Thanks But No Tanks

John Wall's been described as the most transformational player to come out of the draft since Lebron James and right now, the Nets have the best shot at him. But that chance is mathematically no better than 1-in-4 and historically it's even less. With the revelation that Cleveland deliberately tried to lose games in 2003 to get Lebron, there's a debate over whether a team should tank to enhance its chances.
- John Wall: the ultimate consolation Prize - Mike Wells - Indianapolis Star-News
- Did the Cavaliers tank to help draft LeBron James? Of course - Kelly Dwyer - Ball Don't Lie
- Closer they are to Wall - Bethlehem Shoals - FanHouse
- The 72-73 Sixers record is in serious jeopardy - Gerald Narciso - DIME
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We better not be cheated out of this draft, John Wall will be a Net. Everyone hope and pray, then we trade Harris for a SG or PF.
by Randy Oreens on Jan 15, 2010 7:33 AM EST reply actions
Yeah it’s Not like we are trying to lose…that’s what happens when most of the starters are more like bench players.
by Andy on Jan 15, 2010 8:21 AM EST reply actions
There is no debate regarding the Nets. Even if the TWolves lose all of their games on purpose, chances are we would still be last when the season ends.
by NjNico on Jan 15, 2010 8:48 AM EST reply actions
In other words, it’s sad to be a nets fan at this very moment…
by Andy on Jan 15, 2010 9:10 AM EST reply actions
I don’t watch the Nets anymore
I know the players are trying, however there isn’t a competitive team in NJ right now. The players aren’t cool with that, but you know management is. Unfortunately they started looking to 2010 in 2008-2009.
So yeah you can say the lottery works, but if you don’t sign any play makers and you trade away your best veteran players than thats saying something. Who wants to watch the Yis, Hassels, Boones and Courtney Lees run around the court trying to play catch up from 17 down every night?
Yi is getting the Jamarcus Russel treatment and that’s not cool (coming from an oakland fan)
by Trenton on Jan 15, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions
“But that chance is mathematically no better than 1-in-4 and historically it’s even less.”
history doesn’t make any difference in random chance statistics. if a flipped coin comes up heads 99 times in a row, the chance of it coming up tails for the next throw is still only about 50%.
of course, given the number of nets fans who are assuming that we’ll get the #1, maybe the history line is worth keeping anyway.
by gigantes on Jan 15, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions
Obviously, the Nets are not intentionally tanking. They are just a historically bad team. If the Nets finished with the fewest wins in NBA history, and were awarded the #4 pick, it would be a total joke.
by Dumpy on Jan 15, 2010 9:40 AM EST reply actions
that lottery in may is going to be intense…hopefully luck will be with the nets.
by Andy on Jan 15, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions
The Nets better not finish with the worst record in nba history, because no players were that bad and won the championship.
by jarkid on Jan 15, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions
I want to see John Wall in Nets Uniform in June.
by jarkid on Jan 15, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions
I will be happy with a 1-4 draft pick.
Sure you would like the #1, but if we don’t get it, I won’t be crying any tears.
I just hope we get the #1 so we won’t have to hear all the whining on this message board.
It’s crazy that a number of posters are already pouting that are chances are not that good. That’s why it’s called a Lottery!
by Mike on Jan 15, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions
Plus it will be more interesting, exciting and fun if we don’t get the #1. Think of all the talk and intrigue leading up to the draft if we have the #2 or #3.
If we have the number #1 there will be no suspense at all.
by Mike on Jan 15, 2010 9:52 AM EST reply actions
Hey, I just happy we have our 1st round draft pick.
Imagine being a Knicks fan come draft day. I bet a lot of Knicks fans will be jumping on the Nets bandwagon even if it’s
just for one day… It’s called having a “rooting interest”.
by Mike on Jan 15, 2010 9:58 AM EST reply actions
Maybe David Stern will let his newest and richest owner, Proky, load the ping pong balls into the hopper backstage.
That would be a very nice gesture. LOL
by Mike on Jan 15, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Thorn made sure we had the worst record this year when he traded VC and made sure Big time was our best PF. Thats why our coach always talks about how hard we played and we have nothing to show for it. While Wall might be the best college player, this team will not improve unless we get two great defensive forwards otherwise the same problems we had last year and this year, we’ll have next year.
by Mr. Big on Jan 15, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions
I don’t need suspense. I’d be good with a nice boring, predictable, and planned start for the Nets
by Paul B on Jan 15, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions
Can anyone provide a scouting report on Demarcus Cousins? I have read he is putting up 31 pts and 20+ rebounds per 40 minutes, but he routinely gets in foul trouble which limits his opportunities. But he is young, huge, and seems to be astoundingly productive when he is on the court. Any chance he is considered a top 5 draft choice by June?
