What should I say for Nets?

dang i missed the game??

Kiki never plays Hassell in the second half or most of his bench, then the starters get tired of playing and stop. Can you learn how to coach, we arent winning anyway let the bench play see what we can do.

Yi is falling back to that same Yi we know of. Those 3 games back he played but now he isnt doing anything.
Lopez terrible defense and stop taking shots that arent needed when you do that the other team gets a fast break and they score.

Courtney Lee has a good game then falls back to terrible.

I dont see why some players have good games then the next game they do bad and someone else does good. Two players can never both have good games. We did it last name with Lee and Dooling and look what happend.

STOP LOOKING FOR YOUR STATS BROOK YOU ARENT GOING TO BE AN ALL STAR!

Yi really pissed me off this game

Again playing good, better without the Harris.
Again the same problems.
1.Defense major problem- guys were having trouble contesting the 3. They lost their man with the double team.
2.Yi Jian Lian- This guys is really starting to upset me, really selfish. He wasn’t even knocking down shots. This has been an on going problem with him.
3. Forced shots- Yi and Brooke, enough said.
Other than that overall good game. Dooling, Hayes, and CDR great game. TWill wasn’t that bad either. I think Quinn should’ve been in more.

Oh and why is Lopez taking jumpers? Especially past the free throw line?

Yi had a bad game from an individual standpoint but he was only -4, the team loses a lot when either he or Brook leaves the floor.

and again we need some ball movement last post I promise.

@Skaye
when you are 0-5, you say its time to bounce back, then you go 0-10, you are full of anger, when you are 0-18, you are just quiet, b/c you are out of words. Now 3-34, well…just be professional, drive to work, finish it, and go to home.

Yi and Lee both stink. one good game a month is not going to get it done. Lee has done nothing to earn all his minutes. Give TWill a chance. Reason Nets get outrebounded is CDR should be at 2 and Hayes at 3. Lee is too small and not quick enough.

God we need Lebron, Wade and David Lee

champs for sure if they land here!!!

so far….. WE SUCK!!! :( :( :(

thats brook way of convincing himself that hes good even on a bad team

lee was a bad idea hes incosistent… if he would have at least went 7/11 we would have been aight we need to get rid of him asap i mean HOW DO YOU PLAY 36 MINS and only have 4 effing points???? hes up hes down i hope with all this money we have we sign two max players cause we gonna need one on the floor at all times… maybe joe johnson and lebron?

Aside from CDR none of our gaurds took it to the hole enough. Only Yi and Brook got to the FT line.

After Brook’s comment, the old Yi is back and Brook did have some good games. I am not bashing anyone, but the Nets is not a “team” so far. It is not about the talant, it’s about teamwork. Why not keep playing Hayes? He was doing good in this game.

We were playing well during the first half and the beginning of the third, but then the Spurs made a run and then we collapsed.

There are still too much selfish plays on our team, the ball isn’t moving around. Our players are forcing too many shots, and our defense really needs to improve. The Spurs did a great job of moving the ball, and took good shots… unlike us.

I will be going to watch the next game at home… I think we should all start chanting “Number 4”, maybe that will help us win.

It is not that bad of a game. At least they fought to the very end. The spurs is a much much superior team. Just couldn’t stop them when needed. Yi rushed a lot of his shots. He should have attacked the rim more. Perimeter defense is poor. Our bigs had to foul their quicker guards when they broke thru. Then of course we were facing Manu. We still have to work on the 3’s. It is demoralizing seeing the opponents score on those easy ones. Our twin towers will work, give them some time. It is looking better today.

The Nets lost, but Lopez won.

Why did Yi make so many jump-shots last two games?

Well, I understand when I remember what Lopez had said.

The way I see it, I could stop rooting for the Nets, or continue rooting for the Nets.

I will continue rooting for the Nets.

Lets go Nets…

I’m getting used to the losing but why does every no-name player on every other team have to have a career night against us ?????

I’m NOT a Nets Fan..I tried 2 be, but I’m SICK of the way they mistreat CDR..Enuf is enuf..its like once he reaches dbl figures..the freeze out begins..I’m praying they finally agree 2 trade him, because its no secret, several teams are interested..PLEASE PLEASE Trade him somewhere he’s APPRECIATED!!

