Would the Nets Do a Deal Before July?

Championships aren’t build around PG’s, they are built around SG’s.

As much as I like Devin, I would prefer we go get ourselfs a stud of a SG. A game changer.

What this says to me is that the Ratner era is over…that Prokhorov is now in charge. NO way a deal like this is happening or even rumored without approval from Moscow. We’re talking about a big financial commitment.

“The same source said that the Nets might be willing to move Devin Harris, along with an expiring contract or two, if they could land an All-Star and another young asset. The source said Brook Lopez was the only untouchable on the team.

The thinking is that if the Nets can land two good players now, that might be better than having to overpay to good players this summer out of desperation."

THANK GOD!! Someone in that front office has a functioning brain. Sell high on Harris and see what you can get NOW.

We are so lucky to have someone like you as our GM vetter.

Let me see if I’m reading this right – We’re trying to move Devin for what, Bosh?

@J-KAY

It is indeed poorly written but yes, something like that.

Sound thinking. Why wait for something that ain’t going to happen. If we have no, or little, chance at LeBron or Bosh why not strike now. I don’t want to over pay for Boozer, Johnson, Lee etc. Come to think of it, LeBron and Bosh bore me.

I see a very good team in 3 years, not next year.

I’ve waited this long, what’s another 3 years…

Lets play it smart, Lets go Nets…

What exactly would be the benefit of making such a deal rather than waiting until the offseason to attempt to sign him? Is it simply a matter of being able to offer him more money makes it more likely he’d stick around?

Bye Harris ever since you came we havent made the playoffs. I am thinking we could get Tmac for Devin harris and Boone.

Bosh??? I thought the article said he was not a realistic option?

Why trade for an unrestricted free agent who has openly said he’s not interested in coming here next summer?
We would essentially lose Harris and more for nothing.

If we’re going to trade for a FA, at least target a restricted FA that we would have matching rights on.

YES! YES! YES!

sounds interesting.

We should trade Harris now.

We should trade him for draft picks or young studs. I’d trade Harris to either the 76ers or the Heat who have multiple picks. Or maybe the Lakers trade Bynum for Harris, plus another team in a 3 way trade. Us getting picks and a young player that team getting Bynum and Lakers getting Harris. hmmmmm….

Didn’t Bosh mention he didn’t want to come to the Nets. Now why would the Nets give up Harris for somebody that is going to leave unless we get a extention.

Also I don’t see what is the big deal about Bosh, I mean the guy hasn’t really accomplish much. I think he is just a 2nd tier allstar.

no don’t trade him his contract is good for the numbers he avg

yes that would be awesome but don’t think raptors would do it. besides bosh does not want to play for nets. then who would r pg be? dooling haha he is a great backup! im not so sure about this trade but bosh is great

@Mike
I think it is a poorly written article but I also think his source is either Thorn or Vandeweghe…and I think it’s calculated. They are not sharing their thoughts on this without believing they can gain benefit from having them published on ESPN.com.

I think for once, NI misread the article. What I gleamed from Ford, is that Bosh and LeBron are out of the Nets reach. The Nets sensing this are going after some other big game. Maybe I miscomprehended.

Yeah, I don’t think that Ford is talking about trading Harris for Bosh, which i doubt Toronto would entertain plus, Bosh doesn’t want to play here.

Yep Bosh and Lebrillionaire not coming to Nets.

Dave D thinks it;s ALL about Bosh…

By the way, The Boss thinks some of the big names of the 2010 market will, in fact, be on the move in the next five weeks.

"I think there is a possibility, yes," Thorn said.

Specifically, one of the top five or six free agents from that market?

"I think there’s a possibility there, yes."

Are you getting into that game?

"Uh…don’t know."

But if you were, you’d need some guarantees. . . .theoretically.

"I can’t say that. But if you make a deal for an expiring free agent of the major variety, you’d have to feel your chances were very good to re-sign that player."

Interpret that as you may, but we’d say Bosh-Watchers should be right around DEFCON-3 right now.

I think, NI, I see what you are alluding too. The Nets pull themselves out of the LeBron and Bosh sweepstakes, to lower their market price, then come on like gangbusters…

The Nets and Knicks have all the money. LMAO.

I will say it again
Yi and BS add a 2nd round draft pick to Toronto for Bosh.

The Raptors already have an international team and the city of Toronto has 1 million asian people. This is a logical move especially for Toronto. Yi has another year left on his contract also Yi would keep basketball in Canada and China alive.

Those big old knee braces and Bosh’s lanky gangly body make me think twice about wanting him as a Net.

@Mike
It’s called setting the market.

ahh, the good old deal with the raptors it brings back memories.
I say we trade away harris. We don’t need to worry about who our pg will be, because he never really was one. Dooling does a better job at it and he shoots better and drives it in more. We have so many players that can play the guard. Players that can finally play their original spot like CDR.

NI, thank you, now I see the light…

This explains why the Nets aren’t cutting Shawne Williams. His contract.

Thorn is a very smart man he’ll make this thing work. Expert at trades remember this and we done good so far with the new additions i’ll say for what we gave up.

Go Thorn! Go Kiki!

