Ex-Nets Have Hard Time Forgetting
by Net Income on Nov 28, 2010 10:43 PM EST
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PrintThe Nets now have six wins, half of what they achieved last season, but no one has forgotten, particularly general managers. Seven former Nets have found work, but three --Jarvis Hayes, Rafer Alston and Trenton Hassell-- never latched on with NBA teams. Josh Boone is in China, Sean Williams is in the D-League and Bobby Simmons is home after being cut so the Spurs could sign Chris Quinn.
Jonathan Abrams talks to several of the ex-Nets as well as Rod Thorn and Kiki Vandeweghe, who disagree on the stigma attached to 12-70. There's no doubt in Keyon Dooling's mind however. "A lot of good players are without jobs because of that whole stigma." Abrams also reveals Avery Johnson gave Courtney Lee a choice between staying and going.
- Shadow of Losing Season Follows Former Nets - Jonathan Abrams - New York Times
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I never liked Courtney Lee or his weak game. This confirms it even more. He is nothing but a bench player and I much rather have Morrow than him. Funny the team he went to has a worse record than the team he left right now. Chump.
Weak minded ball players is one thing that haunts this league. Starting at the top with Lebron. A real player would say “I want to be part of the rebuilding so we can erase that memory, I want to gt back at the teams that beat us and laughed” not these players, they want to run away and hide. Everyone wants instant gratification.
C. Lee sucks
I was watching the Houston game a couple nights ago, and he was bricking everything,. even FTs.
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by AC24 on Nov 28, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I laugh
every time i look at Houston’s record
Lee is a douche, period.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lee bricking shots?
what’s new?
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He used to be solid in his rookie year...
It’s been downhill since that missed layup in the NBA finals
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Put C.Lee back on Orlando
and hes solid, but we all caught up that Shaq said he would be a “star, star, star”. Stupid Shaq
if you had a choice of staying or leaving
what would you chose? most people would chose a new start
who would of thought houston would be struggling so much
courtney lee cant shoot threes and his jumper is decent at best
It WAS a new start with the Nets
The fact he didn’t see that makes me extremely happy we don’t have that BBIQ around here anymore.
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he was a malcontent
the difference between Lee and CDR is that CDR couldn’t keep his mouth shut, but CDR was glad to be here initially and wanted to win games. Lee NEVER wanted to be here and we can assume that the stuff Dwight said prior to last season was true
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's not what I meant
C Lee has messed up multiple times in clutch situations this year for the Rockets. Whether it was running out of bounds with 0.6 seconds left or missing important free throws
weak minded
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by TinySarabia on Nov 28, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
no he isnt
stupid yes. he got con’d by his friends and he stuck to his decision. But weak he is not.
they can
some coaches make all the difference. Spoelstra cannot get the job done, but Riley can
Good for the rest of the league
its their problem, but spoelstra is not cut out for a championship coaching
Um Riley is a REALLY tough coach
Lebron wants a push over. Apparently Spoelstra yelled at him during practice for joking around and not being serious enough, and Lebron is pissed about it.
He’s a child.
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sounds like Jason Kidd imo
wanted a push over coach, and started acting like a see you in TV when push over coach was engaging in epic fail
the lack of manhood I’ve seen from NBA players post 1998 is astounding.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
If NBA operated by NFL rules in regards to contracts
the men would be seperated from the boys REALLY quick.
Soft play, dudes crying because their coach yelled at them, dudes not taking their jobs seriously. It’s a disgrace.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
eh you see it in the NFL too, not as much thought but
I think it has less to do with contracts and more to do with NFL players having to go through college for multiple years where their scholarships aren’t guaranteed, and the fact that it’s a lot harder for one player to dominate a game than in other sports, I mean qb probably has a much bigger impact than any other position but if he pisses off his linemen with a diva attitude he’s going to spend a lot of plays getting the crap beat out of him, and usually the other positions are readily replaceable.
