Team Source: Nets Interested in Big Baby

He’s one of those guys you hate when he’s not on your team. I’d love to have him – only thing is he shoots too much.

And this would mean BYE BYE MR. BOOZER

Big Baby should already be a net!!….I guess being the leading scorer on a national collegiate championship team doesn’t guarantee a 1st round draft pick.

This news seems to come after Mr. Boozer is rumored to be set on going to either Chicago or Miami.

CORRECTION: Final-four team.

Agreed, hate him if he’s not on your team. I don’t think I’d be too happy with him on the team. KG made the guy cry. Jeez. Not that it matters cause I doubt the Nets would offer more than the Celtics would be willing to match.

get him!!!!!!!!!!

I would rather have Boozer. I will believe it when I see it. ANOTHER….rumor!

GET HIM WE NEED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again, I’ll just say Glen Davis is over-rated and will do nothing for us.

On a side note, the Nets have been selling us the pipe-dream of the 2010 free agency. Even if we do get lucky enough to have a new owner take over for Ratner AND we sign a big time free agent in 2010, in my opinion it wont do much good. This year teams in the east have been stacking up so much or already have had big talent like Orlando, Cleveland, and Boston that it wont even matter who the Nets sign in 2010. LeBron is the only one that would make enough of a difference to get the Nets in the top 3 of the east, and he’s not going to the Meadowlands, Brooklyn, or Newark. D-Wade wouldnt even be enough to help us crack that top 3. Plus if Miami does get Boozer to go along with Wade, O’neal, and Beasley develops this year then there are 4 teams we cant touch and Wade wouldnt leave. We could sign Bosh, Amare, Dirk or even Yao and get a top 5 draft pick and we’d still be number 4 or 5 in the east. So all that 2010 cap space probably means nothing until like 2012 when those other teams are old/finished even if we get the new owner most of us keep hoping for.

WE NEED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the addition of Big Baby would put us in a position to have one heck of a bench. Doesn’t mean we still can’t go after Boozer or any other free agent this off season.

How things sometimes work…teams let it be known they are going to bid for a restricted free agent, but don’t actually tender an offer sheet. Once an offer sheet is tendered and signed by the free agent, the seven day matching period starts and teams cannot do a sign and trade. (If all three parties agree—both teams and the player—then it can be rescinded, but getting that work aint easy by the time the offer sheet has been signed.)

BUT before the offer sheet is tendered and signed, teams can do a sign and trade. Dont dismiss that in a scenario like this.

It’s what happened with KMart. The Nuggets didn’t tender an offer sheet, but told the Nets they would load it with incentives, bonuses, etc. So both sides had an interest in getting a sign and trade done…the Nets wanted to get something for KMart and the Nuggets didnt want to chance the Nets matching. So the Nets got three first round picks, two of which were used to trade for Carter and the third of which became Marcus Williams.

The article says the Celtics would match any offer – not could. The Nets can throw the whole mid-level and still be stuck. I’m thinking sign and trade…. They need a two as Allen is getting old – we have a few….. Davis would be a great addition and give Brook some much Yided (needed) help. Help! We can hardYI defend and BearYI rebound and poorYI keep guys out of the paint and rareYI go after it and definiteYI never use our post moves….. So it’s realYI a no brainer… sorry for all the YI stuff, but come on Davis is the opposite of Yi – we need toughness not finese. At least Thorn is on the lookout for some help inside.

Let’s not forget they picked up Rasheed Wallace, so Big Baby could be had in a sign and trade. They could use a point guard too and we have three….

How could the Celtics match a big offer? They’re already in salary cap hell as it is. They can match MOST offers since the market is drying up, almost everyone has spent there money, but certainly not all.

Big baby will bring the kinda toughness this team needs. Him and lopez at the 4 and 5 is a very powerful frontcourt.

For thse of you saying big baby will do nothing for us, that is shortsighted. He may not put us in the playoff but he is a great player to have on a good team which we hope to be in a years time.

I’m sorry but I’m not buying this. I won’t believe it until I see Mr Ratner actually spending the money. I’m not a big fan his anyway.

1st Question:

Why didnt we pursue Bass if we’re considering Big Baby?

2nd Question:

Who would the Nets include in a sign and trade?

Davis would help more than Boozer.

I wonder what this would look like on the court….