As long as are players keep their chin up and play hard next game, we will be O.K. Wins don’t matter right now.

Conspiracy alltheway! Please Nets organization, trade CDR and let him reach his full potential..this is hard 2 watch someone talented enuf and deserving..its obvious he can LEAD this team 2 a win, but his contributions are always overlooked 2 feed Kiki’s and managements favorites.. This is bull

@ MIKE WINS DO MATTER!!! if we don’t win “10 percent of r games it is gonna be tough to attract a good free agent” that coming from rod thorn. WE NEED WINS WE ONLY HAVE 3!!!

@Mike
No, Win does really really matter, means everything.

@the GM, im sure u wil become a nets fan again next season if they have a good offseason!

on a side note should CDR be worried about u, your level of affection for him seems worryingly high!

ps. im not a CDR hater

In the best interest of my sanity, i think i won’t watch anymore games this year. I wanna get a good night’s sleep.

Nets fans are loyal, despite the mistreatment we get from current management. We just have to get through the “Ratner/Yi marketing era” where decisions are made for reasons other than winning basketball games (marketing, personalities, parsimony). We will get through it and use Brookie, Harris, and CDR and Russian money to rebuild a great franchise from the ashes. STICK WITH THE NETS.

@ GM;
 
 Sounds like you are a CDR fan, not a Nets fan. That’s O.K.
Us real Nets fans have bigger problems then worrying about CDR or Yi or Lee or Lopez.

Real Nets fans worry about the team. That’s what I’m worried about.

I think we are getting better, even though the record don’t show it.

As long as the team don’t quit, we will be O.K.

And if the team does quit, Proky will go out and buy another team. LMAO.

One thing I think we learned from this game: Ian Mahinmi is a RICH MAN’s Yi Jianlian.

Trading for this usless scrub or even authorizing the deal is almost as big an indictment on Kiki as has been his attempt at coaching this team.

PS – Worst record in league history, here we come! Thanks Ratner!!!

I turned the game on with 7 1/2 minutes to go in the 3Q so it must be my fault, sorry Nets. Wow, they fell apart so badly, I can’t even comment.

Anything coming from Rod Thorn means nothing right now. I want to hear what’s coming from Proky. Rod Thorn might not even be with the Nets in a couple of months.

As for free agents, money talks, and big money talks loudest.

Isaac, I thought you would post a comparison of stats between RJ and Yi, what were they?

Yi was taking more jump shots that he should in the last two games. Now I can see what Brook said has affected Yi in a negative way. Certainly we are not here to make any one player a superstar but we can see that how bad the nets are now working as a team. I wonder whether the coaches and players read the fans’ post. If they believe some of the personal irresponsible crap(e.g.“give Brook/Yi/CDR more shots” ) we have here, the team is in bigger troubles than we think. Let’s go back to the basic—team defense, team rebound, ball movements, shooting accuracy.

@Isaac

It’s not so much trading for Yi, it’s giving him the job. Had Yi been forced to compete, he’d be on the bench and Ryan Anderson would be starting, much to our advantage.

One thing many of you guys seemed to ignore is that the Spurs is a much much better team. The Nets played hard but the loss was expected.

I remember years ago, when people said nobody would come play for the Yankees. Who would want to come and live in N.Y. Steinbrenner used his money and charm and you don’t hear that crap any more.

Fast forward… Jason Bay don’t want to play in N.Y. especially for the lousy Mets… Enough said…

I the glorification of players as an individual on this team is out of control on this site, and this is coming from a CDR fan, and someone who likes Yi’s game.

Anyway the person who created this offense cough “Frank/Kiki” cough* should kill theirself. Hopefully we get a coach soon, because reversing what has been done is going to take a while

@robby
what? Ryan Anderson? This guy plays with Dwight Howard and shoot a worse percentage than Yi and you were expecting him to start had nets not traded him…

I’ve seen people mention something Brook said that affected Yi? I missed what he said… And when… Can anybody fill me in?

Ispartan,

Comparison: Rj and Yi make the same amount of field goals (4), unfortunately Yi needed 8 more shots to do so.

I watch Magic games and see Anderson play. He has a large upside and Yi does not. He makes outstanding decisions and can mix it up underneath. I don’t know the shooting percentages but judging players based upon their shooting percentages is a primitive evaluation method.

