Power Rankings: Slow Rise Up
by Net Income on Nov 1, 2010 1:09 PM EDT
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PrintThe Nets started the season down in the power rankings dumps but Marc Stein, who had them at #27, and John Schuhmann, who had them at #25, have taken notice of their two nail biting wins over the Pistons and Kings (as well as their blowout loss to the Heat) and moved them up to #21. Kurt Helin, who had them at #28 last week, has them at #20 now.
Of the Nets, Stein writes, "Let's let the Nets enjoy the moment for a minute: They're just the fourth team in history to open a season 2-0 after winning fewer than 20 games in the previous season" and the first since Elvin Hayes joined the Rockets in 1968. Schuhmann looks ahead and sees trouble: "10 of their 15 November games are on the road, and three of the home games are against Orlando, Atlanta and Portland. Maybe more important than the Ws has been the play of Derrick Favors, who's averaging a double-double."
In other "rankings" news, Brook Lopez was one of the finalists in the NBA's Player of Week honor.
- Power Rankings: Early unbeatens on the rise - Marc Stein - ESPN
- East contenders provide a fascinating Week 1 - John Schuhmann - NBA.com
- NBA Power Rankings, where the top still looks like last year’s finals - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- Power Rankings: First impressions feeling about a year old - Dave Del Grande - CBS Sports
- NBA Power Rankings, Week 1: Now With Real Basketball, Still Led By Lakers, Heat - Christopher Clark - SB Nation
- Nets' Brook Lopez a finalist for Eastern Conference Player of the Week - Colin Stephenson - Nets Blast
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Fustrating how he refuses to pass the ball out of double teams
by nwkiddnj on Nov 1, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, he seems to get a TO everytime he passes...
Better to attempt the shot and hope to get the O-rebound I guess?
I loved when Mike Fratello was saying that Brook has not taken
that outside shot yet this game, and that was a good thing, and two seconds later Brook hoists a 18 footer up, and misses…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
Is it an assist.....
If Brook throws up a prayer out of a triple team – Favors sneaks in a swallows up the offensive rebound – followed by a monster jam? This could be our recipe for success.
yeah I hope it's something that will change with better coaching
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
does anyone know if there's a site that keeps stats on that
like to see if it’s gotten worse
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
agreed
my biggest pet peeve with Brook
"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!
by MrDollarBills on Nov 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you not follow during camp?
Blame Avery. He made the team do sprints when Lopez passed it out.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
D.Harris
is averaging 18.7 ppg and 8.3 apg….and ya’ll wanted to trade him?!?!?! smh
by bbatts30 on Nov 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
harris still hasnt changed my mind.
He doesnt make anyone better on this team.
Starbury had career avgs. of 20pts and 8 ast. before he went Loco. Clearly he couldnt make any of the teams he was with better either. Starbury had a better outside shot then harris and could get into the paint at will.
this
not to mention, he usually gives up as much as he scores.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
he never showed up in NJ
Harris has been solid offensively, but his defense has still been pretty bad.
"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!
by MrDollarBills on Nov 1, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Team issue for the most part.
I agree Harris shut it down last year but who would not have. The year before he was asked to be offense first. Lets see what happens now that Avery has made it clear his role includes a much much better defensive presence. Seems to be working so far from what I have seen. And we need couple of months for everyone to understand Avery’s defensives system – what looks like bad individual defense could be the right positioning exposed by someone else messing up.
Tyreke Evans owned him.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 1, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did I see him prevented Evans to make a shot in the crucial game time?
He did a solid job to guard Evans.
Who else do you expect? Jason Kidd ? who also can’t defend now and can’t make a layup.
Come on, don’t always be harsh to Harris. I guess every point guard on the Nets will be criticized.
+1
Harris had the highest +/- at +19. Evans had the lowest +/- at -20.
Harris had 21 points on 10 shots. Evans had 18 points on 19 shots.
Harris had more assists and more rebounds.
Nets won.
I think they watched one highlight (circus shot by Evans) and assumed he “owned” Harris.
by Jay-dub on Nov 1, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why do you say that?
History in Dallas, year with VC and Brook development suggests he does make others better. Issue in NJ is we have had crap talent, no coaching, no system, no consistency. Avery + Proky + coaches + new teamates + new support staff (like video) changes all this. Lets judge his ability to make others better at the end of this season.
the year with vc
proves that vc makes others look better
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
by Gina on Nov 1, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Without Harris in the first two games dishing out assists to Morrow and Farmar
The Nets will be much worse.
Only superstars make other players around them better.
Not too many players in the league have that ability to do that. We had Kidd for a while and that was great, but some people think that those kind of players come along every other year.
Top scoring center, too.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 1, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
45th in rebounding.
