yay keyon dooling is gonna start and play like a real pg. and we will get to see chris quinn. i predict another loss though. i wonder if we will ever get a winning streak

Hope its not serious.

This should give Kiki an excuse to play TWill (if he hasn’t violated any more off court rules) and Quinn, because they couldn’t do any worse if Harris has a similar performance as at New Orleans.

Harris isn’t moving, unless Nets get Wall, and even then they could work together.

WE MIGHT POSSIBLY WIN!

DOOLING AND QUINN FTW!!!!

Glad to hear there is an explanation for his horrible play. Against the Hornets, he was the 4th best PG on the floor.

@mt57 you’re really lookin 4 an explanation for his poor play? Haha what a joke! He is what he is, a turnover prone, horrible shot taking, selfish “point guard”..Period…and Ps..I think he’s scared of being embarrased by a true pg in Parker..Now to the game..Minus Devin, we’ll cut down on 5/6 turnovers, 8/9 BAD shots, and the offense should MOVE since he won’t dribble 12secs off the 24sec shot clock….Maybe some1 will pass the ball 2 CDR now..

He is no leader
Please drop him we should have traded him in the summer instead of carter and got a decent pg and a pf.

Harris you are turning into Kidd during his last months as a net

@The GM
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

LMAO @ this being the expanation for his poor play. He also must have tendonitis in his feet that prevent him from moving them on defense, or better yet tendonitis in his brain that causes him to make god awful turn overs and take horrible shots.

Maybe the ball will move around a little more now and someone will bother defending the other team’s point guard

how did he make allstar team last year? rondo is wayyy better, and we had a chance to get him last summer and we didn’t! ughhhh

@Mr Dollar Bills LMAO….“Tendinitis of the Brain” that sounds about correct 2 ME

@Net Income Why Don’t they trade CDR?? Teams have approached the Nets regarding him and they won’t budge…what are they waiting on..they CLEARLY don’t like HIM personally or his game..Whatever the case, he’s wanted by Contending teams..Let him go, and build the future around Yi, Lopez(who’ll LEAVE 1st chance he gets) and C Lee…give me some “insider insight”

go quinn go crazy from the three point line…i think we win this game now lol.

Last year, he was great. Now, he has been hurt mainly because he sacrifices his body and you call him selfish?

Chris Quinn didn’t play ONE MINUTE with Miami but he will supplant Harris and help us win. Yeah, that’s realistic. TWill who slept through a shootaround before the Bucks game THIS WEEK is a natural leader.

I think CDR is a selfish player. Said it before, will say it again. How many times has he gotten his shot blocked on fast breaks where has refused to pass. So yeah, that’s how I feel.

How is Devin Selfish?

Take a look at the other PG’s in the league, and look at their assists.

Then you can take into account how horrible the Nets are at shooting.

u guys keep forgetting that harris had a groin injury, that is a nagging injury and limits lateral movement. I dont get how we hate the best player on our team…

No doubt about the fact that CDR’s gotta add passing to his game. I hate when we got numbers on the break and he never passes. Nonetheless, i still am a huge fan of CDRs.

@Net Income Are u Serious about passing on the fast break?! Dev Passes 1 outta every 8 fast breaks..I can watch film over and over of DH putting his head down and goin coast2coast on fast breaks which are unsuccesful cause he’s 2 busy tryin 2 draw contact and flopping! LAST YEAR doesn count THIS YEAR..its obvious how huge VC was 2 DH, cause without him he sucks..and CDR bein blocked..hmm are u STILL talkin about the Cleveland game? CDR’s one of our BEST if NOT BEST FINISHER. .CDR will leave this bum organization, and go on 2 WIN and get a HUGE payday, which he’s WORKED HARD 2 Get..as for your Personal dislike..that’s for u 2 live with

Nuts… I picked Tony Parker in the NBA pick one challenge today strictly because I knew he would light up Devin like he always does… Actually, like EVERYBODY does.

it’s only been CDR’s 2nd year and he’s doing way better than our “star” point guard and “best” player on our team.

