Terrible Defense

we suck . . .hard to watch anymore. . .just want CDR and Lopez to get there stats at this point. . everyone else can bounce (be traded) . . . i’ll reserve judgement until Kiki is canned and we draft John Wall or Derek Favors

The zone isn’t working for us

We are in need of a def number 1…I see the guys we have as good number 2’s or pieces to the puzzle..but we def need that all star

Another Lopez dud.

yeah defense sucks man…wow. No box outs…too much space for others to get comfortable shots off. I could prob hit shots against the nets and im not even over 6 feet.

wow…i thought lopez would be the 19/9 player and yi 12/8…

who would’ve thunk the nets would have this large a dropoff in defense without vince carter!

Trading Harris won’t matter. This team needs a coach and a bunch of new players. This losing has sunk in to the point where they don’t even come out and compete. It’s sad to watch. The Nets don’t have that player that can exlode and get 40 and give them confidence. VC gave them that.

Other teams see the Nets and see and automatic W. Now all the players are back and healthy and Frank is gone and this team is worse than ever. Scrap it and start again…

Hey, you can always tell your grand kids, that you were part of the worst professional team in recorded history…

They probably won’t believe you… LMAO

there has to be a trade they can make to acquire a player that can help them win 10 or 15 games. not blow the 1/4 chance @ Wall, but just win 10 or 15 GOD DAMN games. seriously. this organization is going to suck for a long, long, long, long, long, long time. no one is coming here. no one. no matter what. what we have now is what we’ll have next year, and the year after that. maybe we’ll add some mediocre pieces that can get this team 25 wins. i predict the next time we reach the playoffs will be well after 2020. Keyon Dooling is an embarassment to the organization. He did not try AT ALL tonight. Just embarassing. At least Rafer tried. Dooling could care less-and his jump shooting is pitiful compared to last year, i could care less if he “just got back”. Harris gets himself in position to make wide-open 3 to 8-footers and he ends up bricking them off the backboard, bairly hitting the rim. courtney lee couldnt make an open jump-shot if Proky offered him $90 million for each one he sank. Yi is doing okay on offense but his defense isn’t much better than d-league caliber. brook lopez has been very mediocre, if not bad. he isnt rebounding, is airballing/bricking a ton of shots, and is turning the ball over more again. he did make a few very nice post moves today, but they only totalled 12 points. terrence williams isn’t even getting a chance to play. jarvis hayes has been playing so-so, nothing special out of him, but it does look like he cares. Remember when CDR was player who could give the nets 20-27 ppg, even when they lost by 10-15 points? what happened to that guy. he is uninterested and has fallen off the face of the earth, and is now yet another embarassment to the organization. our coach looks like he should be coaching high school girls tennis. the announcers made a great point, losing becomes easy and a bad habit, and it takes good-character guys who care about giving SOME KIND of effort for the fans, themselves, and the organization. the way these players are performing is embarassing. none of them are thugs off the court, they’re all good guys, no in-game nate robinson/al harrington-type thugs ON the court. but they have no heart. i wish whatever players move on next year (Doolings, Lees, Harris etc) the worst of luck. i hope they ride the bench all year and suck for whatever team they play for. they’re an embarrasment to themselves, an embarrasment to the team, and an embarrasment to the NBA.

This is getting unbearable.

I once played for a college basketball team that went 2-23 during my freshman season. As my coach would say “Michael Jordan isnt walking through that door.”

Simply put, it’s up to the nets players to pull together and make the decision that they arent going to be a laughing stock. This isnt a close knit team. They dont play hard for each other. There is more talent here than a 3 win team.

I feel bad for brook
KiKi has his own agenda.
KiKi doesnt want to win.
KiKi is trying to make Yi look good.
Yi had an assist tonight!!!!
Woo Hoo that 3 assists in 10 games!
brook averages 2 assists
Who should the offense be focused on???
Brook Lopez
KiKi doesnt want to win.

Terrible game, the only positive sign is Yi’s development is so far so good.
I don’t want to see any of our guards appearing on the court. They easily get oppoents shoot and break over them. that sucks.
So let’s just talk about our hopes—Lopez and Yi.
Our two big guys need to find their way on blasting togather. It takes time but i trust the can finally make it.

Two points:

1. As much as I love Lopez, and I do, I am begining to question his basketball IQ. Take the Nets very first possession. Nets take a shot and miss (news flash on that), but Brook grabs the offensive rebound (news flash on that also.) But instead of throwing it out and resetting the offense, (and making Atlanta work for another 15 to 20 seconds on D), he immediately throws up a ridicules off balance prayer with no chance of going in.

2. If L. Frank had this team to work with at the start of the season in terms of health, they would have been around 6-11 or 5-12 after 17 games, not 0-17. Kiki is a great guy but can’t coach a lick, Del Harris is doing nothing, and at least when Frank was coaching, the undermanned team busted their butt on D, for the most part (not always.) He was not perfect (as few are), but he really is a very good basketball coach.

As Shawn Carter would say: Hire Frank. Hollah!

Yi can score all the way out from 3pt line, he can catch the ball and start his move from anywhere in the court as long as he’s not double teamed.

Brook is stuck with the guards feeding him in the post, he gets double teamed instantly.

Who is going to score more on a bad team? Why is this so hard to figure out from the pro-writers?

Nets are becoming much more efficient about losing. Unlike last night, when they spent several minutes in the lead, tonight they did not waste any time falling behind.

i sure wish they would fire Frank and get a real coach.

I wonder how many Nets players have the same agent as Maurice Evans. They always make him look like Michael Redd circa 2004.