This trade works on ESPN trade machine. $23 million are exchanged between each team

TO TORONTO:

2nd first round pick
PG Devin Harris
SG Chris Douglas-Roberts
PF Yi Jianlian
SF Bobby Simmons

TO NEW JERSEY:

PF Chris Bosh
PG Jose Calderon

It sounds to me, Thorn and Kiki and maybe even Proky are taking the gloves off…

Good, lets be active, instead of re-active…

@Dumpy
Indeed…it’s all about assets. NINE expiring contracts worth $34.6 million combined: Simmons, Battie, Hassell, Dooling, Williams, Hayes, Boone, Quinn, CDR, ranging in size from $11.24 million to $854,000, plus 10 draft choices over a three year horizon.

And note this as well…if need be: the Nets still have every dime of their MLE, which is NOT pro-rated. If they need to sign someone, as the Mavs did with KVH, that money is available.

don’t matter if we trade devin for bosh then we won’t have a pg. U NEED a good pg to win and chris quinn is not that lol. devin is a good player he has just been injured lately. i swear u nets fans always want to trade someone when their doing bad.

I think if we’re able to land Bosh once he play’s along side B-Lopez there’s NO way he’s not going to want to resign with this team. Esp. the money we’ll be willing to pay him. Thorn knows this too I see bosh in our future.

DeRozan should come back in that deal, too.

I’m most relieved that the article states Brook Lopez is one true untouchable on the team.

Hey this season is turning out great. It’s getting more interesting and exciting watching the off court moves then the actual games played. No wonder Kiki wanted to remain G.M.

And we still have the draft coming up in a few short months!

If we were ever able to land Bosh, wouldn’t our chances at Wall significantly decrease? Who runs the point next year if Harris is traded? Dooling can’t lead a team deep into the playoffs. Who would we get? We won’t be picking 1st overall if we get Bosh before the season ends. Would we be in the lottery? Yes. But getting Wall? The likelihood is low.

w/e we have Kris Humphries. Isn’t that enough nets fans? what are we getting excited about.

@Jim;

 If we get Bosh for Harris, I will run the point…

1 million Asian people in Toronto does not mean 1 million Yi fans.

Do not make the mistake of conflating Chinese with Asian.

Use this analogy:

Would a tanned Italian necessarily equate him or herself under the same umbrella as a fair skinned Scandinavian? Both are technically Europeans.

Would an Arab Pakistani wish to associate him/herself with Hindu Indian?

Similarly, a japanese, korean, hmong, vietnamese, laotian, etc… would not necessarily want to be associated with Chinese.

back to the topic at hand:

Let’s say the Nets do indeed somehow swing a deal for Bosh using their current spare parts.
Even if Bosh does not sign an extension and bolts this summer, doesn’t that mean the Nets have EVEN MORE CAP SPACE to work with? (though cap space itself does not guarantee too much)

Next years lineup:

Prokhorov-PG
CDR-SG
Bron-SF
Bosh-PF
Lopez-C

Head coach: Jay-z
assistant: Beyonce

“Come on CDR, I told u… gotta drive to the left to the left.”

Who runs the point if Harris goes?

Um, throw your 1s in the air!

Starbury!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hollah!

Why not see if we can grab Kevin Love or Al Jefferson from Minn. We can offer Yi, Courtney Lee and the Dallas pick. Is that too much to offer? Any thoughts? One of those two would be a good pairing with Brook.

We are going after big game… Bosh and LeBron.

Let the Lakers, Knicks and Miami worry about us…

Let them overpay, we have more money and assets then all of them combined.

I think Proky has taken the field…

WERE NOT GETTING BOSH, and even if we do we won’t be any better. bosh will score 40 a game and we still lose and u guys know it u need a good pg to build a team and devin is better then most. if we do get him we would still have 10,000 people at games lmao

They say in ancient times, before the great armies actually descended upon you, and ripped your guts out, you could hear them approaching miles away.

I hear a great Russian army approaching, miles away..

If we get Bosh, that’ll basically set our PG situation too as I think Bosh gets us Bron. Bron is the primary ballhandler, you can more than get by with a guy like Dooling if you have Bron. Of course thats a big if.

Thats a lot to give up to Minny for Jefferson or Love.

Do agree that our best shot at Bosh is to get him this season – where we then can offer the extra year and the added money. Bosh and Lopez is a formidable young front court with a guy like Humphries as backup. If we dealt DH – expect to see TWill running the point.

Wow honestly after reading all of this I think there is a great chance we land Bosh in a trade. We have EVERYTHING that toronto could want in a trade for Bosh (Harris,Expirings,picks) and we would also then become front-runners for LeBron. Throw in the fact that we still might get the #1 pick…things could turn around awful quickly folks..

Maybe YES should start televising the action inside the Nets headquarters rather than the games for the next few weeks. Every once in a while they can interupt the front office action with a live update from the court. LOL

@Ryan243
Splendid idea.

realistically, how much are the Nets willing to give up in terms of assets (young players such as DH, Clee, Yi, Twill, CDR) and draft picks to get Bosh now? I feel like there is no way we would deal for him unless we had assurances he wold resign. This could all be a ploy on the part of Thorndawege to see what Bosh and his agent have to say about playing in NJ.

