We really shouldn’t take character issues out of proportion. SWAT did do pot, seems slightly immature earlier on, trespassed at BC, and smashed up a computer store.

But he was mostly a model citizen after he received his due punishments.

Rather, he was just a tweener. Not big enough to be a traditional PF, not skilled enough to be a SF. He had no position. At least he made a few million. Wish him the best as a D-Leaguer, Euroleaguer, etc…

@rightclue
LOL…mostly a model citizen? Did you read the story? How many arrests before someone is no longer a “model citizen”? Two? Three? How about violence against a store clerk…following two previous arrests. There is something called personal responsibility.

Addition by subtraction. And if they want to dump Terrence “Sleepy” Williams as well, that’s fine by me…as long as Prokhorov fires those responsible for taking him in the first place.

“We really shouldn’t take character issues out of proportion”.

If you have no talent or character, what’s left????

T-Will should be next.

I have to believe Proky has given the edict to current Nets management. “Get rid of all problem players, no matter the cost”.

Good for him…

This is all on Thorn. Draft a bad character guy who did not produce in college. Basketball is more than jumping high. What do you expect.

Give Twill a break…he’s an immature rookie Obviously he’s made mistakes, but by no means do you release the guy. That’s just a stupid comment. Twill’s character can be somewhat compared to Swat’s, but his skillset cannot. Twill is a fundamentally talented player. He can dribble, pass, and rebound at a high level. He’s also athletically gifted and is a physical specimen. You do not give up on a guy like that 3 months into his rookie season. The best thing for him is to sit on the end of the bench and be treated like a rookie. Hopefully this will teach him a lesson that he needs to clean up his act and work his ass off in off season. Same thing happened to CDR, and now he’s a starter.

T-Will is an idiot, just like Sean Williams. Get rid of him as soon as possible.

Don’t you guys read behind the lines?

I have to believe the Nets will trade T-Will, unless they figure out a way to get him focused and to play him.

Some players just don’t have the maturity and character to handle losing…I think T-Will falls into that category.

@pawley
he’s a little more than a third of the way through his rookie season. So far, he has 1) tweeted and publicly spoken about how he wished he could have drafted by another team…as the team went through its worst period; 2) twice missed practices or shootarounds…that we know of; 3) got into an argument with beat writers. (I’m not getting into the Nate stuff. That’s just misplaced loyalty.)

This bodes SO well for his future. I’m not saying dump him, but a few months ago, an NBA scout said of him that he’d either be a star or be out of the league in three years. Where’s he seem to be headed.

He has a lot to prove.

Sean will have an opportunity somewhere but he should go to Europe for a couple years learn how to play the game and come back mainly as a defensive stopper. TWill still has a chance but he needs to stop being so immature he still has a lot of potential we shouldn’t give up on him just yet.

@ netincome

See jason kidd he has done worse things than sean.

@ravi sheth;

 If you can play a lot is forgiven, Sean can’t play.

Why cut Swat when there are 14 players on the roster? Why not just send him down to D-league, where he should have been all along?

Don’t these agents tell their players what time of day it is?

Or is just like that movie “Jerry Maguire”.

“Show me the money”…

Barry,

He wouldn’t play in D League. They sent him there last year and the coach got so frustrated by him that they sent him back up. He was a risk when he was drafted and it didn’t pay off. SWAT is a huge disappointment. he showed flashes but never developed at all. He didn’t want to put in the hard work and now his career is in jeapardy. I wish him the best.. He was a good cheerleader…

@ pawley & NI

T-Will’s character cannot fairly be compared to SWat’s. Yes they can both cause headaches, but T-Will hasn’t committed any crimes or acted out in violence, correct me if I am wrong. He slept through some practices and didn’t play hard a couple games. That is bad and unprofessional, but he never did anybody harm to my knowledge. It is a much lower grade of sins.

He’s immature. Hopefully that will change. I think he has a LOT of talent when he doesn’t settle for jumpers.

@ Barry Popick.

There are 15 players on the roster w/ SWat. They need to cut someone to get to 14, so they can (technically) do a 2 for 1 trade which would put them at 15. Once they off the other S. Williams, they will be down to 14. So it’s 15 guys, then 14 guys for a minute, then 15 guys for a minute, then 14 guys again.

T-Will is a goner. The sooner the better…

How many times to do Net fans have to get burnt until they learn their lesson?

What Nets players have we let go, in the last 10 years, that we really regreted it.

Answer = 0…

SWAT has no basketball IQ…Don’t see him lasting to long anywhere..

I tend to agree with Net Income. I really liked Sean Williams and wanted him to work out. I went to school in Massachusetts and loved watching him play at BC, but after his continued displays of immaturity both on and off the court, it’s a sad but true reality that it’s time to cut our losses and move on.

I also agree with Net Income’s comments about TWill, despite how early it is in his career. When TWill was drafted I thought it was a great pick but what really sealed the deal for me was when TWill tweeted about what things would have been like if he was drafted by another team. These comments showed that he really did not want to be a Net and the only people who should be on the team are those who want to be there. Sure, they have an awful record, but I believe that players like Brook Lopez and CDR see the forest through the trees and know there will be better days. If Twill doesn’t have the maturity to accept losing and stay loyal to his team, then I don’t want him.

