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A Look Back at Nets' Wooing of LeBron and "The Decision"

Fred Kerber writes Sunday about how the Nets loved and lost LeBron James.  On the day LeBron brought the Heat to Newark, the Post writer recounts how the Nets tried to lure James to Newark/Brooklyn.  LeBron also offered his comments on the wooing...and "The Decision".

Relying mainly on Rod Thorn and Bobby Marks, Kerber writes that the Nets felt they had a legitimate shot after flying out of Cleveland, so much so that they were prepared to clear more roster space to bring in whoever James wanted as a sidekick.

The bottom line on why they lost is supplied by the guy with the biggest bottom line in the NBA. "When you have the worst record in the league, it’s not easy," Prokhorov said.

And don't expect the "superteam" trend to end anytime soon.  "It’s a part of where we are in the whole NBA culture," Avery Johnson told Al Iannazzone. "It’s probably not going to change for the next five years." And that's why the Nets continue to pursue Carmelo Anthony, Iannazzone adds.

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We would be a top three team in the east with Lebron

"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."

by Andy. on Oct 31, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

There are A LOT of "what if"'s we could ask after everything that happened this summer...

Everything from John Wall to Derrick Favors to Travis Outlaw… I like the way things turned out so far, and the lack of divas we have now. The future’s bright, with or without LeCollusion and CarmEgo Anthony.

by JohnFromLongIsland on Oct 31, 2010 8:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i'm actually glad LeBron didn't sign here

I like seeing him as an enemy to what all great basketball players stand for…
Queen james gets to frolic around the beaches of Miami with DWade and Bosh….
I’m not even bitter about James since I knew from the start he wasn’t coming to NJ…

Its kinda entertaining to see if his legacy will be destroyed or how well Miami does after the heist….all the pressure in the world is on them….this could be disastrous.

by netsball on Oct 31, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

"Enjoy Chicago"

Love it

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Oct 31, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

12 wins

won’t land you a superstar. Since the beginning of the summer, I knew our chances for very slight because of our record. But hey, the dude is doing what’s best for himself. Nothing wrong with being a ring chaser.

2-80
NetsMets4life = Kat Stacks

by NetsMets4Life on Oct 31, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, can't hate the guy for wanting to win more than taking the most money available.

The only thing I can really criticize is the way he kicked Cleveland fans in the nuts with his prime time special. At the very least, he really should have leaked the info a day or two in advance that he wasn’t re-upping with them to help soften the blow with his supporters somewhat.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 31, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I neveeeeeer….
said I’d lie in wait foreveeeeeer
If I did we’d be together nowwwwwwww

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

and Happy Halloween

to you too John :)…I’m guilty of corrupting the youth!

You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget

by aunt-B on Oct 31, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like our team the way it is

but imagine if Lebron and Bosh chose NJ over Miami.

Harris/Farmar
C.Lee/Williams
Lebron/Williams/D.James
Bosh/Favors/Hump
Lopez/Favors

We don’t end up making the 4 team deal that got us Murphy and Idk if we would have had enough cap room left to sign Farmar or Morrow but I left Farmar in there anyway. We probably end up signing a few players to fill out the roster like Miami did. That would have been a the next dynasty!

by NetsFan21 on Oct 31, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

"The heart has reasons that reason does not understand."

On paper it looked as though LeBron and Nets were a perfect fit…

"We thought we had a chance," Thorn recalled, "because of the business opportunities, because of the move to Brooklyn, because of an owner’s desire to make his club the best team in the league."

Some things are not meant to be…time to move on. Develop what we have and quit worrying about what we don’t have.
The Net’s fortunes are already changing. Were 2-0…the future is bright!

You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget

by aunt-B on Oct 31, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly! We have a nice team right now. A team that could develop chemistry sooner than most others. For all we know, this could be the beginning of a magical season for the Nets and Fans? We should keep Favors and see what happens.

"LET'S GO NETS'"!!!

http://www.netsroster.com

by netsroster on Oct 31, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a different perspective. Nets would have had a better chance if they drafted Evan Turner.

It wasn’t known at that time that Turner would be a semi-bust.

Had Phila. drafted Cousins (as we now know would have been their best short term choice), then Nets take Turner.

Lopez+Harris+Turner+LeBron+Bosh(or Boozer) would be better on paper than the current Miami roster.

If Nets could have drafted Wall, that too could have made a difference.

