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Power Rankings: ''Double D" Wins

That would be the combination of Devin Harris and DEE-Fense.  As John Schuhmann and Marc Stein point out, if the Nets are going to win anything, they're will have to rely on both unless of course they get a Christmas present from Denver.

The Nets won two games this week, so they moved up a little, or at least didn't fade.  Stein moves them up three places to #24, Schuhmann moves them up one, also to #24.  John Hollinger keeps them at #25.  How important is Harris to the Nets?  Stein respondes, "New Jersey is 7-1 when Harris scores at least 21 ... and 1-19 when he doesn't."

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avery must have read this also

because he is telling harris to take every shot under the sun. this is going to be an interesting few weeks. see if this team can come together and win some games before we need to make deals

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by Mike Viola on Dec 20, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

No

We still need to deal for a scorer.

sasha vujacic is KING.

by Stromile Swift on Dec 20, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

stromile thats what I mean

come together, make a trade then we can really be good

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by Mike Viola on Dec 20, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

ohh.. lol

you didn’t put a comma so i read it wrong..

sasha vujacic is KING.

by Stromile Swift on Dec 20, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Pick and roll with Brook...

…team went away from it…why, Avery?

by jirohkanzaki on Dec 20, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

do FO's take off holidays?

will people be working around the clock (throughout the holiday season) to improve this teams situation? i hope so, though i can’t expect it of them. NOR do i think any professional athlete wants to concern themselves with moving teams, cities and their families during a time of the year where many, if not all people, are travelling and spending time with their families

by Chakroot on Dec 20, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

Devin should be looking to

score the basketball more, he looks timid at times. I would rather see Harris score 20 than Lopez score twenty.

by JJ25 on Dec 20, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

from a Nets fan point of view?

or from someone who wants to watch good, exciting basketball being played well?

by Chakroot on Dec 20, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Brook’s scoring right now either comes in a flash and then fades, or is a 4-quarter struggle. Apparently Devin’s offense is a bigger game-changer. Until the coaches find a more efficient way to get these guys going, that’s the way it’s gotta be.

by shane gayle on Dec 20, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i meant is more of a question of...

Nets team success vs. a basketball that is fun to watch

by Chakroot on Dec 20, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

an hour

the line on this bet is 5 minutes dude.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

'scuse

over/under

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

We need to play off of Devin until we can get some help in here

the record does not lie. When Harris is giving us offensive production, we’re a better team.

Brook needs less on his plate until he can get back to his old self. Plus, I think we need to just get him through this season any which way that we can so during the summer he can put in the work on his frame/game that he didn’t get to due to mono.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

because Harris is a SG not PG that is why Farmar and Harris together works. As did dooling and Harris before that.

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by SIC One on Dec 20, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody can think about anything but Melo

this situation needs to be resolved. Nothing else matters until something is done w/ Melo because our team could change drastically.

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by NetsKiNG on Dec 20, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Harris is our besty… Nets win when he is bestiest.

"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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by Andy. on Dec 20, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Andy

so aside from watching pornography, you also listen to Nikki Minaj?

Interesting sir.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

dude I think u have an obsession with porno…

"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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by Andy. on Dec 20, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

lol jk

"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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by Andy. on Dec 20, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

don't project your filthy habits onto me bro

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

nets and netsdaily are my filthiest habits

"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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by Andy. on Dec 20, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And selling things that will soon become useless…

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a bad habit

I’ve been trying to kick it for years but i just can’t stop

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

she is

but her surgically enhanced behind is starting to become the 8th wonder of the world.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Certainly not one of the "natural" wonders of the world

And there is a clear difference historically.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Dec 20, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahah nothing natural about that at all

but still a sight to behold nonetheless.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yessir

Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
All we needed was a Machine!

by cedaghost on Dec 20, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!

by NetsMets4Life on Dec 20, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

send a line to Rihanna's people

she’ll be able to tell us what it feels like for sure

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

she seems like a very nice person.

"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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by Andy. on Dec 20, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Mike Viola on Dec 20, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure it does, but that's not the point

You need a go-to scorer. Harris gets 20+ when he’s hot. When he’s hot, teams treat him like a star, and the rest of the team takes advantage of that.

by Frigidevil on Dec 21, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I get it

Nowadays to be a “winner” you must put 2 or 3 stars together. Sure, that can work, but there are other ways to build a successful team. A team that can defend, own the glass, and execute their offense because they have chemistry.

by SamsHops on Dec 21, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

+3

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

guys you are all not supposed to be writing about melo

we need to concentrate on our stellar 8-20 record,

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by Mike Viola on Dec 20, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

C'mon- we gotta trade Harris- he sucks... blah, blah, blah

Whiners. I’m sure the whining haters will be here shortly.

