Game 8 - Nets @ Cavaliers - Wednesday, November 10, 7:30
by Net Income on Nov 10, 2010 5:21 AM EST
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PrintThe Nets have lost five straight, including one to the Cavaliers. The Cavs have won three straight, including one over the Nets. Not a good sign. Here's one though, from Patrick Rees of the Nets' P.R. staff: The Nets have played 28 home-and-homes in their history: They’ve swept four times, been swept five times and split 19 times. So the odds are good, at least historically, that the Nets will bounce back when they play in Cleveland Wednesday.
Problem is that neither Terrence Williams nor Troy Murphy will play due to nagging injuries, according to tweets from beat reporters in Cleveland. TWill still has sore abdominal muscles and Murphy has a sore foot.
Still, for the Nets to stop their loss streak, they're going to have to get Brook Lopez untracked and consistent games from the four three-point shooters they acquired in the summer rather than having one or two succeed while the others can't find the rim.
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"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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as a fan of good photography, that is an awesome photo.
as a nets fan, i’m now depressed.
Agree about the photo—it tells the game story
Disagree about the depression—the season’s just unfolding. Still, two wins in seven games is a 29% win ratio, which would bring the Nets to 23 wins for the season, about what I’ve been expecting.
At least we are not the Miami Heat...
now that would really be depressing….
"Until it ends, there is no end"
yeah, I had us pegged as 35 win team to start the season, but now I realize we are about 20-27 wins
which puts us in the lottery.
Outlaw is the new Yi - just with more money and longer contract without the 7.2 rebounds and occasional shooting streak.
which is fine
I still think that once the team starts to click they can make the 30 win mark or better. Playoffs were always a stretch though
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
If we win
a couple in a row, it’ll be back up to 35, then we lost down to 27. Theres no point in judging a team on 6 games with 11 new faces and a compltely new coaching staff.
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
We'll win tonight
We have no choice. 2-6 is not a good start. These are the games that we should be winning. No need to panic though.
on another note, Travis Outlaw is absolutely on fire from three. Say what you want about him but he’s going to become a very useful weapon for us.
Avery needs to pull all of this together now. Lopez and Harris
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Lol exactly
“Lopez and Harris”
IMO Lopez is playin bad basketball. He doesn’t look comfortable and his shot looks easy to block I guess that’s y he’s been rushing his shot lately
Miami game was a big blow. He got blocked by Wade and the previous game was manhandled by Howard. He played terribly against the very very weak interior of Cleveland
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
Still needs to come of the bench to many loose holes defensively
But he can be our Wilson Chandler or Crawford of the bench
this
the problem is you can’t really afford to have two players like him and Morrow playing regular minutes together. it makes you too weak defensively, especially when you add in Lopez.
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exactly my thinking
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree.
I am not worried that Outlaw would get better. What I am worried about is that the team’s rotation needs to be tweeked quickly.
Outlaw is a liability right now. Morrow cant defend but he is automatic from the 3.
I propose
Harris, Morrow, Twill, Favors, lopez.
Yeah Murphy spreads the floor but this lineup is IMO our better defensive squad.
Then you can bring in
Farmar, Harris/Morrow/Twill, Outlaw/James, Hump, Lopez
Another balanced lineup with defense and offense
Then you can go a little smaller in the front court and still have the lineup balanced
Farmar, james, outlaw, Murphy, Hump/Petro
Even though james isnt a true SG, he can relieve morrow or twill for a bit.
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whats the point?
Favors will pick up 3 fouls in a minute and then it’ll be like Murphy’s starting again
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
and murphy ain't exactly kurt rambis, either
that starting defense is shaky at best.
its a shame that
we haven’t gotten a great look at Damion James yet because we need defense at the three badly
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but his rotations on D, and man to man coverage is horrible
Thats what leads to those open threes
Exactly
Defensive mentality needs to be established first.
Outlaw isnt cutting it at SF. He is letting guys go by him.
Yeah he had a good game and I hope he is more consistent but the defense has to get better.
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his defense is atrocious
he needs to be used in a manner where he is most effective.
The Nets will eventually have to realize that just because he makes 7 mil doesn’t mean that he is capable of starting at SF. He’s not. We are going to get torched at that position and at some point I won’t be able to blame Outlaw and his concrete feet for being put out there to guard Lebron James and Kevin Durant for a majority of the game.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
put him in the 2nd unit
and give him the greenlight from 3 and he’ll be fine.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Since i respect your opinion a lot...