I also want to thank Devin Harris for leading the Nets to ,,. um,sorry, I don’t have anything to put at the end of that sentence.

But Twill, you rock, man. I love the way you cross over to the side where the defender is. It really helps us keep the turnovers up, you know what I’m saying.

Tony Battie, keep on launching those 3’s, baby,

And I’d like to welcome Chris Quinn to this team. What are you in for man? You bring guns to your locker or something? This is what it’s like every night. Your bunk is over there, on the right.

Kiki, I wrote a song for you. “D-e-n-i-a-l. De – ni-i-i-i-al”. Where is Van the Man when you need him?

It was great to see Jason Collins out there wasn’t it? He is third string garbage time in Atlanta, behind a guy named Zaza and for us, he used to start. Dude! It makes me want to weep.

You’ve been a great audience, thanks.

Whats the deal with KiKI?
He wants to “develop the young guys”, but gives Najera and Hassell
minutes, while letting TWill languish on the bench.
He needs to pick 8 or 9 guys (Pref. the young ones)
AND STICK WITH THEM!!

Lee needs to be benched. hayes should start at the 3 moving cdr to the 2.

This is the all time worst team ever in the NBA! Ever do you know how disgusting that is? I dont think we are going to win anymore games this season unless something in this teams demeanor changes drastically!

3 wins for the season??!!

At this point, I just want to see players traded or see some heads roll. You can’t even call the Nets a PROFESSIONAL team anymore, because the majority of the players gave up after their 3rd loss with Kiki. Id rather see the Nets team with only 8 players in the first part of the season. Yea they sucked (especially in clutch situations), but even when they only had 8 healthy players, they actually fought and played hard, making me think that when the rest of the players came back, they would start wining.

 Now they dont know how to regroup and play a little something called defense, or how to make a wide open shot. I know I speak for all the Nets fans when I say I cant help but wish I could press a DELETE button and just erase the Nets organization, or at least fast foward to the draft, because watching these games is even more pathetic than they used to be.

@mt57

ilu. But i have to say, newsflash:

Tony battie is the best 3 point shooter on this team (100%)

There’s still over 40 games in the season. Yi and Lopez have a lot of time to develop next to each other. I think what the team really needs is chemistry. Players aren’t playing hard for each other at all.

Also, the perimeter players need to step up. They easily get beat and Yi/Lopez have to rotate; leaving the basket open. Then, even if someone misses, Lopez and Yi are out of position from having to rotate, so we give up the offensive board. The guards really need to step up. Yi and Lopez are doing their share blocking shots, forcing adjustments, etc.
Another suggestion would be for Lopez to stop hanging his head so early in the game. His frustration really dawns on the nets and affects his play. I know losing is tough, but the more he gets frustrated, the easier it is for the opposing team to win.

Going back to my point earlier, if we develop a closer unit, we won’t be 3-32. We need heart.

A trade’ll be inevitable soon with the way they’re playing…

Yo guys, I just saw our number one free agent signing we’ll be making next year PLAY IN THIS GAME!!!

No, not Joe Johnson…

ZAZA PACHULIA.

What’s all the fuss? So if we won tonight we would be 4 and 30 something. Maybe everything is just right.

I belive Harris has to go. Nothing personal, but he’s a bum.

CDR is overrated, only by Nets fans…

Lee is “Little Boy Lost in the Dark and Scary Woods”… Cheryl Miller kicked his butt after he scored 20 pts or so several weeks ago on NBA tonight. If you saw that interview, you had to cringe…

Buy Lopez the latest, greatest video game and he wiill be alright.

Yi is Yi… $$$$$$$$$$$$

McHubba, I agree he is using waaay too many lineups. These guys have never played together so how are they going to get a feel when you have 11 guys running in and out? Seems like Kiki wants to be everybodys friend.

Brook needs to become a better passer as he does get double teamed…also the give and go that is run with brook is becoming very predictable. Brook may look awkward sometimes but he really uses his strength to score. He isn’t getting as many touches lately either.

Yi is kinda funny when he drives. He catches it at the 3 point line and blindly drives until he gets to the rim and chucks it up. His drives arent pretty. they should work with him on that…

@Andy

As funny as Yi’s drives look, he hasn’t been called for a charge yet this season….

This has to be one of the worst teams in the history of the Nba.. Let’s be honest..
PG Devin Harris is a back up pg
SG Corny Lee should be in the D league or play in a league where the basketball is 10 feet wide for his pathetic jump shot to go in..
SF CDR is nothing special at all and is a number 10 or 11th guy on a championship level team
PF Yi is the most overrated player in the history of the Net’s except for Big Softy Brook Lopez
C Brook Lopez is the most uncordinated dumbest lowest IQ along with the Goofiest Looking Center I have ever seen in my lifetime. In this league either you have the tangibles or you don’t have it.. and this Big Dud definately doesn’t have it…

i think he has…

Hayes: FGm-A:3-11…3PT FGM-A:0-5…ouch.

Everyone attack tvtechownv…lmao

@Jim
Did you actually watch the game? CDR has the same skills he has always had – even better perhaps. But for whatever their reason, the Nets FROZE CDR OUT of the offense tonite. It wasn’t as if he wasn’t needed, but he got a total of 7 shots for the WHOLE GAME. You can’t score without the ball. So many times in this game, Chris was open to shoot but couldn’t get a pass from his teammates. Several times, CDR was benched so Jarvis could play. Didn’t touch the ball for most of the first quarter at all. This is inexcusable and convinces me that this team’s coach and “leaders” are full of it. Perplexing too, considering all of the losses. I feel sorry for CDR. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Brook too (only got 10 shots for the whole game).

