the NBA? Yeah alright dude. Lucky I can’t cuss on here
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I dunno
Portland’s owner? I’m sure Net Income will bless us with the info
I just assumed that someone in the NBA was richer
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
one more time
Even at the lower estimate (Forbes rather than Finans, the Russian financial magazine), Mikhail Prokhorov is the richest owner in all of sports. Last week, Forbes wrote that Prokhorov is the richest owner by $700 million over Paul Allen, who previously was the richest owner in sports. He owns the Seahawks and the Blazers. Prokhorov is worth three times what Micky Ariston, owner of the Heat is worth, even at the lower estimate.
At the higher estimate, Prokhorov is $4.5 billion richer than Allen. Allen’s wealth has taken a hit recently, being concentrated in software and the media. Prokhorov’s wealth is concentrated in metals, particularly gold, which is at an all time high.
thank you sir
so yeah, for this bag of hot air to say that The Nets, a team owned by the richest owner in sports who is trying to turn things around, should be contracted is stupid
The fact that he came out and supported a position that is not supported by his fellow players shows how far gone this guy is. I wouldn’t shed a tear if James landed wrong tomorrow night.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Contraction
Lets say the NBA needs contraction the Nets would be further down the list
New Orleans
Charlotte
Sacramento
Memphis
Minnesota
The real solution to the NBA s money problem could be length of schedule. 60 games is enough if the first round of the playoffs is a best of 7. Its easier and cheaper to sit at home and watch games
im fine with the length of the regular season
but the first round being 7 games is a joke. usually only 1 or 2 of these series tops is worth watching. it should go back to 5 (making upsets more likely), and I would say even the 2nd round should be best of 5 as well.
by sheepareevil on Dec 24, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I know who I'll be rooting for tomorrow
I hope Kobe goes out there and destroys the Heat.
I knew this kid was scum ever since he refused to support his teammate back in CLE in drawing attention to the situation in Darfur.
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Why are you being emotional about this DB? I thought you would be one of the rational ones.
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I said that I agree with Lebron on the idea that
…..there are too many teams. I have been saying that for almost 10 years, when I see the Raptors and Grizz i always think that those teams should have never been created because the talent pool was watered down when they did that, even Barkley has said the same thing
I just don’t like him implying that the Nets should be contracted. I made a joke about it the other day but this guy is dead serious. He’s a tactless d-bomb, I’m not going to be happy to hear a player of his stature come out and say something like this about my team.
What is irrational about what I have said?
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Not so much irrational, but emotional. It wasn’t a vindictive act by LeBron it just displays his ignorance, he obviously doesn’t understand the direction which the Nets are headed and he obviously doesn’t know much about Prokhorov.
He didn’t mean anything by it, he was just naming a couple teams which he thought were near the bottom of the league in terms of talent. It just seems like you’re taking it personal.
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the knciks were at the bottom of the league not too long ago, the cavs, the celtics, orlando, memphis, denver
Should they have been contracted back then?
I'm supposed to be indifferent?
I’m a Nets fan, we can all pretend that we don’t emotionally invest a bit of ourselves into this team but that’s false. So obviously, if someone has a negative remark about the team, I’m going to take offense. Just because we’re at the bottom now after making two finals in a decade means that we should be contracted? Should the Cavs be contracted? Should the Heat have been contracted since they were complete trash after their finals run? Come on
I think maybe you’re just reading too much into my comments. I’m mad that he said that about us but whatever, he’s an idiot.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see my post up above? I mean that’s how I feel, maybe I’m not emotional ENOUGH. I don’t know I was never into the “we” and “us” business when talking about a team I root for.
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I feel you
but hey, if you’re a fan of a team, it’s “we” and “us”. It’s just how sports fans are. Nothing wrong with it imo. Sports are a wonderful distraction from the rigors and annoyances of reality.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Its not how ALL sports fans are.
In politics it CAN be “we” and “us” hating the enemy (be they Democrats or Russians or terrorists), and the same with sports.
But you can be a serious, very involved fan that really pulls for your side, and STILL not take every event personally, hating the other side as much (if not more) than you love your side.