I would prefer Bosh over anyone Minn. would have to offer, but, I also don’t want to give up too much and then Bosh splits after the season. It is very exciting to think Brook and Bosh can be in our starting lineup together though. We sure would have no problem scoring then.

I would honestly fight to keep CDR in any deal. His contract is reasonable, he is a good young player and has excellent 6th man potential – especially important if we do import an All-Star lineup. But most importantly the guy is a fighter who HATES to lose. You NEED to have competitors on a team if you want to be successful. Too many guys don’t have heart. When people complain about CDR mouthing off – its because the guy is a fighter and HATES to lose. Devin does not have that heart. Unfortunately neither does Brook. I think CDR is an integral part of the long term puzzle.

Boone harris hassell 1st rounder for Bosh

@Ryan243

I agree with your view about CDR and also agree that Harris doesnt seem to have that heart/killler instinct. That being said, I think Brook has it and comes to play hard everynight. Almost looks like he is gonna cry after every whistle.

To his credit, Harris has been injured. These groin injuries don’t magically heal and you go back to feeling 100% again.

Moreover, it’s quite obvious he does not operate well when the defensive pressure focuses solely on him. He was best as a second option at best.

But it’s hard to blame him for this. Moreover, when the team is 3-34, you can’t understand (though not necessarily sympathize with or tolerate) this kind of defeatist attitude from all players.

Russian military strategy is usually based on luring your prey in, feinting weakness, real or percieved, then destroying them with greater numbers no matter the cost.

Proky spent time in the Russian army…

any chance we can trade jessica taft and the GSW pick for Michelle Beadle?

Harris needs a lot of rest, he is turning in Tmac PG style…

still he could be good with a decent SG around

remember how good he was with Carter last year!!!

Ryan243,
I’ve said this b4. You and me coudln’t agree more. I too am a huge CDR fan and rave about how well he plays. U make a great point whn u say that he hates to lose. Competitive nature is so important on any team. U can have unlimited talent but without the want to win your nowhere.

Reasons why CDR will be one of the best players in the league:

*Plays at a high level EVERY night, even out of position
*He’s a warrior- he plays through so many injuries and never makes excuses! came back from swine flu missin only one game
*Hates losing- and makes it verbal too. Has natural leader insticts which All great layers posess
*Only in his second year, picked 40th overall and still battled his way into the starting lineup with a great work ethic and consitant play
*His play makes the offense flow-he has a high bball iq and has great court awarness!

CDR is the man!!!

If we didnt gave up on yi for like 2 years, why give up on harris on half season

both Harris and Yi have been injured a lot, but upon return harris has done more than yi… yi is having a scoring luck lately but Cmon, that wont last!!!

or it might stay at 13 ppg 7 rbp

Keep harris plz, sign a strong SG!!!

Clee suck!!!!!!!! :( :( :( :(

How about Yi and CDR or Lee and our #1 next year for Bosh?

Shawne Williams + pick for Bosh, do it! :)

MONEY TALKS!

if Bosh were to be acquired by us, then WE can give him the most money and the longest deal. with the economy that was all writers would talk about. why take less money and go to a team who may not win, when you can get more money and years to stay and know what you have?

1- i dont buy into players words when they talk about free agency. when players are courted by other teams those teams know how to sell their team/city and then show them the dollar signs.

you add bosh with brook and you have the best 4-5combo for years to come. does that make us more attractive? 100% yes. does that guarantee another star signing? No, but if you end up with Rudy Gay as your “main” signing it isnt as bad because you are teaming him with bosh and brook.

i do think that if we did trade for a all-star like bosh that he would resign. Yormark will sell him on brooklyn and the future, Thorn is a well respected figure in the league and the players know it and knowing that the new owner wants to win and will spend to win is a dream for athletes to hear.

I’ve faded away from Harris a bit. Not because of his injuries, but more because of his attitude. He is not the guy who will lead a team/franchise and that is fine, but he is in that position now and just cant handle it imo.

i’d hope come draft time that despite what we do before then that we hopefully win the #1 pick or if not we put a nice package together and get Wall in a Nets jersey. Whether devin is here or not.

Harris is injury prone, and as a point guard, you can’t not have the ability of jump shot.

Harris doesn’t drive as much as last season, I can understand, because he is protecting himself. But he must play decent defense while he doesn’t.

Most of young point guards around the league: Bayless, Brooks, Westbrook, Flynn, Jennings, even Conley, Felton, Harris can’t be any special than them so far.

If you did pair up Bosh and Lopez, this works fairly well because Lopez has already asserted himself to be quite the shot blocker. His help defense needs a lot of help though… as with overall defensive awareness. Look no further than last night’s game with Duncan getting open looks and Manhimi getting DUNKS!!

However, good big men without a good facilitator/passer/outside shooters is begging for disaster.

If the Nets deal Harris they have to hope they get Wall in the draft – and if they finish with a top 5 pick – be willing to package both picks and maybe more to move into that top spot.

An added enticement for free agents to come to NJ – I just heard on the news that the state of NJ is legalizing medical marijuana use.