Harris
Lee
Yi
Baby
Lopez

Three big men who can shoot the mid range jumper and one that can knock down the deep ball. That is a very interesting line up to me with mismatches all over the place. I think the Nets are going to have to get tricky with their line ups to win games.

In a sign and trade, I could see the celtics interested in Alston, Dooling, and Hayes.

I wanted the Nets to draft Big Baby instead of Swat. He strikes me as an excellent fit with this team. He is no savior, but is a solid player who is certainly a moose. Not sure if it matters, but this guy is also hands down my kids’ favorite player in the NBA. Maybe it’s the nickname, maybe it’s the gentle giant thing, but they cannot get enough of him. I hope we get him.

I wouldn’t be against bring Big Baby here, the guy had a very good run in the playoffs and showed that he can be a productive starter. I would like to see him rebound at a solid 8-9 per game clip.

But NJ Questcat brought up a good point. You show interest in Davis and don’t even make a bid towards Bass?? what??? I don’t believe this one bit.

I don’t think Yi is able to play SF. They should at least experiment a bit with it in the preseason if he can handle the duties because if we do bring in a guy like Davis, you’d definitely have to start him but if Yi is able to play the three that gives us a nice line up of Lopez-Davis-Yi-Lee-Harris with Battie, Boone, T-Will, CDR, and Dooling off of the bench.

If an S&T is required, I’d say offer them PG help. Alston would probably be a solid fit but he has issues with House.

its nice Big Baby had some time under the guidance of KG…who knows..if he was on the Nets right after the draft he may not be as good.

Maybe Net Income or somebody can clear this. I think the idea of signing two max contracts in 2010 is stupid. The reason is simple. What we do when Lopez, Harris and possibly Yi are up for new contracts (not to mention TWill/CDR or other top pick in next draft). Where we would get money and cap space for the bench. Just wondering about this idea circulated by Nets brass.

I think we need a guy making 10-12 Mil range as the second big contract instead of max. Here comes BOOOZER. :)

A sign and trade would work and Big Baby would improve the team but he is similar to Boozer just not as good and would not leave the Nets with the chance to compete for a title. I’d rather suck and get a top 3 pick in 2010. I bet the Celtics would want Swat in a sign a trade. They know defense when they see it.

I also wanted the Nets to draft Davis instead of Sean Williams. In fact, I believe that if someone went back and checked the archive, you could see my comments on that a few years ago.

So let me see – if they picked up Big Baby now, it would be Thorn admitting he screwed up that draft, right? And Thorn already admitted he screwed up last year’s draft of Anderson instead of Lee, since he basically traded one for the other this summer. Thorn’s a good GM on trades, but his drafs have been bad.

(I also wanted the Nets to take Granger instead of Antoine Wright. So what do I know about drafting?)

Nets should fire Polinsky and hire A.S. :)

who did you want this year A.S.?

A.S.

Imo Swat is better than Big Baby. Think about what position Big Baby would play for us. I think it would be the 5 like Swat plays. Thorn traded Anderson to get rid of VC and when he drafted Anderson over Lee he had VC so he didn’t need Lee. The draft is a crap shoot anyway.

@ joe

That was hysterical.

Regarding Davis, I think he’d be a nice addition. Hustler, scrappy player and certainly better than yi at this point. SWAT shows glimpses but he’s not consistent or reliable. Davis would be an upgrade at least.

@Joe

I agrYI. WYi nYid to take a long look at who would help us compYite. One pYiece just doesn’t fit our nYids.

i’d love to get Big Baby. tough, hard worker guy who already has a ring and has proven to be a nice solid player when KG was out and their other bigs were sidelined

we would have to go past 2010 to get him, but i dont mind. a young physical PF is what a lot of teams need/want. weve been looking for one for 5 years. hes not as good as boozer, but i’d rather have Davis here to be honest. he comes cheaper and he plays.

it would be great if the C’s let him go, but why? he is young, sheed is a short term player whereas davis can be there for years and he knows the system and they know he can produce in the playoffs. plus would they want to see him in the same division? boston has a very small window now so sooner or later they are going to fall back into the middle of the pack and might kick themselves for letting a productive big man go and go to a team rebuilding with young players like the nets.

nice rumor to hear. hope we can get him. it would give Yi some competition and he could backup brook if something happens to boone/battie

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=30619.0

Some Celtics fans talking about the possibility of Baby comin over to the nets…

most of their fans seem like they’d want Dooling in a S & T for Big Baby. A lot of fans over there also do not want to overpay him and think that if the Nets offer the full MLE, they wont match.