@Net Income Do all of us CDR fans a favor…go Complain and share YOUR dislike with Thorn and Kiki..tell them how selfish CDR is and they don’t need those type of players…CONVINCE them 2 set him FREE in a TRADE..and watch him Flourish in an open system….Start NOW..the deadline is fast approaching

cdr is the most consistant player on this team. Period. I keep him b4 harris. Harris is an injury prone wannabe elite pg.

CDR Selfish? Wow…this kid has MORE heart than ANY NET! Playing thru the Swine flu, Sprained MCL, Ankle Sprain…this is his 2nd year, FIRST FULL YEAR..and he’s Playing OUT OF POSITION! Putting up Numbers with the best Starting SFs in the League.He has the biggest Ppg INCREASE, its really No argument on this 1…

@ZHAS @superb GREAT POINTS! Be careful tho, any CDR supporters usually have their Comments DELETED

I honestly think that the Nets labeling Harris as their star and leader was very premature, and mostly for marketing purposes. Vinsanity was the reason Harris had his all-star season last year, and VC was also the reason they won most games last year. Still, I think he has it in him to be MUCH better than he is. This is not an easy situation for him obviously. I’m not giving up on him though, I feel he won’t be the guy to lead everyone to the promised land – but when they start playing better he will also play better.

CDR selfish?
That’s funny especially compared to DH!
Remember I preseason whe LFrank talked about playing small lineups while DH was out? DH said he wasn’t for it. Then when he got healthy and practiced DH said “oh I like it now that I’m included”
Look at the expressions on devins face after a loss
Remember when DH got benched last year?
He’s smirking
If DH cared about winning as much as CDR or Brook this team would have more wins!
How many times has DH been out played by a rookie this year?
4 times! Flynn twice, evans,and lawson!
CDR has a better fg% than DH and less turnovers
CDR gets his shot blocked going to the basket…. DH just wants to draw fouls.
The offense
You would think DH would play better knowing john wall may be coming

I think CDR just tried to take some initiative, and step up when nobody else would. He has lots to learn, but there was absolutely nobody willing to be the go-to guy- and those guys have to be selfish in certain situations. However, he doesn’t take many bad shots, and tries to take it to the hole a lot, and he makes an impact when he is in the game. Sure, he’s a 2nd year player making some mistakes still, but he’s got tons of heart and skills too. He is a valuable asset.

So What? Whether he plays or not the nets are going to lose this game.

Net Income

I’m fairly new to the site. Are you a big Harris fan? I know you’re not a big CDR fan but calling him selfish and using his selfishness on fast breaks as an example is an odd choice considering Harris never gives the ball up on the break.

How can you hate on a player that’s 2nd on the team in scoring and fg % and last in salary?
CDR makes les than a million bucks compared to devin who maked 9 mill.
Gimmioe the guy tryin to make this team win over the one driving the lanbourgini!

I sure hope that this doesn’t hurt his trade value…..I’d love to see Quinn start..I feel that he can run this team much better than harris…And I love Doolings spark off the bench…Now , I am excited about tonight’s game…..LOL , Alot of people think that Cuban got taken ……?

CDR has more heart and more of a desire to win than an other Net. There’s no arguement! soemof you may believe CDR is selfish but when he gets the ball, the offense flows and shots go down. Selfish is what u call Brook Lopez in a post up situation. CDR makes plays happen he hits his shot and if he feels he can pass his up for a better one, he makes the right choice whereas any other starter on this team does not. He is our best player with tremdoues upside and tarding him would be like giving up our version of LeBron, no joke.