On one hand, I’m willing to excuse TWitter’s behavior somewhat as the natural result of a lack of veteran leadership. I suspect that if Vince were still around, none of that stuff would have happened.

On the other hand, he isn’t 19. He’s—what? 22? 23?

ravi sheth:
“See jason kidd he has done worse things than sean.”

if so, i’m not aware of it. smacking his psychotic wife in the face is not the same as throwing a monitor at someone, something which could have potentially crippled them. but more importantly, kidd got it done on the court, game after game, while sean only occasionaly did. game, set, and match.

Where are all the Kiki haters on this T-Will pick by the way? It kind of seemed like a Thorn pick to me, just like Antoine Wright, from what I’ve read Kiki was high on Casspi right? IMO, the Nets need the team of Thorn/Kiki for at least one more season with the money coming. Thorn for the trades, Kiki for the draft.

And please stop comparing T-Will to Sean. Both had totally different collegiate careers.

@gigantes

jason kidd is a wife beater and he sexually assaulted a woman in a club. he grabbed her between the legs until she cried.

he is an allstar so people excuse that type of behavior.

You’re right gigantes, but smacking someone in the face – especially a woman – is still pretty bad and in my opinion just as bad if not worse than throwing a computer monitor at someone.

Nobody can blame picking T-Will. His character was backed up by Rick Pitino, who we thought had character, at that time. We soon learned different about T-Will as well as Pitino.

The NBA can’t afford anymore to have these questionable characters tarnishing their product. Fans just get turned off. Money is tight. The NBA has been going down hill for years now.

The days of giving millions to the likes of Sean Williams, T-Will and countless others has come to an end.

At least I hope so…

@kfranchise,
last time i checked, a monitor can cause a lot more damage than an open palm. besides which, comparing sean williams to jason kidd is beyond grasping at straws. i mean, some new phrase denoting extreme desperation needs to be coined to make that comparison.

fred kerber’s blog said it best: ‘after three years, you watch sean williams warming up and he’s not practicing anything that he can actually use in a game.’

@gigantes
  How do you even know his wife is psychotic?

The summer wasn’t all fun and games, however. Before the draft, Jason was arrested for hit-and-run and speeding after leaving the scene of an early-morning car accident. Jason pleaded no contest, was fined $1,000, and sentenced to 100 hours of community service and two years probation.

More problems surfaced. Jason admitted to fathering a child after being hit with a paternity suit, and then another woman accused him of slapping her at a party, but no files were charged. Finally, three days after he signed with the Mavs, his Chevy Suburban was stolen. Needing a way to endear himself to Mavs fans, Jason paid to have a new gym floor installed in a local Dallas church and bought a block of 30 season tickets for use by underprivileged kids.

@ Mike, Players we let go and regretted:

Stephen Jackson
Nenad Krstic
Anthony Johnson
Jason Collins (now we ARE looking for a front line defenstive stopper?)
Lucious Harris

-I theorize that Harris would have had more in the tank for longer if his spirit was not broken by being traded for a stupid 2nd round pick. Also, he beat us with a buzzer beater the next season… we win that game, maybe we slip into the playoffs with a game to spare, get to rest our starters… using that rest we upset the #1 seaded Heat, and seizing the momentum we would have had at that point, rocket all the way to our first NBA Championship. L Frank, after his first full year as coach, is heralded the greatest of all time and given lifetime tenure, which he gives up in 2042 to cede the job to his son after being inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame.

• apologies… he was waived… even more spirit-breaking (Kittles was the 2nd round pick)

Also,

KVH & Todd McCullogh (what an awful trade).

feel bad for SWill. Seems like he has serious personality problems and cannot handle success. I hope he does not turn up on these pages 5 years from now arrested or hurting himself. And on a separate note: is there any update on Rodney Rogers? Always liked what he brought and how he carried himself.

@ gigantes

You’re talking about the damage done and yes, throwing a computer at someone will clearly hurt them more than a fist. But I think smacking your wife – a woman you’ve dedicated your life to- is far worse than throwing a computer at some random guy you don’t even know. But we’re here for the Nets, not to debate ethics.

Ravi Sheth:
“How do you even know his wife is psychotic?”

psychotic in the colloquial sense, of course. using her kids to spy on him and steal his gadgets was probably the most low-key thing she did. but try googling their names together and you’ll find a laundry list of insane behavior on her part… including physical abuse.

speaking of laundry lists, what does your own laundy list of kidd’s offenses have to do with anything? i mean, most players in the league have a similar list, including the biggest names in the game. and i love your last two items… the nerve of kidd for having his car stolen and doing good deeds for public welfare!

but yea, all of this somehow excuses sean williams in some bizarre way that i haven’t yet grasped. jason kidd won ROY his very first season and i’m sure williams would have also if only that dastardly man, lawrence frank, hadn’t plotted against him.