@Jim
Did you actually watch the game? CDR has the same skills he has always had – even better perhaps. But for whatever their reason, the Nets FROZE CDR OUT of the offense tonite. It wasn’t as if he wasn’t needed, but he got a total of 7 shots for the WHOLE GAME. You can’t score without the ball. So many times in this game, Chris was open to shoot but couldn’t get a pass from his teammates. Several times, CDR was benched so Jarvis could play. Didn’t touch the ball for most of the first quarter at all. This is inexcusable and convinces me that this team’s coach and “leaders” are full of it. Perplexing too, considering all of the losses. I feel sorry for CDR. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Brook too (only got 10 shots for the whole game).

kiki play sean williams you POS. This Russian dude can’t come fast enough.

CDR>??? What’s the hype?? What is he the next Scottie Pippen? We are 3-33 for God’s sake…. CDR is not an elite player.. Get over it… Lopez makes Luc Longley look like Kareem Abdul Jabar.. I bet Stevie Wonder can make more shot’s than Corny Lee… Yi is just a tool for the team to make money.. Everybody in this team sucks… I’m telling you there is not one player on this team that should be starting on a good NBA team…

So we hit rock bottom…

Lets rejoice, because we can’t get any worse then this.

I feel a sense of relief coming over me.

Like the guy who’s drowning and decides to give it up…

I once was drowning, and when I decided to give it up, a sense of calm and peacefullness came over me…

Once that happened I kicked it into full gear.

Lets go Nets… Whatever tomorrow brings…

Kiki deserves this. He undermined LFrank and now he’s suffering for it. Im not saying LFrank’s a great coach, but I think we can all agree he would have continued to work his ass off to try get this team better. He also had a defensive plan for this team from Day 1, and that has gone out the window. Kiki doesn’t have a clue, you cant have a 11man rotation in the NBA. Supreme is right, Kiki doesn’t want to hurt anyones feelings. Kiki’s a great guy but in waaay over his head.

I think a great coach would make our starting lineup a competitive team.

I think we should get the Czar or JVG to replace our head coach

tvtechownv i understand ur frustration…after a loss like todays…no positives can be taken from this. I can’t believe i watch this crap. Can the season end already? Reality is we suck…and the record shows it. :(

during the 4th quarter the camera was going down altantas bench….bibby….jsmith…crawford….horford….johnson…marvin williams.

DAMN.

Now thats a nice team.

Lopez can only get the ball when he is near the paint, but Yi is able to get the ball everywhere in the court simply because he can shoot, move and move fast.

That’s the very simple reason why Yi has more opportunity to score than Lopez.

When Yi didn’t play well, everyone said he was a loser. When Yi plays better, everyone says it for Nets to make money. Good or bad, Yi will never get any credits. What you guys want him to be, good or bad?

I agree with pawley. I think we have a talented and hard working group of young guys and a coach that isnt really a coach. Kiki may be all about palyer developement and that is certainly important to a young team but we completely lack team concepts. We waste a lot of possesions offensively and end up with forced shots. At the other end people look lost. Our young guys may be better jump shoots, ball handlers and post scorers thanks to kiki, but will they be better basketball players.

To me a young team needs a more controlling coach that can simplify the game for them. He also needs to be willing to pull people out of games to talk to them and do some yelling if necessary, be vocal.

This roster was not going to win a lot of games, but there is talent and skill here that is not being put in a position to win. Just trashing the players seems pretty silly to me.

@Jeff

I understand what youre saying. When rafer alston was playing point he did a good job of distributing the ball and getting CDR involved in the offense. When harris is point guard, i feel like CDR is only at 11 ppg or somethin like that. when alston played pg, he must have averaged closer to 18-21 ppg. The problem is, Dooling isn’t involving him that much either. Is this Kiki’s fault, the point guards fault or what. CDR makes some spectacular plays and he hits the open shot for the most part. his frustration these past 2 games is leading to missed jumpshots and some lag defensively (altho i did see that smack away in the 1st half)…if he’s so pissed off he should be screaming for the ball or going ridiculously hard to the bucket.

This years draft is either John Wall or bust. Even if we don’t win the lottery, you’d have to be close to 100% certain that we’ll trade for the #1 overall pick. This team is going nowhere with Harris as point-guard. He is either a 2guard or should be coming off the bench, and i dont think a 6-3" 2G that cant make jumpers or play defense should start, so yea, he should just be a guy who comes off the bench, draws falls and makes driving layups.

would any teams take keyon dooling right now? maybe he could help someone. but i want him off the team..

Andy there is no hope for this team..
The whole team sucks..
Seriously there is not one player that is good..
I’d trade the whole Net’s team along with there cheerleaders for Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams..
Pathethic.

“You have to go thru hell before you get to heaven”.

Sure, we got are butts kicked. Sure, are team sucks.

But now comes the interesting part.

What to we do about it…

My best guess, is we do nothing…

Not right now…

Lets wait….

And with the number one overall pick in the 2010 NBA draft, the new jersey nets select…

DONATAS MOTIEJUNAS from LITHUANIA

Kiki needs to be replaced real soon.I’m starting to see that his agenda is really to showcase YI.He got the ball more than anybody tonight look at the stats.