Big Baby at the full MLE for Rafer Alston OR Jarvis Hayes & Keyon Dooling. I think that would do it. Is the full MLE too much for a guy like Davis? Perhaps.

WTF. I suggested this and noone said anything. In fact I said that we should sign Big Baby, while everyone is paying 0 attention to him, place him in the starting line up, and make Yi the 6th man. Yi as a 6th man could get more shots which equates to more acknowledgment which increases his market value such as Manu Ginobli, while at the same time Brook Lopez has more shots and more space to move around. In addition Big Baby can hit midrange jumpshots with high accuracy which will fit well with Brook’s low post game. Finally who is going to out hustle a line up that has Cortney Lee, Glen Davis, CDR, and T-Will? !!!

I like Davis but the thing that concerns me is that he is not a good rebounder. I think rebounding may be the thing that Brook needs the most help with. Rebounding is what seperates a guy like Davis from a guy like Boozer. In a sign & trade, I think the Celtics would be most interested in Dooling. They also have a positive history with Battie.

nets cant afford to lose dooling or hayes

Do you ever stop to think why clubs like Utah and Boston would not sign their own players Boozer + Davis? Maybe they know something we don’t? Over paying for left overs usually is not a good policy. Unless you get them for next to nothing you are better off buying quality or not buying at all.

Nice TommyT! I thank YI! And good point Jerrod – Big Baby adds the hustle and scrappy play that seems to be what this team will be. He seems much more logical than Boozer b/c of age and style of play. I was impressed with his cold blooded approach in the playoffs. Also, for those that don’t believe b/c of Bass – I don’t think Bass has as complete a game: his offense is more limited. Big Baby makes more sense alongside BLopez.

Im sorry. I don’t see the excitement about Big Baby Davis. He’s a decent role player on a good team. He got hot at the perfect time (playoffs), with all the Celts frontcourt depleted (KG out, LPowe out) and at the perfect time (during the playoffs) in a contract yr. The perfect storm.

With the money you would have to pay Davis…you’re better off saving the $$$ and giving Boone and SWilliams on more shot. Take either buy one in FA or draft one.

@ joe….

agreed…

Big Baby does have the midrange jumper that Bass does not.

if a sign and trade does go down, which is the most likely scenario since boston wont let him leave for nothing…

Dooling would almost definitely be involved just because he’s a big PG who can play the two and defend both the one and two.

Celtics would definitely be interested in Dooling. He fits in well with them. He would kill it from 3 with the Celtics…

i’ll miss him if he goes…so much clutch from dooling.

no more than 3.5 million a year in my opinion…ike diogu is not going to resign with the kings because they just signed may. Ike diogu would be cheaper…and if given a chance probably better than glen davis.

I live in Boston. I am NOT a fan of this guy. Even more so if it includes Dooling. Dooling>Alston

Give him 5 guaranteed years + he turns into Hot Plate Davis

….AND SO ARE WE, NETS FANS AND SEASON TICKET HOLDERS!!!!

Glen Baby Davis is what we need in the middle!!!

@ Mike

Great point. If these guys were that good they would be retained by their clubs. We made two good acquisitions last year in Hayes and Dooling but still were in the lottery. Impact players are rarely available and only when there are extenuating circumstances like the player wants a trade or the team has a $ problem is there a chance to get them. Usually you are getting someone else’s problem and dumping one of yours. Sure we would improve with some of these guys but its limited and we’re better off through the draft to get to the level of a title contender.

Jerome James Part II

^ It’s actually a horrible point. Boozer is on the Jazz. He wants to be traded, otherwise they’d keep him for this season.

Glen Davis is a restricted FA, Boston is just waiting for someone to offer the MLE so that they can match, otherwise Glen will have to sign with them for a significantly les amount. Teams love the idea of adding Glen Davis to their roster. And to all of you critics of him he is better than Sean Williams, and Josh Boone. Finally, to whomever said it Brook does not need help with rebounding. He avg 8 per ame last year, his rookie season. With Cortney Lee, and Terrance Williams in the back court the team will be a well rounded rebounding team.

At least Boozer gobbles up rebounds when he’s on the floor, I’d rather have him than Davis anyday. We’ll need all those 2nd chance shots and to limit the opponents to 1 and done to even have a CHANCE at winning most games this season.