I know most people on here, especially you, preach “patience” and “give players time.” Im just curious though. Dont you think that even with very little chemistry and games played together, this team can still be running simple plays like pick and rolls, backdoor passes / alley oops, give and gos, etc…Doesnt it seem like there is just too much standing around? You dont have to be that talented or experienced to know how to run a pick and roll. Why is there no movement in this offense? I see Favors standing on the baseline with a wide open path to the rim for an alley oop and yet he just stays out on the perimeter or tries to post up even though he has no post moves. Same with TWILL.
by cody1234 on Nov 10, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good chemistry is the foundation for any alley-oop.
And pretty much any play in the majors. I agree with you on give and gos and the pick and roll, but a lot of it has to do with chemistry and trust… Knowing where your teammate is and is supposed go be and that he’s ready and able to catch what you’re throwing… And the other way around. If Favors makes a move towards the basket, is he getting ready for an alley oop or trying to get you a lane? They still need to build chemistry to get anything going. I also think that’s why the offense seems stagnant at times… Avery’s keeping the plays simple and focused for now. Like you said in the start… Patience! Baby steps all over the place.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Nov 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea they have good chemistry...
We see flashes of good chemistry between TWill and Favors. It’s gonna take time for the whole team to gel.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Nov 10, 2010 3:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
during those screens
Derrick needs to be careful to make sure that he keeps his feet planted until the contact is made. One of the Nets biggest problems’ this year are turnovers caused by dumb fouls. I’d like to see a stat showing how many TO’s were caused by someone doing something stupid away from the ball I’d put cash on it being a high %
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
This goes back to last year
Yeah the person setting the pick needs to plant their feet but I think the timing from our guards is off. This has been a bad habit for years. It is getting better this year.
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it goes both ways imo
you have to set your feet and screen, guys get eager and start moving before the guard makes their move.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I just checked NBA.com
They don’t have a comparative Turnover to Doing-Something-Stupid-Away-From-the-Ball statistic.
But they ought to!!
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i know the announcers mentioned avery was trying to call less plays
and micromanage less, maybe that has something to do with it?
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Sure looks like he's not calling plays
They are running around with their heads cut off out there most possessions.
They do a lot of work on the baseline off screens while the PG dribbles the ball for 15 seconds. By the time he passes it, there isn’t any time on the clock and you have to shoot.
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agreed on this
A lot of overdribbling and not enough player movement
You have shooters and bigs that can finish. Move the ball around.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think there is WAYYY too much movement
People are flying all over the place.
Good teams spread the floor, space it out, stretch the defense. Sometimes I look at our offense and I’m like, wow, if the defenders just stand still it would be the same.
The most simple game we need to play is the 2 man with Morrow and Lopez. It’s really really simple. Morrow stands on the corner and feeds the post, Lopez dribbles in, gets doubled and he kicks it back out. Morrow can shoot if open or kick it right back to Lopez who is already even closer to the basket now.
We’re making things really hard on ourselves.
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Yeah Morrow I think needs more pick N Role
Opportunities, as well as Isos, but Brook needs to become more aware of when to pass and when the double is coming, but our players also need to move better without the ball and not just watch.
I totally agree
The most simple game we need to play is the 2 man with Morrow and Lopez. It’s really really simple. Morrow stands on the corner and feeds the post, Lopez dribbles in, gets doubled and he kicks it back out. Morrow can shoot if open or kick it right back to Lopez who is already even closer to the basket now.
but Morrow and Harris suck at passing the ball into the post. They are always angled incorrectly.
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Yeah and the problem is a lot of the dribble i stationary dribble only really Harris
ANd T-will have an elite dribble and quick first step capable of going past anyone.
awesome post bro
I agree with you 100%. I’m rec’ing your post too because I think we all can agree with this
I expected a bit more offensively from Avery. i figure that he’s trying to still see who wants to play and who wants to sit(Outlaw obviously wants to play) but the offensive sets at time IMO appear to be a bit stagnant and they do not exploit our players’ best attributes. Too much standing around. Not enough movement. We need to be hitting Lopez and Favors off in pick and roll or pick and pop offenses.
Aside from your questions:
-Morrow or Outlaw ARE nowhere near Lopez when he catches the ball in the post….WHY? I see Lopez being swarmed and the shooters standing on the other side of the court.
-Where are the pick and rolls? I’d like to see some pick and rolls with Harris/Williams and Lopez/Favors. Pick and pops with Murphy as well.
-Why is Williams not being instructed to attack the rim and draw fouls??
I don’t understand it when I see Favors attempting to post up. First of all, the ball handlers rightfully look in another direction because his offense should come from dirty work buckets and moving without the ball, not posting up. He should be coming off of a pick and roll.
