Nets Interested in Earl Barron? No.
by Net Income on Nov 4, 2010 7:23 PM EDT
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PrintHoopsWorld's Alex Kennedy reports that the Nets are among six teams looking at Earl Barron, the 29-year-old seven-footer who averaged 11.7 ppg and 11 rpg in seven games for the Knicks at the end of last season. Kennedy reports, without citing a source, that the Suns, Bulls, Clippers, Raptors, Hornets and Nets "have expressed interest." A Nets source denied to Al Iannazzone that the team expressed any interest in Barron.
Although the Nets have 15 players on their roster, Stephen Graham and Ben Uzoh have partially guaranteed deals. Sham Sports, which has the most detailed information on NBA salaries, reports that Graham's contract becomes fully guaranteed if he's not waived before December 1. Uzoh's contract becomes fully guaranteed on January 10, when all contracts are guaranteed for the remainder of the season. Both were inactive vs. Charlotte.
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Nets are thinkig of a trade
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
by Andy. on Nov 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
maybe
or maybe the story isn’t accurate. Seems odd that the Nets would be interested in Barron. Petro may not be playing at the level they like,but the Nets have signed 24 year old Petro to a three year $10 million deal. And neither Barron nor Petro can really play any other position besides center.
Who knows? That’s my mantra.
Could be they are thinking of letting Joe Smith go and need another big
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that Murphs back he's never going to play
It might just be out of respect to Joe that they’d cut him rather than force him to be inactive behind Murph, Favors, Hump, and Outlaw
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Smith is 35 years old
he just wants to get paid
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
we NEED Joe Smith
or at least I need her for comic relief
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
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her? him
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
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I lol'd.
Melo? Not for my Favors!
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by NetsMets4Life on Nov 5, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Earl wasn't part of my plans when I woke up.
This was my plan- Nets dealing with the Sus for J-Rich
Lopez/Petro
Hump/Favors
J-Rich/Outlaw
Morrow/T-Will
Harris/Farmar
Well I guess you can stick Barron at the backup 4/5.
Who were you planning on trading for Richardson?
Quentin Ross?
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet they'd be all over that
A borderline allstar that fits perfectly in their system for spare parts
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't make that trade if I was the Nets
J-Rich isn’t a borderline allstar anymore, you can say the same thing about Murphy. I wouldn’t even trade James for J-rich, James arrows is going up while J-rich’s is going down.
It really makes no sense for either team
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 5, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
bad trade
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not trading James
I don’t know antoher reson why it would be a bad trade Suns need rebounding and Nets need a scorer who can give them 18+ a game consistently. I rather give Murphy (which Suns need notice they are one of the teams intrested in Earl Barron) and Ross for J-Rich than give Nuggets all of our Power Forwards for Melo just my opinion.
Suns need rebounding
Nets need a scrorer that can compliment Brook and harris.
Who said im trading james
Murphy and Ross for J-Rick Suns need f-in rebounding we need f-in scoring.
This
makes no sense to me unless we have trade in work which would leave with no pf…….maybe melo trade is in works
Yeah this makes zero sense
they just waived Zoubek to get Barron?
Why didn't Nets invite him to summer camp or consider him over Zoubek?
Did he play summer ball?
oh sure
the answer to the problems that trading our PFs would create would be signing Earl Barron, a guy who is so great no NBA team has signed till now… I know people love to read too much into these kind of insignificant moves (not even really a move, just a rumor that hasn’t even been reported by anyone else), but come on….
Anyone have word on the details/authenticity of the Melo to Bulls deal.
It doesn’t make sense that the Sixers would trade Iggy for Deng.
And any Bulls 1st round pick would be worthless.
Maybe an attempt to try to pressure King’s hand, which would be a story in itself.
King may be retreating from his (leaked) offer of Favors+Murphy+1st round pick(s).
Coincidence that Favors looked good and Murphy was healthy last night, just as this Bull story gets out?
http://www.gacksports.com/6050/three-team-trade-involving-carmelo-anthony-in-the-works/
no, rather read the underlying story
on which the GACK story is based. It’s not a rumor. It’s a blogger’s speculation on what he’d like to see.
It’s meaningless. GACKSPORTS? GACK? Please.