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I mean by all accounts Jordan is a massive prick
but he’s smart enough to keep it confined on the court. Which I think is the issue with some of today’s younger stars, a lot of them basically have had things handed to them, or just jerky actions overlooked, because of their talent.
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Jordan was King Douche
yet, he still carried himself better than James
although this is a different era. Jordan would have probably had his reputation destroyed a lot quicker now.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're right
but put it this way, would Terrence Williams continue to show up late and behave like a child if he could be cut like how NFLers are?
on a side note, holy crap @ Andre Johnson beating the mess out of that dude yesterday. That was a solid beating.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
no one deserves it more than cortland finnegan
except maybe brett favre.
but I mean Haynesworth acts like that now. And we could cut Williams not and face virtually the same loss an NFL team would, since he would have gotten a signing bonus as a rookie we’d be responsible for. I doubt he’s made enough money, or by most accounts spent it properly, to be able to afford never getting a contract after this one. Or getting suspended without pay by the team.
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I'm honestly surprised
that he’s the only player on the Titans to get their ass beaten like that during a game. Those guys play dirty as hell. I’m sure his temple and the back of his head are singing a painful song to him this morning.
You’re right about Haynesworth
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Never liked Finn
but they win games sometimes off of toughness alone there line was playing amazing in the beguiling of the year and they intimidate people
they made the Giants lose composure in the game that we played against them
Andre Johnson lost his composure, and it was beautiful to see. Sometimes, I don’t care what sport it is, some guys need to get hands put to them for acting up.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of Lebron have you guys seen this mash up
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
pretty much agreed
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didnt know about that
But spoelstra has a funny face very difficult to take him seriously
by SunilP on Nov 29, 2010 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
right about what?
he can build them a front court or point guard out of thin air.
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
is he hard on Lebron?
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
when? how?
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
why would u have a gm that is a legendary coach?
every coach who goes there has to worry if i mess up, will he step down and take my job
Lebron is weak minded, and a child at that
only a weak minded individual would BUMP his head coach out of disrespect.
I’m honestly glad he’s going to cancer up Miami. After seeing that, i want James or his ilk nowhere near this franchise
how do you bump your coach? You do that to a dude walking by you in the street you’d better be ready to put your hands up
and people really had a problem with Terrence knocking the crap out of James? really?
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Will Carmelo or Chris Paul behave like that?
These stars in the NBA, save a few, behave like absolute idiots
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry dude
But that is the matality of youth today. That’s based on a study I read in WSJ.
by Zartan on Nov 29, 2010 5:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
brains are wired differently
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry dude
But that is the mentality of youth today. That’s based on a study I read in WSJ.
by Zartan on Nov 29, 2010 5:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's not just the youth today
its the way amateur basketball in general is set up. Most of these kids go to pro factory prep schools at ages as young as 14 and never play with anything but other elite prospects. There’s practically nothing amateur about amateur basketball anymore. So a lot of them never really experience losing unless they go to college multiple years, and with so many straight to high school or one and done they don’t.
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Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
exactly
I respect players that will stay and work hard, instead of sissies that cry because they get traded from a contender to a rebuilding team
be glad you have a paycheck, you buffoon
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
i'm also am glad we have brandon morrow this year....
o wait his names not brandon?? someone tell espn. what a joke.
and as i post this someone changed it. espn had "brandon morrow" scoring 14 for us tonight. nvm lol.
HEY.....
Nice solid win over a good team, tonight !!
Time to start making the home court a fortress.
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Embrace the newness.
JJ for 3!
They didn't get jobs because they aren't NBA players...
A d-league team would have beaten us last year..
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Chris Quinn got a job
his team has 14 wins already. Chris Quinn is the same player he was last year. These players were role players forced to be on a rebuilding team with no coach. Thats why they are out of a job
it is true these players can't get jobs because of last year
for example just recentley I was shocked to see Jason Collins still playing for the Hawks this year. And look at Miami as I remember Bobby Simmons, Alston, Hayes, Hassel were all looked at Miami yet they chose Juawn Howard, Ilgauskas, and Eddie House to fill those roles because they were known to be on winning teams.