Unless you think Miki Moore, the percentage leader two years ago, was the best center in the league

i dont understand why twill doesnt start over lee

@ robby;

 RA does not play for the Nets no more…

 Who cares…

The ones who misses Anderson may go to Magic team.

I believe Yi could perform more efficient if he was in the Magic.

There are 29 other teams in the NBA I can root for.

I root for the Nets, Good times and bad.

Our day will come, and soon…

Lets go Nets…

Actually, not for many of us Mike. If the team leaves New Jersey, most of the fan base is gone too.

@ Mike and petersages

Any one who criticizes Nets management for a trade should be forced to root for the team that skunked them? The point, which I must have been making poorly, is that the management team that decided to GIVE Yi a job no matter how he played is not management we will have to suffer with for very long. That is why we are 3 and whatever, and that is why there is hope for the Nets’ future.

peterssages

If Yi were on the Magic, he would never get on the court. He is not good enough to play for a potential championship team.

at Ispartan:

Actually who need’s RJ stats when Mahinimi was a perfect 6 for 6 to go along with 9 boards against this sorry excuse for an NBA team. As for RJ – he is a valuable FOURTH option on the Spurs. If he were back on the Nets, he’d look great alongside Brook (and would be a solid 2nd if not a highly potent option for us) and we would still need a power forward in the offseason anyway since Yi is clearly not suited for that position. It was a horrendous decision to dump one of the all-time great Nets for this marketing ploy gone wrong.

at Robby:

“He is not good enough to play for a potential championship team.”

he would barely play (if at all) for any PLAYOFF team, never mind champiosnhip-caliber team. He is suited to be an 8th or 9th man in this league, and only because he has some scoring ability. His lack of defensive skill or ability to play with any type of aggression makes him a major liability if out on the court for more than 10-15 minutes a night. Starting for this team only goes to show you how dismal the situation is.

Free agents play against the NETS. They know the true quality of our players and their potential. Players and agents talk to each other all the time.

So while wins matter……the top level FAs (and their agents) are probably more interested in our new owners’ commitment to spending for talent to put a consistent winner on the court year after year and in the type of coach he will employee.

What our Russian owner says and does in a few weeks after he is formally the owner (can not happen soon enough!) will mean more then our win lose record to our ability to attract FAs.

@ Robby;

 So what do you propose we do? Fire Nets management? That will probably happen, but we can’t do it. Somehow reverse the RA trade? Cut Yi?

Whine about all the poor moves made over the last few years?

If it makes you feel better, go ahead.

Right now we are in a deep hole trying to climb out.

Throwing dirt back into the hole, don’t make sense.

Lets try to look forward and get out of this hole, together.

@robby

Without Yi, Nets lost more points tonight.

I agree that he is not good enough, but if Anderson were here, could he perform better? I doubt that.

BTW: Could you tell me Anderson’s stats recently? We could compare it with Yi.

@jackbauer Nahh CDR doesn’t have 2 “worry” about me..we talk quite often and @Mike I highly DOUBT I’ll be a NETs fan nxt season cause I’m soooo hoping CDR is traded b4 then..ps I will still attend Nets games when they face whatever team CDR is playing for…Thanx

Regarding Yi.

I doubt there is a single team in the NBA that would not be prepared to take Yi on a moments notice. I bet every one of these teams would play him +/-25 minutes per game. I bet every on of these teams believes he has the potential to be a quality starter and would work to develop him to that role.

Our problem is not Yi or Brook or Devin. Our problem is a collective lack of talent, compounded by youth, compounded by uncertainty (players, coaches, GM, owner), compounded by a complete lack of playing style identity (defense, dribble-drive-turnover, pick and role, run, half court twin towers, develop youth, play old guys to win, run through the center, etc.) and topped off by a coach with no experience and no interest in the job.

None of this gets solved until the new owner is on board, Rod is signed for two more years or dumped and the owner hires “his” coach. Then you sort out the players which will ultimately be the easiest part given all the assets we have to play with.