Yep, he didn't even work out salary details or wonder why Sixers would do it.
Sixers would be getting a Bulls 1st round pick (worth a little more than GS 2nd round pick Nets own (LOL)).
Sixers would give up their best player for Deng and create a backlog at SF (Iggy is now playing SG and Turner isn’t ready for SG position).
Not even sure if Nuggets would prefer Iggy to Favors, especially if Nuggets aren’t going to win a championship this year anyway? Nuggets reportedly want to see how team looks before deciding future direction.
Forget Melo look at my trade proposal above
now thats a team.
I was expecting something to happen after Deng scored 40 pts. the other night.
Currently, in order to make salaries match, Bulls would have to trade Deng + Noah for Melo
We will need to monitor Deng these next few weeks to see if he has suddenly blossomed and would be a top SF for future years.
Hahahahaha
Deng isn’t blossoming any time soon. He is what he is already. He’s 25 years old, a 7 year pro. If he hasn’t gotten it by now, he won’t change anymore.
I was hoping that Outlaw would at least turn into the "failed" version of Deng.
Then he could be traded.
wait, what?????
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
This stuff could give Melo false hope of going to Chicago.
If Melo was sure he wasn’t going to sign an extension with Nets, he would have told Ujiri already, because that would have been to his advantage (it would force Nuggets to deal with Knicks, and thus lower what the Knicks would need to offer).
Obviously Nuggets wouldn’t be seriously talking to Nets if Melo had ruled out Nets. It is quite simple logic.
Nuggets would publicly entertain Nets offer to spur other teams to bid higher
It is quite simple logic.
Outlaw is the new Yi - just with more money and longer contract without the 7.2 rebounds and occasional shooting streak.
certainly could
and they may very well be waiting for Dec. 15 to entertain better offers.
Raptors did that in 2004 and look who they got!!! Thorn called Babcock on Dec. 15 and two days later, a deal was done. Of course, VC was looking bad those first six weeks of the season. Mitchell wasnt giving him minutes and he wasnt giving effort. Melo on the other hand is playing very well.
Can you tell us a possible FA deal that would benefit Nuggets on Dec. 15. I haven't seen one proposed.
King should have a feeling if he is being “used” by the Novice Ujiri.
What we know is that a 4 team deal was ready to go down over 1 month ago (and Melo’s associates were encouraging him to go with Proky), except
1. MJ didn’t want to part with Augustin
2. Nuggets owner didn’t want to pay extra luxury tax,
and 3. There wasn’t an expert on CBA in place in Denver at that time.
Why go through that effort if Melo told them he wouldn’t sign extension with Nets?
And this week we know that Favors has probably risen to become the most valuable player available, besides the Nets having the best draft pick possibilities.
If King gets a call from Ujiri, chances are that Nuggets have reason to expect Melo to follow through and sign extension with Nets.
I dont feature myself an amateur GM
unlike people here who think access to the ESPN Trade Machine qualifies them.
Hey hey wait now
You can’t tell me this isn’t a good trade for all parties:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dzy4ye
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
Larry Coon's Cap FAQ
ESPN Trade Machine is for show. Larry Coon’s Cap FAQ can make anyone here a capologist, not necessarily an amateur GM.
by imdkidd on Nov 5, 2010 8:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just think of anyone who signed this summer
Even if it’s just bench parts it leaves more options for teams to match salaries
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
but Favors is still the prize Nuggets should want at this time, once they realize by Dec. 15 that they won't win a championship.
IMO, Ujiri feels obligated to fans, to make sure Nuggets aren’t a top team before trading Melo, unless a great deal comes along before then.
That may be, but being able to trade anyone will certainly help match numbers if three teams have to be involved
Many parts of trades aren’t traded for anything more than matching cap numbers
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose Murphy could be converted to another player, via a 3rd team after Dec 15, but then Nuggets want an expiring and Murphy is a plus for this season.
Fact is that Nuggets don’t know what they want, until after being convinced where they are headed this season. Hence wait until Dec 15 regardless.
...
They are several decent players without teams right now. Hayes, Sasha Pavolic, etc
by JackTr1pper on Nov 4, 2010 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BTW, Nets may still have a cap hold of around 2.4 million on Jarvis Hayes if needed.