It doesn’t have to be side-ism. I can be, but doesn’t have to be.
by ________key on Dec 24, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
okay
pat yourselves on the back for not getting “emotional”. Hold your nose up a bit higher dude.
If I rooted for the Lakers, I probably wouldn’t care if Lebron said that the Nets should be contracted either.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
it's kind of like if it an 6 year old calls you fat are you going to go
off in a rage at him? or think he’s 6 his brain isn’t fully formed he has no idea what he’s saying.
Lebron’s brain isn’t fully formed.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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I guess
this means Proky and Jay-Z didn’t exactly give a “front runner” strong presentation to Lebron over the summer?
That said, Lebron is an idiot for coming out and saying what he said. Keep it to yourself.
Exactly, plus he's basing it on the teams who are losing
If we based it on losing, the Knicks and the Clippers should’ve been eliminated from the league for being ultimately some of the worst losing organizations in all of professional sports for over a decade.
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exactly
or the Miami Heat, how many games did they win prior to James and Bosh coming over?
How about the Cavs? The Celtics were in the toilet for YEARS. Should they, an iconic NBA Franchise, have been contracted?
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
who fault is that
we were ready to be one of those teams to spoil him. Whatever he wanted and whoever he wanted. Just to see him wear a Nets jersey. Infact we didn’t make a move until he was not obtainable.
So we are one of the teams who are willing and ready to spoil these players. Look at the Melo situation. Melo is un willing to come to the team as it is so we are willing to take on more players because of Melo.
Now on to what was said. This shows me two things.
One this is how the majority of NBA star players think or look at the Nets. They are looking at wins and losses. Despite the Nets making the playoffs in 2007 (ironically Lebron team took us out) we have been mediocre and one of the worst teams in the league.
So I can see his point from that stand point but from a financial stand point the Nets have a lot of upside.
This lets me know that he was not impress with the Nets presentation and as I said before the relationship with him and Shawn is very exaggerated.
I don’t know if this hurts or chances for drawing in players like Melo but I know it doesn’t help.
Especially when Lebron people represent Melo.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 24, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
there were several reasons behind the Nets "fall from grace"
you can start with Bruce Ratner, a real estate developer that probably has never touched a basketball in his life.
also the fact that this rebuilding effort was probably started a bit too late. In hindsight it shouldn’t have taken Kidd to conduct himself like an idiot for the rebuilding to start.
it is what it is. Things happen for a reason, and now we have an owner that is willing to spend money and has stated several times that he wants this team to become an elite franchise. How he gets us there may be rough but as long as I see some effort and honesty screw it
The problem is that people expect this to happen in 24 hrs or else the sky is falling.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
let's face it
ratner caused all of this.
it sucks when you have an owner who a) knows & cares nothing about the sport or about winning and b) sole motivation is to cut costs as much as possible.
we should feel lucky that this proky thing happened or we’d be in big trouble
imagine something extremely witty here
This is exactly why over the past few years I have strictly a Nets fan. Not a NBA fan.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
why even bother
This is another sign of immaturity, true NBA players and professionals wouldn’t say such things like this.
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by Dre Day41 on Dec 24, 2010 11:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
LeBron James really is dumb
He thinks Devin Harris is a good player? HAHAHAHAHA
by GrandKenyon6 on Dec 24, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was clutch. Rec’d
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
It's just a shame, even though All the people around the world disses the New Jersey Nets
Their fans still think mocking at their players would make them better.
Don’t think Harris is not good, but you all don’t forget Lopez sucks, too, he is not Tim Duncan.
Favors sucks, he is another Thabeet or Swift.
Nets are also a bad brand around the world.
Are you all fans happier?
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it was a joke dude
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
you know
like “Chair”? “OutLOL”? “Slopez”?
We make fun of our guys all of the time. Some folks are more malicious than others
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
The one who thinks Kenyon is grand is also bad.