"Nobody in the league can guard you one-on-one," Johnson bellowed from the sideline. "It's an insult to you if they try."

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by NJNM on Dec 20, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

This Assessment is Dead Wrong.

Devin is a defensive liability.
Even if he’s scoring, he gives away almost as many points in putrid D and to’s.
And when he’s not it’s even more glaring.
Look at the loss in Toronto(on him) OR the win last night(2nd unit won that game).
Brook’s falling apart(or lack of development) is also partly on Devin. He continues to give Brooke and the big men the rock too far from the hoop, in terrible spots, or just plain lousy entry passes.
Yes he can score. But that in itself is fool’s gold, especially on this type if unit.

by Jron on Dec 20, 2010 2:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

second unit won that game…rightt

-So without Devin’s 22, 6, and 8 we wouldve won by 20?
And Brook posting up at the foul line is Devin’s fault too. And being the only player on our team that can create his own shot is fool’s gold? ??

by Mike LaMonica on Dec 20, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not w/o faults

but being 7-1 when he has a productive night offensively tells me that we need him to produce out there.

I can blame Harris for being a subpar passer in regards to getting brook the ball, Sasha looks like the only Net that knows how to throw a proper entry pass, but with Lopez taking a step backwards this year we need Harris’ ability to score at the rim and in the mid range. He’s the only player on the team that can create his own shot.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, Outlaw can create his own shot too, shortly followed by creating a blocked shot for the opposing sf

by Mike LaMonica on Dec 20, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

beautiful set up

and an even greater finish. LMAO

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

All kidding aside, Outlaw can create his own shot. The injury has severely limited his game because it appears as if there’s a mental-hump he needs to get over (unless he’s not completely healthy).

Despite what we see game in and game out, Outlaw is extremely athletic. He can finish in the lane and when I say finish I mean he can FINISH. If he drove more he could get to the line and open up the perimeter game while also increasing his convinced. I think it’s a mental-thing with Outlaw, he’s a lot better than he’s shown.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Increasing his confidence***

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Can’t argue with this…

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

ummm all kidding aside, Outlaw still blows

by Mike LaMonica on Dec 20, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously though, he has looked good at times. Good. Not Great. Just good. And that was in maybe 4 or 5 of 28 games. I’m sorry but for me that doesn’t really warrant more than 7 or 8 mins a game. And with the time he is getting, he should be showing that he can indeed get to the rim and FINISH as you say, instead of ‘creating’ his own 25 foot jump shots. That isn’t going to get him back into the rotation. We need a guy that can consistently get to the rack. BRING VINCE BACK!

by Mike LaMonica on Dec 20, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a guy that can consistently get to the rack. BRING VINCE BACK!

You’re being facetious, right? Vince could score thirty a game if he wanted to, but he didn’t like the pounding he took by penetrating so he thrived off fade-aways.

If Outlaw drove more he could really open up his game. He hast the athleticism to finish, like I said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1naL1Zp2IG8

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone has a highlight reel. I wish Farmar would still do things like this too, but that’s not the case anymore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oW3spPmRKs&feature=fvw

by Mike LaMonica on Dec 20, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

instead he misses wide open layups with 7 seconds to go in the game instead of dunking

by Mike LaMonica on Dec 20, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever.

Outlol is the GOAT.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

would love VC back !

But he wants to contend for a championship in the hot sun.

by Zartan on Dec 20, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I admire your optimism

but nothing I’ve seen from him has shown he can drive to the basket with consistency without losing the ball. I believe he can shoot and create his own shot, but he just doesnt appear to be a good ball-handler, which I don’t think is mental as getting shots to go down.

by sheepareevil on Dec 20, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Avery and mono are the reasons for Brooke’s regression. Devin and Brook used to have great chemistry, Harris always knew where Brook wanted the ball and where. Now Brooke can’t get any alleys and completely forgot what a pick-n-roll was.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

what happened to the brook and devin alley-oop? that used to combined for at least 2 baskets in every game. now it happens once a month at best.

by shane gayle on Dec 20, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Brooke lost his pump up Jordans from last year

by Mike LaMonica on Dec 20, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

More like Avery threw them out because he thought they were too flashy.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

"Wherever I go, I'm going to sign the extension"

I wonder what Chris Sheridan thinks about this statement.

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe

this was a message to the knicks. Saying, If you want me you had better make Denver a better offer, cause I’m coming as a free agent.

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If he indeed told the Nuggets it's Knicks or nobody

Then there’s nothing about that statement that contradicts his request. It just means “wherever” = New York.

The fact that he said he would sign it wherever he goes, and then asked even with the Nets, and he says “I don’t know”.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Dec 20, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Great interpretation.......