Th

If the Nets deal Harris they have to hope they get Wall in the draft – and if they finish with a top 5 pick – be willing to package both picks and maybe more to move into that top spot.

An added enticement for free agents to come to NJ – I just heard on the news that the state of NJ is legalizing medical marijuana use.

Th

The biggest winner of the day ladies and gentlemen – Shawne Williams…….what a great time to be dealt to NJ! haha.

I do agree with xcalibur. If we can some how grab Bosh in a deal, we have a good chance to sign him and someone of atleast a Rudy Gay talent level, which is not too shabby. Couple those two potential moves with our #1 pick, even if it is not Wall, we have a legit contender.

maybe we trade harris for bosh, then boone, hassel/simmons or quinn for dj agustin he is good

@ austin

Good thought…try to know now if Bosh is a possibility…

This indicates a little lapse of faith in Yi in the front office. I like the lapse, I don’t think Yi has shown himself to be a starter on a very good team, which is what we want to be. But it is significant…. I did not think that the Nets would go hard after a 4, although I wanted them to.

Kiki might be losing his influence… He does look dumb on national tv on a regular basis these days.

Suppose it’s Carlos Boozer who IS the most likely of the top five or six free agents to be dealt at the deadline?

Would any of you give up Harris for Boozer? Boozer is only two years older than Bosh.

Suppose it’s Gay who even if restricted could be dealt at the deadline? Would you trade Harris for Gay? Gay IS the worst on-ball defender in the NBA.

At what point do you agree to trade an all-star?

Sorry, none of those guys has proven they can win much in this league.

Finally, does anyone trust Thorn or Vandeweghe to make the right decision now?

We do also NEED either through the draft, via free agency or a trade, a shooter/shooters. Someone like an Eddie House.

I don’t get to see much of Rudy Gay, but, if he is as bad of a defender as some say, I would pass on giving him a max contract. A max contract should only be to those players who have an all around game. DEFENSE is too important to over look. Just look at Yi.

@NI, Apparently Proky does… He’s the one who will be footing the bill. Lets see what Thorn and Kiki do playing with “house” money. Lets see what Proky does when they come to him for approval.

I can’t believe Proky’s or Ratner is letting them run wild without giving them the O.K.

I think we all need to stop recognizing Devin Harris as an current All Star type player. He may not even be in the top 15 pg’s within the NBA today. Trading him would not be the worst thing for the Nets, yet you better believe we are going to have to give up much more than him to obtain a star player.

@NI
 are u talking about DH as an allstar? You sure u watching YES Network or u are on IZOD ? make sure u not on madison square lol …. Haris was an allstar bc of Vince… I dont agree on a lot of trades RT did but if he can get Bosh for Devin minus cdr lopez and our 1 round … ill be happy and throw a party …

why would Toronto want Devin Harris? they don’t need a point guard. they have their own all star in Calderon, bad season notwithstanding, and a decent backup in Jarrett Jack. I don’t see this scenario at all, unless there’s a third team involved.

hang on i’m confused. if bosh is a free agent, and we get him now… then he can just leave and we are left with nothing right? or would he have to sign an extension first.

why would utah want harris when they have the best pg in the league right now?

I would trade harris if we were bringing back a good package though. immediately.

he doesnt have that killer instinct i like from my pg’s.

we should have traded him for rondo when we had the chance.

@Jim
now thats a team i would pay to see

if bosh goes to the lakers, they should be heavy favorites for the next 4 years, players like lebron and wade and boozer would have to team up with the heat just to have a chance,at a ring,
That being said if im the raptors i do the deal you are gertting a 22 y/o franchise center who is signed for 3 more years you have no cap space and players dont realy have toronto as a favorite free agent destination, bynum would do well with bargnai and all the permiter players he puts upo big nmbers when gasol is out. he would sure up there defense also
  I say for the nets to have a chnace to be free agent players, give utah,simmons expirng deal,cdr and if you have to throw in dallas number 1 pick,,then you can try to lure players and actually have more cap space, dallas pick and cdr will be about 2 and a half mil next yr, and boozer would be under our rights,,
  lopez 21 boozer 27 haris 27 top 4 pick, and enough money for 2 more free agents, lebron25 and gay23,,then you can compete for rings, right now noone is beating the lakers the next 4 years

if toronto was smart they would do the lakers proposed trade. i think bynum will play well out of that system and would command the paint in toronto.

if prokhorov is willing to, Thorn GO NETS!!! do it and blow the NBA away

But bosh already said he doesnt want to play for the nets, so he would not re-sign?…..

@ Net Income

Could it be that Kiki (most likely) or Rod are putting out stories to make people think they are actually doing something?

@ assorted Devin haters

He was THE difference maker in the Mavs run to the finals. The following year he was the starting PG on the winningest team in the league – and one of the few Mavs to show any heart in the playoffs -and the MAVs did not improve after he left. Last year he was the best player on the NETs, destroyed all the top PGs in the league at least once during the year and was a legitimate all star. He is routinely invited to team US training. He is by all accounts respected by his peers in the league. He has a very good contract from the team perspective. He is a good/great citizen and you need at least of few of these on your team.