So I see Kiki’s Plan is to Freeze CDR OUT..how does this guy become 4th/5th option on this team of turnover prone, shot chuckin, errant pass forcing team?? Its Obvious Yi is being “showcased” at this point..29fgas the last 2games?! Terrible..CDR is also Outperforming these guys while playing out of position don’t forget..it seems, as soon as he gets off 2 a fast start, we’re AHEAD, then he’s Yanked 2sit for 4mins at a time! Or even when he’s HOT, the offense is run thru ANY 1 ELSE..on the Contrast, when C Lee, or Yi hit a cpl, we feed them NonStop? Dev Harris is Pitiful.

The problem with CDR is that he can’t shoot…

Welcome to the club…

Yi has shot >50% in 4 of his last 7 games, including .585 yesterday. Why wouldn’t you want him to get his offense going?

CDR is playing out of position. He’s not a 3. And Lee isn’t a starting sg. The Nets don’t play as a team. Very selfish and very few assists. Most of the team just want to get their own stats. And Kiki’s substitution pattern doesn’t allow these guys to build confidence in each other..

So, Yi develop as a scorer and people complain. Nets are not making the playoffs, so it’s only about player development this season.

I hope Yi gets traded, he can’t end up on a worse team with worse fans.

We probably would have more of a chance to win the game if everybody else had more touches.

Mike is right, and this is the worst it could get, but it shall get better. Keep the Faith NETS fans!!!

I’m encouraged by the huge strides Yi’s made this year, but I would like to see him become a better passer and improve his assist numbers.

we are gonna break the worst season record this season, woohoo.

Hey guys, got the highlights for Yi Jianlian in the Bucks game if anyone is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TMYuLNhBso

This team has problems all over the place

I hope the Russian is watching this nonsense.

Stop complain
Let’s do a test
Let’s have deal with other team
We trade Yi to other team for their PF for 10 games
If we win some games it mean Yi is the problem of the team
If we still lose, that is problem with other player
Or the kiki’s problem
Stop Complain., let the young players play the best they can
I ready get used be it
We will have top picks this summer

Gimmie an F, Gimmie an I, Gimmie an R, Gimmie an E, Gimmie an K, Gimmie an I, Gimmie an K, Gimmie an I…

What dat spell? FIRE KIKI!!!!!

Hollah!

Stern you are a total disgrace for letting this fraud ratner into your league and giving the fans this garbage. Another pathetic embarrassment for the league.

I blows my mind that Nets fan want Yi to fail because he’s asian.

@Mike U can’t be serious dude, I guess he couldn’t shoot lastnite (5-8) guess AGAIN..the problem with CDR is he has D Harris as a PG…and EVERY teammate Forces BAD SHOTS so he Rarely touches the ball..Cmon make basketball educated comments at least, for the sake of this site

@shawn carter what is “hollah” on every post!

I cringe evertyime i go on this site after the game because i cannot stand the fans we have. I have not missed a net game this year and i understand that we suck. But everyone on this site is ruthless. Devin Harris is a backup PG really??? He may not be a good number one but you guys saw what he did last yr. Court lee yes can get some grief because his shot changes everytime he shoots. But look at what VC and RA are doing in orlando. VC is shooting 39% from the field an averaging 1.5 less assists per game on a team that crushes what he was playing with last yr. RA is playing ok but the fact that we got rid of VC and his contract before he started his rapid decline is great.Also looking at contracts and stats, I would take YI over RJ all day. This team may suck but we got rid of big contracts for the future. Devin, Brook, Yi, and CDR are our core pieces. I still have faith in Court Lee as like a 4th option on a good team like he was last yr. Lets pray we get a good draft pick and sign a free agent then we can all come on here after the games and talk shit on everyone else. Stay true nets fans, our time will come.

Wow another lose. I notice the boxscore both thee loses from Bucks and Atlanta, the points made by our first five against their first five is pretty much even, in fact against Milwaukee we have a better output. Imagine if we have a bonafide all star player with our first five, result would be much likely on our favor and possibly a win. Our bench doesn’t do that much, that is the main problem.
 so I am relaxing and enjoying the development of our young guys although they are not winning. But for sure next season will be different.

Nets need a coach who will demand defense!They need a coach to develop young players properly.Nets need to lose Lee both williams’najera .battie hassel simmons. Start lopez harris boone hayes and dooling- cdr, yi off the bench. Lopez and yi don, t fit together but can be better when not on floor at the same time. Harris can be effectine as a 2 and cdr is a good 6th man. Quinn may help as a backup to harris.

Oh and btw, Doolings needs more minutes. I don’t ever wanna see najera or hassel on the floor again. I think hassel is a good dude but please keep him on the bench along with Sean Williams and Quinn. Get Twill more minutes please. I wish this was the movie eddie, but instead it was me coaching the nets.

Devin-30 mins / Dooling-20
Court Lee-25/ Hayes-25
CDR-30/ Twill- 15
Yi-35/ Battie-12
Brook-35/ Boone-12

DNP- Simmons, Quinn, Najera, Hassel, Williams

Phillips arena looked empty with only 11K in reported attendence, guess no one wants to see this team.

Can someone go to the Lost island and spin that time wheel please?

I think Mike Fratello can teach these guys how to really play ball. Put Kiki back in the front office where he does his best work. He’s clearly not getting it done. Make the change now while the season is still young

It defenitely hurt for my Nets to lose like this. But you have to have patience. Obviously Prokhorov has given Thorn his blessings to do what he has to do to better this team for the future. Thorn has started to make moves and last night they played just about everybody who wasn’t injured. I know it was a blowout but they are clearly showcasing players for possible future trades. Thorn is one of the best in the business at what he does. Just look at how Danny Ainge rebuilt the Celtics in 2006. They were the second worst team in the league with Doc Rivers coaching them. In one year they won it all. It hurt to lose like this but the future is bright just have patience.