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

cause' he is holding out for the knicks

If he said “yea I’d sign with the Nets” we wouldn’t be having this discussion. The trade would have happened already I’m thinking.

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Harris can take over the game getting to the bucket. We need to let him do his thing when he’s in there. I would rather play him without a leash for limited minutes than play him with a short Avery leash for 40 minutes.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

See how Nets fans are

Now they are singing Harris praises….. There was a time they wanted to trade him and said Brook was the best center in the league not named Howard. This tune will soon change and would want to trade Harris again.

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Is Lopez the most hated 19 point scorer in franchise history or what!

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell me about it

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I still like and believe in the kid. it doesn’t look like he’s a superstar, but he still has All Star written all over him. He may be slow, but he’s also very big. This game isn’t just about speed. It’s about size and positioning too. He’ll get to where needs to be someday.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Lopez has sucked while getting his 19

but he’s young and coming off a bad off season so keep him around

by nwkiddnj on Dec 20, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He should be great at doing it

I mean stinks the floor and still score 19 points per game…..

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s shooting over 44% from the field. That’s not really that bad. It may not look pretty but his game isn’t about looking pretty.

He may be coming along slowly on the defensive end, but you can’t say he’s not improving, albeit slower than we’d hope.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s not exactly your typical big man. Zydrunas Ilgauskas has a career FG% of 48%.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He only averaged 7 boards a game in college. Teams weren’t expecting him to grab 15 rebounds a game at the next level.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I can go with that,

But if the Nets are going to keep him, we need a rebounding machine next to him.

by Zartan on Dec 20, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying he’s going to carry this franchise, but look at other big men crumbling around the league. In the age of Bynum, Yao and Oden, we have a very young 7 footer who hasn’t missed a game yet! Give him time.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

but Brook Lopez is not a citizen of the People’s Republic of China and won’t be forced to play basketball year round, destroying his body in the process.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a citizen of the People’s Republic of Comicon. So he’ll…

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only this

but I think we’re seeing the end of the super huge centers. I think this game has reached a turning point where you can just be too big and lumbering for your own good. Brook is a giant human being and Yao has a good six inches of height and 50 lbs. of mass over him. Most of the centers with constant injuries are the guys who are built like traditional 7’2", 300 lbs centers. I think Shaq is probably going to be the last of his kind.

by shane gayle on Dec 20, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

44% is pretty bad for a center. Should be a lot better and to tell you the truth, he gets bailed out a lot by the officials. If not for that, his FG% would be around 40%.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but unfortunately 4th quarters are played, defense is played

and double teams exist. This year it seems like all brook is good for is scoring 20 points in 3 quarters than he become a complete liability

by nwkiddnj on Dec 20, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

How many fouth Q points he scored?

Can somebody find that stat….

I can remember so many times that he scored plenty in 4th Q

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I still wnt to trade Harris

trade him while his value is high if we can get a nice piece back

by nwkiddnj on Dec 20, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I already think he is a "nice piece"

a pg that can get to the rim at will as your 2nd or 3rd option is a good problem to have.

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade to Philla

How about, Harris,Lopez and Murphy for Iggy, Mahgee and Holiday. maybe the lakers pick.

by Zartan on Dec 20, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

so switch both team ?

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting pretty sick of

the constant “Nets fans are…” comments.

Don’t mean to single you out NDTony… This goes to everybody: Just discuss the topic without trying to tell people that they’re wrong for feeling the way they do.

Thanks.

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by NetsDaily on Dec 20, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you.

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm always right

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If you want us to keep in the topic

you should delete all the posts related to Nets ranking like Melo talk trading Brook and all that…. You cannot have both ways.

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Not related to

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

come on now

ND gives us a lot of leeway dude, relax.

and ND, i got you. No more D-Bombs.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

despite restrictions on foul words etc

this is one of the best sports blogs on the net, period. Only on NetsDaily can a thread range from Nets to Melo to a random side discussion about hot chicks.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

and i've been the sites where language is not monitored...

its sad to say, but it turns into a very petty bickering match…. far too much name-calling, with little to none of the substance

by Chakroot on Dec 20, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

plenty of substance here IMO

And good folks.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of substance here

Well it sure doesn’t come from me.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I try to add

some substance, mixed with utter tomfoolery.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

beautiful statement

rec’d. My eyes are starting to well up with emotion

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Must be the spirit

of Christmas…brings out the best in everyone!

"Love is lovelier...the second time around
Just as wonderful...with both feet on the ground"

by aunt-B on Dec 20, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

.