In other words, the failure to get LeBron may have started with the Nets draft pick, more than anything.
Favors may have been the best pick for long term, but Wall, Turner and Cousins would have been a better draw for LeBron. LeBron wouldn’t have been such a “bad guy” had he chosen the Nets.

Someone could generate another story based on the Nets draft.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

After the fact, maybe. What else would they say.

Thorn implied that Phila. couldn’t be talked out of Turner, so you have to believe that Thorn preferred Turner since it was believed that Nets would get a PF via free agency, but there weren’t any good shooting guards.

However, Nets might have felt they could get RGay through FA.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Bosh and LeBron would have came to the Nets we would be better than current Miami Heat. Harris > Chalmers, D Wade > C.Lee/T Will, Lebron=Lebron, Bosh=Bosh, Lopez>>>>>>Anthony/Big Z. Plus we would have Favors, C. Lee/T Will, Farmar (Maybe), and maybe Shaq on the bench. (Shaq said he would’ve followed Lebron to the Knicks so why wouldn’t he follow him to the Nets?)

But I’m not trying to think about what could’ve been. I’m just gonna look towards our future

by Scooby803 on Oct 31, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Semi-bust?

He hasn’t even been in the league for a week yet…don’t you think that conclusion may be a bit premature?

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 31, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to take exception w/ the premise: "loss"

I feel that the fact that the Circus passed thru town and didn’t stay was a huge Win!
Have you ever been around a drunk(on his ego) clown who has stayed around town too long.
LeBonBon ain’t my people.
And btw Fred, the culture Already changed, this past week.
Today’s Nets to do list:
Crush LeBonBon… or at least smear is ho make up.

by Jron on Oct 31, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

just imagine if somehow we pull off a W…oh my god…i want hear everyones reaction to that lol

"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."

by Andy. on Oct 31, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Lebron's fang mouthpiece is awesome

I wish they had invented those when i played basketball in my younger days

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

definitely

fits in with the Halloween theme…

You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget

by aunt-B on Oct 31, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not happening if we keep turning the ball over as much as we have so far

If that happens against LeBron or Wade, that’s a fastbreak point immediately. No one’s stopping them on the break.

by muwu on Oct 31, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

great point muwu…its going to get ugly

"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."

by Andy. on Oct 31, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

great point

The Nets were absolutely CARELESS against Sacto.

If they a)fail to take care of the ball and b)commit stupid fouls/violations that lead to as many TO’s like the last game we will be blown off of the floor

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

any news

on Farmar or T-Will?

You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget

by aunt-B on Oct 31, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because of Bron's selfishness...

…the Nets couldn’t go to their contingency plans right away. Had he informed the Nets that he wouldn’t be signing right away…Nets could’ve chased other players quicker. But instead, Bron and the Heat knew the plan and all along and we got screwed.

by Versifiervt on Oct 31, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully we have

learned our lesson and don’t make the same mistake with Melo.

You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget

by aunt-B on Oct 31, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

our contingency plans, throwing a bunch of money at Gay, kind of sucked. He might have saved us from ourselves.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harris is out of the picture in a trade for Melo.

If Nuggets wanted Harris (they didn’t before) they would have to forfeit Ty Lawson.

Billy King seems to be pretty firm, and the better Favors plays, the better the chances are that King gets a better deal.
In fact, in a recent story, it was reported (perhaps Yormarket is the leak?) that no Nets draft picks were included in the offer.
(that could only mean the 2 Warrior picks – one conditional 1st round and one 2nd round picks)

And don’t think that they aren’t thinking a little about Melo, when they are holding off on playing Troy Murphy.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry

even if our FO was that stupid, Melo doesn’t want to come here. talk about blessing ind esguise.

by Andres B on Oct 31, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you don’t want Melo, you should be rooting for Nets to have a bad start to season.

Because if Nets are over 500 at beginning of Dec., with Harris and Brook looking good, and The Rock looking like a nice place and Proky continuing to look like a great guy, then MELO will sign for sure.

Also note, that Zzone believes that Jarvis Hayes is still available for trade – in case King pulls Murphy off table.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what if Melo waits until Feb. and finds out that Knicks still have to forfeit Randolph, Gallo(sucks anyway) and Chandler? Can Melo take that chance?

Melo is also believed not to want to go to a “gutted” team.