Nets is giving up because its owners don’t care any more as the team has been sold (in final process) to the Russian. Don’t expect the team will make any change and win any games until the new owner takes over officially.

What is wrong people. Frank is gone and everything is rainbows and lollipops.

Yup.

We’re all drowning in rainbows and lollipops.

This is a team that a coach can’t help right now. Unfortunately everybody has to endure this horrible season to get to next year when things open up with money. Rebuilding is pretty painful eh?

I don’t think they have given up though, just not capable to get it done. A couple new pieces and they could be pretty good, there are guys on this roster that should be role players and they are starters right now.

The waiting is the hardest part, to quote Tom Petty.

VC was a leader.

@nicebull

Thats just not true. The talent and skill level on this team is absolutely higher than that of the twolves, or the knicks at least. Yet we have no identity, no defined roles, no defined stlye of play, and no structure for our young players. We went from being a middle of the pack defensive team to getting our better offensive guys back and taking huge steps backward when kiki took over. An actual head coach could help this team, someone to teach team defense, hold players accountable and define how we play. I dont dislike kiki, I just think making a guy who, as far as i know, has no head coaching experience head coach for this young a team was just stupid. Why do you believe they are not capable? Why were they more capable defensively, with lesser players under frank? Do you deny the abilities of YI, CDR, Brook, and devin?

@duo : they didn’t get it done under Frank either. I can see no evidence of them getting it done for the last few years at least. They do not have good chemistry, and there are gaping holes at positions like PF and SF, and even SG at times.

I’m not saying they don’t have talent, because there is talent there- but they need a couple more guys to complete what they have. They have a lot of role players who need to be put in place around guys who can make things happen.

Even if you brought in Phil Jackson right now, it wouldn’t make them much better at this stage of the season.

My feeling is that this is what rebuilding is, painful to watch while they moves pieces around. But, there are good times ahead with more money, and draft picks.

The zone-D of nets is the worst I ever seen on this level, even worse than NCAA.
The guards r lazy. No quick movement to keep the zone working. Because there r more guards in the teams, nets can play more zone-d then man-d. But the zone-d requires more effort from guards to make it work.
Shame on the guards’ effort in the zone-d.

I just couldn’t watch. I admit that I am not strong enough for this kind of losing. I know it’s going to be a few more games till everybody gets used to each other, but I don’t see a plan. KIKI is just temporary, we do need a real coach, with real coaching experience, I think. HAYES needs a few more games to get his legs and shooting touch too. I hope February will be a better month for us, till then, I just DVR the games and decide how much to watch. Yes, I am weak.

Yi Jianlian highlights against Hawks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9E2a1U-D9g

ya think maybe DC would have been interested in Rafer since Agent Zero will be done for the year with no pay………
I guess Thorn wasnt watching the news

Kiki is showcasing Yi so he looks good on the trading block

@Jim, Thats it I have read enough…. I want you for Coach and GM, if you don’t mind wearing Kiki’s glasses! The joke about Donatus had me on the floor! I do like CDR and Lopez but at this point I think you have their attitudes dead on!

Pathetic. Kiki does not care or understand defense. This team has gone backward (if that is possible). Yi scores meaningless points on a bad team; hence he is not a good player. He scores when they are down 30. Wow. Lots of pressure. You cannot judge players on bad teams b/c they never play with pressure. I mean, the Hawks backed off by the 3rd quarter and gave the Nets room b/c the game was over. I think CDR should be on suicide watch: Kiki, trade him to a decent team.

Keep up the good work Yi. Stay aggressive and keep attacking. Defer to no one. You’re becoming Americanized.

@Yao Says:
If you remember Kiki as a player he also did not play defense. Cannot coach what you cannot do yourself. He is acting just like L.Frank by being stubborn and putting that same lineup out there that makes no sense.
Yi is not a starting PF. Please put him with the second unit for more balance scoring against the other teams second unit. This way his low B-Ball IQ and lack of understanding defense can be covered playing with the second unit. I love this team, however it is a shame that I find myself turning it off in the third quarter. I even left in the third period at the Bucks game. When you see a coach not making adjustments during the game it is a shame to watch. I am not angry just sad how lost the young guys on this team. A sad shame on you Kiki as the coach.

Can a coach please help C Lee with his jumper off the dribble!!!!!!!!! He never jumps straight up…He is always off balance. He almost never makes those shots. He is a lot better when is is wide open and catches and shoots. The same was true in Orlando. He also has the worst rotation I have ever seen on his shot….Kiki, help him!

@Dziedzic

Yi is shooting 50% and averaging 7 boards over the last 7 games, and you’re singling him out as the problem by “not being a starting PF”? His defense and “basketball IQ” are nowhere near as bad as everyone is saying…those things are just vague enough that people can bash him without actually having to support their argument.

Its amazing to see how much having VC last year made the team so much better. One could argue just having him on the team as a Teacher was worth the investment not to mention about 25 more wins.

at hello:

“Kiki is showcasing Yi so he looks good on the trading block”

if only this were true, we are stuck with this guy for a long time.

Seems Kiki’s “Yi-focus” may disrupt the careers of two other (proven) Nets scorers – CDR and Brook Lopez. That is patently unfair, as those two players have been the mainstays for this team’s offense even during the times Yi could not play (due to injury). This “Yi-focus” also violates the principle of fair competition. I think it’s great that Yi is given opportunity to develop his skills, but not at the expense of other players.

Aside: I wonder if this continues if CDR and Brook (with diminished stats) will be allowed to play in the Rookie-Sophomore Game (an honor they have earned so far this season).