For all you who wanted him traded, watch him get even better next year and the years to come. Watch him grow into a mini LeBron which he clearly shows he can. He’s averaging 16 points a game after being picked 40th in the draft and palying out of position. i dont think theres a question… CDR is our best player hands down

Oh yeah, and were forgeting his salary… 750,000 dollars a yer definately getting our money’s worth

There is a big aspect of all this “selfishness” malarkey that you guys aren’t really aware of… A lot of times you as a player MUST take the ball, and score the points. The best players to ever play, every one of them at one point have been called selfish. The PG we face tonight is a prime example. How can the pg to a team with the best PF of all time average 5 assists over a career? Well sometimes you need to take the ball and score it.

Now this is not to say that Devin is a monster and all that, last year he was. The thing missing is what everyone was complaining about him doing to much of, driving to the rack. Wasn’t he second in the league in getting to the FT line(Makes). He needs to get back to that, I dont care if he gets injured.

lebron even gave cdr his props. cdr didnt allow mello to score in the 1st 1/2 of the nuggets game but after denver made adjustments melo droppped a ton.

cdr is playing out of position too. put him at the 2 spot and i see his defense and production going up.

Who cares if CDR gets a little selfish, at least he takes high-percentage shots by taking it to the rim, which is why he is a solid 46% from the field.

Guys like Courtney Lee and Devin Harris, on the other hand, are forcing up terribly placed low-percentage jump shots, which is why they are shooting an unbelievably bad 38% from the field. So if you have to bash someone for being selfish, why don’t you go bash Lee?

And what about Yi Jianlian, getting his 0.3 assists per game, which is just beyond comment. At least he’s taking it to rim though, unlike Lee and Harris.

@The GM
How do you know that contending teams have expressed interest in CDR? I haven’t heard that. It seems like you’re the one with the “insider insight”. You’re obviously not a Nets fan and more a CDR fan. Maybe you’re one of his boys, or your related. But thats cool. Most of us on this board are Nets fans and like CDR and hope he wants to stay with the Nets. I’m sure these are frustrating times for him but at least he’s getting an opportunity. Put him on a contender, and I hate to break it to you, but he’ll probably get less minutes and touches.

As for DH freezing him out during games… that is BS. Devin is instructed to go inside to Brook or Yi 1st. Its not like he never passes to CDR. Sometimes he feeds CDR and CDR’s smart enough not to force it and he stays within the flow of the offense. NBA teams scout and they know that CDR can score, which is why they’ve been playing tougher D on him and his numbers are down as of late.

I congratulate all of you for still following the Nets… I’m surprised anyone still cares enough to post. The Rat killed this team, is killing the poor folks in Brooklyn he is evicting and we are still giving him money. Not me. I won’t buy another ticket until he is gone. I may never go to Brooklyn given he will make a dime off my ticket, it’s all too bad…

PS, yeah, Devin is no JKidd, too bad cause Kidd has more leadership in his pinkie than Devin has in his whole being. The Rat drove Kidd away. It is all just painful.

Isnt it time for someone to bash Vince Carter over being injury prone?

After all, Harris is a warrior lol

Im glad hes not playing, and would love to cut him from the roster…he is awful

@pa1ley CDRs numbers are down because of lack of touches AND terrible subbing by Kiki..and yeah I was a true Nets fan UNTIL I realized their lack of respect for CDR and his skills…and NOT 2 mention his salary…if they had any class, they’d renegotiate that rookie contract! He has MORE than proven himself…and trust me, he’s courted by several teams in the league..hey its cool tho..he won’t be a Net his entire career

@pawley typo last post in response

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-jeffersongranger011010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

As if Indiana is that stupid.

@The GM
Against New Orleans KD and C. Lee had the hot hand, which is why CDR got less minutes. Thats gonna happen sometimes. It doesn’t mean there is a conspiracy against CDR. You need to relax about that.