Zzone thought that was true as of last week when I asked him.
Don’t know how it would work in a trade if Nets already have 15 players, since Nets would have to Sign then Trade him.
Or else Nets could drop Uzoh. I wonder if Nets could pick up Uzoh later, after roster space is available?
Hayes wouldn't be used unless there was a firm deal in place for Melo, but more salary was needed.
That was the case when Devin Harris was included.
It could apply in the following deal where Nets would have to take back the bad contract of Birdman.
I think if Nets asked Nuggets to take the bad contract of Outlaw, Nuggets would demand that Nets take Birdman’s contract.
Favors+Outlaw+Hump+Hayes for Melo+Birdman. I don’t think Nets fans would like that except King could reduce to one 1st round pick instead of two.
(4.13+7+3.2+(2.4?)) = 16.73 for (17.15+4.5)=21.65
Hayes would be the deal maker in the above trade (Uzoh might have to be waived first) so that Nets wouldn’t have to part with someone valuable.
I wondered from the first day why Nets signed Graham.
I think I was correct to wonder.
My current opinion was that Nets just thought he was at “bargain price” which is probably true.
Nets paid bottom price for a slightly above bottom player at a position Nets have excess.
This is awful
If they sign this guy because they plan on trading all of their bigs this is insane.
King has got to wake up if all of this is true.
I really hope this is all speculation and the Nets are going to come forward really soon and tell us Favors is off of the table.
We could all get some sleep at night. lol
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Section 3f Row AA.
Maybe Nets could include Petro in deal after Dec. 15 and Barron would be the Nets new backup.
I am convinced that everything Billy King is doing is predicated on a trade for Melo. He has to think that way.
I also believe Nuggets want Nets to take back a bad contract like that of Birdman, which could be a holdup.
Petro isn’t “that bad”. He was a Nugget.
Worse that Gallo is shooting well.
His value had plummeted.
Yeah and If Outlaw hit one of those two shots maybe
we would have been 3-1.
Even though I would be happy to see the Knicks lose, see the Bulls fail is also sweet.
People automatically put the bulls in the playoffs this year but forget they got in with 41-41 record and few other teams were on their tails.
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people should get a grip
just because HoopsWorld suggests, without citing a source, that the Nets are among six teams interested in Barron shouldnt lead to rampant speculation that this is a precursor to some trade.
Are the other five teams also looking to Barron because they are considering a trade? Relax. It’s nothing more than teams looking at a vets minimum player who like Boone, Hayes and Hassell cant find work.
Man if we had Rudy Gay we would be set
Him signing the extension set us back, he’s the type of player we need a guy who can drop 20 in his sleep big and athletic, something Outlaw was suppose to be.
oh come on
He was an RFA and Memphis stupidly offered him the max. Our record never entered into it.
by calling all toasters on Nov 4, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Shooters are always overpriced
Good D and rebounding are generally bargains.
by calling all toasters on Nov 4, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
but it's better to overpay Gay when it only costs money
than to ship off Favors for an older model.
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He's making almost 20 million per year
No thanks
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 4, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it's better than shipping off Favors for Carmelo.
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More importantly in my opinion
There’s been talk about an Apple Store opening in Brooklyn, and more specifically, Atlantic Yards has been mentioned.
This goes back quite a few months, but today the official job posting in Brooklyn on Apple.com went live.
Interesting…
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
What is wrong with Tom T????
Why didn’t he bring in Rose, Noah, etc when they were down by just 9?
Horrible horrible coaching lol
Knicks are so lucky.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
Bench players can spark a run, but rarely can they close a game
Things get much tighter in the last 3 minutes.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 5, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Listen to Randy
Morrow does not move well without the ball, I would like to see him put the ball on the floor and shoot off screens.
by Zartan on Nov 5, 2010 12:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's actually very simple........
Bye,Bye Slopez……Favors is a Keeper……..Lopez , whom I believe Denver wanted ,and is “Untouchable” is now touchable…….He just doesn’t grasp the concept of NBA toughness and never will……..So , Lopez and a Pick and other parts(TWILL,I Hope not) go to Denver and we keep Favors…Barron becomes our Center………Anthony becomes a Net and teams up with a future Superstar named Derick favors……
THIS to Randy
I don’t think that Lopez will ever learn to stop doing that stupid stuff…..