You can’t tell me that Jarvis Hayes would not be a better option than Eddie House or Josh Boone would be a worse option than big Z in this point of their careers.
Look at Brian Scalerbrine. He was a terrible player and would of been out of the league if the Nets were a losing team rather than coming off a playoff run. That playoff run got him a good contract from Boston.
if you are reffering to
Scal got signed by the Bulls bc of Thib, but Thib likes Scal bc he was on Bostons winning teams. Scal contributed so little yet the gm of the bulls agreed to sign him. winning does matter.
I’m sure Lawrence Frank likes Trenton Hassel or Jarvis Hayes but hes not going to convince the gm to sign him after last year
I disagree with premise of article. The players themselves mainly deserve the blame.
Alston was given another chance and he was kicked off the team. Can’t blame Nets.
Bobby Simmons couldn’t make it as the 15th man on the Spurs. He was given a chance and Failed on his own.
Sean Williams couldn’t even stay on the roster of an Israeli team. He was kicked off the first D-League team he was on as a Net.
Josh Boone has his FT shooting to blame or else he would still be in NBA.
Kiki has a legitimate grievance however. If anything, he would be a better GM after his experience as a coach.
but look around the league
even on the Nets a guy like Joe Smith has a job while Trenton Hassel doesn’t. Both are considered leaders at the end of the line. Joe Smith played on the Hawks last year while Hassel on the Nets
Joe Smith was brought in to teach Favors, or else he would be unemployed.
The NBA is a tough place. There are lots of decent players without jobs.
Hassell might have a beef, but with another team he wouldn’t have been given the PT that he was on Nets.
Hassell doesn’t have a legit solid position. He is a poor man’s 2, 3 or 4 (has post moves).
Jarvis Hayes clearly slowed down last year.
Yep; He should have a Darts game at home with Yi as the target.
I was saying all along last season that Hump deserved more PT than Yi, but instead Kiki insisted on playing Yi by 2:1 over Hump.
It drove Hump crazy and he tried too hard, to prove Kiki wrong, for over 1 month.
Nets may still own the rights to Jarvis Hayes.
Could it be that Hayes is reluctant to take a small contract abroad because he might be used as a “throw in” for salary purposes on a future trade? He was almost included in the first Melo trade. Maybe get $2.4 million.
I feel so bad for some of those guys.
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you feel bad for Bobby Simmons? really?
I wish I could have made 10 million dollars before taxes last year wearing a nice suit and twiddling my thumbs on an NBA bench
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not all of them
Hassel is a defensive specialist who would have had a job and would be the only person affected by last years stigma. Because teams and GM’s would also factor in his age.
Hayes has a questionable health but he should get a job.
Others are not NBA caliber
Hassel is a defensive specialist
He’s not good enough at defense to specialize in it.
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they are playing at a high level
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by TinySarabia on Nov 28, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hibbert
"Mozgov is a phenomenal talent" - duhmecca
by TinySarabia on Nov 28, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
has anyone watched hibbert this year?
does he have good post moves now or something
right-handed hook shot mainly
jumper at 17 feet, finishes plays at the rim, and hits cutters. Almost 10 rebounds a game and 2.5 block shots. By the numbers he is the second best center now drafted 7 spots after Lopez.
he also
plays like a man.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
There is no next Tim Duncan
Much like no matter how many three point shooting European players come into the league, there will be no next Dirk Nowitzki. No matter how many tall white small forwards who can shoot, there will be no next Larry Bird
there will be no next Larry Bird
Caught some of his college games (and the final against Magic), but he looked like an unskilled, unathletic stiff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rto2_oYVs0I
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Yi is the next Larry Timothy Nowitzki.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Nov 29, 2010 7:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
but he has phenomenal talent!
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by TinySarabia on Nov 28, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
but he has phenomenal talent...
for picking up fouls, turning the ball over and generally looking clueless on a basketball court.