In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!

by NetsMets4Life on Dec 20, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

this make me sad

Steve Nash deserves to win more than most, but his chances now are pretty slim.

by sheepareevil on Dec 20, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

those are tears of manliness right there

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the point

once the door has been opened to personal attacks (however mild they may be), the conversation just goes downhill. That’s why we do our best to nip it in the bud.

We can’t see everything though. That’s why I ask that you flag comments that you know are against the rules, and also ignore them, rather than respond and make it worse.

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by NetsDaily on Dec 20, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

its a privelege to post here

not a right… some people don’t see it that way, but everyone should learn to respect the House Rules, as it is the house that provides us with so much information on a CONSTANT basis

by Chakroot on Dec 20, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I beleive the "Nets Daily Rules" are a major reason ND is a sucess.

Nets Daily is one of the top 3 most active NBA blogs on SBNation. I believe that without the “rules”, many posters would have 1) been flamed once too often and quit, 2) got sick of reading all the flaming and quit, or 3) been the one doing the flaming and got banned.

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not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.

by John at the Jersey Shore on Dec 20, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

can’t let the Inmates Run The Asylum

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Arkham Asylum at that

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

there should be one game thread a season

where we are allowed to curse.

just get it all out, and then come back to reality

imagine something extremely witty here

by Gminski on Dec 20, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

So, then let us discuss

whatever we want unless profanity is involved. I didn’t personally insult anybody. I talked about Nets fans, including me.

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He has a point Dolla

How can you ask bloggers…. BLOGGERS, we cannot express how we feel about net fans. Net fans are a related topic to every thread on this site.

by nwkiddnj on Dec 20, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess he means

in terms of belittling folks.

Like we can disagree with each other’s opinions but we can’t bash someone for their opinion, only the opinion itself.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

And thats the truth.

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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 20, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess but that's BORING

i want to see some passion some fight, some chuck Norris round house kicks, some people elbows, some mike Tyson nibbles

by nwkiddnj on Dec 20, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

we have enough passion now

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Lmfao nice one

sasha is the new chuck Norris.

by nwkiddnj on Dec 20, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

the Nets have several kick ass players

Like The Hump and The Machine, aka The Passion of the Nets. Those guys kick so much ass on and off the court.

we just need MOAR.

MOAR PASSION. MOAR HOT CHICKS IN THE STANDS

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

this dude's look

screams russian mob. he’d fit in well in southern brooklyn

by shane gayle on Dec 20, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo is absolutely related

to this thread, as the NBA.com power rankings talk about how the Nets are playing good defense and bad offense. Getting one of the best scorers in the league sounds like a good fix to that issue.

But the point I’m making is not really about off-topic comments. It’s about telling people they’re wrong for feeling one way or the other, attempting to belittle the opinions of others and criticizing your fellow Nets fans.

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by NetsDaily on Dec 20, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It is useless to argue with you

We criticize each others opinion all the time. You can step in if we start personally insult each other but for me criticizing Nets Team, Nets organization and Nets fans are valid.

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

"belittle" is a big word for some of us.

is that like when Net Income responds with “silly”

Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone

by 3ptChucker on Dec 20, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

and just like that, the can of worms has been opened

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

See MDB’s comment above. There’s a difference between “that opinion is silly” and “you’re silly.”

But it’s not black or white. And I’ve deleted A LOT of Net Income’s comments on this site, and I’ve asked him to be more civil quite often.

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by NetsDaily on Dec 20, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't that what I was doing????

It is all about the opinion, It is about the opinion of Nets fans.

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps

your comment wasn’t all that bad, honestly. And I may have misinterpreted your intent. But there have been a lot of similar “Nets fans are…” comments that are clear attempts to make others look stupid for the way they feel. That’s the stuff that I hate.

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by NetsDaily on Dec 20, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

We can't cack can we?

time and time I wait to see u explode. One day, one day……..

by nwkiddnj on Dec 20, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Case closed.

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I always thought NetsDaily/Net Income

I always thought NetsDaily/Net Income were the same person.

Who is Bobbo (Net Income) and who is NetsDaily? Who owns the website, i know the NYTimes had a bit on him in the large MP feature. Isn’t one of them a tv producer in NYC?

by Yi Of Little Faith on Dec 20, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Harris needs to shoot more.

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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 20, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Everybody needs to Rec this post because it’s the truth. He needs to attack more and he needs to open up things for Brook and Murphy (now that he’ll be back in the rotation).

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch it there!

He said Harris needs to SHOOT. I’m getting sick of him bricking 3’s. Harris needs to ATTACK THE RIM is more like it. I never thought I’d say it but… We need a little more dribble drive offense from Devin. We have shooters in Sasha and Outlaw (sorta). Drive and kick, Devin.