Granted Lopez needs to learn to pass out of the double, but
some blame has to go towards the guards too.
1) they have trouble realizing that Lopez is battling for position in the post. When they realize it it is too late and they swift to the other side of the court.
2) When they do realize that lopez is in the Post, they have trouble passing him the ball in the post.
3) the guards also dont angle themselves after they pass the ball in the post. The defender doubling is always blocking the passing lane.
Yeah Lopez needs more time to learn to pass out of the post but the some blame needs to go to the other players too and ultimately to the Coach.
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this is on Avery
While they’re watching film he needs to rip Brook for trying to go 1 on 4, and then tell the shooters to stop standing there like their feet are stuck in cement and give him something to pass too
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm?
Melo? Not for my Favors!
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by NetsMets4Life on Nov 4, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
"So , Lopez and a Pick and other parts(TWILL,I Hope not)"
I hope that part was sarcastic.
Melo? Not for my Favors!
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by NetsMets4Life on Nov 4, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you didnt say that
NetFan48 did.
Melo? Not for my Favors!
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by NetsMets4Life on Nov 4, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Is trade Lopez for Melo
We would have to bring in Nene.
by Zartan on Nov 5, 2010 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol
I’m speechless. You’ve seen Lopez grow and become a premier player in the NBA for 2 years, and Favors for 4 games, and you want to trade the much more proven one,a nd second best center, yet keep the one who could still be a bust. WOWWW
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah me 2 I think a lot of fans are still upset
3-1 would have been a big difference, he is just obviously more a part of the problem than solution and those guys shouldn’t be starting or playing big minutes, those past injuries have really affected him greatly.
How about ....
We add Outlaw to the Lopez deal to Denver and take back another player ?
Ha
Funny thing is, I mentioned that we should do this trade last summer in order to have a trade chip for Melo. But everyone seemed to have this forgone conclusion that Melo would stay in Denver. I guess all of us dreamed of LeBron, including myself, but this would’ve been perfect. We may even still have Courtney Lee because Beasley makes Murphy unnecessary. I believe my trade proposal at the time was Beasley and Lee for Melo.
by imdkidd on Nov 5, 2010 8:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sign this guy!
Petro has nothing, never had anything, bad signing. Joe Smith has nothing left in the tank. I’d sign Barron, based on what he showed last year for the Knicks. He’s a blue collar kind of player, and he’ll fight like hell to stay in the league. But we don’t trade LOPEZ, that’s just nuts. Sure he makes some mistakes, but he is still so young, and he really has a nice offensive game. GO NETS! GO TO SLEEP? Did you folks see any of the Knick game? Gallo seems to have broken out of his slump, and Toney Douglas rocks.
Paul from Delray Beach
It was still a bad signing when everyone knows beforehand that he's gonna be terrible
Because how many career disappointments really magically to gold just because you want them to?
The Nets have a theory
“if you want someone to improve,pay them more.” Test cases: Petro and Outlaw.
by calling all toasters on Nov 5, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it was Thorn’s choice— rumor mill said Avery wanted them. Thorn DID choose Favors, tho.
by calling all toasters on Nov 5, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
but who offered him one year, net income? if josh boone couldn’t get a deal there is no way in hell johan petro should get 3 years 10 million…. that is absurd. petro is not that much better the boone at all. they both should not be in the nba.
rod thorn did his best to hurt the nets before he left. it is obvious based on the contracts he gave out.
well
the Outlaw deal was horrific.
I would be fine with 3 years, 21 mil with a team option for a 4th. That 5 years stuff is insanity and it’s quickly becoming one of the worst contract signings of the past 5 years.
Outlaw would be fine if he can off of the bench and gave us shooting. But asking him to start, and defend starting small forwards is utter stupidity.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Boone is *better* than Petro
But he must have done something to tick them off, I guess.
by calling all toasters on Nov 5, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Boone is not better than Petro
if Boone could hit FT’s he would be. But the fact that he cant hit FT’s make him a liability and it makes him shy away from contact
Josh is a good kid, but we’re fine w/ Petro
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah that's the only thing I didn't get
I could care less about Petro’s contact, like NI said it’s peanuts and only 3 years, but I don’t at all understand why they didn’t bring Boone back. Unless they think Petro has some hidden upside, but in that case why aren’t they playing him?