In most scenarios, Nets would be a much better team (winning wise) than Knicks, after the trade.
Amare looked helpless last night in Knicks loss (18-5 with nothing during the Knicks collapse).
Amare might “burn out” by December.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope that is true

This is the worst negotiation ever.

by SunilP on Oct 31, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andres, you do know that this is GOOD NEWS for Nets..

because the story also says that there is a feeling around that league that he WOULD accept a trade to Nets.

Watching Melo play some last night (between NCAA, World Series and Knicks collapse (Ha Ha), it is apparent that he would be great for Nets, drawing double teams. Lopez would have a field day; Harris would get 11 assists a night.

Because Melo is comfortable with playing with Nuggets, for now, and since Denver isn’t ready to give in to Billy Kings offer, things will drag on into December, when there will be more options and the value of Nets players will RISE (if no injuries).

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

the feeling around the league doesn’t matter. what sources close to Anthony say does. And those sources once again say he isn’t sold on the Nets. And that he is willing to wait so he forces Denver to trade him to NY.

by Andres B on Oct 31, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Simple reply is that barring injury, Nets WILL sell Melo on Nets during next month or so. And “selling” doesn’t mean not signing. There is no evidence he wouldn’t sign, but there IS evidence to believe he might.

If would be nice however, if Nets fans (not named Andres) would welcome Melo, just like Knicks fans do via Tweets, etc.
Billy King would have reason to be pissed if after all his efforts, and fair trade is in place, and Melo rejected it because of the lack of enthusiasm from Nets fans.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't you know Andres

every single article that says anything about Melo wanting to go to the knicks and not jumping to come here is pure lies and media propaganda. He’s dying to come here it’s friggin logic dude.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

note:

this is sarcasm

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

it’s funny how a guy like Broussard was called a Nets hater here when he first said Melo wasn’t sold on the Nets, but he had us making the playoffs in his ESPN predictions. I guess Marc J Spears is a Nets hater too. And the Star-Ledger’s Conor Orr, too.

by Andres B on Oct 31, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, it IS believed that Knicks people - including Sheridan, have started rumors, with the intent to get him to Knicks.

The best proof was the story that Nets liked Favors so much that he was “off the table” and thus Nuggets would turn to Knicks as front runner.

It was true that Nets liked Favors, but Nets had to put out a leak that they were still willing to part with Favors.

Of course there is always a chance, that if and when this drags into December, that some package include TWill/DJames could be offered, but for right now, Favors is the centerpiece that Nuggets want. As long as Nuggets want Favors, then Nets are Frontrunners.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

we're front runners at the special olympics

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

We are going to a beggar and handing the keys to the locker. 2 Mil is simply a waste for BK if that is the negotiation. How I hope we had not traded Clee, its possible not necessary that we could have traded him + trade exception for this.

by SunilP on Oct 31, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would like to see the story about Proky in NY Times magazine or at least the photo of him palming 2 BBalls.

Poor Dave D. has a story about Contraction of NBA, but it doesn’t fit in with today’s stories.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Meanwhile, Al continues to remind Nets fans that Nets “are putting everything into acquiring Carmelo Anthony”.

I agree that Al is correct (that Melo is the center of attention of Nets FO, stemming from Proky’s desires).

However, I would like to see Murphy play and also see if DJames can play some PF, because he might be the best option should Melo be traded for Favors+Murphy straight up.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

they need to stop

I’d rather the Nets build a contender, and not a 45 win team just to sell tickets. If that’s the case, Brooklyn can have fun with them.

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

its ridiculous. Favors has gone out there and performed two games in a row. And they still want to give him away in a deal no other team is even considering offering similar packages to. Have we really gotten to the point that we’re dumber than the knicks? Dear God.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's clear they don't

or at least Proky doesn’t and the rest’s opinions aren’t being factored in.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you trying to call Prokhorov a liar?

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's a business man who thinks

building a championship team is a lot easier than it actually is.

I actually wonder what Avery thinks in all this. I would think someone who pretty much learned from a first hand glance of the spurs organization would put a much bigger premium on defensive stars and front court play than on stars. Unless he was just not paying attention.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one is offering Lopez, but Melo is no Tmac 2.0. Melo has led Nuggets to playoffs every year. Can't say same for TMac.

He would be even better overall, in Avery system. Melo is very close to LeBron in skills and could get closer with Avery pushing him.

Favors could become a perennial near All Star – similar to Iggy in value, but not Melo.
Also, until I see DJames more, he could have similar value to Favors and could work out nicely along side Melo.