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David Stern should fine him for this
the dude in the CBS article makes a good point as well
Getting past the question of whether or not he’s flirting with tampering with Kevin Love, Brook Lopez, and Devin Harris
When James says he wants to contract teams that are “not that great” he’s basically playing on what’s going on at this very moment. For example, if Glen Taylor were to either sell the Timberwolves, or move David Kahn for a GM with a more competent plan outside of “Boy, I hope Ricky Rubio is awesome” then Kevin Love may not be wasted at all in Minnesota in a year. When the Nets move to Brooklyn and can attract free agents with a new arena in the Burroughs, things are likely to turn around. What then? Do we then contract whoever’s bad that point? If the Suns tank after Steve Nash retires, do we eliminate the Suns? What if the Blazers sink to the bottom as their injury history mounts to a breaking point?
There are legitimate economic reasons to contract, including the viability of the league in markets which may not be big enough to support it. But simply in an attempt to create more great teams? We’ll simply be making elite teams more elite, perpetuating the problem.
Here’s a better idea. With the most obnoxious free agency ever perpetrated by their three stars, followed by the most disappointing two months of basketball in NBA history and the team clearly a step behind the Celtics in pursuit of a championship, why don’t we talk about sending those star players elsewhere? Why don’t we talk about contracting the Heat. Maybe then James will give pause before he starts trying to advance his reign through the elimination of entire fanbases.
If you can’t comprehend why people are upset over this, I dunno what to tell you.
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I understand why they’re upset, but what LeBron says is true. The NBA is facing a serious economic issue with the decrease in attendance and the lack of parity in what was already regarded as a “parityless” league.
It just shows that LeBron has no idea what he’s talking about when he uses the Nets as an example and it also shows how oblivious he is to the ramifications of things he says. It’s funny because he’s too oblivious to even play up the “bad guy” role, he doesn’t even know what gets people upset.
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Yeah I agree was really dumb thing to say he put himself in that corner will never get out
But as a fan its time for this tram to turn things around start getting tangible change on the court with W’s, kind of makes me angry people feel that way about our team to mention us with the Timberwolves, like Gina said were in the friend zone in a way to some players we need to change that.
I agree: he should be fined
If David Stern has any cajones, he’d start to put LeBron in his place and FINE HIM. This kind of talk is as bad for the image of the NBA as Ron Artest jumping into the crowd to go after a guy who threw a beer at him. There may have been a time when LBJ was a good role model, but it’s certainly not true anymore. The best David Stern can do is to get these guys to wear suits?!
Stern is a joke
you’re right, if he had any balls, or cared about the image of his fixed league, he’d fine James as bad as he did Jeff Van Gundy for implying that Yao was being officiated differently from other players.
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by MrDollarBills on Dec 24, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
i couldn't be happier
i thought he could save this franchise 6 months ago. now i don’t want him anywhere near us. this guy will never understand that when he says things, he’s not just a man speaking. he’s a professional athlete being paid millions of dollars to represent a city, a team, but also the league as a whole and the players who are not rewarded with so much public exposure.
he has already alienated a lot of his fan-base across the country, i guess its time for him to piss off the rest of his fellow players and competitors.
I disagree with Lebron. The problem is that these stars are dictating where they go or who they get drafted to. I think years ago, you had the star players dispersed around the league. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Barkley etc never played on the same team. Now you have star players giving lists of who they can be traded to. Who’s on that list? good teams with other star players. Then you have guys like Kobe refusing to get drafted by teams like the Nets and demanding to go to the Lakers…where they already have star players. Lebron is complaing that there’s only 3 or 4 teams people want in the marquee matchup on Christmas day but if you dispersed Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Ray Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Kobe, Gasol to different teams, you will have a lot more matchups to choose from.
as part of the new CBA, i want to see no trade clauses go away. THAT will help the league.
Who cares about Lechicken?
This is the self proclaimed King who has won nothing since he has been in the NBA. Jumped ship because he wasnt capable of carrying a team, an organization.
Did a one hour special to tell people where he was signing.
Now says the league should contract teams (Which I agree with) and then who (dumb).
Naming the Nets knowing they are moving to Brooklyn and being owned by the richest owner in sports shows how ignorant he is. Either he has another motive or he doesnt have a clue.
lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF8w3zN0xiA&feature=player_embedded
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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More...
More star teams = Easier for Lebron to justify running to become Wade’s sidekick.
It's plain and simple Nets need to start wining games.