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I dont know about that.
I agree contract isnt great but
Petro – 09-10 – 12min – 3.4pts 3.6rbs 53.5 FG% 66.7 FT%
Boone 09-10 – 16min – 4.2pts 5rbs 52.5 FG% 32.8 FT%
WoW!!! I dont know if I can say Boone is Better. Stats wise seems even except of course… Head wise. Petro seems way more confident then Boone.
Petro is in a new system. Avery is still trying to figure out things.
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Stats say...
Boone is still better. Per 36 minutes: 2 fewer PF, 0.5 fewer TO. Boonie has a much higher shooting % over his career— Petro had by far his best shooting % last year, but in only 435 minutes. Over their careers, Boonie shoots .070 better, which is a huuuuge difference.
Total it all up, and Boonie has .097 win shares per 48 (league average = .100) and Petro has .038 (equal to Yi last year).
To put in another way, on a per minute basis, Boone outproduces Petro as much as Boozer outproduces Boone.
Melo + Iverson = greatest team ever!
by calling all toasters on Nov 5, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
it was just an all-around bad signing
1) Too much money
2) We now don’t have a functional backup C
3) WTH? Boone was better anyway!
by calling all toasters on Nov 5, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
+2
its amazing that our front office has actually seemed to have gotten worse from the Thorn days.
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Relax guys...
Four games, new team, new system etc…
At least wait for the 25 game mark before throwing players into the thrash can…
"Reality is wrong. Dreams are for real"
Tupac Shakur
I'm not worried about them picking up the system
I’m worried about them thinking Petro is a major upgrade over Boone and Outlaw is an upgrade over anything.
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Boone sucked, and that along with his lazy attitude ...
is the reason the Nets dumped him. Boone had plenty of time with the Nets to convince them he was a keeper. Has anybody signed Boone yet?
Here is Outlaw a few months ago. Notice that Outlaw is a player that needs to be set up. Get him the ball and he will produce…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYWS48MnKgM
"Reality is wrong. Dreams are for real"
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Gina
Boone didn’t give the Nets much reason to retain his services and the fact that he isn’t on a roster isn’t a ringing endorsement for him either.
Outlaw is cheeks though
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Petro didn’t give them ANY reason to sign them. He is a complete lox. Boone at least could put a body on an opposing C and was effective on putbacks. Now we have zip at that slot.
Melo + Iverson = greatest team ever!
by calling all toasters on Nov 5, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
what scares me is Avery seems to believe he is some NBA fairy godfather
who could magically turn around players’ careers. How many borderline players with one foot out of the league had been signed by the Nets this year? Avery might as well be playing the MegaBall because they odds of striking gold with any one of these retreads is nil.
Outlaw is the new Yi - just with more money and longer contract without the 7.2 rebounds and occasional shooting streak.
what scares me is rather than bringing in a real gm, with a strong basketball mind, to
build a strong front office. We’ve basically given Avery the reigns and brought in his yes man.
That being said I don’t think we’ve signed many borderline players, in fact I’d be happier if we had rolled the dice on cheap players with upside. The only bad contract I think we’ve handed out was too outlaw and I don’t think that was because Avery thought he could fix them, I think the only explanation for that was a either a scouting breakdown, or total lack of scouting, and assuming he was the same player he was 2 years ago rather than looking at recent post injuries tape. Basically going after him based on his reputation and not actual recent performance.
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you;ve also got to put the outlaw signing in context time wise
at the time, nets were worried about reaching the minimum team salary requirements. i think outlaw lucked out a bit and got a windfall after almost every free agent we targeted became unavailable.
imagine something extremely witty here
yeah but there were other options on the market
we could have signed multiple guys for the same price
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maybe we could have
but maybe not. that’s second or third level GM role playing – it assumes a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that we might not have known about. also, it’s easier to justify after the fact (monday morning QB’ing). but at that time, who knows what was going on.
it did seem like there was a sense of panic when we moved from Plan A to B to C to D
imagine something extremely witty here
I'm wondering though
had we known about James and his Miami plot we could have pounced on Rudy Gay from the get go and offered him a ridiculous frontloaded deal.