He is having an average year (for whatever reason or reasons) and as a small PG he is not going to be the cornerstone player of any championship level team. He needs players around him and we have few/none. But dont say VC made Devin – check VC’s stats on the superior Magic team this year and read about his potential move to the bench….behind JJ Redick. Devin helped VC as much as VC helped Devin.

No one in my mind is untouchable on the NETS – only a handful are in the entire NBA (Kobe, Lebron, Howard, CP3, DWill, Roy, Durant, Wade). So if we get value, make the trade. But Devin is a quality top level player and person and the NETS will miss him.

don’t they mean februrary the trade deadline, should be interesting but don’t get ur hopes up nets fans

I haven’t read all the comments, but I think you guys have it all wrong.

Nets should be thinking of trading for someone good with at least one extra year on his contract or as someone pointed out, a restricted FA. Then they could add one more good piece this summer.

Thorn wouldn’t trade for someone who could leave in July.

Utah is still in the picture because if Proky wants AK47, and Utah management is desperate, Nets could require a swap of Knicks for Dallas pick. If Knicks fade as usual, that could become a top 5 pick. Remember that it was recently revealed that Jerry Sloane was the one against breaking up the Jazz.

I wouldn’t mind overpaying for DLee in July as he is now All-Star level.

Why should Nets be willing to give up Harris now, without knowing if Wall will be on Nets. Rather give up CLee if his value was high.

The only scenario where LeBron would come to Nets is if he won championship and Nets landed John Wall. Those odds are less than 10% (especially if Lakers got Bosh for Bynum).
LeBron is staying in Cleveland for 1 more year, so plan for 2011.

@Jay

Preach on brother!

NJ would be dumb to trade Harris right now. His value must his lowest since before he came a Net. He needs to at least string together a solid couple of months (which may not be until next season) before NJ thinks of trading him.

Jay,

That was a nice puff piece you wrote about Harris, but sadly, I had to let out a laugh after i finished reading it.

My thought got cut off, but as i was about to say, nothing that you wrote about Harris explains or goes into detail about how god awful he has been this year, and a lot of the issues that we are noticing about Harris this year were prevalent LAST year, especially his poor defense, the turnovers, and awful shot selection. But I’ll let you and the other people that have the Harris blinders on tell it like you see it

Like I said months ago and to piggy back what Jay said, we need more very good players not less. Devin Harris is not Dwayne Wade or Lebron, but, he is a very good player. We do not have many of those, hence our record. We should be adding pieces that make our team better. We gave up RJ and Vince for not much, but, more for cap space. We must find the right pieces to replace those guys because so far we have not. Last summer, we were all getting excited because we thought we were going to trade for a disgruntled Boozer and he even visited NJ. We could have had a starting lineup that included Devin, Vince, Boozer and Brook. Management decided to go in a different direction. We now stink, but, we have a chance now to atleast get a top three pick in a good draft and a lot of cap space to improve. We shall see what Rod has up his sleeve.

I still think, though, if the RIGHT trade is there we should trade Devin. I do not, however, want another Yi and Bobby Simmons. We need a legit player in return.

Trade Devin? NO!

If we make a package to Toronto, lets say Devin, Simmons, etc, etc for bosh would it be worth it? We could loose bosh at the end of the season because why would he stay on a team whos starting pg will be keyon dooling??? They would still prob be on pace for a 10 game winning season because bosh will have to be incorporated into the offense and keyon is not a legit pg. So we loose Devin, picks, expiring contracts and then loose bosh at the end of the season.. this all makes sense to me now… _

A trade that the Nets should be looking @ if where going to deal harris is a deal maybe involving Kevin Martin and Jason Thompson of the Kings…Those are 2 good young talents you can use and lure free Agents with next yr + were gonna have a good draft pic…We have pure scoorer/shooter in Martin, and a good young powerforward in Thompson next to Lopez. Honestly trying to overeach for guys might not want to be here/overated not the way to go.

I can’t see Harris being traded, before we know if Wall is coming. Besides, of the young Nets available, CDR probably has the value he deserves right now. CLee and Harris have lower value than at end of last year and TWill is highly undervalued IMO. I wouldn’t mind trading Yi for Boozer, but then Boozer would have to be paid well in July.

What is the big deal for paying an extra 20-30% for a FA in early July, but not having to give up one of our promising young players?

we could trade simmons, battie, and PICKS for a star….harris goes no where.

We could probly send Boone and Harris + pick if need be 4 Thompson and Kevin Martin….Those types deals what we should be looking @ to strenghthen our team 4 next year

People are wasting their energy on trying to trade Harris.

Instead focus on who the Nets could get and keep.
Think of restricted FAs and those with a bad 2011 contract or good players sitting on the bench this year.

Bottome line is if we do give out max contracts in the next couple of off seasons, we need all around star players. Not just players who can score. I want to see management build a team the right way. DEFENSE along with offense is needed to win championships. AND THAT IS THE GOAL FOR THIS FRANCHISE! Look at the recent champions, Lakers, Spurs, Celtics and even when the Nets made it to the Finals both years. All of those teams played very solid defense. We, right now do NOT have a solid defensive minded team.