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by JohnFromLongIsland on Dec 20, 2010 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Drive, Kick

out for three games. Rinse, wash, repeat

we need some help in the worst way.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Meloooooooo

The Token Black-Jew

by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Semantics.

I apologize good sir, you are correct.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 20, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wondering if Harris got injured when carter was on the team? Anyone recall?

by kupalski on Dec 20, 2010 2:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Of course he did. Yes.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the sky blue? Is Water wet?

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

he did get hurt

thats why we didnt make the playoffs that year

by Keenan on Dec 20, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see why everyone rags on Harris as a playmaker

His assist rate isn’t very far from Deron Williams, and is better than Russell Westbrook or Derrick Rose. Yet, no one gives Rose a hard time even if he’s a lackluster distributor when it’s not a kickout situation

by muwu on Dec 20, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

well

Rose is a better player and leads his team.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont forget that

just because you have a lot of assists doesnt mean you are a PG.

Go ask Starbury.

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by SIC One on Dec 20, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

who?

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Again...

I said Harris was half responsible. Avery owns the other half if messing w/Brooke’s fragile game and head.
But if you really watched last night’s game:
Any of the 5,6 and 10 pt leads that were built last night, were built when Devin was not on the floor(save a portion of the 4th). Those leads were built when Machine and Farmar were on the floor. What many mistook during those ‘defect’ portions, was Devin shooting well enough to maintain or stay within 6 or 8. The point: a real point guard doesn’t cause a team to go 1-20 on the nights he can’t get his shot to go down.

by Jron on Dec 20, 2010 2:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Machine and Farmar

the championship backcourt

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not

What I as implying. But it did show for a more team oriented, ball movement and motion offense.
If you read my posts and watch the games a bit more closely , u will see this oftentimes is the Achilles or ‘zero sum gain’ nature of a team led by Devin Harris

by Jron on Dec 20, 2010 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was just kidding

but I know exactly what you’re talking about, and this comment:

real point guard doesn’t cause a team to go 1-20 on the nights he can’t get his shot to go down

is on the money. He doesn’t make others better.

But for right now, we have to ride him until something comes along.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard to make others better when THERE ARE NO PLAYS.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, what's with the "ad libbing" on offence?

Can’t these guys learn a few set plays?

BTW, has anyone noticed the good results when Brook does sucesfully post up, passes out of the double team and then re-posts (ala Stockton and Malone)? He always gets closer to the basket on the re-post and either gets a good shot off or finds the cutter now that he has every defender’s attention.

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by John at the Jersey Shore on Dec 20, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

someone is being paid a lot of money right now

to point that out to Brook, to his face, in the video room during practice.

A lot of the stuff that I’m seeing from Brook this year can easily be corrected with proper practice and film study. Last year combined with the bout with mono may have done more damage than we’ve thought. Brook CLEARLY has developed some bad habits that can be fixed.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I see now

Sorry I missed the kidding, I just freak when folks think DH needs to shoot more.

by Jron on Dec 20, 2010 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think DH needs to shoot more. Why freak? He needs to take more shots, preferably around the rim, but more shots nonetheless.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course

but not dumb shots from 30 feet out, his 3ptFG% has dipped from like 39% to 29% in like the last 10 games.

by JJ25 on Dec 20, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer

that Harris keep the shooting to the mid range area, preferably when he does his patent pending ankle snapping crossover into pull up J. That is his bread and butter. Use it.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the best moves in basketball IMO

I feel he never misses when he does that. VINTAGE DEVIN HARRIS.
Whenever he play ball I represent.

by JJ25 on Dec 20, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

At the expense of...

Wins and player development and team oriented basketball? You must have stock in “34”. Because that sounds, well, like an 8 win team.

by Jron on Dec 20, 2010 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

7-1 (DH scores 21+)

1-19 (DH scores >21)

Boom.

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by NBRITM on Dec 20, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

wow haters just continue to hate(Jron)

so you’re saying its devin’s fault everytime we lose?(even though he didnt play/finish all the games) Brook cant be blamed AT ALL for not playing well, come on dude, you’re not making any sense.