The notion that there is some kind of “Yi-focus” at the expense of other players’ development is ridiculous. He’s taking shots when he gets them, but it’s not like they are feeding the ball to Yi every time they come down the court. Brook touches the ball plenty, but isn’t posting very low or is having to pass out of the double-team. If anything, Yi’s offense should be taking pressure and doubles off of Lopez and helping him…

This season is LOST, L-O-S-T and all this is is an attempt to get one of the team’s top assets some opportunities to show what he can do…just like CDR got his opportunities to prove what he can do earlier.

“Fair competition”? You have a seven-footer who is starting to show his potential. A seven-footer who can average 20 and 7 and shoot nearly 40% from downtown is a lot valuable than a swingman. That’s why Bargnani got the contract he did. In the history of the NBA, there have only been about 170 seven-footers…of all types, from William Cunningham to Kareem Abdul Jabbar. They command a lot more of everything.

Also, CDR should stop complaining, even subtely. This isn’t just bad for him. It’s bad for everyone.

@Andy
As they panned down taht bench, did you count the number of top players who they took with draft picks?…Smith, Horford, Williams, their front line, plus Teague. That’s why having 10 picks in three years, as the Nets do, is so valuable.

And the Hawks made some bad picks, too, but still wound up with value. (Williams over Deron Williams and Chris Paul, for example.)

We have too many players that need the ball to make a difference out on the court. Lopez should focus on being that defensive anchor he wanted to be when he first came in to the league. That is EXACTLY what this team needs right now. Imagine he was a great defender and passer? He’s neither right now.

@Net Income I witnessed Kiki YELLING for CDR 2 “give it up” as soon as he touched it..since u noted that its Yi’s turn 2 be showcased, WHAT are the Nets Plans for CDR?? U seem to have inside info..WHY don’t they trade this kid to a Contender?? His name has been brought up by at least 5teams in the league that want to actually UTILIZE his skillset…Why won’t the Nets do so? And what would it hurt the organization? I mean everyone on this site knows, he’s just an “average” player at best, NO defense, NO jumper, no anything Right? I mean C Lee is MUCH better than CDR..so trade him 2 a team that WANTS him

This whole thing bears a striking resemblance to the Knicks under Isaiah Thomas – a former great player and a horrendous general manager/coach. The difference is: the Nets are worse, there is a new owner coming in, and the Nets have a lot more flexibility.

Look at what the new general manager/coach has done with the Knicks – quite a remarkable turnaround. So its possible if you have the right people.

Problem is – the Nets need a whole new organization. And if the Nets are a whole new organization, with a new owner, playing in Brooklyn – how could an existing fan relate to them? Because the new Nets have the same name?

Being a fan has a lot to do with local pride and watching a team over the years. For me – the Nets are about to become extinct.

@ Net Income

CDR didn’t just “get” the opportunity to prove himself, he worked real hard for it. Yi’s path to a starting job (and maintaining it) has been pretty much predetermined. I AM glad that Yi seems to be growing into the job that has always been his. But CDR and Yi’s “opportunities to prove” themselves are distinctly different.

You know that CDR is “subtly” “complaining”? How do you know that??

I couldn’t watch match of game. It wasn’t watchable.
If Kiki had at least played TWill I would have had a reason to watch despite a blowout.

Seems like Kiki is focused on developing Yi, but not TWill.

Also seems like Kiki played Najera in last game just to show other teams that he wasn’t injured.

Najera, Simmons and Boone(injury) were on inactive list for Atlanta, apparently, as even SWat got PT.

SWat continues to show good ability, but then continues with mistakes. He seems to be a good teammate on the bench. Can’t see why some team wouldn’t take SWat as a throw in. If Kiki played SWat more his value would go up, but Nets are so bad at backup Bigs, they need to keep SWat for now.

Why must we have to choose one player to develop at a time? Can’t we put everyone out there and have them play TOGETHER like a team?! Having each player take their time in the spotlight is a horrible idea, horrible coaching, and awful for the psyche of the team as a whole, and the young individuals trapped on it. This absolutely SUCKS!

You cannot tell if “Kiki is focused on developing Yi” based on what happens in the games. Yi is shooting 50%, getting 7 rebounds/game, 1-2 blocks per game, is drawing fouls and is showing effort…he is getting playing time and is delivering.

If there was some indication that Kiki spends more time than normal running the team thru plays that are meant to set Yi up and no one else, then you can say he’s “focused on developing Yi”. But based on the games, Yi and Lopez are setting the same screens at the top of the key, Lopez is spending more time trying to post up, etc….just because Yi ends up with more open shots or opportunities to drive does not mean that “Kiki is focused on developing” him. Should Yi pass up the opportunity to score if it is open? If Yi was shooting something like 25% or even 30%, you might have an argument that he’s taking too many shots. But he’s shooting 50%…

We are developing certain individuals at the cost of possibly ruining others. We are not developing a team. Not only is this team poorly constructed, but it’s poorly managed, poorly coached, poorly supported. Right now this is the worst team ever assembled in league history. It’s the perfect storm.

I absolutely agreed with what PhilNYC said. All those Yi bashers are finding all sorts of excuses to blame on Yi. The way I see it is the goofy “Below-pez” that needs to grow up and play proper b-ball. Instead of being a team player, all he focused on his his stat. If he does not play well or shoot , he bitches and subtling suggesting, it is YI, who is taking away his shots or hindering him. Pleaze… In fact, He’s the one that who is disrupting the team chemistry, which will eventually cause a domino effect on other players. CDR already starting to take that route.