If the Nets can’t aquire a Carmelo Anthony they need to aquire players who would come in and change the dynamic of the team.
Lets face it no All Star is coming here through free agency, unless the Nets suverely overpay.
They need to make trades.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3xq2euc
Wow Hamilton and Prince know how to win Without a Superstar on there team.
Lopez/Petro
Favors/Hump
Prince/James
Hamilton/Vujacic
Harris/Farmar
Lopez( Starter for any team in this league)
Favors (Huge upside, thats all I can say right now for this guy)
Prince (Experience Starter at the Championship level)
Hamilton (Experience Starter at the Championship level)
Harris (Experience as Starter at the Chamipionship level)
Petro (Experience as backup Center in Western Confernece Championship )
Hump (Great Energy guy, Like a Louis Almundson Championship Level Backup)
James(Energy guy with some upside, like Jared Dudley Championship Level Backup)
Vujacic (Great Energy guy Experience as Backup at the Championship Level)
Farmar (Great Energy guy Experience as Backup at the Championship Level)
no winning no respection, that's simple and easy.
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i would do that trade in a heartbeat…detriot wont though
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This is all I can say
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25orw3q
Aging players with 3 years left on their contracts what can you ask for.
If the Nets throw in some PICKS it could look appealing for the Pistons.
Your'e probablt right Detriot is not going to add payroll
without finding a new owner, how about this one.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2comsn8
I Picked Hamilton, because he is being mentioned alot in trade rumors and he will be a good fit Next to Harris, because he doesn’t stand still, he is more like Ray Allen (always moving). Nets are stuck with Outlaw unless he is traded with Harris or Lopez.
Lopez/Petro
Favors/Hump/Wilcox
Outlaw/James
Hamilton/Vujacic/Graham
Harris/Farmar
Trade Breakdown:
Pistons cut payroll, long term, get a young player in Morrow and get a big man (last in league in rebounding).
Nets get a former All Star who has some left in the tank and has Championship expierence.
Onlt if Outlaw played like Prince SIGH.
Basically kind of what Gina said before where in the friend zone
We need to start getting things in gear and loose this stigma, I’m fine with talking about the future but we need to fully put the Ratner era behind us and become viable again in peoples eyes. Lebron can think what he wants to think he can’t force any team out the league, but its up to our Franchise to start winning games put a good product on the court and get some fans to come back to the games and start watching on TV again.
it's a long way back from 12-70
you have to understand that…and that the team is moving…etc.
You don’t turn a franchise around, particularly one that has been as awful as this one…historically.
It’s a lot easier to convince KG to join a 15 win team that already had Paul Pierce, just traded for Ray Allen and had 16 banners hanging in a relatively new arena.
LeBron's comment only hurts
the turnaround has begun with the extraordinary expenditure of money on the team, on the arena, etc. It’s the attitude that needs adjustment and this only makes the prospect of a new name all the more likely.
Maybe he wants to play SF in Brooklyn-he could opt out after his third year.
He can’t if Melo is here.
the team history
has two eras to be proud of: the mid-70 and the early-2000’s. There were some good teams and some very good players, but basically it has two championship level eras. Ratner didn’t make the Nets the “Clippers East”. He returned them to that status, with some help from the Brooklyn critics.
another really good, historically accurate point.
Unfortunately though, while the Nets were doing their damage in the ABA, the Knicks were in their heyday, or just coming off it, in the better league. So it never quite had the effect it could have.
i think you're underestimating/oversimplifying
the amount of carnage and havoc ratner wreaked upon the nets.
it takes a long time to rebuild a bad team. i have to say early-thorn did a great job through the draft and trades to not only bring the nets to 2 finals, but give the team a good future moving forward. with one fail swoop, ratner came in and completely dismantled that future for his real estate dream. it was particularly bad for us becuase it erased the positive perception we were starting to garner and reminded everyone of the ‘bad’ nets.
we were on a major uptick, and bruce set us back almost a decade in wins/losses & perception
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how did he dismantle the future with his real estate dream?