Gay has come into this season in shape and is playing like a beast. If we had him I would definitely pencil us in to the playoffs
Memphis acting fast hurt us worse than anything else.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe, but we didn't know until 3 or 4 days after our presentation
according to bobby marks. too late by then.
but yeah….if we had gay…wow
and in all honesty, i was skeptical about signing him. but shoot, we’d be rolling for a decade with that team (and no worries about trading my fave, D Fave)
imagine something extremely witty here
yeah
and we could have flipped our assets to address other areas of need
If Jay Z and Lebron were that tight, he should have informed the Nets asap about what was going on. We could have kept quiet and then went right for Gay.
We might have dropped the ball, but who knows really.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
???
Farmar? Morrow? Even Outlaw would have been signed by someone(not for 5 years though). I can’t agree with this assessment. These guys are all roleplayers. We need a starting SF and SG definitely but these guys can prove to be useful along the way.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
i like farmar and morrow. and while i’m not loving outlaw now, i do think he could find a role on the team and bring some value. agreed on the 5 yrs is to much idea, but i don’t think it’s going to be an extremely onerous contract going forward.
imagine something extremely witty here
People were calling Favors a bust two weeks ago...
Now there calling Outlaw a bust after four games…
"Reality is wrong. Dreams are for real"
Tupac Shakur
well
expectations for Outlaw were a lot higher.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Great point
Lets see what this team looks like after 20-25 games.
I havent been happy with his performance either, but then my question to everyone is where is Twill in all of this? He should be taking those mins…..
T-Will has actually taken more shots then Outlaw...
So has Farmar…
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T-Will had a decent game the other night but picked up too many fouls
some of which were suspect calls.
But he needs a boot to the behind. Go to the rack and draw contact dude you’re not old and you’re the most explosive athlete on the team next to #14
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
at least
he only had two TO’S
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I guess hes a disappointment
if your expectations was a 15-6-5 guy. I expect more out of him, as well, but the fact that he really cant shoot puts a limit on his contributions. Its hard for a 2 guard in this league if he cant hit a jumper in order to give him the ability to have space and take it to the hole.
Also he only had 2 TO’s….how many mins did he play Aunt B. Hes a turnover machine right now. Perhaps hes trying to do too much.
it's also hard when his skill set
as far as playing guard goes is extremely close to devins. I don’t really see how they can play together when neither can shoot and both need the ball in their hands.
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I see
where your coming from…he needs to do the basics instead of trying to make Sportscenters’ top 10 plays of the day…
I’m biased on this subject anyway. I followed his college career, I know what T-Will is capable of.
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Lets just grab Boone back
Played good D and was active on the boards and putbacks.
by Atronic on Nov 5, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It's 1:34am
its a new day
Outlaw has old man feet
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It was/is...
Look at your hero Gallanari… He was playing worse then Outlaw, then broke out last night. I just hope for your sake, you guys don’t invest in the stock market…
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How come no one is picking on Morrow?
He’s has not been exactly on fire either.
Outlaw helped us win that game against the Kings…
T-Will has played very poorly at times also.
I guess we need someone to replace Yi as our new whipping boy…
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because shooters being hot/cold is normal
and something that works itself out over a large enough sample size.
The concerns with Outlaw have nothing to do with his shooting, at least for me, it’s how slow an unathletic he looks. a major reason Outlaw was supposed to hahve so much value was his athletiscm allowed him to play in multiple systems at multiple positions, he could play pf when the team wanted to run for example, and to be a strong defender on the perimeter. So far it looks like his athletiscm is completely gone and now he’s a somewhat above average shooter, no where near the elite shooter Morrow is, who’s a complete liability on defense. That’s not someone you give a 5 year contract too and play regularly.
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All you Outlaw haters should watch this video and read the comments from fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Se1o2bzoos
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I don't think you're understanding the point
that was Outlaw BEFORE the injuries.
The Outlaw now is a completely different player physically.
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This is Outlaw after his injury...