I don’t know what you guys will do if you were YI after all the talks made by Lopes. I think from now on, just like today’s game, Lopes will get all his status back and Nets will keep on losing and YI will be back as the OLD YI. I am a Chinese and have been in the State longer than YI. One problem we Chinese have is that we never speak up and people take advantage of this. We always wait for changes to happen, not to make change by ourselves. We would rather suffer to speaking up what we really think about the situation. I think Lopes is taking advantage of this cultural difference. And as expected, YI will be a jumper again to leave all the low post space to Lopes. Congratuation to Lopes, you will be an all star from the worst team in NBA history. I just feel so sorry for YI as a Chinese fellow. I myself had suffered form the similar situation once. I moved and found a place where people encourage me to speak up.
I just don’t understand why the tow big guys can’t work out something together. They should help easy other, instead of working on their own status. There are lots of success examples with 2 big men in the same team.
One suggestion to Yi is talking to Lopes to work things out. I don’t mean YI has to fight back. YI has to tell Lopes that he is not trying to steal the show from Lopes, but to help Nets not to be the worst team until 2100 (yes, 2100, not 2010). Hope Nets will be better than the worst.

Uhh Yi was 4-17 from the field, how could the Nets possible have lost points.

PS – be happy – we are only three years away for a championship run as the Brooklyn somethings. Not certain if more than two or three of the current team will be around for the parade, but the future is awesome.

OK, so who is the better coach? Kiki or Frank?

Mike

I agree. Let’s build on the players that can play at playoff level, draft smart, and sign quality. We cannot pretend that a 3 win team has many playoff pieces. Brook, Harris and CDR for sure. TWill if somebody directs his obvious talents. Dooling and Jarvis can contribute. Yi is at best a distraction, and it’s not his fault. We need to upgrade Boone so that when Brook gets in foul trouble we get some replacement offense at the center position. This can be salvaged.

frank is a wayyyy better coach. everyone wants frank fired but we competed every night with frank even when we were playing with bench. kiki is no good

@petersages

I agree that Yi is the Nets best pf.

Nets played pretty good team defense until the Nets start missing shots and the Spurs make their shots…Yi is back to shooting permiter jump shots ..Yi missed open jump shots..Yi was aggressive even tho he missed …

Im thinking what lopez said has affected yi..

We have to remember that Kiki was never a coach before, so all of the people saying that Frank is a better coach that Kiki, yes that is true, but it still doesn’t mean Lawrence Frank is the answer.

@Randy Oreens

Guys play good and then bad because they are still young and still learning. Most of these guys are second and third year guys being thrusted into starting roles.

hey Yi, just keep chucking’em up. and your cheerleader Kiki will keep on clapping for you. next game, try to attempt 20+ shots. i gotta say, Yi, you keep me interested in the Nets this year.

I cannot believe some of you here have the nerves to badmouth Lopez. He is the best thing we have. I would rather have Lopez taking those shots blind-folded than Yi and Lee being selfish and bricking everything.

Does anyone have a feel for whether the Nets coaching staff has competent teachers? It used to be that guys had 4 years of college coaching, so that the pros did not need so much teaching. Now, that is not the case. I do see that Yi is better this year than last, and so is Brook. But, Twill is not progressing and Swat was a talented guy that never developed. Unless I watched practices, I could not get a feel for the Nets staff. Anybody have an opinion?

Forget about L. frank…this season is a washed due to so many injuries at the start of the season…Now its about developing players…

@KJV

Im not bad mouthing Lopez..Im just saying I think what lopez said earlier this week has an affect on Yi..Yi has been moving away to let lopez post low..and yi just shoot jump shot from perimeter and try to drive to the basket at times..

I thought lopez play pretty well tonight..yi was just missing lots of open shots…

I don’t know why everyone is getting on Yi. Yes, he probably shot too much this game, but I am looking at the positive here, he was able to still put up 16 points on 4-17 shooting. That is because he got to the line 10 times making 8 foul shots. The Yi of old would have even more shot attempts and close to 0 free throw attempts. He is getting better and more aggressive.

@ronny
How many times will you say the same thing…and where were you when Yi had some good games. Lopez had bad games last week. It’s Yi’s fault. Yi has a bad game. It’s Yi’s fault. Lopez has a good game. It’s Yi’s fault. Yi has a good game. It’s Yi’s fault.

Actually it’s all my fault.