@ Paul B – The only players that I regret the Nets letting go of are Nenad Krstic and Anthony Johnson.

As for the other three players:

Stephen Jackson actually FIRED OFF a gun, which is FAR WORSE than what Gilbert Arenas is alleged to have done. He then compounded the mistake by claiming (weakly AND wrongly based on the evidence) that he had acted in self-defense. To top it all off, this incident came LESS THAN TWO YEARS AFTER what many consider to be THE DARKEST DAY EVER IN NBA HISTORY!!!!!

Jason Collins can’t even take minutes from a player who is even older and more washed up THAN HE IS!

Lucious Harris had a bad back at the time and is probably confined to a wheelchair – or worse.

i love his game. but he is a grown man and has to act like one. so good bye swat n good luck in the future if u have 1

almost forgot how joumana kidd caused a world of trouble for richard jefferson by intimating that he was gay… all as part of her campaign to slander kidd and his teammates for her court case.

nothing like being a public figure in a homophobic sports league, in a homophobic nation, who has to endure that stigma all because someone sees him as a bargaining chip. nevermind that by all known evidence, RJ was, and is, straight. that never mattered. rock on, joumana…

@Mike
What’s wrong with TWill’s character? He’s a rookie for chrissake, and any rookie thrown into a situation where your team achieves the worst start of all 60+ years of NBA history, goes through a change of coaches, and has constant locker room and chemistry problems will not respond well. Thus those tweets are no big deal, and in fact other players probably feel the same way he does, but them being older and more experienced have learned how to not let all their thoughts out, which TWill is in the process of learning.

Sean Williams was one of the only players on this putrid excuse for an NBA team that Ratner gave us that I had any interest in watching. This is complete unwatchable garbage and some of you should have at least appreciated that Sean was a potentially exciting player.

@ diehardNFFLbarnone

Collins just came off his Nets contract last offseason. We could have had him or we could have had Stromile Swift.
I based who we should regret letting go on the context in which we let them go, which is why guys like K-Mart and A Train are not on the list (K-Mart was overpaid and A Train went for VC). Jason Collins would have been a defensive asset for a year and a half, definitely more of an asset than Mr. Swift, who I’m sure is a lovely man.

Jackson is a scuzzbag, but he was a good player and we never used him at all. Let him go for nada. And no outsiders knew he was a scuzzbag at the time… don’t know if his teammates did or not… a lot depends on that.

Harris I explained. And I am kinda serious in that he might have had a couple more years here. Also, more importantly, he was WAIVED… and look at that pitiful team we had to start the following season… I woulda taken him over Eric Williams. Just saying.

also, Jackson would have peaked in the years we went to the Finals… Coulda won a title. Then dumped the scuzzbag.

other teams will try sean william..dont worry…cause he can block shots and rebound.. hope sean the best..

Sean’s misdeeds are overblown. First of all, he did not throw the computer AT the clerk. He threw it. If he’d thrown if AT the clerk he’d be in jail for assualt. I am not saying it was a good thing but it was not an assault…in contrast to Jkidd. Smoking pot is bad for his lungs but should not be characterized as “criminal” even if it’s not legal for recreational purposes. The third infraction occurred when his old college coach personal invited him to a game. Apparently Sean thought the invitation nullified the restraining order. Again, not exactly “criminal”—he was attending a basketball game. Immature, yes…but a bad character guy? LFrank thought he was a really sweet kid. As a basetball player, I would have let him play through his mistakes and develop on the court. He was fun to watch on defense.

I like Sean williams, but there is only one problem it’s either he get 5 blocks effortless or get 6 fouls effortless too. It’s reallly fun or funny.

who says the nets didn’t let williams play through his mistakes and develop on the court?? he averaged over 11 the past two seasons and 15 minutes in his career. that’s more than enough to prove something.

also, developing on the court sounds all well and good, but if you haven’t worked on the underlying skillset and haven’t worked on understanding the playbook, mostly what that leaves is a possible increase in general BBIQ. sean didn’t set the world on fire in that area, either AFAIK.

As a fellow human being, I really feel for Sean. He is just a big kid who can’t handle sudden success. And I don’t think what he did are really criminal. But as a professional basketball player, I can;t imagine any team would put up with him, esp. when he is not super talented. He has no one to blame but himself. I still wish him well and any one deserves a second chance in life, not pro b ball.

Why are we comparing wrongdoings?

Sure throwing a monitor isn’t as bad as throwing it at someone or dealing with guns, but not as bad is still not good. Fact of the matter is that there are 19 and 20 year olds in the NBA that can act maturely, and in turn they can succeed. If he can’t do it, then that’s on him, the team can’t make him grow up. Other guys can play well and have no off court problems, yet you want to fret over a guy who every single reporter says is a big disappointment and is about to be released, probably never to play in the league on a regular basis again. What did we really miss out on? A potential role player? The future generations will never even know Sean Williams existed. I loved Sean as much as anyone during his rookie year, but I always said he will be good if he kept his head together. And he did just that, screw up mentally and now is gonna be gone

Guys, guys, give TWill a break.