Maybe the injury has him playing more cautiously, but he did take a physical with the Nets and he is barely 26 years old. Give him some time…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYWS48MnKgM
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why can't dude jump
anymore
i guess gina would say this is pre-injuries.
imagine something extremely witty here
yeah he was a monster athlete before the injuries
it’s why teams always thought he could develop into an at least above average scorer. And his defense made him valuable enough to keep around even if his shot wasn’t falling.
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exactly
I’m with you
His shooting IMO has been fine. He’s hitting 45% from three. That’s what we need from him. But he clearly cannot start and put into positions like he was against Charlotte.
Avery is not blind. He clearly can see that Outlaw cannot move. Don’t put him out there against animals like Lebron James and Gerald Wallace and expect us not to get trashed
I take a gamble and see how Damion James responds to starting. If he can get his long range shot going then I’d prefer to have an aggressive defender at the 3 like James.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
No B.S.
I heard Outlaw broke his foot last November paying defense…
Kind of ironic…
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LMAO
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This was assuming that Outlaw was healthy
he’s clearly not. You don’t run like that unless something is one. I’m not sure about the extent of his previous injury/surgery but this guy is can no longer move in a manner that will help him or this team at this level of play
His shooting still can be a positive factor for us in the long run but it’s just expensive to have 7 mil on the cap every year for a bench player, which is what he will become as we acquire more talent on the wing or if Damion James develops properly.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Dear Dr.DollarBills...
I know you play a doctor on NetsDaily but if Outlaw was physically damaged, we probably would of heard about it by now. I think he’s kind of lost at his new position and is deferring to his new teammates…
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They’ve all looked lost at times…still a new system with a lot of tweaking to do.
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yeah
it has nothing to do with being lost with Outlaw, this is a physical issue.
We’re busting on him obviously since someone had to fill the role of the team pariah this season but I don’t dislike him. I like his shot from three a LOT. But he’s too much of a liability.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
and another thing about the other night
He screwed up by rushing that last shot when we had two wide open shooters standing there waiting for the ball. But he had the confidence to take those shots. I like that. So I won’t be worried about him on the floor on offense with 3.6 seconds left and we need a 3 to tie.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a part
of this team for now…it’s up to the coaches to find a way to use him to the best of his abilities.
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YEP
We’re stuck with him, so we might as well embrace him as a Net and hope that the coaches can use him where he can excel
Which imo is coming off of the bench, not having to defend elite level perimeter players, and stretch the floor
not that lopez would pass him the ball if he was open lol
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
this
i see him bringing the most value as a scoring punch off the bench.
then, instead of being a weak link getting starter minutes, we have depth and energy all night
that assumes D James is ready, or we somehow bolster the 3 (cough, cough)
imagine something extremely witty here
I want to see james get 20 minutes
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Outlaw didn’t force the Nets to sign him…
The Nets knew what kind of player he was. He played over 400 NBA games…Let AJ and his coaches figure it out…That’s what they get paid to do.
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i also get the feeling
that players are playing in ‘audition mode’ to a certain extent. that’s a natural part of the newness of things. once avery sussess it all out, everyone will have a more defined role.
you can see the huuuge advantage that teams who have played together for years and years have.
imagine something extremely witty here
look at Boston
first night of the season they looked like a well oiled machine while Miami looked baffled on how to play w/ each other.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Team chemistry
and I’m including the coaches in this equation also…it may be December before we finally see some continuity to this team.
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this
playing in the system longer isn’t going to make him more agile.
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Outlaw is not an acrobat...
He is a jump shooter who can take it hard to the rim on occasion. He is not an elite defender or a great play maker, or a great ball handler.
He is a shooter…Everybody has known this for years…
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this is just untrue
he WAS an elite defender. Teams didn’t keep him around because he could shoot, because he’s a decent shooter not an excellent one. They kept him around because he could knock down a shot on offense and then contribute heavily on defense. And if you watch old Outlaw tapes he was an acrobat, he was a beast athletically, which helped cover up some of his other flaws on the offensive end because he could run when a team wanted to run and get to the rim when he had an opening, obviously he wasn’t Kobe but he could do it consistently enough to stay useful. He was kept around because he had multiple useful skills that made him a great glue guy and a useful cog you could send out with nearly any rotation.
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Elite Defender... When? September 2008 NBA scouting report...