I have 2 remember fellow posters..that I am a fan just like the rest of you all..I can’t get bent outta shape after every game..and there’s nothing wrong with having favorites on a team, right? I just want the Nets 2win..I read my last post and have things 2 correct..I don’t want 2mislead anyone when I said I “talk” 2 CDR quite often..I am an active tweeter that follows him and admire his game (obviously) I tweet him “quite often” and he’s actually responded once or twice..but back 2the subject, I’m as frustrated as any fan here..I’ve been a Nets Fan since the late great Drazen Petrovic and these are trying times.. So what I’m saying is, let’s stop the bickering and getting extra personal with ANY Nets Player..whether they’re your or my fav players..I just think we have enough talent 2 win NOW, with the right coaching and gameplans..For starters, we shouldn’t “showcase” players individually but actually at the same time..its much more effective..With that said, I take back many angry comments I’ve posted..I mean its a site 2 comment on as fans..we can’t (I can’t) react personally when I’m on the outside looking in with my own point of view

Actually Net Income…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpqwzc_chcm

@net income

Ronny or robby?

@Robby
You are missing the point here.
The fact is Ryan Anderson is playing alongside of Dwight Howard, a dominant big who draws double team even triple team on a consistent basis, as a spacer. Hes also playing on a team that takes 24 3 pointers a game. Ryan Anderson is a perfect fit to that team and thats the friggin Magic. With all the open looks hes been getting and he shoots the ball worse than Yi is inexcusiable - while hes still somehow efficient given the limited minutes, hes no more than a role player no matter its on the nets or on the magics cuz hes unable to create his own shots.

Yi’s been showing his moves down low while knocking down mid range jumpers fairly consistently.Most importantly, he creates his own shots, he gets to the ft line 6 times a game, he shoots fts well. Sure he isnt a good post defender but at least hes shown us some effort when it comes to weakside blocks and help D(averaged 1.5 blocks a game since coming back from injury).

Stop picking on one or two players performance, the outcome of the game is on every single one on this team. From coach to players, to personnels. This is the youngest team in the NBA and they are going through hell at the moment.

Keep your heads up and support them, they will be much better next season.

This may be the most poorly coached team in the league.

@ net income

If robby - you are right. Yi is getting to be a boring subject. It is a little hard to find positives this year in anything going on with the team, without venturing into fantasy land. But, I still pull for the Nets every night and look for a turnaround moment, so I guess I am in fantasy land.

Fire KIKI!!!

Hollah!!

at Dollar Bills:

“This may be the most poorly coached team in the league.”

This is obviously so. I always thought it would be hard to find a coach less qualified than Frank to lead this team, but this amazing management group we have nailed it!!!

@ Mike

Not a fair comparison to the Yankees. With the NBA’s per player max, won’t Lebron/Wade/Bosh get the same amount wherever they go (assuming a sign and trade if they leave their respective current teams)?

We are getting open looks and missing them. Lee’s 2-11 killed us last night, and YI didn’t help us much either. Bash Devin as much as you like, but had he played, and played well, we might have beaten SA. But the losing is not what is bothering me tonight, besides the lack of “this week’s” girlfriend, I am disturbed by the WACKY postings here. I know we are “FANS” and “FANS” are FANATICS. but folks, please calm down, don’t take this all so seriously, you are going to make yourselves sick.

Well CD-R just responded to my tweet. Loyal fan for life, I told him I hope all these loses don’t force him to want a trade he said nope im here for the long haul! Hope he telling the truth because these core players we have is the ONLY bright spot of the future. Forget new ownership, Free agency, Trades doesn’t matter its all about the core players!

i will say it again. cdr is the most consistant net player! he hits his open jumpers and mixes it up with drives to the basket and is usually good for 4 or 5 rbs and a steal a game.

nobody on the floor is as consistant as him except for mayyybe lopez.

Lee needs to come off the bench but then that makes the VC trade look even that much worse.

I am too of the camp that Frank would be doing a much better job with this team. Kiki is not coach, nor does he want to be. Here is there for one reason and one reason only. To develop the young players and see that they play.

The worst thing for the NETS would have been to keep Frank who would be playing for his job and starting Hassell and using Simmons, etc. etc. Kiki is at least developing Yi, and giving all the youngsters time except for T Will. T Will will have to grow up a bit, but he is being mentored in the maturity department.