Brook is not playing great, no need to blame devin and avery that he is not getting the position he needs to score efficiently or not even 8 rebounds a game

by Keenan on Dec 20, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Nets need to trade Hump while his value is High

Josh Howard or Al Thornton sound good
Julian Wright is a big sleeper.
Grant Hill or Jamario Moon.

by JJ25 on Dec 20, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

not worth it

we will probably have to hold onto the Hump if Favors gets shipped out anywho

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

DollarBills

If we had to pick between having 1 SF and 3 PF (one is not getting playing time) which one would you pick? Murphy off the Bench and Favors starting (getting near that time,41st game)
Lopez/Petro
Favors/Murphy
Howard or Thornton or Hill/Outlaw
Morrow/Vujacic
Harris/Farmar
That’s a nice 8th seed.

by JJ25 on Dec 20, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You could chalk up Brook's struggles all up to mono

if not for the fact that his problems this year aren’t all physical. Sure he lost out on a ton of time, but how did that affect his passing awareness or his shot selection? These are concepts that don’t have to come with a new system, these are things you have intrinsically. You could possibly chalk it up to Avery as to why Brook is playing so far from the basket, but it isn’t the weight loss or system that tells him to try and put a shot up when double teamed even if it’s a completely terrible shot.

by muwu on Dec 20, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

i've read that mono makes your brain fart

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

His rebounding is fundamentally wrong and he lacks the strength to get two hands up to get after the ball. This could have something to do with the summer he had to throw away. While most players were working on their game, a la Richard Jefferson nailing down the fundamentals, he was recovering from mono.

His shot selection is bad. That’s just youth. He’s young, remember? Hump had a bad shot selection until he was 25. he then “shortened” his game and look how his career and his numbers have taken off.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Unlike Hump, Brook has regressed, not improved

2009: 5.5 attempts at the rim
2010: 6.6 attempts at the rim
2011: 3.4 attempts at the rim

by muwu on Dec 20, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

point is though

he’s young. Things like this can be improved upon.

If he was 25-26 years old regressing like this, then I’d be worried

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I also think Avery got a little too excited and asked too much of Lopez early on this year. After talking him up and trying to give him confidence all off-season, suddenly and drastically shortening his leash may do bad things to the kid.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

something has to give

he’s doing a lot of fundamentally flawed things out there that need to be corrected. Either he’s mentally cut out for this job or he’s not.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think..

He is trying to steer Brook down the road of being like Dirk? Meaning making him a big time play maker where all offense begins through him?

Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
All we needed was a Machine!

by cedaghost on Dec 20, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

it's definitely not that drastic

Brook can be a very good center in this league without dominating the game like Shaq, Howard or Tim Duncan.

by sheepareevil on Dec 20, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Josh Howard's Salary 07-10

2007-08 Dallas Mavericks $9,000,000
2008-09 Dallas Mavericks $9,945,000
2009-10 Washington Wizards $10,890,000

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m just saying that Josh Howard was not always a 1 million dollar salary, like he is this season.

by Coach Joe on Dec 20, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

YEAH

but I would rather give Josh Howard “All Star” that money than give Outlaw “Bench player” 7 Million.

by JJ25 on Dec 20, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

that dude made 10 million dollars last year?

Not bad for a functioning pot head

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

he was hilarious at the game

i sat right next to him

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by Mike Viola on Dec 20, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It is little deceiving

Yes Brook has the highest FG% but he is a Center and Andrea Bargnani and Dirk Nowitzki are PF shooting from the perimeter. Brook has regressed this season but he is not as bad as many think and definitely should not be traded no matter what. He will bounce back soon.

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's the thing

Brook may be a center, but he’s playing like a three point shooting PF, ergo the similarly low fg% and rebounding percentage

by muwu on Dec 20, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

Is there a coincidence between his sudden change in play, and the former coach of Dirk becoming his head coach??

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No, after Avery became Dirk's coach

his numbers went up….. :)

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by NDTony on Dec 20, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw that when you posted it yesterday, but did not get the point.

Data overload, I guess. I need the cliff notes. What’s the significance of all those numbers?

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by John at the Jersey Shore on Dec 20, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Taken from every season of every NBA player

Those are the guys that fulfilled those requirements

by muwu on Dec 20, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would you only use this season?

Coming into the year, Brook’s statistical comps included guys like Pau Gasol and Al Jefferson.

And even with his low FG% and terrible shot selection, Brook has still been productive. He just hasn’t been the Nets best player like last year. Harris has played very well.

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by TWilliAM on Dec 20, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It means he's having a down year... so far... less than 30 games into the season.

It’s just that we have 164 other games that say we should expect better. It’s very likely that we’ll get it at some point.

So, I don’t really see the point of looking a statistical comps based on 30 games and not 194 games… unless your point is to be disingenuous.

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by TWilliAM on Dec 21, 2010 4:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh and did modify this since then

Went with rebound percentage (percentage of all available rebounds grabbed) rather than per game

by muwu on Dec 20, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I saw that it was shorter.

not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.

by John at the Jersey Shore on Dec 20, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

These may be better comparables for Brook showing overall talent:

Here.