Keep CDR. I think he, too (along with Brook), should be untouchable.

Devin Harris would be a great off the bench guy when healthy. Someone to come in and sprint the other team into the ground. But as I have said from day one- Devin is not a true point guard and doesn’t shoot well enough to be a shooting guard. And, as a guard in general, you really need to have a 3pt shot so the D doesn’t just lay back in the post. Devin is shooting a god-awful 20% from three this year and shoots it at 29% for his career.

Why do some fans so desperately need a hero that they are willing to elevate and fabricate Devin’s true worth?

Devin is a great guy who has some spurts of above average play. He is just not a game changer on a nightly basis.

I like Devin Harris but he is not a true point guard. He doesn’t make the team better, and we’ve been spoiled for years by J Kidd. Harris almost seems more like a return to a (hate to say it) Marbury type player than to a successor to Kidd. I would rather not my Harris jersey be rendered obsolete so soon though, as much as he’s struggled this season I’m holdin on to hope…

@Nets Daily
please forgive me for this one but it has to be said.

The Nets have to have one of the weirdest if not the weirdest fan base in the league. How we get from trading Devin Harris to him coming off the bench aww man somebody please tell me this is a joke??

its a joke man…people are entitled to there opinions…i know devin has been struggling big time but what he last season was remarkable. if harris could get to a similar level as last years we’ll be ok.

harris is here to stay…i see him in our future unless we get wall…

Thank you, I thought I was going crazy. I know people are entitled to their opinions but come on some of these post are like fans from other teams are coming in here posting things to drive the Net fans crazy.

Yeah 1 yr removed from an Allstar appearance now he should come off the bench??? SMH You put Rondo on this team he would look the same way if not worse…Your supporting cast is what its all about in this league, unless your a Lebron or Kobe etc..

Devin isnt going anywhere.
His value is a lot lower than what it was last year because he’s playing injured this year.
Thorn wont be dumb enough to sell him when his value is this low.
Besides Im very much against this.
Yes Devin hasnt been the all star we needed him to be this year but that’s because he was injured all year, now I dont think he’s a good 1st option player but he’s gonna be a fantastic 2nd or 3rd option going forward with this team.
His small contract doesnt hurt our cap space options.

The term All-star is always used wrong by fans. It is not a term used to define how good a player is. Period. It is a measure of how popular a player is with fans. Seriously folks. It is quite likely that Allen Iverson and Tracy Mcgrady will be starters in the all-star game this year. Think about it.

My assessment of Harris is the same as it was in his ‘all-star’ year and it is purely objective. You saw him playing along side VC and his numbers were slightly higher but he still couldn’t shoot. His defense was still poor. We still missed the playoffs.

Harris averaged 21pts and 7a last year which isn’t too shabby on the surface. But, as it has been said a million times, VC got a lot of attention. That gave Harris a lot of room to work. Not to mention you could attribute a few assist per game just on VC’s ability to create.

A great pg makes those LESS talented around him much better. For example how CP3 got everyone around him involved when we played the Hornets the other night. There is no way that team is playing close to .500 ball without him. They would be a lottery team. He gave his teammates sooo many easy shots with the only other true talent on that team being David West.

Nets get:
Bosh

Toronto gets:
Harris
Yi
Hayes

It works on espn trade machine.
Starting lineup 2010

Pg Wall
Sg JJ
Sf CDR
Pf Bosh
C Lopez

I say at least Eastern conference champs in 2010 :D

Calderon to Sacremento
Martin, Harris, Boone, Mavs pick to Toronto
Bosh to NJ

I only do this for Lebron. Otherwise why waste assets for the next 40 games?

Nets would be beyond stupid if they gave up anything valuable for a guy who’ll be a FA next summer.

First off, Chris Bosh is the most overrated player in the game. He ain’t a true star. I wouldn’t give up on a bag of chips for him, let alone Devin and Yi and a pick like some here propose, LOL. I wouldn’t give up that even if he weren’t a FA.

Do you thin he’d be happy if he was traded to a 3-34 team? He already said he won’t consider signing with us.

Say NO to Chris Bosh.

Please don’t make stupid, desperate moves. The season us lost and no top tier FA will come here regardless of what we do, please face it and move on.

I haven’t liked the way Devin has been playing this year, and wouldn’t mind if he was traded. However, to defend him a little, if you watch how many times he feeds his teammates for open shots and they miss those open shots it reflects badly on Devin. Courtney Lee and TWill have been horrible shooting the ball and that’s a big diference from VC. Devin can’t carry a team but if he had a shooting guard that was consistent or even explosive, Devin would be the same player he was last year.

I don’t want to see Devin go. I want to draft John Wall. I want to date 28 year old exotic dancers who disappear right afterwards and return only when I want them, and be mute.

I can see maybe a 3 or 4 way deal being made with the pistons, nets, jazz, and raptors. those 4 teams are not where they need to be. the pistons especially need to make a move.

also washington is going to shake up that team very soon.