The bottom line from these stories, is that forces are in play from 3 sides, that this will drag out at least 1 more month. That should be enough time to know what everyone is worth.

You could call it a 3 ring circus.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

um T-mac led Orlando to the play-offs

and Houston when he was healthy.

And you’re right he’s not T-mac, T-mac was better in his prime.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

he should have been pulled off of the table

It’s a sign of weakness when you are willing to show to the world how desperate you are.

This is BEYOND pathetic.

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is ridiculous. Favors was clearly the better pick for the Nets and he has shown that in just two games. Melo may be a better scorer but he may not make this a better TEAM. Favors makes this a better TEAM. And that is what we want, isn’t it? I rather spend the year watching our team chemistry grow and than start dominating the the league like San Antonio did for the next five or more years. Rather than get a Melo and maybe make the playoffs a few times just to lose in the second round to a Boston, Miami, or Orlando. Only to watch Melo create all sorts of drama to disrupt the team. While Favors develops into something special on another team.

"LET'S GO NETS'"!!!

http://www.netsroster.com

by netsroster on Oct 31, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It comes down to whether Favors is going to be a perennial "near All Star" vs. a true Superstar.

Watching Melo play now, and imagining what Avery could do with him, Melo has Superstar value.

Nets though need to have a plan for getting a PF. Would like to see what DJames can do.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I never thought of him as a superstar

He’s an allstar yes, but he is a few notches below Wade, LBJ and Kobe.

by Claud on Oct 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he was a true superstar he would be putting the effort in on both sides

regardless of who his coach was. It’s not like he doesn’t know he needs to play defense.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

When D howard & EMeka came out

Orlando could have gone with the proven player. They went with potential and they hit the jackpot. I don’t understand why we are looking for immediate gratification. Even if Melo goes to Knicks, Amare & C Paul are both on shaky knees, We need a dominant winner. I believe that our team will be that one with groomed young talent, ala jeter, rivera and posada home grown.

by SunilP on Oct 31, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favors has another month or so to show whether he could be a Superstar like Melo, or a Near All Star like many good players.

There will be plenty of time to answer that question, starting with this game against Miami.

A Near All Star is 2 levels behind a Superstar like Melo and could be the difference of 10 wins a year and further in the playoffs.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm wondering...

if nets fans are gonna cheer lebron today when he is introduced. everyplace else boo’s him but i’m not sure how our fans are gonna react.

by VC3 on Oct 31, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

LeBron thinks like Proky

He wants to play with stars. The Heat will win a ton of games but they got a taste of reality on opening night. The best front lines will beat them. If I was his agent I would have tried to get him to Orlando in a S & T otherwise, tell Wade forget Bosh, get Boozer of Amare to join us. It’s going to be great in late may or June when the Heat are bounced. As far as our draft pick influencing his decision to join us, it didn’t matter. At 12-70 imo Wall (the best PG in the league right now) wouldn’t have made enough of a difference. 12-70 in Newark was all he saw in us. Other than getting LeBron, getting the best PF in the draft was the next best thing. After 2 wins and playing only 20 minutes a game, the kid is a factor in ways people won’t recognize.

"We need a go to scorer more than we need a PF" eLonepb 10/20/10

by msm2 on Oct 31, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

"the best frontlines will beat them"

exactly

And here we are about to trade away Derrick Favors when we can be patient and nab a perimeter go to guy in the process of building the team.

The Nets front office is idiotic.

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

could be worth

using some cap room for. That’s an insane frontcourt rotation and Oden wouldn’t have to play a ton of mins. Something to think about but i think SF will be a more pressing need.

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never liked LBJ much but noone can deny he is a very special player...

But why dwell in the past? Lo que sera, sera :)
We could have gotten LBJ and Bosh and drafted wall but Could is not did.
Plus I’ve always wanted Favors more than any other player in last years draft(I even made a fanpost about taking Favors #1)
Harris/Farmar/Uzoh
Morrow/Twill/Ross
LBJ/DJ/Graham
Hump/Favors/Smith
Lopez/Petro

Hump could become our"Verajao" until Favors was ready to contribute… but oh well. I never wanted any other player in free agency except James so the fact that we HAD to take another big contract was not too attractive to me. Bosh is a softie who puts up nice stats, Amare is nice but all banged up and Boozer.. well you the rest.