Defense: A solid defender who needs to recognize that he has all of the physical tools to be an elite defender. Has the length and lateral quickness to be a menace on the perimeter, but has only been to take advantage of that in small doses. Is largely inconsistent with the things he shows on the defensive end. Follows up one great play up with a terrible one, blocking shots and getting steals, but also falling for fakes and taking some possessions off. Isn’t always very aggressive when defending the perimeter. Doesn’t get low in his stance will let slower players beat him off the dribble periodically. Won’t give up a lot of penetration when he’s giving a good effort. Has the length to contest shots and the quickness to close out shooters effectively. Can be a force when he’s fully tuned in thanks to his awesome physical tools. Will get an occasional steal or block. Tends to largely let the game come to him, not always following the scouting report or displaying good fundamentals. Rebounds at a solid rate by virtue of his athleticism. Has all kinds of potential as a defender. Needs to recognize what an added measure of defensive intensity and awareness could do for his value as a role player.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Travis-Outlaw-3837/#ixzz14QwsOLKf
http://www.draftexpress.com
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um this is kind of exactly what I was talking about
Has the length and lateral quickness to be a menace on the perimeter,
Has the length to contest shots and the quickness to close out shooters effectively. Can be a force when he’s fully tuned in thanks to his awesome physical tools.
he no longer has the lateral quickness, or the quickness to block out defenders. he was brought in because of his physical tools, which no longer seem to exist.
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but maybe the right role will
accentuate his strengths and mask some of his weaknesses.
imagine something extremely witty here
the only role that would do that
would be in morrow’s role, which would be hard to do with morrow here. That’s kind of the point, he was signed to fill one role, instead his lack of athleticism is going to limit him to filling a role we’re already paying a superior player to fill. You can’t have two none defense playing pure shooters playing significant starting minutes.
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disagree
watch him run and move laterally. Maybe he isn’t full recovered yet. I have been saying this since the preseason that he doesn’t look right.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t he have to take a physical?
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yeah
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh "something is wrong"
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The Nets have plenty of coaches
and team medical personell who could and would notice if Outlaw was not physically right…They would not be playing him if he was not right…I have never heard any media reports that mention anything wrong with Outlaw since coming back from his injury…
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he may be healthy
but his ability to move has been clearly compromised.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
this
you can be healed and still be a completely different player
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Are you hinting that
Outlaw has been abducted by aliens…LOL
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Mr $$$$$....You may be onto something here....
It sure looks like Outlaw may be hitting the Bottle before the game…?
my amateur vote is to agree w/ mike here
there are a lot of guys that look like they’re struggling at times. new coach, new teammates, new offensive and defensive gamplans.
outlaw, morrow, murph, and down the line.
there seems to be a lot of thinking going on. hopefully, once everyone gets comfortable the instinctual part of the game will take over and we’ll be able to see it in how players ‘move’, shoot with confidence, play defense and rotate etc.
i hope anyway
imagine something extremely witty here
I'm telling you
his bad defense the other night was NOT because of a lack of comfort.
Watch him run, jump, and play defense in this next game. You’ll see what I’m talking about.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe he's trying
to do too much…who knows, maybe the warm Florida weather will supple up his muscles…
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Outlaws....Nickname....
Should be “OTIS”……The town drunk on the Andy Griffith show……He plays like he has been drinking……..I used to play open rec with this kid who would drink a 24-pack before we played ball…..But he was still way better than outlaw…..
That's funny...
I thought liquor loosened you up…he seems stiff to me?
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what we're saying is that Morrow/Murph
look like they’re rusty/learning the system.
Outlaw looks nonathletic, it’s completely different things. Learning the system isn’t going to improve your lateral movement or ability to jump.
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until like 5 minutes ago I thought this said Earl Watson
if signing this dude means we’re releasing Joe Smith I’m adamantly against it.
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pointless signing imo
Joe Cool needs to be here.
Having professionals like Murphy and Smith are crucial for team development.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 5, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Earl Smith?
Outlaw is the new Yi - just with more money and longer contract without the 7.2 rebounds and occasional shooting streak.
I usually stand firm in my beliefs....but....
After watching Outlaw play in these last four games….(This is really hard for me to get out now)…….I’d rather have my In-Laws……..(Ouch !!!!…I can’t believe I just said that)…….
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