Height 6’10" (two inches doesn’t make a difference)
Simply seasons 22 years or younger.
TS% .56 (last year’s total)
USG% 20.3 (lowest career number)
Points: 16
TRB%:13.5

Sorted by PER

The question is: Is Avery trying to bring out this kind of player, or simply a Dirk who is not a Dirk?

by ________key on Dec 20, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Brook is NOT Dirk

Avery would be a fool if he didn’t realize this. Dirk doesn’t play like a 7 footer, Brook absolutely does as seen in some of his faults, especially ball handling and speed, and doesn’t when he should, i.e. mediocre rebounding and crouching down really low when he does post. Brook will never have that smooth turnaround or spot up shooting that Dirk does, but Dirk has never had as many post moves as Brook has and is capable of learning.

Honestly though I don’t think Avery is trying to get him to shoot outside instead of post-up, I just think Brook often has trouble getting the ball down low, so if he is on that part of the court when he receives the ball, he’s confident enough and effective enough to take the 18-footer. This isn’t Avery’s doing, I’m sure Avery realizes Brook is most dangerous when he receives the ball in or right outside the paint.

by sheepareevil on Dec 20, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

There are specific things that can be done to get a center the ball deep in the post. These things are not being done for most of the game.

by ________key on Dec 20, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

well I agree, but I think it’s the players not executing, not Avery. though that’s all speculation.

by sheepareevil on Dec 20, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I love double D's!

I don’t settle for Cs or double C’s!
:p

by soul driver on Dec 20, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

your loss

she can be A, B, C, D, E, or, F doesn’t matter to me. A hot woman is a hot woman

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

this is true..you're right

I’ve been spoiled by my ex..I’ll get over it :p

by soul driver on Dec 20, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh oh oh

Here’s a guy we could add to improve our team:

Alonzo Gee

He’s looking like the odd man out in Washington with them needing a PG more. Quite some potential there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdHWjH1G6no&feature=fvw

by muwu on Dec 20, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Sheridan seems to be backing off the guarantee that it'll only be the Knicks
Hi Chris, All the conventional wisdom (so to speak) has Melo eventually accepting his fate as an NJ Net. This obviously goes against what you reported. Are you still sure he only signs with NYK?
Chris Sheridan (2:35 PM)

The Nets still think they can get in his ear and convince him to sign the extension with them, and though I’m sure M.Prokhorov and Jay-Z can make a strong pitch (and B.King can make the best offer), I still give them and the other 27 teams only a 5 percent chance of getting ‘Melo. I’ve still got it at Knicks, 75 percent; Nuggets, 20 percent; rest of NBA: 5 percent.
From the Nuggets’ point of view, how much worse is the Knicks’ offer than the Nets’? Favors, Harris and picks sounds alot better than Landry Fields, Gallo and picks…
Chris Sheridan (2:51 PM)

Favors and three No. 1s trumps anything the Knicks can/will offer, and that will continue to be the case until the deal does or doesn’t go down. (other piece would be T.Murphy, not D.Harris, if it is a straight two-team deal). What matters most is whether Anthony will remain steadfast in his opposition to agreeing to sign an extension with anyone other than New York if he is traded. And if the Nets get shut out, they are well positioned to build a decent young team through the draft over the next two years and have a ton of cap space for the summer of 2012 free agent class.

So much for “trust me”

by muwu on Dec 20, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing unreasonable there

His “Open Letter” was a travesty to unbiased journalism, but he’s not saying anything inappropriate in the above quotes.

He was told what he was told. Berger was told it too, from a source as close to Melo as you can get (I’m assuming his agent).

I disagree with his belief that the Knicks are 75% going to get him. I’d put there number around 25% because Denver doesn’t want to deal with them. Denver can now call Melo’s bluff about testing free agency, and force them to come an agreement on how to work this out.

If Denver refuses to deal with New York, and Melo refuses to sign with the Nets – they are at a standstill.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Dec 20, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve still got it at Knicks, 75 percent; Nuggets, 20 percent; rest of NBA: 5 percent.

This guy is a clown. Someone, anyone with some integrity and respect for their profession needs to call this d-bombadier out on his baseless “journalism”.

It must be nice getting paychecks from ABC Disney, with money coming in from Cablevision on the side

If the Nets, by some miracle of god, do land Melo, the spin will come hard and fast from these pieces of garbage.

I wish there was another sports news outlet that would be able to knock ESPN off of it’s high horse. They clearly lack competition with the way they’ve thrown truth and good journalism to the wayside for hype, sensationalism, lies, and spin.

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by MrDollarBills on Dec 20, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Someone, anyone with some integrity and respect for their profession needs to call this d-bombadier out on his baseless "journalism".

Peter Vecey did this already. An enjoyable read.