It’s early though so I think he’s trying to keep things simple while the guys develop chemistry but I would like to see the ball move and the players move. Maybe that will also help open things up for Lopez whose confidence has taken a massive hit. I’d also like to see Lopez operate out of the high post as well. Mix it up a bit.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
as far as this
I don’t understand it when I see Favors attempting to post up. First of all, the ball handlers rightfully look in another direction because his offense should come from dirty work buckets and moving without the ball, not posting up. He should be coming off of a pick and roll.
I feel like D’antoni seems to be the only coach who understands if you have an athletic big you don’t need to try and force him to post up everytime. It makes no sense, Van Gundy does the same thing with Howard in Orlando despite the fact there is literally no one who can stop him on the pick and roll.
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it's baffling
I don’t want to call NBA coaches dumb, but IMO it seems far easier to run pick and rolls with players like that instead of sitting there posting them up when it’s not their game.
That’s not to say that Favors will never be able to play with his back to the basket but for now simplify the game.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
But it is part of Favors game to post up.
He might need more touches to get more comfortable but to say it isnt his game I disagree.
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That’s not to say that Favors will never be able to play with his back to the basket but for now simplify the game.
I think he has the potential to have a nice back to the basket game with his ability to hit the short J as well as the righty/lefty hook. Right now though, his role needs to be made as simple as possible
and also, every time he posts up, none of the ball handlers trust him enough to give him the ball down low.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Because you have to draw the defense in
They aren’t actually going to him, except for once or twice a game (good development pace), but you DO need to draw defenders over who will begin to cheat down towards the block.
This enables the ball to swing the other way.
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I mean I understand the idea of wanting to draw defenders in
but at the same time the number 1 goal should be to put points on the board, if you’re more effective running a pick and roll than drawing defenders in and then kicking out to the shooter maybe you should just keep it simple? Cause drawing them in and passing out of the double team clearly isn’t working with our big men currently.
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They did this last night
Favors posted up (didn’t get the ball), drew defenders in, ball swang back around, Favors got an ally-oop dunk.
Wasn’t the pick and roll, but the same type of mentality.
I agree though, would like to see more P&R.
Right now it’s just a ton of screens everywhere, with guys running into each other, and people expending a TON of energy just to get the ball at a place they could’ve dribbled to on their own.
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I think they can do this and pick and roll, gina
but unfortunately our starting guards arent good with court vision whether on the break or half court offense.
Avery needs to change the starting lineup ASAP. Morrow cannot create his own shot at SG. Outlaw is forcing shots. Murphy needs more time. I say we go with a more balanced starting lineup and worry about spreading the floor with the other units.
Harris, Morrow, Twill, Favors, Lopez
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Right on all points!
Now lets see it done
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by Mike Viola on Nov 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not a fan of the shoot 1st PG but i think Harris should play A.I and jack them up. Let Favors and Murphy Rebound. We need a shot blocker! like Vince said, Pez is a PF! this is his skill set. Can’t for the life of me, understand wy
hy these guys are second guessing themselves.
I still don’t mind the Outlaw deal but Petro who i didn’t want, is killing us. these rotations sux. Murphy looks like he’s lost, dude makes zero empact on the game.
he had 11 boards yesterday
and this is basically his training camp. give murphy time.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
I heard Cleveland just named T-Will
an honorary member of the “Rock and Roll Hall of Fame”…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
How Many T-Will Jerseys
Were sold in Cleveland these past few days?
BRING AGENT ZERO To NEWARK/BROOKLYN!!! We Keep FAVORS/BROOK/DEVIN TOO! The JETS/NETS are coming!
thank god i stayed in the Travis Outlaw club
:DDDD
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 10, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions
I hope this is him "figuring it out"
His career is at a crossroads. It’s make or break it time. He can become a functional starter (15-20ppg) or show that he is no more than a bench player. “CLAP, CLAP….. CHALLENGE”
BRING AGENT ZERO To NEWARK/BROOKLYN!!! We Keep FAVORS/BROOK/DEVIN TOO! The JETS/NETS are coming!
D-James should guard Jamison every moment he's in the game
Has the length, strength, and mobility to do so.
Let the kid play
if he screws up, fine, but him being glued to the bench is doing this team a disservice.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
He did a nice move on the baseline last night but got fouled as he was going up.
He definitely gets it. He just needs more PT. He doesnt settle for jumpers like our starting SF.
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James came in and made some impressive moves and then he got benched and replaced by Ross
wtf?
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 10, 2010 12:56 PM EST reply actions
James gotta change his first name to Jesse...
Jesse James…Then he could join the Outlaw fan club and be with the cool cats…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
By the way Toast...