Too bad LBJ did not see the big picture here, and also too bad he didn’t give Mikhail/Avery enough credit to put a solid team around him.

Anyway, 3-0 today!

Happy Halloween !

by Claud on Oct 31, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

why doesnt anyone Consider Lopez a Superstar?
Melo probably doesnt want to come here because we dont have a Superstar but yet Lopez puts up the same kind of numbers as Amare, Just like in the off-season with Lebron why wouldnt someone want to play with Lopez, Not trying to say hes the best but just imagine Melo and Lopez together or Lebron Lopez, thats why when i read nets fans saying favors for melo isnt good is a joke because Lopez is puttig up 27 points a night and what happens if we have a melo playing a long side him we would have a dominate SF-C combo

"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"

"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"

by Wall2KingJames on Oct 31, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't care about Melo and his urge to play with his friends

It’s not worth giving up Favors for a dude that has us as his last resort

If Melo even hit FA he wouldn’t give us the time of day

Net fans need to stop drooling over the quick fix and the Nets need to bite the bullet and develop their own stars.

The urge to give up this much in a lopsided deal tells me that the Nets have winning secondary to just getting a big name in here for a three year rental

Once King gets taken to the cleaners for Melo expect other GMs to act stupidly when dealing with the Nets.

Keep thinking Harris/Williams will land Paul too

"Anthony Randolph has hall of fame skills" - GALLO!

by MrDollarBills on Oct 31, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harris and Williams will land Paul AND Al Horford.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reason Brook isn't considered a star

is because he played on a team that won 12 games last year. If he can put up close to 20/10 or the way he is going 24+ and 9+ with a couple of blocked shots and the Nets start WINNING and making the PLAYOFFS then he’ll get recognition from the public. He already gets recognition from some nba players/coaches and he’s barely in his third year and has lots of time to make a name for himself. This year could be the year he elevates himself into a star player in this league.

by Claud on Oct 31, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

old garden analogy...

1st year…sleep

2nd year…creep

3rd year…leap!

You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget

by aunt-B on Oct 31, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed that remark. Brook IS a star right now. The evidence is in his trade value.

I doubt that Proky would allow Brook to be traded straight up for anyone in the NBA right now, except for LeBron and Durant.

Due to his age, I don’t think Proky would trade him for DWade, Melo or even Kobe, after watching him play these past to games.

Bout time the reporters start looking at it that way.
Brook IS A star today.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a difference between a star and a high value player.

A star is the result from popularity usually a byproduct from winning. Brook hasn’t won therefore, little popularity and not a star yet. However, his value is much greater than his popularity. I’d rather be a high value player which is judged by knowledgeable b-ball people than stardom which is judged primarily by fans. Most fans look at pts, rebs and asts to determine a players worth but it’s difficult to notice a great defensive player which really is more important. Gerald Wallace won defensive player of the year, how many fans would consider him a star?

"We need a go to scorer more than we need a PF" eLonepb 10/20/10

by msm2 on Oct 31, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

My issue with Lopez is that he only does it on one end of the court consistently

we’ve seen flashes of him on defense, but I don’t think a player can be a superstar without being premier talent, or at least above average, on both sides of the court.

That being said as far as why Bosh is and Lopez isn’t. Who knows.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a surprise

The topic is LeBron and we end up talking about (and hating on) Melo.

Fact of the matter is that the reporters are not to blame per se for being Nets haters, etc., it’s just that their sources are throwing sleaze out there through the media to gain leverage for their own agendas, and then the fans accept that sleaze at face value instead of realizing not to take those sources seriously. That’s what’s shocking to me.

Ultimately, NOBODY here knows what’s really going on within the Nets’ front office, who’s been put on the table, what Melo’s thinking is, etc. Just enjoy the games that are going on currently, such as today’s game, and don’t worry about specious trade rumors, both those in favor of what you hope to be true, and against.

Nets = Global
Knicks = Local

by BigTom on Oct 31, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

agree

A trend that is not only infiltrating the Sports media but the News media in general…everyone wants to be the first with the “hot” story without fully checking out the facts

You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget

by aunt-B on Oct 31, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, he is being held out so that he can be fully recovered and make a good showing to Nuggets.

Maybe Wed. or Friday. I hope Wed, because Nets have chance to win.

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I for one, and so thankful we didn’t get Lebron. I have never been a fan. Sure he is the most dynamic and talented player in the league, but he changes teams for the bad. He can never seem to close out games.