Everyone talks about free agency and the draft, but I feel the most important element to us getting better is a great coach. If we could attract someone like Jeff Van Gundy, or even someone of Avery Johnson’s caliber, the attraction of free agents becomes much easier. I doubt a coach will be in place by that period but that is what we really need here. With a great coach we would at least have 4 or 5 wins.

I cant believe people are still complaining about RJ and Anderson not being here anymore.

RJ is so overpaid and aint all that good, period. He was a great guy to have but he needed to go and getting Yi for him was one of the best moves Kiki has made.

As for Anderson I find it COMICAL that people trash Yi yet think Ryan would be the answer. Even though he aint afraid to play close to the basket,Ryan’s small and not tough enough for a PF is a perimeter oriented forward, not all the good of a rebounder and newflash, he’s WEAK. I fail to see what is the great upside this guy suposedly possesses. He’s a nice role player, that’s it. Yi is a much better player than him, and has the much bigger upside, and it’s not even close.

do u guys noticed this night kobe 4-21 get 12pts, jennings 4-17 get 10pts.

I don’t think the Nets ever believed that Kiki was “the right coach” for this team. The Nets put him in at coach because he was already with the organization, and they didn’t have to pay him much of anything to add coaching to his responsibilities.

Nets suck, plz send brook to the magics so howard can play PF, we need a real C with 7’0

We and VC will send back adonal foyle, anthony johnson, and gortat for him…

What say you ?

First of all, the Nets need to change the starting 5. Lee has no business starting. He’s not a consistent player and his defense isn’t game changing enough to warrant starter minutes.

Lopez-Yi-Hayes-CDR-Harris

At least with Hayes out there, we have a guy with the size to play legit SF, we can slide CDR over to his natural position, and Hayes can knock down the three.

Yi is not the problem here, everyone piling on him needs to stop. Yi needs to shoot a better % and stop settling. The problem is that the ‘coach’ has no idea about what he’s doing, the team doesn’t play defense as a team, and that we have one of the most least efficient backcourts in the NBA in Lee/Harris, both who whom take way too many shots make few of them. Lee needs to come off of the bench.

@ PhilNYC

Kiki was made the coach so he could prove to Thorn that big time is better than the historic bust he has been since he came into the league. After Kiki threw Thorn’s boy Opie under the bus he was going to pay and in return he brought in the VP of big times’s fan club, Del Harris. The fun hasn’t started cuz the losing hasn’t taken a toll on Kiki yet. Thorn is in a win win position now with Kiki. Either Kiki is associated with coaching the worst team in NBA history and possibly in sports history (and you know that bothers Kiki cuz he wouldn’t coach the team until after the record for losses at the start was established) or he will quit. As one poster said even if Kiki is judged by the play of big time alone he is doomed. Kiki will pray for big time to get injured so he will be off the hook. In the meantime as long as he thinks big time is a player he continues to sink himself. While big time will always stink on D he already has given up on going to the rim. Remember against the Cavs when he said something about he had to think about going down the lane. That’s his mindset. An aggressive player won’t think about it. He will just go. He is overmatched mentally and physically at the PF position. The worst part is the team doesn’t see it or accept it.

OK, Yi had a tough night. SA isn’t the defensive club they used to be, but it’s still a tough place to play and Yi is going to struggle like this on some nights. What I found encouraging in his performance was that when things were going poorly for him, he didn’t disappear. He stayed agressive, got to the line, and kept fighting. The results weren’t great, but it showed heart, an area where Yi has been criticized a lot on this site.

We missed Devin, but we’ve been missing him all year. Here is a Kelly Dwyer quote on the subject from Yahoo: “Six turnovers for the Nets in the loss, which is pretty impressive considering Devin Harris sat out and Rafer Alston was bought out last week. And by ‘impressive’ I mean ‘to be expected.’” Ouch.

@Mr Big

I disagree. Kiki was named coach because he does not cost the Nets any additional money, and they were realistic that they couldn’t get anyone else with a real coaching credential until the Russian Billionaire was officially on-board to approve any bigger expenses.

Having Kiki coach the Nets does nothing regarding to prove/disprove Yi’s ability to play. Kiki has no coaching experience and has no desire to be a coach in the NBA, so if he fails to get Yi going, it is no reflection on Kiki, Yi, or anything else.

I am surprised no one has blamed Devin for this loss as well. Seems like the latest target for the bashers is Yi. Can’t wait to see who it will be next week!