For your loyal dedication and service in the Travis Outlaw fan club, you have been promoted to V.P. of Public Relations…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
LOLLL
what exactly is my job description
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
You will be reporting to the President of Public Relations...
I believe her name is Dot… Talk to aunt-B, she knows Dot well…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
Dippin' Dots icecream?!?
deeelicious
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
btw what is your status in all this
I demand to be your right hand man!
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 10, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
If you knew what my right hand's main responsibilty is...
you wouldn’t want the job….Trust me…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
oh i see
well im straight so ill pass
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 10, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
MIKE is full of one-liners, but this one takes the cake…hands down.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 10, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Make sure it's vanilla
and M I K E want let me join the Travis Outlaw fan club…I guess I’ll have to start a T-Will fan club, I get my first tattoo today!
"She'll let you come just far enough...So you know she's really there"
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Your application is still under review...
We are running a background check with the F.B.I.
Can’t be too careful nowadays…
Tell Dot she did a fine job last night. Travis sends his thanks for the inspirational note Dot left him, before last nights game…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
Mike if you really love your family
let aunt-B in the club right now
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
A little late,
but that’s great news…I’m just leaving the tattoo parlor as we speak with my new “rose” tattoo…You want regret it, i’ll bring brownies to the next meeting.
"She'll let you come just far enough...So you know she's really there"
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What happened to
Shelley? I would hate to have to get your name lasered off of this rose tattoo…
"She'll let you come just far enough...So you know she's really there"
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pls keep this rated PG
my mind is being corrupted D:
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 10, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Matthew 6:3
"She'll let you come just far enough...So you know she's really there"
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Matthew 6:3 (New King James Version)
“But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing”
Amen buddy…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
I didn’t want there to be a conflict of interest…
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That T-Will tattoo you got...
wasn’t a picture of an Apple Turnover by any chance, seeing how much you love baking and how much Terrence. …Nevermind…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
No, it was musk rose
rosa ‘belinda’…They could have used T-Will last night. Hopefully he plays in tonights game, turnovers and all he still makes that second unit competitive. Is there any word on his game time status?
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told you guys that Ross was a useful player.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Has "Brooke"...
…recovered yet from that DHoward thrashing last wk? sigh
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Nov 10, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions
LOL
I advocate calling Brook “Brooke” until he snaps out of it and starts playing like his old self.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
damion james
Is the best most well rounded small forward on this team. Should be playin a lot more, smart player as well which is wat we need
by cdr4prez on Nov 10, 2010 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
low blow
but I agree with his sentiment, James should be given a chance.
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
i really dont get the hate on my name
It was last year wen I signed up for this board and I liked him wats the big deal haha and right now as much as everyone would hate to say it he would be a very useful asset on this team
by cdr4prez on Nov 10, 2010 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Terrence Williams shoulder slammed Lebron LOL
"Nets fans gotta think the glass is half full. too many of us look at it as half empty"
-I says
We wouldn't know what it feels like.
Lakers swept us and Spurs beat us in 6 lol. But yea we should be starving for this W.
Chad Ford Chat:
Fran (new york): Chad, who has been the biggest rookie surprise thus far? Surprise in a good way of course
Chad Ford: I’ve got to concur with my friend David Thorpe. We knew Derrick Favors had big time talent, but he’s surprised all of us with how quickly he’s been able to impact games. I’m still trying to understand how Philly passed on him. He would’ve been perfect there. I think Eric Bledsoe’s played well in the early going as well. He too has a lot of talent, but we thought it might take a year or two.
Andy (Chicago): With Taj Gibson playing great so far, any chance Denver takes back Deng/Gibson/random player/picks/cash for Melo?
Chad Ford: Perhaps … but you have to start to wonder whether Denver blew it when they passed on the change to get Derrick Favors. Melo is going to leave and Favors has the makings of a superstar. The Deng/Gibson combo doesn’t. You would’ve thought that Masai Ujiri would’ve learned his lesson from Toronto about holding onto a superstar too long.
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by eLonepb on Nov 10, 2010 2:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Surpringly
No questions about Lopez as the worst center in the NBA.
:)
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Good to hear a mainstream media member
say that Denver missed their chance to acquire Favors. Heretofore, it’s been, “Favors is still available if Denver wants him.” Rubbish.
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Nah, I'm guessing King would still trade Favors for Melo
By passed on, I think he means passing on a deal that was already negotiated and ready to go, no second thoughts about it
Exactly what I thought
Finally the story turns the other way where Denver missed their chance. Everyone BELIEVES the Nets are do desperate to get Melo, but that’s all conjecture.
Not that I think the Nets wouldn’t still trade him, but getting rid of the “desperation” storyline is all I’ve been asking.