by Chris2 on Jan 15, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions
I’ve been watching all of Kentucky’s games since it appears that Wall is the consensus first pick. I see Wall as a very good player but I don’t know that he can transform a franchise. He’d be very good piece to a puzzle. But he doesn’t seem to dominate. He has great athletic ability and great spreed to get up the floor. But I don’t know that he’d be much different than Derek Rose. Now don’t get me wrong because Rose is a very good player. But he’s not a dominant player. I don’t think there is a dominant player in this years draft. It would be sweet to have a Kevin Durant type player. I hope I’m wrong and Wall is dominant but I haven’t seen it yet.. And if not Wall, who would be the number 2 and 3 picks?
by supreme on Jan 15, 2010 10:41 AM EST reply actions
guys John Wall is going to be a net. quote me on it. Stern have something to do on why Lebron is a Cavalier now. We have a new owner coming in after this season so be patient.
by Gemini on Jan 15, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions
uhh, why would we need to tank? We can lose 60 games without trying to lose. Is losing supposed to be some sort of challenge to the Nets?
Demarcus Cousins is a pretty big risk as of now. He’s predicted to be a first round draft pick, but is barely a lottery pick. He’s got attitude/performance problems. Theoretically he’s a monster, but doesn’t have it all together yet.
In other news, if we don’t get the first pick, which is likely who do we take? I like Evan Turner, he’s a walking triple double and his passing would blend well with Devin who like to score. Derrick Favors’ upside should maybe come after him.
by muwu on Jan 15, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions
C’mon. Wall is the uncontested unchallenged number one pick. No comes within a hair of him. If Utah were magically getting the number 1 pick, they’d still pick him. Because he could be better than Deron Williams. Yeah he could be. He’s crazy unbelievable athletic. He’s a great great passer and floor general. And he’s proven many times in recent games that he is as clutch as they come. This guy is a lock to be a multiple time allstar. No matter who their point guard is, every single team in the league will pick Wall 100 times in 100 instances.
by muwu on Jan 15, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions
And before you get yourselves too excited, just think about how Minnesota and Indiana fans are saying the exact same thing you are right now. The number one pick is by no way shape or form a lock for anyone.
by muwu on Jan 15, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions
Just read the CDR tweets.Who does this nitwit think he is.He is starting on the only team in the nba he could start on and they may be the worst team in the last 40 years.He is a prima donna, his attitude stinks, and next year he will be on someone elses bench or right next to bsimmons.This clown is a big part of the reason nets are 3-36.What,does he think that if the offense flows thru him they would be 36-3? Now I realize why he fell to the 2nd round.Trade him for Najera
by frank c on Jan 15, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions
CDR’s got a huge ego an incredible me vs the world complex. Rather than constant talking about it, why doesn’t he do something besides scoring if he’s sick of losing? Maybe that would help more. Last time I checked he doesn’t contribute much except points
by muwu on Jan 15, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions
Wall or Turner with our lotto pick
Monroe or Cousins with the Mavs pick (I dream one of them will fall to us)
Varnado or Jordan with our 2nd rounder (#31)
by Andrés on Jan 15, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions
No team can out-tank the Nets. Losing right now is the DNA of this team.
by Edd on Jan 15, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions
1990 NBA Draft: Derrick Coleman (Nets)
2000 NBA Draft: Kenyon Martin (Nets)
2010 NBA Draft: ????
It’s NJ’s turn again. Have a little faith. I’m sure Wall or Favors will be the pick, but as long as they pick Manny Harris with 1 of the other 2 picks I’m good. I think he would be a great addition to to the team if he comes out.
by MP3 on Jan 15, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions
john wall babbbbuyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
this guy is a nj nets next year
by joet on Jan 15, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions
If u guys say that u would be happy with anything other then the #1 pick then your out of your mind. All this pain and suffering I’ve gone through watching this team, they better reward me with john wall atleast!!!if we don’t get john wall then we should trade the pick! That’s the buttom line.
by christos on Jan 15, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions
draft Wall, S&T Bosh, sign Lebron.
Turn Lopez into a two way center, focus more on defense…
turn Harris and Yi into supersubs…
by rightclue on Jan 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions
nice name drop, Russ
you forgot “In Theaters Now!”
by Trenton on Jan 15, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions
It would be nice if we do get a #1 pick after every 10 years…
90 derrick coleman, 00 with Kmart, and this year Jwall.
by LetsGoNets on Jan 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions
How about this:
PG: Harris/T. Williams/ Shved (in Second Round)
SG: LeBron/Lee
SF: Turner or W. Johnson / CDR
PF: Bosh / Yi
C: Lopez / whatever center falls in 1st to Mavs pick, preferably someone who can step in and provide minutes early.