T-Will is an immature kid, who needs to grow up in a hurry and take his profession a lot more seriously, but the calls in here to ship this kid out not even a year into his career are flat out stupid.

This is ALSO not the best environment to develop a rookie properly, on court or off. There also is a huge lack of veteran presence in the locker room. You just can’t write this kid off in January. The lack of professionalism being exhibited from T-Will is just one of many problems in that locker room, problems that were made possible BY THE FRONT OFFICE.

Again folks, Net Income provides some good analysis and insight from time to time, but taking his kneejerk reaction to Terrence Williams seriously is absolutely laughable. This is the same guy who pretty much threw CDR under the bus all summer long and CDR proved that he(Net Income) didn’t know what he was talking about. Will T-Will step up to the plate like CDR? I don’t know. I predicted CDR to improve because the kid was working hard and plays hard. T-Will, I will wait and see.

As for Sean, I wish him the best. I don’t blame the Nets for parting ways…too many incidents, and not enough on court improvement to warrant keeping him around. It seems to me that he never worked on his game since his rookie year because he hasn’t improved on either end of the floor.

And what is this nonsense with comparing T-Will, who hasn’t had any run ins with the law, to guys that have committed criminal acts? Really, are you guys serious here?

Now this is funny. You call Yi “soft” on here, people like Net Income are quick call you a racist, but it’s cool to start comparing T-Will to guys that have gotten in trouble with the law…why? Because he’s a young black male? Is that it people??

Sleeping through practices and twittering like an idiot makes T-Will unprofessional and shows that he needs to get his tail in gear, not that he’s about to start committing felonies or sexual assault. I remember some of the stupid comments that were made about T-Will after he and Nate Robinson were pulled over because Nate was driving with a suspended license and I found them to be overboard for something so trivial, and here we are again with the mess. Some of the stuff that I see from posters on this site is despicable.

@MrDB

Amen.

Bye Bye Sean, we hardly knew you…He’s be bagging groceries in two years, unless he has Stromile’s career, and sticks around for ten, going from team to team to team. Boone’s not so bad, and doesn’t make so much money either. After we drop the “other Shawne” we will have a roster spot open for whoever shows up available. TWILL is not going anywhere, and as far as lacking the maturity to accept the losing…I am 55 and I don’t have the maturity to accept the losing either. How can anybody accept this losing? It makes me sick.

It’s real simple judging Swat. It’s not what he is off the court. It’s not what he can’t do on the court. It’s what he can do that makes him special. His time as a Nets will be remembered by me for not wanting to play for us and playing out of position. Someone will make him the dominate defensive player he can be. Maybe while he is stoned, has bad work habits and has a rap sheet.

As far as Stephen Jackson goes, per his wiki entry:

“Marcus Thompson of the Contra Costa Times conveys his opinion as such: “He takes the younger players under his wing, taking them shopping, dispensing advice, lending an ear. What’s more, he does the little things that are unbecoming of a millionaire thug. He looks people in the eye when they talk to him, as if he cares about what they’re saying. He frequently doles out handshakes, half-hugs and, to women, pecks on the cheek. He returns phone calls. He mends fences, lifts spirits, makes others feel special.”31 Gwen Knapp, of the San Francisco Chronicle states “He couldn’t have been more charming or more engaged, the perfect face of the franchise.”32

Former coach Rick Carlisle and current coach Don Nelson have constantly referred to Jackson’s high character. On the Jim Rome show, Nelson stated Jackson is not simply a good person in the limited world of the NBA, but one of the finest people he has ever known.33 Pacers executive Donnie Walsh, who was principally responsible for the Golden State trade, stated “I love Jack to death. He’s emotional and he’s going to get technicals. But that’s just part of the package. He’s a great team guy.”34

During his 7-game suspension to begin the 2007–08 NBA season, Jackson decided to donate a significant portion of his time towards community service in the Oakland area, in order to make a positive impact while giving the public a chance to meet him. He organized several events, geared mainly towards children.35 Additionally, during a game against the Toronto Raptors, Jackson paid tribute to forward Matt Barnes and his ailing mother whom he had left to support in her battle against cancer, by wearing the number 22 on his headband. Jackson also offered to miss his return from suspension if Barnes needed the support at home.36 Jackson is also known to attend Bible study with other Warriors such as Kelenna Azubuike, former Warrior Al Harrington, and Brandan Wright.37 Pairing up with Southwest Airlines, Jackson and the Warriors organization arranged an essay contest for elementary school students from his hometown of Port Arthur, which gave 10 third-graders the opportunity to meet Jackson and receive tickets to the following night’s game.38

The NBA recognized Jackson for his ongoing charitable causes and presented him with the league’s Community Assist Award for March 2008. During the month of March alone, he participated in a Silence the Violence rally, teamed up with Grammy Award-winner John Legend to raise funds for the Show Me Campaign, participated in a groundbreaking for a basketball court, and launched his own foundation.39

In conjunction with the Good Tidings Foundation, Jackson unveiled the Stephen Jackson Basketball Court at Omega Boys Club in San Francisco on April 11, 2008. Additionally, in honor of Jackson’s continued commitment to the Bay Area community, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom proclaimed Saturday, April 12, 2008 – the day after the unveiling – as Stephen Jackson Day in San Francisco.40"

No human being is perfect, and people make mistakes. But that doesn’t make them a “scuzzbucket”.