The nets have come to the realization that being so piss poor but having a ton of money is not attractive to FA. now they are in panic mode. I see some major changes going down and at least 1 big name being on this team b4 the trade deadline. They still have their eye on bronbron, so to attract him this team has to get respectable. I do not see them moving that 1st round pick though unless they are getting a young allstar in return.

bye bye devin.

Ryan243,
I’ve said this b4. You and me coudln’t agree more. I too am a huge CDR fan and rave about how well he plays. U make a great point whn u say that he hates to lose. Competitive nature is so important on any team. U can have unlimited talent but without the want to win your nowhere.

Reasons why CDR will be one of the best players in the league:

*Plays at a high level EVERY night, even out of position
*He’s a warrior- he plays through so many injuries and never makes excuses! came back from swine flu missin only one game
*Hates losing- and makes it verbal too. Has natural leader insticts which All great layers posess
*Only in his second year, picked 40th overall and still battled his way into the starting lineup with a great work ethic and consitant play
*His play makes the offense flow-he has a high bball iq and has great court awarness!

CDR is the man!!!

Why do people think it is so difficult to go out and find another point guard that can deliver similar stats as Devin (16 & 7) with the solid minutes that he is given? The people here fail to realize that without trading Devin…we can forget obtaining any quality players before the FA period.

You go out and get Bosh/Boozer/Gay to team with Brook and Yi and lots of PG’s will be dying to join the Nets as FA’s.

Lopez and Harris should be the rock of the team building. Although I am a Yi fan I can see him being a trade asset to someone. Unfortunatly i cannot see anyone wanting anyone else, at least enough to make an good trade. There just are not enough attractive assets to offer. The only guys worth trading are the ones we really need to keep (hence why we are so piss poor this year).

“adam.y Says:
January 12th, 2010 at 2:46 am

Devin isnt going anywhere.
His value is a lot lower than what it was last year because he’s playing injured this year."

This is a bunch of hogwash, I’m sorry.

Everything that Harris is doing wrong this year he was doing LAST year. Injuries are not an excuse for poor decision making, lack of leadership, a non commitment to playing defense and making others better, poor shot selection, etc etc.

ALL of you should have seen the writing on the wall when this kid was worried more about his all star berth and winning the MIP award instead of winning games. An alarm should have sounded when he admitted last year to the press that Frank would hound him constantly to play defense and he flat out REFUSED.

Stop putting Harris on a pedestal. He is not a superstar talent, and he needs a strict coach that will keep him on a leash to get the best out of him on both ends.

I think Thorn is itching to trade Harris and has been for some time. He is not a Thorn type of player. One way or another, Harris is on his way out.

Sending Harris to Toronto as part of a bigger deal for Bosh, who can walk at season’s end, is a risk, but it is a calculated risk. We would become the team able to pay Bosh more than any other team, and at the same time, the perception of the Nets would change for the positive. You get some luck in the lottery and land Wall, then you have Wall, Bosh and Lopez, and room for another max contract. If Cleveland fizzles in the playoffs, I think we would become a favorite to land Lebron if those things were to happen. If Bosh leaves, you still gain the ability to be the only team in the league able to hand out two max contracts, either both in 2010, or one in 2010 and another in 2011.

What I think people are missing, is the cap management aspect of a Harris/Yi/S.Williams trade for Bosh. Harris and Yi are due to make roughly $11 million next year. If they are traded for Bosh, suddenly the Nets have about $36 million in cap space next year (enough to give maximum contracts to two free agents, such as Bosh and LBJ). We would be the only team in the league that could offer those two maximum contracts to play together (with Brook Lopez and possibly the John Wall).

Uh, wasn’t the point of doing an in-season not so that we don’t have to overpay Lee, Gay, Boozer, etc.? So the logic of trading for them would be? And why even run the risk with bosh? 70-30 he’s leaving if you do trade for him, sure it’s so easy to propose it since it’s not your job on the line.

You know there are other players out there. Andre Iguodala for example can be had with a sweet enough package if they continue to struggle. Al Jefferson could also be had. Just examples to say there are more players you could be thinking of

I’m sick of hearing the words caps space and two max contracts. Cap space means nothing if nobody wants to take it. There won’t be 2 FAs worth a max deal that would want to sign here, that’s the bottom line. I’m fed up with this 2010 BS. We have lost enough good players because of this joke of a plan. Stop pipedreaming and focus on what we have and could reallistically add.

The All Star starters are an indication of popularity. Usually, but not always, it is also a measure of how good the player is.

If the player is voted in byb the coaches, that really should be indication of how good the player is.

I don’t think Devin Harris will be traded this season. If anything it will be during the offseason, or right after we know what pick we’re getting.

If we’re lucky enough to get the #1 pick, then you can bet that Harris is as good as gone. Because there’s no way that Devin can play the 2 spot, since he can’t shoot. And it will be stupid to play Wall at the 2 spot because he is most effective running the point.