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at least petro can hit jumpers and now he has a hook shot working and a sweet block
petro has been doing alot better lately, plus he rebounds good
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Knicks have Landry Fields to thank for their turn around. No one else.
No mention of Yi?
Has Yi played a season without getting injured?
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vince carter is injured again
rj is averaging 14 ppg
RJ averaging 14 ppg on one of the best teams in the NBA right now
He’s actually played very well this year. He’s hitting 42% of his threes, his fg% is at 50%, and he’s getting to the line 5 times a game
So what, he's doing what they need him to do
He’s their 4th option. How much more can you ask for him when you have Tim Duncan, Manu, and Parker ahead of him?
yes we should have piked him up when he opted out
by RandyOreens on Nov 28, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
RJ is succeeding
because Pop told him that if he didn’t work on his game this summer and learn to fit in better with the team, he would trade him.
it’s easy to say “ooh, this guy is having a decent year and we should’ve brought him in” but the reality is a bit more complicated than that.
oh yeah
he would have chose the Nets over the Spurs and oh yeah, it would have been smart giving a four year deal to a 30 year old.
because he was brought down to earth
this offseason so he has started to realize how he can be useful to a team and doesnt think he can lead. Thats when he can be a good contributor and can play at his best
loving the crowd at the rock
i’m enjoying this place alot i hope we can will the team to a few wins this season, keep up the good work guys!
Section 12 at the ROCK, probably the roof at the Barclays
Nets are 28th in attendance
there were 11,000 people there last night.
Not much change from the IZOD in terms of numbers. In terms of enthusiasm, yes. In terms of raw numbers, very little.
Still not much to sell
You bring in someone like Carmelo, and you’ll have a lot more people there every night.
Let’s face it: Lopez & Harris isn’t going to send the ticket sales through the roof.
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Imagine if Nets had Melo in place of say Outlaw and Murphy this season.
Nets would be about 14-3 with Melo, if you go through game by game.
Of course there would be sellouts every night, with games on National TV like Bulls.
I guess the mass transit issue didn't mean much
Winning over a long peroid is what this team needs for a solid fan base. Melo and “stars” aren’t the answer. Keep Favors and add strong and athletic bigs. After you have them then find a scorer. Loved Avery’s call to have Outlaw on Roy last night. The Czar mentioned his length as a defensive factor. Nothing like knowlegable b-ball people.
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um Roy put up 21 on 9-16 shooting
so I’m guessing his length wasn’t much of a defensive factor. Length doesn’t help that much when guys coming off knee surgeries can still blow by you.
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my grandmother would blow by Outlaw
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I expected that comment from M I K E, not you
LMAO i looked at it too like “uhhh…maybe i shouldn’t have posted that”
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
outlaw did good job on roy i thought
roy did most of scoring in first half
we better resign hump
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Hawks need a true center, not another PF playing center.
And Hawks blew their budget over the summer.
Very interesting article
Gives a good sense of the lingering odor from the last year of the Ratner era.
i can't wait until news outlets stop writing about last year
and announcers saying things like “the nets have are 2-24 against such and such team dating back to 2004…”
has nothing to do with this team, and the future going forward.
also, the article smacks of a sympathy trip for the players marred by last season’s disaster. there were a lot of reason’s for a 12 win season, but a lot of that was because we had a lot of subpar players- many mentioned in the article
imagine something extremely witty here
who's still a long way
from being anything special.
He’s a great prospect but he is not going to contribute much this season. I am increasingly concerned about Lopez’s lack of progress, even regression. Is he still recovering from mono?
You have been the specialist, you should answer your questions...
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Definite regression, but I'm sick of the mono talk
If he’s not back in physical shape, I can understand that. The sheer caloric intake it requires to maintain muscle mass over the course of a season is ridiculous, so I can understand him being less strong.
But physically he has been horrible, and mentally even worse.
Mono isn’t the reason he crouches over the in post to make him extremely small.
Mono isn’t the reason why he can’t hold the ball in one hand, stand tall, and react to the way the defense shifts (double teams)
Mono isn’t the reason he would prefer to just fire up jumpers, than actually use any moves in the post
Mono isn’t the reason he forces up horrible shots even when he’s double and tripled teamed.