Is Sean Williams a terrible human being? No, I don’t think so. I think he is a kid with maturity issues, and some possible anger issues, that failed to seize an opportunity that was given to him. But that doesn’t make him scum of the earth like he is being portrayed as by some people on here.

I bet and hope the Knicks pick up S.Williams for Coach D’Antoni and his system. Our coaching staff did a terrible job working with S.Williams. He will flourish with the right coaching just watch. It was the right move to rid the team of these players, however, just watch S.Williams haow well he does witht he right coaching.

Its a shame what has happened to Sean. But maybe its a change that will ultimately benefit him. He will be forced to grow up, re-prioritize his life, and rededicate himself to the game of basketball. I wish Sean the best. The times I met Sean, he was always a very nice guy, goofy, upbeat, etc. He was always surrounded by a group of kids and seemed to really enjoy the fan interaction. I wish him the best and I hope he gets back in the league.

As for TWill, the kid is a rookie. You have to cut him some slack. This team has quickly become like poison – and the problem is not really having any strong veteran presence in that locker room. I remember a writer bringing up the point in the beginning of the season that it is going to be very hard to develop these young players while having multiple veterans on expiring deals – many of whom are looking to play for that last contract. I have a feeling that is exactly what has transpired – where there is a big split between veterans needing minutes to earn a new contract and feeling slighted by the attention lavished on the young “developing” talent.

I have said all season long – this season is a success if you manage to develop the young players while turning the expiring contracts into assets (either young players or draft picks). So far the Nets appear to have done that with Najera and Alston (Humphries, 2nd round pick, Quinn). Hump could very easily have a future with this team.

I think getting rid of Sean Williams was simply a numbers casualty, the Nets realizing he had no place in their future plans – and possibly some locker room chemistry stuff. He never played, you don’t know how he responded to that in the locker room – or what type of influence he may have had on guys like TWill. I think Kiki simply cut his losses to prevent a more valuable asset from becoming damaged goods.

I would like to see us hold on to Boone – as I really think he is a positive piece for the future – but he clearly has more value than any other veteran at the moment. I am positive Battie is gone by the deadline – possibly for a 2nd round pick.

As a fan though, you have to be happy that there is indeed some sort of game plan here – and that Kiki is going to continue to execute this plan via the court and thru personnel changes.

This only speaks to the importance of the who they bring in as coach next season, along with any moves they make in free agency. The Nets desperately need to have a well respected veteran coach who is known for developing young players, while promoting defense. He has to be a disciplinarian with a young team.

As far as free agency goes – the Nets can not afford to make a mistake in free agency. This is not simply from a financial (overpaying lesser talent) perspective, but also in bringing in guys well respected as veteran leaders, strong character guys, etc.

The hardest thing is having a very young team – and you need high character veterans and a strong coach to pull it all together. And if not, you end up with a lost season.

That other coach that we had ruined Sean as he did to all of our youth…Sean will average five blocks a game on a team with a coach that appreciates him ,like say the Celtics….I wish that we would give him a real chance here with a real coach ……He has always been treated like he is disposable…Imagine living like that….Why did he not get the personal attention that Yi gets ??..How about teaching Sean some post moves ?…He is very quick and athletic….And I still think that he should have been playing the forward position….

Gun-toting ex-Giant Plaxico Burress may be behind bars, but New Jersey Net Sean Williams is said to be doing his part to spread panic at the disco.

A battalion of security guards recently carried the 6-foot-10 power forward out of Chelsea’s M2 UltraLounge after he allegedly annoyed female patrons, hurled an ice bucket at a busboy and threw a punch at a bouncer, sources tell us.

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He definitely should keep his distance from alcohol but I’m sure that he is frustrated by his current situation which I feel was not all his fault…..

Adding to my previous point about “As far as free agency goes – the Nets can not afford to make a mistake in free agency. This is not simply from a financial (overpaying lesser talent) perspective, but also in bringing in guys well respected as veteran leaders, strong character guys, etc.” there is a good article on David Lee in todays NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/sports/basketball/10lee.html?ref=sports

I know a variety of people have argued for and against signing David Lee in free agency this summer. The arguments for him are always that he is a young PF who rebounds very well. The arguments against are that his numbers are a product of playing in D’Antoni’s system.

But you have never heard any negative stories about the guy, he routinely gives a double double, is clearly a hard worker and fills a need at the Nets biggest position of need. And with his rebounding and developing outside shot – is a nice complement to Brook down low and can also play on the floor with Yi.

