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Critics Win Right to Re-Argue Case; Arena Construction Will Continue

After more than 30 losses in federal and state courts, critics of the Atlantic Yards project have finally won something, but the state court decision does NOT halt construction on Barclays Center and is unlikely to slow it down either.

Critics have long complained that the state development corporation, the ESDC, did not adequately address  extensive changes made to the overall Atlantic Yards plan in 2009, including an extended buildout of the $5 billion project.  State court judges had rejected the argument, granting the ESDC great latitude.  Tuesday, a Manhattan judge who had originally ruled in favor of the ESDC, permitted critics to re-argue their case, giving them one final court hearing.

However, Judge Marcy Friedman did not stay arena construction and asked the ESDC in particular for "findings" on why the new plan shouldn't require a new environmental impact statement.  The arena, meanwhile, continues on time and on-budget.  Even critic Norman Oder suggests that it's "unclear whether the ruling will fundamentally change anything".

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Do these people continue to beat a dead horse? Are they looking to make a name for themselves ?

by NetsBall4Real on Nov 9, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yup

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Nov 9, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ding ding ding.... You get the prize...

They need a cause. Even though our city country and planet are filled with way more just causes. These people have become fixated on this one. Great job.

BRING AGENT ZERO To NEWARK/BROOKLYN!!! We Keep FAVORS/BROOK/DEVIN TOO! The JETS/NETS are coming!

by MrBDown on Nov 9, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Judges got to eat too...

"Until it ends, there is no end"

by M I K E on Nov 9, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.

by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 9, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's why

They are trying to stop an abuse of eminent domain on what was their property that they never wanted to sell in the first place, but were forced to by hardly being given a choice.

by Tal Barzilai on Nov 9, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyways....

Who else will be at The Rock tonight?

by Christopher Manchesi on Nov 9, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Right here

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Nov 9, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Stub Hub is amazing

Melo? Not for my Favors!
NetsMets4life = Kat Stacks

by NetsMets4Life on Nov 9, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

LOVE STUB HUB

Those recession friendly prices. And I found parking 2 blocks away for like 15 bucks when I went to a game. Not too bad for a Queens NY fan.

BRING AGENT ZERO To NEWARK/BROOKLYN!!! We Keep FAVORS/BROOK/DEVIN TOO! The JETS/NETS are coming!

by MrBDown on Nov 9, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

NICE

Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement

by MrDollarBills on Nov 9, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I have gone to three games so far and sat in the same section right behind NETS bench. Row 1. I haven’t paid more than 40 for a ticket. Going tonight for 30 per ticket. Got 4 tickets in Row 1 for 120.

by Christopher Manchesi on Nov 9, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

off of stubhub???

Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement

by MrDollarBills on Nov 9, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

could news like this possibly provide Melo with more pause

This sucks…

I can’t even root for the team for two years. Everything is on hold. The move, the Melo trade, the Nets, there is so much uncertainty

by gsloots on Nov 9, 2010 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

It's a step in the right direction

Some may use the famous phrase “Better late than never” for this ruling. I am glad to hear that the fight is still on afterall. So much for saying that it’s over. This almost reminds me of those naysayers aka Freedom Tower Fanatics who mentioned to pro-Towers supporters like myself who tried to use that statement, “They already made their decision and there is nothing you can do about it.” Just like this, new findings put them right back in the playing field. If they come back in actually stop the construction and even kill the project, it will something like a Red Sox-esque comeback, which was based on when the Red Sox came back to win playoff series when pushed to the brink, and that happened three times in franchise history. Maybe now some of you want to see the play In the Footprint afterall. We might as well start calling DDDB the comeback kids. It looks as if miracles do exist afterall, so this sort of Jane Jacob-esque as well, who was known for still standing up to the system when most just stopped.

by Tal Barzilai on Nov 9, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

Tal, get a grip

This will have NO impact on the Nets moving to Brooklyn. Let’s put it this way, the original case the was the basis for today’s court decision was argued in December 2009….a year ago! By the time, the “re-argument” goes on the schedule…briefs are submitted…oral arguments are heard….and a decision on the re-argument is rendered it will certain be a year from now…at which point the arena will be substantially complete.

Even if the critics win the re-argument case, you can rest assured that ESDC will appeal to the New York State Court of Appeals, which will add ANOTHER year to the case.

Anything is possible (in terms of the ultimate outcome), but the courts are supposed to defer to the judgment of the State Agency….so the best the critics can really hope for is a determination by the Court of Appeals that the ESDC has to go back and do a supplemental environmental impact survey of the effect of a 25 year construction timeline as opposed to a 10 year construction timeline.

By the time all of that is adjudicated, the Nets (or Brooklyn Ballers) will already be playing games at Barclays.

As title has already been passed (to Forest City Ratner) and most of the structures in “Phase I” of the footprint have already been demolished, there’s really no way for the courts to “undo” what’s already been done.

by corey447 on Nov 9, 2010 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

Oh please!

Corey, spare me the naysaying. If the new findings are found to not to be as promising, it can halt construction. Of course financial issues can halt it also. There already has been determinations by Oder that most of the construction will take ten years to build. Of course a year from now still doesn’t mean that the arena will be partially built. Ever since I saw the Red Sox come back from a sweep against the Yankees to win the 2004 ALCS, it gave me a reason to believe that miracles are possible and can happen. If this is big news from DDDB and Brooklyn Speaks, then it must be good. As usual, the future is NOT written in stone, so anything can happen.

by Tal Barzilai on Nov 9, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

THERE ARE NO FINANCIAL ISSUES

the ARENA is fully funded. You keep raising this AND IT IS WRONG.

The arena is fully funded by the world’s 29th richest man, a half billion dollars in bonds which have been sold and Forest City Ratner. If Ratner needs more money, then Prokhorov has agreed to finance any shortfalls.

by Net Income on Nov 9, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I have heard that one before

There has been a number of projects in just NYC that have exceeded their original costs, and this one may not be an exception to that. That so-called official plan for the WTC site has been going up in costs since it was brought out, and some of it may not even be built due to those costs let alone finding tennants for them. The new Yankee Stadium wound up costing double the original amount and the state is still in debt from funding it, while the neighborhood hardly has back their park space. As for this one, hearing delays due to financial issues won’t be a surprise. It has already been proven that the arena is a net money loser, so it will be draining more money than making it. If there has to be new studies and it turns out that it has been violated, then Ratner can be fined, which can cause some dents in building it. Keep in mind that was supposed to be built in New London by Pfizer was stopped due to financial reasons, which is why it was left as an empty lot despite winning the court arguements. As for paying for this, it’s not Ratner or Proky that will be paying for it, that money will actually come from the taxpayers, so we are the ones footing the bill, not them.

by Tal Barzilai on Nov 10, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You never know...

I don’t think this will stall Barclays Center, not with Proky’s money involved in the project. Brooklyn Nets will happen, they lose this case somehow, then they’ll get a payout and eventually Van Der Beek will buy a struggling NBA team (Kings or Bucks) with a shoddy arena to move them to Newark which may take anywhere from 2 to 4 years to happen. New York/New Jersey metro area can handle a 3rd team due to the fact that you have 3 sports channels competing for teams to put on their networks in MSG, YES and SNY (who would love to have programming between the Mets baseball season and an NBA team would fit that criteria).

by kombayn on Nov 9, 2010 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

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