Making me want to trade him off my fantasy team. I can’t see that improving especialy once Murphy returns.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 2, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is about right at this point in the season
I’d expect as the season rolls on that we climb to the middle of the pack, but I can certainly agree that we aren’t there yet
Please please please let Favors cover Dwight.
by calling all toasters on Nov 1, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather that than having them in the middle like that
We’re going to struggle to beat them once anyway, I’d rather get the beating out of the way while we’re still trying to gel and play more beatable teams when we are a little stronger.
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough Road
November is going to be tough for our guys, with many road games and Miami and Orlando too. My red-neck bartender girlfriend who bets all sports, won’t bet NBA games till after they have played about ten games. We are not quite as good as our current record, so let’s not fool ourselves. We need to get better, and we need to have MURPH back on the court. If we lose 75% of our games this year, I will still think it was a success, if our young players make good progress. Winning 32 games, means we will lose 50…GO NETS! GO ECAUDOR?
Paul from Delray Beach
You afraid of a little putty cat?
We will hand them their fourth loss, and they will learn to like it…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
this is too funny
Philadelphia (0-3)
Pace: 96.4 (19), Off: 94.7 (26), Def: 103.7 (17)
Doug Collins wants everyone to know that none of his players has a winning record in their years in the NBA. Do you get the feeling that the coach, when his team plays on TNT in early December, might just sit down next to Marv Albert and pretend like he never left his old job?
I dont think that’s entirely accurate. Philly said they were picking him, so why workout for the Nets?
i remember that
i don’t remember him saying he’s gonna be playing for a winning organization but i do remember Turner being happy about Philly
that's fine though
i’ll take Favors over Turner any day of the week
Evans is gonna be good IMO
but i think Favors is gonna be better
He needs to add more power to his post game.
Maybe dunk on guys every once in a while. Then his game will be more similar to Ewing’s.
yeah true...but a lot of ewing's game was on post up shots and jumpers from 12 feet in
lopez isn’t athletic as ewing but if anybody is close to what ewing was..its gotta be lopez…
Bull
Ewing just had a great jumper and was tougher. Dude had knock knees, no way he was more athletic.
Brook plays like a classic center
That’s why he’s getting so much love in the media.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 1, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Favors
This guy is already tough he hasnt even eclipsed 25 Min. When he begins to develop more and is having 30 Min a night. Look Out. 15pts-15rebs
This offensive frontline rotation should be Murphy-Favors-Lopez. Each with 30+ Min Per Game. Banish Humprhies, Smith, and Petro to the bench, only coming in when we are in foul trouble.
If that happens, we will be ranked somewhere between 15-20 all year. 37-45 or so. Which we would all take…
Wait till Favors fills out...
He will be a monster…Our monster…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
Nets still need a lot of work
It’s a very sloppy offensive team, partly because the two starting wings can’t penetrate (and one can’t even dribble without losing the handle).
I was at the game yesterday and my concerns about the offense were confirmed from what I saw on TV. All we do is run screens around the perimeter and there is little of anything else. Backdoor cuts? Nope. Baseline screens for shooters like Morrow? Well, they’re there but not connecting. Anything else? Not really.
It still looks like there are very few plays being run. In fact, I would say it’s part of Avery’s plan. “Let’s just see if these guys can execute the basics well, and once we starting doing that, we’ll introduce some more sets.”
TWill needs to attack the basket
when he does he gets there easily I think he breaks down the defense beautifully
He can be a scoring guard
Williams needs to stop playing like a buffoon
"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!
by MrDollarBills on Nov 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
well I think the hand injury might be contributing to his issues.
or at least making them worse.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
no doubt it's effecting his decision making on bone head passes
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 1, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
T-Will went to AC
over the weekend maybe he got some much needed therapy for his hand at the craps table…
You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget
yes...
because there is nothing better than losing a couple thousand at the casino after playin like crap the past 2 games.
playing craps is fine
He just needs to attack the basket. I hate watching him take jumpers. Put the ball on the floor and get to the line.
"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!
by MrDollarBills on Nov 1, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I love T-Will...that's a given
But just maybe sometimes he needs to be a little more serious…just a thought.
You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget
Stein, how are the Kings higher on the rankings than NJ?
They lost to us, and only beat the Wolves and Cavs – probably in the bottom 5 – by a combined 3 points.
We beat them, the Pistons by a combined 9 points, and lost only to the Heat, who are gonna be in the top 5.
I don’t get it.
ESPN= Nets haters… were before…still are. Always will be. I thought the exact same thing when I saw Sac above us. Like seriously? 3 games in and their 1 loss is to us and our 1 loss is to a top 3 team in the nba…and we are ranked below them…..righttttt ESPN righttt
by Mike LaMonica on Nov 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We had 12 wins last season
Two last-minute wins against bottom 10 teams isn’t going to catapult us. It’s a fair ranking.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 1, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If we had beat Miami...
I wonder what our ranking would of been?