He is definitely not one of the flashier names bandied about in free agency – but he could be a really good piece for the Nets. Definitely not a max player – but for $10m a year I think would be a strong signing.

And if you can’t get Lebron, you then make a move at Carmelo or Durant in 2011.

SMH @ Sean. Disappointing way to end your basketball career. I hope he saved some money, and i hope he gets some kind of psychological help.

I think the main knocks on Lee is that he’s not a good defender, and he has no offense on his own. His points right now come from put backs and being set up and spotting up, but if you give him the ball and ask him to create his own shot, he’s not lighting anyone up.

But then again we are a team in desperate need of rebounding, and Brook Lopez seems like a guy who would benefit from a frontcourt mate who doesn’t need to score, and instead focus on other things while he takes care of the offense.

Time to trade Yi and BSimmons to Toronto for Bosh!!

And I highly doubt that Durant will be a free agent in 2011. He’ll get a huge extension next season.

Bosh already said plain and simple that he doesn’t want to play here. He can walk freely at the end of the year and doesn’t have to do a sign and trade or anything

I like David Lee…..He is definitely worth the money….He has a nice outside stroke and I feel that he should start shooting outside more…This will help his inside game..He needs to improve on his first step….And he has a High Basketball IQ…He reminds me of a Knicks Star from long ago….DAVE DEBUCSHERE (SP)…..The Knicks aren’t going to let him go…..

Read the article on Lee. I admittedly don’t watch the Knicks unless they are playing the Nets. But I have continued to see headlines of Lee scoring big numbers – and this article talks about the development of his mid to long range jumper. And then provides stats to back up the argument.

D’Antoni goes so far as saying that they are using Lee at times as a sort of PG at the top of the key to facilitate the offense because of his strengths as a passer, combined with the emergence of his jumper.

I think he could make sense as a free agent signing for this team. We are not getting Bosh. Not getting Wade. Not getting Amare. Lebron is a bit of a wildcard, but with our cap space, this team has enough space to sign both Lee and Lebron.

As for Durant – he could very well pull a Lebron and not sign the long term extension, preferring to test the free agent waters. You really think OKC is a hot spot for young NBA guys?

OKC’s a better environment than what we have, I’m guessing our guys just ignore each other after games and practices.
Thunder guys are genuinely friends, they hang out with each other all the time and guess what, they’re looking like a pretty strong team in the future. Chicken or the egg?

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/01/08/the-quiet-life-how-a-small-market-presents-positive-options/

To some of the younger players in the league, Oklahoma City might seem like the NBA’s version of Smallville. But the relative lack of late-night entertainment doesn’t hinder the players on this squad. Instead, they found a way to turn the sublimely simple into a satisfying routine. They do the one thing almost no other NBA team does after home games: They stick together.

at Dollar Bills:

Are you aware that Stephen Jackson not only helped cause our Nets an NBA Title in the ’03 Finals with his stellar play but also was seen partying with Kenyon Martin (of the opposing team!!!) and both heavily under the influence the night before Game 6. One guy showed up for the next game (17 pts, 7 for 13 FGS), the other went 3 for 23 and then demanded a max-out contract from his team.

@Mr. Dollar Bills
So now I’m a racist for calling TWill a jerk? What bull.

He IS a jerk. Jerks sleep through practice and shoot arounds, publicly wish they were elsewhere, argue with beat writers who ask innocuous questions…all in two months…the most recent last week. As I noted yesterday, he has a lot to prove. I don’t care if he does or not.

TWill has no history of violence (now there’s an endorsement), but he does have a history of being a jerk…and that should factor into personnel decisions. The same excuses were used with Sean Williams, whose early days with the Nets were not as jerky as TWill’s. I hope the Nets have learned their lesson from any one of a number of examples from the team’s recent history…including picks with alcohol problems (two besides Sean Williams) and maturity issues.

I blame Frank

Once again, an extremely fringe NBA player (or perhaps not even an NBA player) draws a huge amount of comments on a Nets forum. This really nothing. Seam Willimas. A guy I rooted for but eventually realized that he just doesn’t have what it takes to be a pro. Face it.

I am also discouraged by T. Williams immaturity. I’d certainly be interested in trading him for a player who has done as much (0) who has the right team building winning professional attitude. Think a young Richard Jefferson type attitude. What a breath of fresh air he was for the Nets who have always had a dark cloud following them. The Nets just can’t have malcontents- they are not the Lakers (do the Lakers ever have malconntents?…) Attitude about the organization makes a difference.

at Net Income:

you happen to bring race into the picture quite often in your arguments. If someone on here doesn’t like Yi simply because he is a soft, stiff excuse for an NBA power forward, then we are racist against him. So what do you expect?

@Voice of Reason

Kobe pre-2008

@ NI

I blame this organization for it, T-Will would’ve been a better player if he is not a Net.

Every player who can’t get much opportunities to play would do something else to release their pressures.

Prediction: Humphries plays crunch time minutes, while Yi sits. Prediction two: Yi gets hurt again and Humphries starts and never gives up starting position (until Nets get a bona fide PF).

seriously, we wanna know, who pushed to draft TWill? Thorn or Kiki or both? NetsDaily, please start a new thread on TWill draft.