The biggest thing is the changing of a team, on the court and off. Forget about Brook developing any further. Forget about Farmar being who he is becoming. Twill, gone. Harris, a nobody. He changes players. SHaq sucked when he was with Lebron, now all of a sudden Shaq is back. Same goes for guys like Mo Williams. He used to be good. Watching the Heat play is just like watching the Cavs with Lebron play. Its give the ball to Lebron and watch him dribble around for a while so he can go 1 on 5 the majority of the time. Its just not fun to watch.

I wish I had a link to the story about his “perks” about how he is upset with Pat Riley because all the bogus things he had with Cleveland like having his friends sit on the bench, and having control of the plane schedule are no longer in his power. He wanted to hang out with CP3 after a preseason game, and was shocked that the plane wouldn’t wait for him, where as in Cleveland he had full control of it. Basically the way things were(and the way I bet they would have been if he were here) is if you were a player for the Cavs and you wanted to say, get back home after a game to go see your kids, you would have to take your own flight home because the team plane was waiting for Lebron to get done partying. Absolutely disgusting.
Anyone have that article/report? They were quoting from it all day on the radio a few days ago.

All in all, I like where we are heading, and thrilled things worked out… or didnt work out.

by Tim823 on Oct 31, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to read that article

Someone find it please!

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Oct 31, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only cracked the very tip of the surface, there was so much more. I had my jaw to the ground the whole car ride. He had complete control over the Cavs.

by Tim823 on Oct 31, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I remember reading multiple articles like that

it’s a big reason why I hated Cleveland’s owners, I forgot his names, rants. He allowed Lebron complete control for years and let him undermine the gm and coaches, and then acted like he was a victim when he was as much a part of th eproblem.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon (and Billy King-Paul G B)

by Gina on Oct 31, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, they are theorizing (and it makes sense) that the reason why you aren’t hearing stuff through ESPN because this is obviously very damming news, which would hurt Lebron. Lebron is ESPN, which would thus hurt ESPN the brand.

by Tim823 on Oct 31, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a report out of Cleveland, and they weren’t giving much out as far as the team is concerned, because they obviously broke some rules. They were trying to walk the fine line of telling people about Lebron to hurt his image after he hurt them, without getting themselves in hot water.

by Tim823 on Oct 31, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NY media is so hilarious

Spike Lee said:

“Carmelo Anthony will be with the Knicks if God is willing and the creek don’t rise.”

Because it’s the Knicks, the headline of the article is: “Spike certain Carmelo will join Knicks”

If he said that about the Nets, the story would be: “Spike: Would take miracle of God to get Melo to Nets.”

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Oct 31, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

"Carmelo Anthony will be with the Knicks if God is willing and the creek don’t rise."

Translation: “Come Hell or High Water”

You've gone a million miles... How far'd you get
To that place where you can't remember... And you can't forget

by aunt-B on Oct 31, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

How funny would it be if

Melo wasn’t traded because Denver is winning and Melo reconsiders staying but doesn’t sign an extention at the trade deadline while we’re about .500 and the Knicks are terrible. Then by the end of the year we’re the team nobody wants to play in the playoffs, make a nice showing and Melo says " I’m taking my talents to NJ". Man I love to dream.

"We need a go to scorer more than we need a PF" eLonepb 10/20/10

by msm2 on Oct 31, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Melo will say :
“I’m taking my talents to New York…. to play for the Nets”

by jerry25 on Oct 31, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Melo will say

NO to any trade to the Nets

by Andres B on Nov 1, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Favors is a bust

He’s already 19 + his best days are behind him. How are we gonna carry him in 2-3 years when he’s 21-22

by gizzymhv on Oct 31, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Fair trade from our point of view

would be Twill, Murphy, Humph and picks. 2 first and 2 seconds.

No way in Hell id give up Favors. Favors and Lopez need to stay for Melo to be a great addition to this team. Imagine:

Harris / Farmar / Uzoh
Morrow /
Melo / Outlaw
Favors / Smith
Lopez / Petro

by danxcr on Oct 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most i would trade for 'melo

Harris or Murphy + T-Will + 2 Picks

Harris only because i am huge on Farmar

Farmar
Morrow
Melo
Murphy
Lopez

Harris
Morrow
Melo
Favors
Lopez

either one make us an auto playoff team and we’ll only get better in the future.

METS

JETS

NETS / LAKERS

by AmarDude on Oct 31, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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