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
I'm not arguing the ranking itself
I’m arguing the fact that the Kings are somehow ahead of us. It’s a valid argument, that there’s no reason for them to be ahead of us.
Yes there is
Our terrible record last year, completely uncompetitive against Miami, and Tyreke Evans.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 1, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Tyreke Evans
that’s how
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 1, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You gotta love Faves' attitude though
he doesnt’ come with the stuck up attitude and isnt’ fixated on his offensive game..
he does whatever he can to have an impact and help the team out
Really,13-18?
North of 20 is fair. We beat 2 teams that will finish out of the play offs in close games and got destroyed buy a great team. Before I get excited I want to see us beat someone that is in the playoff picture.
Wednesday
Will be a very good test for us. We beat two teams who are going to end up in the bottom 10 this year. By 9 total points and two awesome come backs. We didn’t look awful against the Heat…but shot terribly mixed with the big 3 of Miami shooting great. That is never going to equal a W for the Nets. Charlotte is a playoff team in desperation for a W. No doubt they will come out hard. Its going to be a great measuring stick for our team, and I’m calling if we can beat them solidly, look for us to steal 1 game this weekend. If we can go 2-2 this week all Nets fans should rejoice and carve granite statues of Avery’s Johnson.
What I love is the multiple practice days we have since the Heat game
Some time to keep working and polishing.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 1, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver must be crying their eyes out...
Not only are they going to lose Anthony, they also are not gonna get Favors. That must really hurt bad….
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
wouldn't it be a drag if denver actually ends up getting favors and we end up with
a even more one dimensional version of VC?
Lucky for us that will never happen...
Our days of bad luck are coming to an end soon…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
Seriously...
If we can get Carmelo without giving up Favors and of course Brook, we should do it.
No brainer…and I should know…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
Lets trade them T-Will, James, Murphy and what # of draft picks they want...
They can also take Hump…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
no no 1/2 sly is off limits
he has potential out of the world, just like Favors. He is already almost better than Full size sly
nah Sly is cool
when i was at the rock he came up and tackled me when i was sitting down from behind..i was soo pissed but i didn’t say anything cause it was Sly
uhhhhhhhhh
first of all, we would have never been able to get Horford
2nd, keeping Favors is a no brainer.
"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!
by MrDollarBills on Nov 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, wait wait....
Horford signed an extension?! Didn’t anybody tell him we’re getting Melo and CP3?! He was gonna come here to play with them!!! Oh well. We don’t need a PF.
CP3
Melo
Melo
Chair
Lopez.
Much better starting line up.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Nov 1, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When the going gets tough....
I get going, as fast as I can…
Might as well take our lumps now….
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
We need to win against the bobcats…wont be easy but its a must…the two games following are in FL…
I want to see rookie rankings…favors should be top 5
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
He was also very hungry...
He was actually eating his fingers…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
I caught that lol
The way Favors levitates off the floor awesome…he’s oozing with potential.
I still think Cousins is better but Im loving favors right now.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
I bet if they hung a donut off the rim of the basket
Cousins would improve his vertical leap…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
yeah but he still wouldnt' be able to get the donut
by netsball on Nov 1, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 roflmao
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 1, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know about poor man's
that looks to be exactly the type of player cousins will be.
but favors looks like he’ll end up being a better defender/rebounder, so i think we made the right pick as far as pairing someone with brook up front.
randolph is a lot more mobile than Cousins and has more post moves at this point
also more athletic
actually, i’d be surprised if cousins get as good as Zach Randolph
Cousins and Randolph are not comparable
Cousins is a Center. A center with his skill set is a rare commodity.
we shoud try to get randy moss..
he just got waived by the vikings, and he used to ball back in the day. probably be a good SF
As long as we don't have to give up Favors...
Lets do it…LOL
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
Now there's a go-scorer
"We need a go to scorer more than we need a PF" eLonepb 10/20/10
"u cant contend without a big time wing player….Doesnt matter how dominant your front court is." O Dog 11/1/10
When Harris plays well we WIN!
When he doesnt we lose…get it?
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
he played well against miami..he just didn't play too much
do u see the trend with him lately?
He’s starting to become a 2nd half player..which i like
when he finds hes groove….oh yeah!
cant wait to watch this team when everyone clicks
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
everyone meaning outlaw and morrow
i know morrow is gonna be fine though…he’s too good of a shooter…also he probably has the easiest job in the NBA for a starting SG
Harris is doing just fine...
I think the turning point was the 1st half he played against Boston in the final exhibition. He played very smart and determined that 1st half…
"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
Let me add
When Harris thinks pass first for 3 quarters, we WIN with a huge lead.
When Harris thinks he is the starting SG and scores too much, we are behind and need to catch up.
Keep Team in Tact
Lets grow together!