I am speaking to the flammers on here: If watching the Nets right now causes that much pain and anger such that it ruins your day and you feel the need to spend hours a week trashing players on an online blog, then I suggest you stop following the Nets for the time being. Sports is supposed to provide entertainment, thus, if you no longer are being entertained, why are you watching? Get over yourselves. If you take a sports team lose that personal, I can only recommend that you must have a good life since clearly there are no other pressing issues for you to worry about (unlike the rest of the country).

This team was not supposed to be good this season. I did not have any inflated expectations, and while I did not expect the team to lose this many games, I know things will get get better eventually. I have more important things that bother me, like everyday responsibilities, which have greater standing in my life than whether the Nets lose. Get over it, and try to enjoy the couple hours a week/month that you watch basketball.

What part of our 3-31 team do you enjoy watching?

Just because someone taken after your pick is better doesn’t make your pick a “bad pick”. Another team who got good by drafting a front line threw the draft. Remember that if we have the first pick.

Here’s CDR’s tweet after the game: "No words…I’ll be Casper for a while so I won’t say anything that isn’t “appropriate”."

Sounds like there is some bad stuff going on inside the locker room. I think it is Yi related at the root of it. Could get ugly. Just speculating.

First we have Lopez openly saying that he’s having a hard time adjusting to playing with Yi, now this stuff with CDR comes up. Something is going on in the locker room and I believe that it has led to the two back to back pathetic performances we’ve seen from this team. I said the other day that it looks like several players have quit and I am starting to think that i am right.

This environment is hazardous to developing talent. You can’t draft and bring in young guys and conduct a shoddy operation like this and expect good results. Someone has to put their foot down and get some kind of legitimate structure in place. This is just god awful and I blame 100% of this on the management.

I have no problem with Yi emerging, or him getting more touches because the guy can score, but I agree with dirt: you have to develop these kids as a team.

I won’t go so far as to say that Kiki has an agenda, but it wouldn’t shock me if he did considering that he was forced to fall on his own sword.

@Dziedzic
I Agree! Kiki was indifferent to D. His coaching is atrocious. THis team has not heart. no will.

@ PhilNYC

Yi is not a starter. He is a poor all around player. He scores meaningless points on a bad team. Kiki should have sat down the whole unit yesterday to teach them something, but no, he keeps Yi in there. Why? He is building up stats. That is what Kiki did as a player. The Nets are essentially playing 40 minutes of garbage time a night. If a player scores a lot of points in garbage time, that does not translate to a player playing real minutes. Yi is garbage time. Yi is also slowing down Lopez as Kiki shifts the offense outside. Bad call. He should be fired.

@Mr Dollar Bills

I agree that there is something going on in the locker room. Listening to CDR’s post-game comments about wishing that the team would “feed off each other and play together” says to me that there are some players in the locker room who are more interested in their own individual play. Lawrence Frank was a coach who had his “inner circle” of players (like Kidd, Carter…and this year it was Harris and Lopez), and Kiki seems like a “kumbaya/togetherness” guy who might be trying to strip down that “inner circle” clique.

@Yao

You are way too critical on Yi. “Meaningless points”? What about the games where he was scoring points and the team has been competitive thru a half or even 3/4? He is playing well on the offensive end. And if “Yi is slowing down Lopez”, then Lopez needs to figure out how to play team basketball….

I can’t see that Kiki has an agenda. And I don’t anything preferential to Yi. It’s different from what Frank did though. Frank played small ball in the 4th quarter and the end of the game, so we never saw Yi at the end. Other than that, nothing. Then Yi is the one who makes the difference. He has been aggressive and shooting well. Why should he get the more touches? PhilNYC is right, the kid has shot over 50%. Brook needs to grow up if he really feels what all these speculations imply. We don’t see Yi complaining when Brook was getting a lot of shots. We do need a coach who can blend the personnel better, to establish an identity. But accusing Kiki trying develop one player at the expense of the others is ridiculous and irresponsible.

Yi, find another team

Winning or losing, this NJ fans still find excuses to blames you, no matter how you performs.

Ridiculous…

We love you, your fans in China.

CDR talks too much as well. I remember at the beginning of the season(when Yi was injured), he told the media that some other players were not trying as hard as they should have. It could be true, but it is definitely politically incorrect. So I guess he tried to avoid the same mistake this time.
@PhilNYC
I wouldn’t even take poster Yao’s words seriously. He is a Yi hater who find faults about with Yi no matter what. For someone to say ‘meaningless points’, you have to label him as mentally retarded. What are the players on the court supposed to do? Not scoring? Then we have morons like Yao saying that they are not trying.

@eric (fans from China)

I have two things to say:

1. Yi bashers like Yao and Mr. Big, among others, do not represent the Nets fan base.

2. Yi going to another team will not put an end to what’s disturbing you on this board, because the fact of the matter is, regardless of which team Yi ends up on, some fans will always be biased towards Yi simply because of his ethnicity.

I think Kiki and Del Harris are much more closely identified with Yi than anyone else. Thorn did the Harris trade and Lopez and CDR fell to them. These remarks and the general attitude problem seem to have worsened significantly since Yi returned. Yi does not pass much. Those are the clues that support the idea that there is some disgruntlement among players other than Yi that the offense is going toward him more and he is being favored by Kiki.