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

2 weeks earlier

Vescey said the Nets were in the trash because he learned Melo wouldn’t play for New Jersey.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Dec 20, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Evan and I had a back and forth over the weekend

Where I told him to stop apologizing to Knicks fans for being a Nets fan. It’s so annoying.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Dec 20, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Another sports news outlet?

How about WFAN, the Nets-bashing flagship station of the NETS!

not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.

by John at the Jersey Shore on Dec 20, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I want Melo to be a Net

partly because I want people to troll the hell out of this hack when it turns out he’s wrong.

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by NetsMets4Life on Dec 20, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I cant wait

Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
All we needed was a Machine!

by cedaghost on Dec 20, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

But a fan can dream cant I?

Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
All we needed was a Machine!

by cedaghost on Dec 20, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish there was another sports news outlet that would be able to knock ESPN off of it’s high horse. They clearly lack competition with the way they’ve thrown truth and good journalism to the wayside for hype, sensationalism, lies, and spin.

my god THIS ^. I’ll avoid watching games on ESPN (Heat-Knicks) cause I know it’ll be a slobbertfest and a half but seek out games to watch on TNT with teams I barely care about cause I know I’m gonna get some good, honest, insightful broadcasting.

by sheepareevil on Dec 20, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

But I will not be backing off Sheridan

Sorry, he set if off.

Nets = Global
Knicks = Local

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by BigTom on Dec 20, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention

the oft-reported package of Favors + Murphy + picks strikes me as extreme journalistic laziness. When was the last time a trade had been telegraphed for months that turned out to involve the same package of trade pieces as had been reported? As far as I can remember back, the answer is never. Therefore, that won’t be the trade. Reporters are good at reporting; terrible at predicting.

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Knicks = Local

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by BigTom on Dec 20, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right

If that ends up being the package I’ll be surprised. Could involve more players, but I suspect a third team.

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver is finally getting all their guys back

KMart Birdman and Billups practiced today. Maybe they will feel better about making a Melo move. idk, I’m reaching here.

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

i would love to hear the nuggets gms phone calls.

this guy is nuts. he must realize he is going to cripple this franchise if he doesnt make the right move. It is insane

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by Mike Viola on Dec 20, 2010 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Me too man,

let’s hack their emails…

by Rodney Buford on Dec 20, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....

by Kingsley King Lin on Dec 20, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

lol

what are we laughing at?

not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.

by John at the Jersey Shore on Dec 20, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i really think he is waiting for the nets record to fall

if he waits until nets have lost 30-40 games. he knows the nets pick will be high. if he makes deal tomorrow, this team has a chance to go off and win 40 games. which makes us a 7 seed and our pick is just at bottom or out of the lottery. its really annoying but that is the case.

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by Mike Viola on Dec 20, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Or using the Nets

to get a better package out of another team

by SamsHops on Dec 20, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

slow day huh. no melo news??

I actually got work done around the house.

It’s always when I’m at work that something big happens or a good thread is started.

I wonder if we missed out on Melo should we focus on CP3?

How many people are worried about that bone on bone?

by killa kadafi191 on Dec 20, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

haha

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Work?

I just started a new job last week.
It’s a good thing my boss is very flexible, otherwise my lack of productivity keeping up with the Melo news and NetsDaily would probably get me canned!
Maybe after the Christmas holiday things will pick up. It would be great to have all this trade business settled before the New Year.

"Love is lovelier...the second time around
Just as wonderful...with both feet on the ground"

by aunt-B on Dec 20, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Harris should attempt at least more than 16 times ( current at 12 )

He is our captain, the most versatile guard we have. And he also has a good-looking face, we all should support him.

Without him, we will only be worse.

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Lmfao

ohman. You are a great man jarkid. A great man, but I have to admit you be having me rolling in the floor in laughter

by nwkiddnj on Dec 20, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hilarious

Niceee, as opposed to Derrick Rose face lol I remember hahah

by Atronic on Dec 20, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha... your memory is so excellent.

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhh Net Income...

Your Tuesday Melo-finale is arriving soon….

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by NetsKiNG on Dec 20, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

I hope this everyday

and nothing ever happens.

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by NetsKiNG on Dec 20, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Better hope for an exciting game then

Nothing about tomorrow is any different than today or Wednesday.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Dec 20, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't there a rule that no trades can be made over the holiday?

I heard it was a period between like Dec. 23rd and the end of the month?

No idea if there is truth to that.

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by NetsKiNG on Dec 20, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we'll get a bogus news report tonight

even though it was BS, it was the most exciting hour of the Melo-drama.

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by NetsKiNG on Dec 20, 2010 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

Man

Either way i want to know, patience isnt one of my virtues.

by danxcr on Dec 20, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

haha

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by jarkid on Dec 20, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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