what future did he even dismantle? The team was sold to him in the first place because they were losing money, Ratner didn’t cause that and really I don’t see why there’s much reason to believe some other owner would have magically turned is into a money making entity if back to back finals appearances couldn’t do it. If anything he kind of indirectly led to us having a legitimate future with Prokhy because of his real estate dreams. If you’re talkng about dismantling the RJ-Kidd-VC teams, frankly costs or no costs those teams weren’t going anywhere anyway.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
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well as a sports fan
i would have liked to have seen a new owner/group come in that actually cared about winning.
if you’re saying we didn’t get a bad draw with ratner, i don’t really know what to say.
imagine something extremely witty here
im saying no owner or group was going to care about winning
if it meant constant losses, we would have just been sold again. That’s the point, can you really name an owner who’s turning huge losses willingly in pro sports without the expectations of future profits that will make up for them in the future?
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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and still fans did not support the Nets in Jersey
for all the blame placed on Ratner, his persistence in moving the team to Brooklyn may lead to the organization’s greatest era.
Just when I thought
that I couldn’t hate Lebron anymore…
He goes forward and says something even more dumb than:
“I’m bring my talents to South Beach”
My second favorite team is ANY team that beats Miami
So I will watch the game tomorrow and cheer for Kobe – my least favorite player until this year (because of his personality, not his skills, of course).
Sadly, I find myself wishing that every team in the league would designate someone to commit a flagrant 2 on LeBron in every single game.
Looking at Bronbron's picture..
He looks like he is sticking out his tongue out because he is disgusted at the taste of foot! Mmmmmm mm mm crusty rubbery with a hint of cinnamon! He should’ve poured some HOT SAUCE before chowing down!
He looks like he is sticking out his tongue out because he is disgusted at the taste of foot
/Insert clever Rex Ryan joke
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Nets are consistently LeBron's choice of example for a bad team
"If it’s against the Lakers or the Suns or the Nets or whoever the case may be, you don’t want to take a step backwards," James said. "You definitely want to play some of your best ball against the best teams…
Marc Spears BREAKING story regarding King's quest for Melo.
http://www.fanfeedr.com/nba/2010/12/24/nets-hope-to-also-land-miller-in-melo-deal
Apparently King is dealing with Portland to get Andre Miller, who was a teammate of Melo and who King liked in Phila.
Miller makes more sense than Billups, but losing Harris should get more in return.
This deserves a full blog.
Kinda nothing new
Everyone knows Portland wants to get rid of Andre Miller, after Roy’s comments that they should trade him or Miller. Portland has before shown interest multiple times in Harris
Jizz
I get his jizz; problem with his statements are he made terrible statements to support his point, and for that he is a smelly donkey! Having a smaller league is a valid point on why this league isn’t as exciting as in the past years, more power house matchups make the game more exciting, BUT his resolution is just a genius idea from a man on drugs! He doesn’t even realized how the league has bendover and backwards to accomodate players like him and hence the boring games! To solve this problem I’d rather change game rules to sway the dynamics in favor of the defensive player. This is what made the Jordans of the past exciting because it was actually hard for them in that era and yet they made it look so easy. These days the game has become tooooooo easy for the Lebrons of this era.
I did not say I agree with his point.
I just said I understood his point! His solution does not make sense and plain stupid. Just goes to show how half baked genius that he is.
he fails
1 more win to the playoffs for the NY Jets
"Expect a loss hope for a win" with the Nets
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swagger like this
You can pay for school but you can’t buy class
1 more win to the playoffs for the NY Jets
"Expect a loss hope for a win" with the Nets
Travis Outlaw fan club member with Damion James gettin dirty in the rear view mirror.
makes me wonder
How serious was he considering the new jersey in the summer since he acknowledged the great 1-5 combo they have. And if they were say 32-50 and not 12-70 would he have taken his talents to the Jersey Shore?
Lets just 68 and say I owe you one
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 25, 2010 12:42 AM EST reply actions
Merry Christmas NETS fans!
All I want for Christmas is a seventh or eighth seed playoff birth for the Nets with the Nets stepping up and handing the Heat a first round playoff ousting! Yeeha Lebum!
LETS GO NETS!
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let me rephrase the last comment so that it is truthful
" I am not smart, I have no idea what is good for this league" , this is as much of the truth as paul pierce
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