It’s the losing, that’s why some of you people are acting crazy. The losing has gotten to me too. Devin having a physical problem may explain his really poor play of late, but even last year, Devin’s “point guard” play was not good. He scored and shot well last year, but Kenyon played a better floor game. Devin still has much to learn as a PG, but who is he going to learn from? Is there a PG on the coaching staff? Is Devin “teachable” or does he have a big ego? We don’t know. AND as far as CDR is concerned, he has made nice progress this year, and his outside shot looks better. He has too much upside to dump at this point. AND Lee’s shot is beginning to fall too. We have too many nice young pieces to be jumping off roofs folks, let’s be calm.
GO NETS!

Either you know how to play the game or you don’t.

The tendency for the NBA in the last 15 years or so, especially the Nets, is to draft physical specimans instead of good basketball players. When in doubt they will draft players with “great athletic ability”.

This year they drafted Terrence Williams. Great athlete, but poor basketball player.

This is going to change. Why?… because it rarely works out…

Rarely will you get both. I think from now on the Nets will draft “good” basketball players. Who cares about vertical leap.

I am not a fan of Harris…I would rather trade him for young talent and expiring contracts and become the only team in the league able to offer two maximum contracts next offseason. I don’t think Harris has much of an upside to him even if he does improve his play.

@pawley what does C lee havin the hot hand have 2 do with CDR’s mins?? They don’t play the same position..and also how many games would CDR get off 2 fast starts and have the “hot hand”? PLENTY and he gets yanked everytime! CONSPIRACY

@Mike
I feel where you are coming from in regards to Nets’ drafting history, but TWill is not a poor basketball player. At Lousiville he did all the little things to help that team win. I am concerned with his maturity more than anything else, but with playing time, he will gain the understanding what he can and cannot do out on the court against NBA talent. I think he knows how to rebound, he has good court vision and is a good passer. I think he will turn into a very good NBA player, provided he cleans up the maturity issues.

@Chris2;

 If you can’t shoot, and you are 6’4", you are not a good basketball player. Plus you are a total jerk on top of that.

Sean Williams II. Please, I think I’ve seen that movie before.

“pawley Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Most of us on this board are Nets fans and like CDR and hope he wants to stay with the Nets. I’m sure these are frustrating times for him but at least he’s getting an opportunity. Put him on a contender, and I hate to break it to you, but he’ll probably get less minutes and touches.”

Not so fast. Courtney Lee was on a contending team and did great. The possibility of CDR getting “less minutes and touches” on a contending team is one thing..being 4th or 5th option on a losing team is different.

@ The GM, I agree that CDR could contribute to any good team with his current skills. For a long time, I’ve watched CDR continue to improve his game. I’m beginning to wonder if CDR is being undervalued by the Nets. I’ll be watching closely tonite to see if the lookoffs and inexplicable bench periods/subbing continue. Hope not. GO NETS!!

@Mike

He’s 6′6″, get it right. And you’re gonna classify him as a ‘total jerk’ based on a couple Twitter remarks and a little immature behavior which is typical of many rookies?
And it’s way too early to say that he can’t shoot, he’s improved his throughout his college career and can continue to improve it now.

The only thing that can “save” T-Will, is that he’s a great basketball player, over coming all his other short comings, on the court and off.

So far he looks like a phony, fraud, and loser…

Who needs this?

Proky won’t put up with this garbage. He has so much money, he can buy away his mistakes.

Goodbye T-Will…

If T-Will is 6’6", I’m the King of Siam. LOL

T-Will can be 6’10", and he is still a jerk.

When Nate Robinson is your role model, you are a jerk…

As far as height goes, everything is based off the predraft measuremements. So, he is probably at least 6’4.5 without shoes, then they let you add an inch to your height because you play in shoes. As far as his shooting, he will likely never be a great shooter, possibly never even a good shooter. Even as a mediocre shooter I think he can become a borderline all star if he progresses as I think he can as a point guard. He has the ability to control the tempo of a game and he is probably the best natural playmaker we have right now. He has not played smart out there when given the minutes and utilized his gifts in the right way. I think it will come over time.