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I seriously think Nets have pulled Favors off the table
Outlaw is the new Yi - just with more money and longer contract without the 7.2 rebounds and occasional shooting streak.
The problem with this team
No drive and dish guys.
Harris is a good driver, but he has a predilection to drive and score it himself.
Farmar is a scorer. Morrow and Outlaw by and large need to be served up.
Please don’t mention TWill as a drive and kick it guy — he’s another drive and score it himself guy.
Nobody on the team has it as his #1 strength to drive and kick it out to a teammate. That is not Melo’s strength, either.
That is something to address next offseason, I presume — if not at the trade deadline.
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How many opposition assists does he have now?
If you add his assists for both teams on the court, he would be one of the league leaders…
"Until it ends, there is no end"
This team needs Deron Williams more than it needs Melo
Sure, we lack a go-to scorer at crunch time, but let’s get real — this team has guys who can put the ball in the basket. Lopez, Outlaw, Morrow … all are guys who have proven they can score 25+ on any given night. What they need is time to put it all together so that they can coalesce, and they need a guy who can serve them all up consistently and steadily. A leader with presence in that area.
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Tom
I would kill to have Deron Williams on this team.
A backcourt of Williams and Williams would be awesome. The problem with the Harris/Williams backcourt is that neither can shoot a lick
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
To change our luck tonight...
I have decided to bet and root for Cleveland…
Watch me lose and win at the same time !
"Until it ends, there is no end"
The cosmic forces know your silly game
They’ve been around for a long time. You aren’t fooling anyone.
This IS Cleveland after all. It’s where those cosmic forces of unending ineptitude were born.
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The problem with the proposed lineup of
Harris, Morrow, Twill, Favors, and Lopez is that it leaves us out there with one legit shooter and Lopez is already having a horrible time dealing with the double and triple teams.
For us to win with that lineup we’d have to play aggressive defense and most of our points would have to come off of turnovers, transition buckets, and aggressive attacks to the rim.
I don’t want to see Williams standing in a corner shooting threes. Put the ball on the floor.
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it seems to be the biggest problem
is a lot of dimensions among players.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
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and duplicating of skill sets
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
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Even though it is too soon, but
after 7 games Twill’s 3pt% is 50%. I am not saying that will last but so far this year he is hitting the 3s.
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After days of thinking…I’ve finally reached a conclusion!
The issue here is chemisTRY
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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Maybe this team should practice without a ball
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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Well boys and girls...
If we all channel our energies together, we can will the Nets to victory ourselves…
But everybody gotta particapte. We can’t leave it up to the coaches and players to win this game on their own…
LETS GO NETS…..
"Until it ends, there is no end"
Well said...
Go Nets!!!
"She'll let you come just far enough...So you know she's really there"
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I didn't think we'd win last night
I actually do think we’ll win tonight.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
same here
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by MrDollarBills on Nov 10, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I am really inspired by Devin Harris's play this year.......
He is the only player as of now who is playing consistently hard and smart…..Some players show it one game and then leave it home…..If we can get all the players to play hard and hustle at one time like other teams are doing against us then we will start winning…..And I must say , I’m quite dissappointed with Avery so far…….
The second unit definitely needs him, even with his turnovers.
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Outlaw and AJ agree.
Outlaw said we missed him because he is a big part for us coming off the bench (Cavs’ bench outscore ours by 37 points.
AJ said not having TWill altered our rotation a lot because he can play multiple positions.
If we don’t win this game, we take a big time blow to our confidence. Losses to teams like Charlotte are unacceptable and while Cleveland is talented, they are very much beatable. These are the kinds of games Avery must enforce as MUST WINS
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
Please please start TWill! I begeth. Morrow/Outlaw can’t play well together and with Murphy starting, shooting is aplenty. Terrence will help this team get off on the right foot and Morrow would be a great sharp shooter off the bench for some time. Later down the road, you look back into maybe starting Morrw/ Terrence together or Morrow with Outlaw
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
Lopez
I made a comment that ian eagle spoke about the scouting report on lopez. About any defender putting a body on him and holdig their ground. If you do that you can force him into a bad shot.
Avery should see this and make it mandatory for one player, depending on whose in, to follow lopez and move to an open lane behind him. After this happens, the message to brook should be pass first. After the defense realizes he is trying to pass first, he can gain position and post up.
I mean his problems are not just from howard…
Last heat game-bosh- bad game
Cavs- side-show bob???-bad game.
Any decent body and he is lost
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Section 3f Row AA.
by Mike Viola on Nov 10, 2010 5:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i think it mattered that Twill didn't start last night
we needed some energy off the bench – and a bucket or two would have helped too.
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