Humphries? crunch time minutes? I wish you guys would buy league pass before you make outlandish predictions

Regarding TWill, if its a choice between being a Star or a Bust in 3 years, I say he will be a Star. I just hope he is still with the Nets at that time, and that management doesn’t listen to the ridiculous remarks here.

I suspect that Kiki is doing exactly what he needs to do with TWill – bench him after every transgression (sleeping during practice) and then building him back up when he continues to act properly. I don’t think his not being played is due to anything he did during a NBA game. Kiki believes he can turn TWill away from the “dark side” and into a Jedi Master.

@Ryan
I have been following the Knicks, just to watch DLee. There is no available big man in the draft who could impact the Nets anything like DLee could. He is their best player, hands down. DLee is likely to be taken for the All-Star game ahead of BLopez.

However, $10 million wouldn’t get DLee to come to Nets, even if they first drafted John Wall.

NI and others say that Knicks wouldn’t act on DLee in early July in order to wait for bigger options (let them believe in those options). However, others say that Knicks wouldn’t let DLee go.

Since I am convinced that LeBron will stay for an extra year (hopefully will know by end of playoffs), then I would make the best offer for DLee, in early July – can’t lose with DLee. Go for LeBron or Anthony in 2011.

The only problem is if Nets don’t get Wall, do they pick another PF/backup Center type, knowing that DLee is ready to produce next year?

Could you imagine the repercussions in Manhattan if Nets stole DLee away and Knicks had to settle for the likes of Boozer, JJohnson.

@ Jarkid & NetsFan48

I can’t believe the excuse is that they’re frustrated because they aren’t getting PT.

How many people in real life love their job? How many get paid millions to do it? How many who don’t love their job and aren’t getting paid millions, get to just go punch someone in the face cuz they’re PO’d.

Plus, they’re job is PLAYING BASKETBALL!!!

That’s a bogus argument. Oh, well we should excuse him attacking random people or sleeping through everything cuz he’s not playing and he’s mad… Ok… So let’s all take that attitiude.. we’d be out on the street.

Hopefully SW leanrs his lesson so we don’t read about how he is on the street in a couple of years. I sicerely hope he does and wish him well.

@ Jarkid & NetsFan48

I can’t believe the excuse is that they’re frustrated because they aren’t getting PT.

How many people in real life love their job? How many get paid millions to do it? How many who don’t love their job and aren’t getting paid millions, get to just go punch someone in the face cuz they’re PO’d.

Plus, they’re job is PLAYING BASKETBALL!!!

That’s a bogus argument. Oh, well we should excuse him attacking random people or sleeping through everything cuz he’s not playing and he’s mad… Ok… So let’s all take that attitiude.. we’d be out on the street.

Hopefully SW leanrs his lesson so we don’t read about how he is on the street in a couple of years. I sicerely hope he does and wish him well.

How good do you think David Lee would be if he went here?

A. We don’t play as fast paced as the knicks.

B. We have Brook Lopez, a 20 10 guy who would eat into touches, rebounds, and space down low.

C. We’re at the bottom of the league in assists, no one’s gonna be feeding him the ball a lot here.

Sure you can sign Lee. And he will play adequately well. But he won’t give you $10 million+ dollar a year production.

He’ll be the next Rashard Lewis, who’s averaging 15 ppg 5 rpg 2 apg and getting paid $18 million this year.

Is he playing well? You could say that. Is he integral to their team? Yes. Is he worth $18 million? No.

If you give David Lee that monster contract you will regret it immediately. 8 million, sure, why not? 15 million? Go find someone else.

@mumu
It will probably have to be between $12-14 million in order to beat competition. It may have to be early in July, before Knicks know what happened.

A lot depends on Nets getting John Wall, who WOULD give both Lee and Lopez assists.

Isaac Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Sean Williams was one of the only players on this putrid excuse for an NBA team that Ratner gave us that I had any interest in watching. This is complete unwatchable garbage and some of you should have at least appreciated that Sean was a potentially exciting player.

Place the blame squarely where it should be placed, on Sean Williams. The Nets gave Sean a chance most other teams would not have. They paid him millions and put him in the starting line up as a rookie. It now appears that the Nets made a costly mistake drafting Sean, along with many other mistakes it has led to one of the worst teams in sports history.

Net Income,

You are quick to pull the race card anytime someone questions Yi’s toughness, or says something negative about him, so I see no reason why I shouldn’t use the same underhanded and dishonest tactics against you when call for T-Will to be dumped when the season isn’t even half over. Remember that next time when you try to paint someone on here as a racist because they have a less than favorable opinion about Yi, seeing that you don’t like being called one yourself.

As far as T-Will goes, I think that he’s proven to be very immature and is starting off his career in a very unprofessional manner, but as we all know, young people in their early 20s sometimes aren’t the most mature people in the world, and they learn from their mistakes and learn to act in a professional manner. Let’s hope that he does so because he can be a very productive talent on this team.