That possibility would be enticing to LeBron and Bosh, it would be a younger version of the Lakers. They would still own future first and could package younger players for veterans if the mix isn’t right. I don’t think any team could really match that package. We don’t need Wall, I personally think that Johnson would would well with LeBron. Think a future J. Smith with a better outside shot and attitude.
by gsloots on Jan 15, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions
Do the nets own the 2nd round pick? or is it seattle who own it?
by Gemini on Jan 15, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions
This is supposed to be one of the better and deeper drafts in years.
So far we have 3 out of the first 31 picks. One of our picks will be a number 1-4.
How much more can you ask for?
I wouldn’t be surprised if we traded up for another top 10
ten draft pick.
Unless we trade some of our top picks, this years draft should be a hoot.
This message board will be going bananas…
Can’t wait…
by Mike on Jan 15, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions
Do we own our 2nd round pick? Wasn’t it traded back in 2006 to the Sonics for Mikki Moore, and is now with Charlotte?
by muwu on Jan 15, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions
The Nets own their second round pick.
The second round of the NBA draft is done strictly by record.
If the Nets finish with the worst record, they will pick first, #31 to be exact.
by Mike on Jan 15, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions
@chris2
I don’t think Cousins makes it into the top 5 but he should go in the lottery. Most mocks have had him going in the late teens to early 20’s but his size and productivity will be too much to ignore come draft day.
The reasons he’s not projected to go earlier are that he’s not a great athlete, perceived immaturity and lack of conditioning. If he’s overweight at 19, teams will worry about him eating his way out of the NBA.
by Tin Man on Jan 15, 2010 1:29 PM EST reply actions
@supreme
I agree with you about Wall, while he will definitely be a good NBA player, some people are going way overboard about him. I’ve heard some analysts proclaim him to be the best freshman since Jordan which is absurd. Durant and Anthony among many others were much more impressive than Wall has been so far as freshman.
He has been better than Rose was as a freshman but I’m not sure I would rank ahead of Kidd, Marbury or Iverson at this point.
by Tin Man on Jan 15, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
I believe the Sixers won the NBA championship four years after finishing with the worst record ever.
by Net Income on Jan 15, 2010 1:44 PM EST reply actions
@muwu,
Last year’s (2009) 2nd rounder was traded for Moore. We have no future draft picks traded.
by TheNetsFan on Jan 15, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions
Wall will be great but I am really hoping we can get that 4 position locked down too.
I thought we would be drafting #1 in the 2nd round. That is #33 right or am I missing something?
by Russ on Jan 15, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions
I have a question.
What happen if the Timberwolves get the 1st pick?
Would they draft John Wall? Trade Rubio? How about Flynn???
by Panareal on Jan 15, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions
@Panareal
They would still draft Wall and they would most likely trade the rights to Rubio for another 1st round draft pick in 2011. They will keep both of Wall and Flynn. Flynn is a good player and I think they can work together.
by Chuck D on Jan 15, 2010 2:41 PM EST reply actions
Three potential lottery teams could consider passing on Wall or trading down if they got the 1st pick…Utah, Chicago & Minnesota. The Wolves may shock again, draft Wall & attempt to deal Flynn and Rubio, but since they’ll be desperate to move the latter two, they will likely not get anything close to fair value.
by TheNetsFan on Jan 15, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions
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by Carlos on Jan 15, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think we have a choice here. We are not tanking. We are just bad, have a bad coach, and have bad ownership. Sad to think we could be this bad and NOT get the top draft. But, really, we need a PF more than anything. I hope Kiki and Thorn are smart enough to realize that Lop and Yi are not tough enough and only one of them should be playing at a time with Boozer or Bosh!
by geo on Jan 15, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions
It will be great that we get the #1 draft pick, which is Wall. But even if we don’t, we can still make a lot out of our first rounders. Not every #1 pan out to be a difference maker,e.g. Oden, Bogut, Brown….There are 59 players to be picked and a few difference makers are among them. It sure won’t hurt if we get a Manu or a T. Parker. So keep an open mind.
by bill on Jan 15, 2010 7:09 PM EST reply actions
On a 3-34 team, there is a need to every position. Forget about drafting for need, take the best player available. Wall seems to be the answer now. But who knows, they all look good in college. Hate to admit this, luck does play a part in this business.
by James on Jan 15, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions
I hope Proky will pay 20 millions to Stern for a guarantee to get the first one pick.
by jarkid on Jan 15, 2010 9:32 PM EST reply actions

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