I have a feeling that we might trade Devin for one of the 2011 FA’s instead.

we’re gona trade devin if we’re 2 get the number1 pick in john wall n if we dont then idk wat we’re gona do wit devin

Trade harris while he still has value. I dunt know about you ppl but when I watch the nets games he just doesn’t have the skills he had last season. Smh

you guys r 2 worried about getting bosh when there r many players out there that can also help this team. however bosh is the player we need the most.
if for w.e reason we’re to trade devin harris this year then who becomes our pg? john wall? i doubt we get the 1st pick then what? we trade our 2 picks, and 4 what?
comon u all gota think ahead. if the nets r 2 make 1 move the is no doubt that their gona make another.

@ Andres – Cap space also means if Denver wants to trade Melo and dont want to take huge contracts back. the Nets can do that.

All this talk about Harris for Bosh. Unless thorn and Kiki know something that we dont, this is a very risky trade. We send an assist for a guy that can walk. Unless Thorn and Kiki know that Lebron wants to come here next year and he will convince Bosh to stay, I dont know if I would do this. I would never do this trade if our #1 this year is included. If they want next years, then I am ok with that. I would never include this years #1 especially if we are sending Harris. Any other combination works for me.

By the way, if we really intend to compete next seaon at a high level, it may very well be the case that our own draft pick is trade bait if we fail to land the number one choice. It could be reminiscent of Boston a few years back – they were gearing for a top 2 pick to take Oden or Durant, but when they failed to do so, they traded their pick to Seattle for Ray Allen, teamed him with Paul Pierce, and that convinced KG to accept the trade there. Something similar could go down with the Nets methinks. I don’t think the team is going to accept this level of losing heading into Brooklyn.

Maybe the Nets can gamble and try to trade either Devin or Courtney with Josh Boone and Simmons to the Raptors for Chris Bosh now.

I know that Chris Bosh is unrestricted FA and he might not sign with us, but if we get him now via trade, does that qualify us to be able to offer him the max year and max salary now of a current team instead of a courting team? The current team is allowed a higher max year and max salary to offer than a courting team, right?

The Nets can also tell Bosh to stay put and see if they can get LBJ, while courting LBJ to come to the Nets, since they already have Bosh waiting.

i say we trade off devin with dooling and humphries and jus keep our players with their rookie contracts and try 2 push 4 a possible big 3 lol. and even better imagine that number1 pick.
pg- john wall
sg- wade
sf- lbj
pf- bosh
C- lopez
automatic championship the 1st year.

our bench
cdr
clee
yi
twill
dallas 1st round pick
and the 2nd round pick.

and with those picks u pick up a back up center along with a pg

No team can get Bosh, LBJ, and Wade without going over the CAP. I don’t think any of these 3 players will accept a non-max contract this early in their careers.

How about we say no to bosh and sign lebron and joe johnson, draft wall and have wall,johnson lebron yi and lopez and trade harris for draft picks and maybe a good backup center.. That sounds good to me..

Actually it may technically be feasible to get three max guys together on the same team. Bosh, Lebron, and Wade were drafted in the same year and for that class a max contract would be a starting salary of 30% of the cap. So those three could play together and take up 90% of the cap and the rest of the team would have to be filled out with minimum salary guys that consist of no more than 10% of the cap. I may be wrong about this though. It is highly highly unlikey to happen and if it did, it would probably be in Miami.

@ all of you except NetIncome, Jay, Dumpy and a handful of others who understand business!

Prok (that’s his new name) is setting the MARKET! having $34.6 in expiring contracts is the biggest asset any team can have along with 10 picks!! Prok is going after 3 STARS not 2 to play along side Brook. or going after 2 A class STARS and 2 mid stars..

thanks to all who understand the business of basketball. the rest you all have great intentions, but you do not know how the NBA operates on the inside…there is a very good reason they kept Shawne Williams, and trust me it’s not so they can have a look at him! cause he is a nutcase!

@Chris2

IMO, this year’s pick is our most untouchable asset, even if we end up with the 3rd pick. There’s more than just John Wall. Guys like Evan Turner and Favors are studs with franchise player potential. It’d be disappoingting not to land the top pick after this season, but if we end up with the 2nd-3rd pick it would be an incredible asset and it would be best way to get our franchise player, not free agency, not trades. Even if we end up with the 4th pick we could still have a shot at Turner. That’s more than enough to keep that pick no matter what.

@ Jad;

 Well maybe you, NetIncome, Jay, and Dumpy could start up your own private “we know it all” website.

 By the way, his name is Proky not Prok, never will be Prok. LOL

 Yeah, Shawne Williams is their secret weapon. The only reason they are keeping him, is that they got to pay him..

@ Mike. It’s not about knowing it all! it’s about understanding why the Nets are doing this.

Think about the following trade scenarios and tell me which is better!

a. Bosh for Bynum and a throw in as Chad Ford suggests

or

It’s about understanding why these moves are made. The Russians are good at chess and Proky as you say is great at it! He is basically saying come get it…I got you covered with my Queen!

Bosh is going to Houston…stop dreaming ..lolz

I wouldn’t give that much up for Bosh. He can’t officially obligate himself to stay here until he’s here and that’s too much.

I don’t think anyone on either the Nets or the Knicks should be considered untouchable (with the exception of Brook Lopez) if the right deal came along because I don’t think either team is going to be signing ANY free agents until 2012 and possibly 2013 or 2014.