There’s a mentally weak component to his game right now, and I don’t know if last season was the cause, or maybe it’s Avery’s system, or possibly his new coach (who made Bosh just as weak).
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I'm not sure how you can say you understand he might not be back physically
and then say mono doesn’t cause those things…um dude, yeah not being back physically WOULD cause all those things. Recovering from the physical effects of mono would slow his speed/reaction time, it would sap his strength and force him to come out of the low post where you need more strength to go to the hole, that has nothing to do with mental weakness. It has to do with physical weakness.
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And once again nearly every road announcer we've had
have made comments about how much weight he’s lost since last year and how much skinnier he looks. And not since last year in October, since last year in like April, to have that drastic of a body composition change in such a short time period would have a huge affect on an average person, let alone a professorial athlete who has to be at peak physical shape to compete.
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I'm surprised Avery or King hasn't addressed this matter.
If would create some sympathy for Brook, instead of criticism.
I don't think you want sympathy for young players
you don’t want young guys feeling like victims, that never results in hard work. Fans criticize him while Coaches build him up by showing him what he does well, at the same time working on weaknesses is best way to go IMO
Mono talk
Kudos eLone — the mono talk is getting tired.
In the off season, Lopez really needs to get his butt on a plane and attend the Pete Newell Big Man Camp. And if he’s attended already, it’s time for a refresher.
Brook has been poor
but we can’t just discount the mono aspect. He is clearly not the same guy that we’ve seen for the past two seasons.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
we cant blame mono cause brook isnt using it as excuse
maybe 18 and 8 reb is his ceiling which aint bad
These players aren't on an NBA roster
b/c they don’t deserve to be. It’s not b/c they were Nets they don’t have work, it’s b/c of there skills or lack there of. Blaming it on the Nets is an easy cop out to help their egos.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
this
the team they were on was 12-70 because of having so many players like them. It’s not like they were just on a 12-70 team and had nothing to do with the record.
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This article is BUNK
And it’s a blatant smear attempt.
The players that aren’t working now aren’t working because THEY STINK. Keyon Dooling has been tossing us under the bus but he cannot pretend that some of these guys would have teams breaking the bank to sign them. He’s delusional. He’s still playing because he’s a GOOD PLAYER. CDR is still playing because he’s young and has talent as a scorer. Lee is playing because he’s young and can defend.
I like Trenton, but he’s too old and his defense wasn’t good enough to warrant paying.
Alston played himself right out of the league.
Bobby Simmons? Jarvis Hayes? Sean Williams?
Josh Boone could still be a productive player in the NBA but he lacks confidence and his game did not improve at all since he was drafted.
Absolute crap. We can toss the previous regime under the bus and rightfully so, but it’s dishonest to act like some of these guys should be playing right now. Bobby Simmons was one of the worst players that I’ve ever seen in a Nets uniform, and I’ve seen some bad ones.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yup lol
Its like me going into a job interview and not getting the job and coming out and say " boy if my last company would have done any better i wouldnt of needed to be better than my competition i would of had that job, Damn you Staples"
yeah
had Hayes and Boone flipped those burgers @ McDonalds a lot better, maybe Burger King would have taken a chance on hiring them.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
it's like guys who bet on junk bonds
complaining that no one wants to hire them.
“The fact that my poor decision making lead to a massive financial crash clearly has nothing to do with my inability to get hired, it’s because my company didn’t protect well enough against my idiocy. damn them!”
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2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
Santonio Holmes: you don't need open field moves when you've got getting away from the cops speed.
perfect analogy!!!
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Kiki is out of work???
So Surprising!
SO Sad!
So Kidding!
HOLLAH!!!!!
by ShawnCarter on Nov 29, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
LOLLLLLLLLL
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 29, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
How could anybody ever forget the time the Nets started
Alston
Hassell
Simmons
Boone
Lopez
Legendary.
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