@ Mike, we drafted a good basketball player in Ryan Anderson last year, then traded him for junk after one season.

TWill is definitely a jerk. So is Michael Jordan. Did you hear his HOF acceptance speech? LOL…being a jerk does not disqualify you from being an impact player in the NBA.

Ah of course, anyone who doesn’t follow the conventional behavioral expectations of New Jersey Nets fans is a jerk. Now I see.

I shouldn’t call him a jerk, I have never met the guy before but I think he has been prone to some jerky behavior. I’m still willing to chalk it up to standard rookie nonsense, but he has to start taking his profession more seriously.

Michael Jordan = T-Will, I need another drink, pass me the bottle,or for you kids, the pipe…

NI calls him a jerk, so he is a jerk — right? Just funny how many here use NI’s spin to form opinions about players they don’t even know. If I were you, I wouldn’t trust it.

@Chris2
Anyone who compares Michael Jordan to TWill is desperate need of a reality check…

As for the rest of the deplorable comments about Harris, here’s a primer for you…pretty basic basketball.

Last season, the Nets had six players in the rotation who were legitimate three point threats: Bobby Simmons, who was in the top five in three point shooting all year long; Keyon Dooling, Ryan Anderson and Jarvis Hayes, all of whom shot better than 38%; and Vince Carter who also shot better than 38% and can bomb from way behind the arc. Yi had games where he hit four three’s and hit 34% for the season.
The team was among the leaders in three point shooting, hitting a season average of 37.6%.

This season, Simmons has lost his shot and apparently a lot more. Hayes and Dooling have missed a total of 57 games. Vince Carter is gone and the guy who replaced him, Courtney Lee, is shooting a lot less than the 40% he hit last season in Orlando. So is Anderson. Yi is no longer playing as much on the perimeter. The Nets are among the worst three point shooting teams in the NBA, hitting a mere 28.2% from deep.

Teams can—and do—collapse on the middle, not having to worry about the Nets’ deep threat. They don’t have one. As a result, Harris’ game has become more limited, both in terms of driving the lane and distributing. Moreover, he is playing with a very bad team, an injured team, and he himself was hurt both in training camp and early in the season.

Now, I know this is not as satisifying as calling some player a “bum” and screaming he should be traded for some second rate talent, but it is reality.

I hope this helps.

Wow. So many people getting on the rookie. He’s a rookie man.

Fun Fact:

-Terrence Williams’ shooting is within a couple percentage points of Devin Harris’. So if his shooting % is your issue I want to hear some vitriol directed at our starting pg as well. Let the hate flow.

Dooling should be the starter anyhow.

We all have our opinions and disagreements, but I want the Nets to win tonight, If T-Will is the star, great, if Yi, if CDR , if Hassel, who cares. We win as a team, and we lose as a team.

Lets go Nets…

I actually wanted Harris to play. He guards T Parker good. I think harris missed the game last year against them and they lost at SA

Devin was selfish last year. When VC was around, he could afford to and he became all star. There is a marked improvements this year. The two bigs improve and take it to the rim. He is playing with injuries and his production drops. But I would say he does a better job in distributing than last year. Out nets do have a problem with their FG %. How many wide open shots have they missed? When we talk about selfishness, it’s more than looking at stats. We take behavior and attitude on/off the court consideration.

for sum strange reason im not surprised Devin is missing another game. devin is a bum and the most selfish pg in the NBA. he’s a bum and should try 2 trade him 4 a true pg or something valuable.

Hahahaha DEVIN out…CDR is showing his worth…Can’t w8 til he’s GONE

Can u say CONSPIRACY? CDR off 2 super start and we’re leading then he gets SNATCHED OUT?? Kiki is much WORSE than L Frank as a coach

As CDR sits on the bench…we LOSE the lead.

Devin Harris is a bum. Trade him now before his stock drops even more. BUM.

Anbody thinkn Keyon is selfish for NOT Passin? Watch and WEEP CDR is KILLIN the spurs!