Do me a FAVORS...no Melo
Section 3f Row AA.
by Mike Viola on Nov 1, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Also I missed yesterday, watching the steelers.
so you’re late daily Dorrel Wright update. 7-15 for 18 points, 2-6 from 3, with 5 rebounds 1 assist and 2 blocked shots yesterday.
I’m just sayin
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
no I missed the golden state-lakers game
so I didn’t post my daily “dorrel wright is better than outlaw and 1/3rd the cost and I tried to tell you people” update.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
Look at Outlaw vs. Wright in Three Games this season
Outlaw: 2.0 FGM -7.0 FGA .286 FG%
Wright: 7.3 FGM-14.0 FGA .524 FA%
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
I agree
the offenses are different
Outlaw playing like crap in 2 out of 3 games is inexcusable.
He is a liability. I would honestly take CDR over Outlaw right now if CDR could shoot threes
"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!
by MrDollarBills on Nov 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and even though he never actually did
I feel like if his life depended on it CDR could keep in front of his man…poor Outlaw though…
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)
You got to give him a pass against LeBron.
Come on. Give him time. I say 10 games maybe more.
"We need a go to scorer more than we need a PF" eLonepb 10/20/10
"u cant contend without a big time wing player….Doesnt matter how dominant your front court is." O Dog 11/1/10
Too bad Prince
who isn’t exactly the fastest guy in the league, blew past him on every drive too. The guy is slower than me.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 1, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking @ our schedule
Charlotte @ Home = W
@ Orlando= L
@ Miami= L
Cleveland @ Home= W
@ Cleveland= Winnable game but I’ll say L
Orlando @ Home= L
@ Clippers= winnable game but still L
@Utah = L
@Sacramento= W
@ Denver = L
Atlanta @ Home= Tough game but I’ll go with the W
@ Boston= L
@ Phily = W
Portland @ Home = L
@ NY tough game but I’ll go with the W
There are around 5 winnable games but we’d need to be clicking at all cylinders to get the Ws. 8-10 after a very tough early schedule and a bunch of road game is not THAT bad. The schedule gets friendlier around March to April which is when we’d be making our playoffs push anyway. I can definitely see this team as the 7th or 8th seed in the east if they win the games they are supposed to win.
my version
Charlotte @ Home = W
@ Orlando= L
@ Miami= L
Cleveland @ Home= W
@ Cleveland= W
Orlando @ Home= L
@ Clippers= W
@Utah = L
@Sacramento= W
@ Denver = L
Atlanta @ Home= L
@ Boston= L
@ Phily = W
Portland @ Home = W
@ NY W
8-7
It's definately possible
but I don’t want to set the bar too high. It’s a tough schedule and if we can stay around .500 it would be a huge win for us.
yeah .500 would be pretty good but with Murphy coming back
the team will be better
but yeah..i’d be satisfied with .500
u r kidding?
I have high hopes
And over 500 after this brutal stretch in November would be just short of a miracle.
One Game at a Time Guys!!
Lets get this win vs Charlotte. This team was crushed when it lost Felton and Chandler.
All we have to do is double team Wallace. This team is so beatable.
And looking forward. If favors continues to grow, and murphy puts in good minutes, this team has a much higher ceiling.
Therefore we can not predict even 5 games ahead. Well losses to magic and heat we can predict. lol
Do me a FAVORS...no Melo
Section 3f Row AA.
Anyone else still in last year mode? Where every win feels like the first win in years. Where every lead feels like the best feeling in the world. Losses still feel normal.
+1
I was there on friday and sunday. I totally agree. The losses feel like last year and the wins feel like we are going to make the playoffs. its wierd…..
Do me a FAVORS...no Melo
Section 3f Row AA.
Is Murphy back next game? starting?
"We need a go to scorer more than we need a PF" eLonepb 10/20/10
"u cant contend without a big time wing player….Doesnt matter how dominant your front court is." O Dog 11/1/10
Who's going to the Bobcats game?!
Going with some friends, gonna be cheering the whole game. Realized that if just one person starts chanting, everyone will follow. Hope the energy is great and we finish the home stand 3-1 (25% of our wins last year)
~AC24
gotta love the mob mentality...
after the election results Tuesday, there will probably be a lot of chanting…along weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth…
You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget
I just went to the Nuggets site and even they want this trade to go through
They’re afraid that the longer they wait the more attached we’ll get to Favors and we’ll be reluctant to trade him! Cmon Proky…dont fall for this superstar BS….forget Melo
81-1
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 1, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
All those whining for Big Cuz over the summer...
Bow down, repent and thank Rod Thorn for Mr. Favors.
by rundmc00 on Nov 2, 2010 12:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
BS...we have proof of that...
Other than jerry’s heresay.
Favors is eating Cuz’s lunch (and that makes Cuz very upset).
by rundmc00 on Nov 2, 2010 12:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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