I hope all these talks about locker room discontents are rumors. Of course, a losing team usually have problems like these, especially one is approaching the worst record in history. But regarding ball distributions, I don’t think it is worse than before. Remember when DH took a lot of shots, the Nets lost and we blamed him. When Brook Lopez took a lot of shots and became the top scorer of the team, the Nets lost. CDR took a lot of shots when most of the nets were injured, the Nets lost. So it is a team thing. Lopez and CDR, or any young players would love to have the ball ALL the time. Can’t make everybody. The biggest problem is because the Nets are losing and losing badly. If we are winning, people will keep quiet. But then, is Yi taking too many shots the reason we are losing? Absolutely not, this team falls apart in every category, offense, defence, shooting %, rebounds…..Every one on the damned team should take the blame. So stop bitching and just play ball!

There are some real funny people on here

Please, ethnicity?! We are critical of Yi b/c some of you have either a) drunk the kool-aid or b) confuse stats with being a player. He is not a complete player b/c his d stinks, his rebounding is inconsistent, and he does not make those around him better. No one argues this. You all just say he scores points. He shoots at 40% from downtown. So what. If he is playing 41 minuts and his coach is molding the offense around him….. Can he stop someone? Can he win games for you? Can he put pressure inside? Lopez and Harris need to be the focal point. Yi did not play late in games b/c he is a liability. I am not a fan of one-way players especially if they start. Do you guys need kumbayaa on this board or can you listen to different opinions? I only hope that whoever is in charge of this team going forward knows enough to see beyond stats and want to develop players that play both ends.

MT57 says it well above. I only hope a) this does not retard the growth of others and b) it is being done to showcase and trade Yi. If it is being done to prove Kiki right, well then we are taking steps back to satisfie Kiki. B/c they are going back and favoring offense over d and Yi over Lopez and individual play over team play

Don’t bring up that crap about ethnicity lol…although I’m OK with Yi, he does have a load of weaknesses, which posters here are bringing up; they’re not making personal attacks…

Let me tell the truth，when nets play defense like yesterday and grab rebounds like last 20 games，showing nothing desire to win, every points from anyone will be meaningless. Nets is not Suns or Warriors, they cannot score 120 per game, but they lose 120 every game. Thus, they will keep losing, thing is not going to change. Yi now can finish well in offense end, gets 7-8 free throws per game. He is efficient, gets 1.34 points per shots which is best in Nets. He shouldn’t be blamed at all, if anyone doesn’t like it, should blame on kiki.

@Yao
No nets is a complete player. No nets can stop anyone at the moment. Why single out any one of them? Your perpetual picking on Yi does raise suspicion of being racial prejudiced. A lot of people here feel the same way. It would help if you can sound a bit more objective.

@Yao

And “below-pez” makes others better, right? the dude is a complete goof ball with limited skill. He is lucky he has size to make up for his deficiency.

@Yao and all Yi haters, as a fan who watched how Yi won his championship in China, I can tell you some facts:

1) Yi was the MVP of Playoffs at the age of 20, he scored, rebounded and assisted very well. He was the start of most offences so he could have the time to think each of his next moves.

Now, your guards throw the ball to him at every last minute, how can he contribute assists?

Rebound is based on teamwork and good defense. Also it leads to the next fact:

2) Yi was one of the best rebounders in 08 Olympic games among all best players around the world. His rebounds were higher than Yao’s.

About consistency, suggest you have a longer vision before you judge.

As Chinese, I’m not just defending him without reasons. You know one simple fact in China, more than 50% of basketball fans did not like him in his first and second year in NBA.

We thought he was soft as you thought. Now, we see his determination and amibition to win, I hope you can see it as well.

In 1-2 years, he will be better than Yao. We believe in that.

Lastly, you know what, Chinese always have long vision. So we wait, and see, before making judgement.

p.s one last fact, last day when I was in subway watching the game live update in my cellphone, more than 1,000,000people were online…just data updates, no live video, still.

Good comment, Eric. To think that all Chinese fans like Yi simply for his enthicity is racist in itself. don’t forget the most popular NBA player is Kobe, not Yao Ming. I believe that Chinese fans are fair and objective people. The Chinese media actually called for restraints on the voting of NBA all-star when Yi first got in the league. On the other hand, their love for Yao and Yi is well justified. What people don’t want to see their fellow countrymen do well in the best league of the world? We can say that about Spain, Argentina, Greece, Brazil, France…..Yao and Yi both have taken a lot of absurd crap in this country but I don’t recall they said any bad thing about the team, the fans or the country. Just for that, all decent Americans salute you and your grace, Yao(the player, not the poster) and Yi.

thanks Bill, the No.1 basketball hero here in China is still Michael. For his achivement, his determination, his ambition, and his skills. We never care about he is black,white or yellow.

For Yao and Yi, they are the best players in China, but there are a lot to prove in NBA. If they don’t work hard, we won’t bilndly support them at all.

@Yao, if you can read Chinese, you will know how critical the Chinese media is on Yi…

He is under huge stress that you can’t image…just be understanding.

I don’t think Yi is perfect despite his good ststs lately. And I think most Yi supporters would agree that he still has a lot of shortcomings. But he is definitely no selfish player. when a lot of people were blaming for being soft and not aggressive enough in the paint, he was always setting up screen and pick n’roll for others. He was also seen working hard to get rebounds on the other end. This happens in China, Milwaukee and Jersey. His shortcomings are due to a lack of skills, not a lack of heart. We should be happy with his latest improvements.

Eric, I don’t think Yao the Yi hater reads Chinese. As a matter of facts, I don’t think he is Chinese at all. He is simply a grumpy individual who loves to vent out his personal frustrations on others. Archie Bunker II?

I love to see Yi in the Bulls uniform… Nets wanna trade Yi for Ty thomas? it will solve your Yi and Lopez problem… Ty Thomas don’t shoot much..