@ dollarbills

agreed, mostly.

So the jury is still out on S Jax… although I don’t blame him for what was called “costing” us a title in 2003 in terms of what he did on the court… that’s his job. That’s actually more reason we should regret giving him up, which is where I started this thing.

@ Mr. Dollar Bills

what are the signs that t-will showed us that he can be productive? other the 2 or 3 good looking dunks, he has been a total flop.

inconsistent shooting, bad shot selection, bad defense, bad play making, can’t finish off the dribble on his drive to the basket.

right now, all he has shown us is a diva act when he decided to vent twitter.

T-will has a long way to go, its not even about potential with this guy, he needs to learn how to help a team win games cause as far as potential, i actually don’t see much of it…he’s like a Hasan Adams who jumps and dribbles better.

ok I’m done defending williams

oh well sean. go to europe and make some more money while you are young.

@ muwu

Kobe has had some issues with being a arrogant jerk. And it hardly hurt the Lakers. I guess losing in the Finals to Detroit “hurt” the Lakers. Hardly comaparable to a team that won’t win 10 games and whose history is mostly that of a doormat.

Trying to say that one of the best players of all-time is a malcontent in comaprison to losers on teh Nets who do nothing on the basketabll court is… well….fill in the blank ____ .

Does Kobe produce big time on the court in comparison to the B.S. of picking on Bynum, bringing drama to his contract negotiations, or being falsely acused of rape? That question is rhetorical.

The point is if your going to be a malcontent, you better produce like Kobe Bryant. Otherwise, a team like the Nets (no Kobe there by the way) should have no tolerance for bad attituddes who also don’t produce.

Those Chelsea clubs are a disaster! GO SEAN!!!

How’s this trade?

Rockets get:
Tony Battie
Devin Harris
Yi Jianlian
Bobby Simmons
Terrence Williams

Nets get:
Aaron Brooks
Carl Landry
Tracy McGrady
Luis Scola
Rockets 2010 1st round pick

@aaaaa

You mean NJ would have to send their first round pick since Houston is sending a way better deal and better players

I don’t particularly like TWill as a person, but I still believe in him as a player. I think of him as a future point guard who can impact a game in the same way as Rajon Rondo can. I don’t understand why so many people here want the Nets to dump him right away. Rookies are prone to this kind of stuff. If he has Jason Kidd feeding his alley oops on the fast break, we probably would all be saying he is a future star and the best rookie we have has since RJ. We live in an instant gratification society though.

Anybody defending Sean Williams at this point in time, must be a saint or a member of the A.C.L.U.

God Bless Them… I won’t…

So what I got out of this discussion was that if we stop playing all of the current starters and give T-Will and S-Will extended minutes, they’ll be all-stars and we’ll win the NBA title.

God the Nets are so stupid right now!

@ aaaaa

lol, only in your dreams boy!!!

far too against the rockets for them to do that!!!

i never liked Swilliams alot anyway!!!

Now we will need a PF backup i think humphries will fit well there

God thx for the Najera & Swill move, now i want battie, boone and simmons out

keep an eye on hassell and Twill to be moved as the last guys i want out too!

at Paul B:

“although I don’t blame him for what was called "costing" us a title in 2003 in terms of what he did on the court”

I was more referring to him taking one of our key players out on the town the night before what proved to be the decisive game and getting him royaly messed up. Of course Kenyon himself is equally to blame. The guy was pathetic after asking for a max-deal coming off one of the poorest performances in NBA Finals history. And of course there was Kiki to hand it to him!!!

Voice of Reason:
“Kobe has had some issues with being a arrogant jerk. And it hardly hurt the Lakers.”

if that was the “voice of reason,” i’d hate to hear what the voice of irrationality says.

Everyone forgets how the Lakers were before Pau Gasol came to town now. Wasn’t Kobe the guy that pushed Shaq and consequently Phil Jackson out of town because he wanted to be the alpha dog? And yeah not to mention losing to that Detroit team when they were a superteam that year. How many championships could they have had if they stuck together?

2008
He bitched for a trade and disparaged teammates before the season started. He spent the first few weeks on businesslike cruise control before “embracing” his teammates, then fully committing himself after the Gasol trade.

So now everyone’s memory blacks out pre-gasol

David Lee isnt worth $12-14 million per by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close. We would be stupid if we threw that kind of money on another big who can’t guard his shadow.

What, exactly, was the purpose of these garbage reporters publishing this article anyway? I mean really, it happened, if it happened, last month! I guess you slimmy reporters have to get in your last “rib kicks” huh?And you have the nerve to speak about the bad behavior of other people around you while your character “shines through” right? Class act guys…..

i saw this coming from the beginning. sean williams will have a parole officer before he has a new coach in the nba. mark my words.

I do not know why all these people on the board support Sean Williams so much. He is a punk, he has no maturity whatsoever, he always gets in trouble, has no work ethic, and is a cancer to a team. And that stupid nickname makes me sick everytime I read it.