Harris Suck!!!

i want kidd back

he wont score but he passes a lot, and we wont see ‘’injury prone 34’’ every night.

Carter, not harris, was the hearth of the team. Harris played well only because Carter was the Defenders main priority when they played us.

Harris was free to run and jump, dribble etc, etc, etc with no problems….

imagine carter here instead of lee

Lopez: 18-8-2 blk
J.Yi.: 15-7-1
CDR..: 16-5-5
VC15.: 20-4-5
DH34.: 20-3-8

+ dooling, hayes and hassell as top bench; we might have been in the playoff run!!!

Leadership (carter) >>> popularity (harris)

No matter what, get John Wall.

I had played Draft Lotto Simulator for many times yesterday. The possibility that the Nets get first pick is very very low, around 18% and lower.

of course I am not comparing TWill to Jordan…just using Jordan as an example of a guy that is a jerk who is still successful. I had thought that was obvious. I probably should have thrown in the obligatory ‘not that TWill will ever be anything close to Jordan as a player’ so people would not jump to those kind of conclusions.

Funny how Harris admitted that Frank hounded him last year about playing defense and he refused to do so. Funny how Harris had to be benched by Frank and reacted like a child.

@Mr DB
Just get Avery Johnson back as Harris’ coach and see how long Devin gets away with not playing D.

@Jarkid:
If the simulator acts like the real thing, it should give 25% chance of Nets getting 1st pick, 36% chance of getting the #4 pick and 39% chance of getting either #2 or #3 pick.

@jerry25

What he means is that even though we have a 25% chance of getting the first pick, the odds of it actually happening are very very low. Look at history.

Since 1990, the team with the worst record only won the number 1 pick 3 times out of 20.

3/20

3/20! Feeling good about our chances at John Wall now?

Funny how my post was edited

But yeah jerry i agree, I’d love for Avery to come here since he demands defense and ball movement from his PGs

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry when I read some comments. I find it laughable that some people keep bashing CD-R hard, when he has been of the most efficient players on this team, while Lee keeps stinking the gym up yet gets a free pass from certain people who hates on CDR.

Dont get me wrong, I like CLee but he aint playing well. He has some 20+ explosion from time to time but 90% of the games his O flat out sucks. Its funny that TWill is buried when he hasn bee given that much of a chance. If he played as much as Lee then you could judge him better, for the better or the worse.

NiceBull
“Vinsanity was the reason Harris had his all-star season last year, and VC was also the reason they won most games last year. Still, I think he has it in him to be MUCH better than he is. This is not an easy situation for him obviously. I’m not giving up on him though, I feel he won’t be the guy to lead everyone to the promised land – but when they start playing better he will also play better.”

I absolutely agree w/ you.

Harris is having a tough year. You can make lots of fair knocks on him. But it’d be stupid to evalute his value to this team based on the performance he’s having this year, since he’s been given a role he aint talented enough to play. He aint a leader nor a franchise player, so what? That’s not the role he’ll have with us in the future. He can be our next star’s Robin. That’s the role he played last year and he was an AS, period.

@ NetsDaily

The point is they DON’T all suck. Some of these same players on different teams would fare much better, using and improving their current skills.

If you can’t see that Kiki and management seem to favor certain players, irrespective of their skills, then so be it. But don’t say that the players ALL suck. It’s not true. Worse yet, in CDR’s case, it means that when he is frozen out of the offense during these losses, he can’t score, his stats suffer, his opportunities are decreased.

For example, I’m sure CDR would love to play in the Freshmen-Sophomore game, but he only scores in the first OR second half of the games lately, so that Brook, Yi and Lee have more scoring attempts. Watch the games to see. So although CDR should be representing the Nets team at the Fresh-Soph game, only Brook will probably get the nod.

Harris is injury-prone. It’s been said and debated before, and now the evidence is so strong that it is not even debatable.