Here is a quote from the article for those who refuse to read “The Celtics have said they would match any reasonable offer for Davis. The Detroit Pistons, New Orleans Hornets and Portland Trail Blazers, league sources said, tried to work a sign-and-trade deal for Davis only to be rebuffed by the Celtics. Boston did offer Davis and guards J.R. Giddens(notes) and Gabe Pruitt(notes) to the Pistons for forward Jason Maxiell(notes) and a first-round pick, but was quickly turned down.”

@jerrod
Last season Brook Lopez HIMSELF said he needed help with rebounding in the front court. So who better to trust than the source? He DOES need help with rebounding. Boozer would be better than Big Baby by far.

Again with the rebounding!!! As I said before the team would be a well rounded rebounding team. And just to add it, Kendreck Perkins, Paul Perice, and Rajon Rondo all rebounded for that team during the playoffs, so the fact that Glen was able to pull down 6 reb was great.

Yes he did say that, but the fact of the matter is that he will have help.

i hate big baby but hey, he can help us.

@ Jerrod

Both Utah and Boston will determine the fate of their respective players. Not the players themselves. What Boozer wants is irrelevant. Utah will trade him cuz they choose Milsap over him and don’t need him. Boston is similar. They signed Wallace and have Powe off the bench. They might not need him but will probably match any reasonable offer he gets. My point is these guys were replaced and are expendable so how good could they be. As far as the comparison of Davis to Boone and Swat, talk to me when our guys play the 4 or when Davis plays the 5.

If anyone thinks Big Baby is leaving the Celtics for the Nets, you are dreaming! Would love to have him on our team, but don’t see it happening.

Its a different story when you consider luxury tax implications. Both Boston and Utah want to keep Davis and Boozer respectively, but they don’t want to pay through the nose for their services, in salary and in the subsequent luxury tax payment.

Utah does not want to keep Boozer. Utah fans want him gone. The team agreed to pay Millsap $35 million and he and Boozer play the same position. Boozer in Utah is like Carter in Toronto. Fans think promises were broken.

I doubt either Boozer or Davis will be a Net next week, but if youre looking for a sign and trade, note this: KG LOVES Trenton Hassell.

it would be nice if we could get away with no Dooling or Hayes in a deal.

Trading your garbage for someones else garbage usually ends up as garbage. Boozer is garbage. Talented garbage but garbage. Throw out the trash. Glen Davis is not called “Big Baby” for nothing. Patience is a virtue. Wait for the right deal. The Nets don’t have room to make mistakes. Proceed with caution. Just say no…

^How would acquiring Glen Davis be a mistake?
You suggest that we be patient, but isn’t that the idea behind acquiring Davis? What other big do you people expect to be willing to come in and only get 20 min per game, while Yi is getting borderline 30 min?

I’m all for waiting for the right guys, but when you call these players other teams’ ‘garbage’ the same could have been said last year for Dooling and Hayes and they turned out to be strong contributors and they are good values at the price we paid for them. I dont think they will get Davis because we would have to overpay for him and I don’t think thats smart. I dont think he is worth the full midlevel over 5 years. But we should see if we can get him for less.

I think someone said it right on this board…that anytime there are rumored deals involving NJ, it usually doesn’t happen. Most of the deals happen suddenly, out of the blue.

Money and players used to acquire Davis could be saved for something more valuable down the road. If “Big Baby” is only going to get 20 minutes a game, you just calculated his real value. Nothing… On the other hand if you think Davis is a emerging impact player, go for it. I may be wrong but I don’t think Glen Davis is that kind of impact player. Teams with good management don’t allow their valued players to get into this situation. See what poor managed orgnizations do (I.E. Knicks) and do the opposite. Stop gap measures always produce the same results (I.E. Nets). It only takes one shot. Use it wisely.

Yesterday, the Miami Herald had an article on Boozer going there. They quote Boozer as being in love with Miami.
However, he is also quoted previously as wanting to go to New York. The only significance of where he wants to go is that the team that trades for him will expect to be able to re-sign him next year.

I wonder if what Thorn is up to, is trying to let Utah know that the Nets may not be in Boozer hunt if they procrastinate and set their price too high. Nets can give the GS pick, CDR and the expiring contract of Simmons – take it or leave it, but don’t delay.

I probably would rather have Boozer than Cry Baby (that was always my nickname) as more of a sure thing for 4-5 years. However, if Glen Davis for Hassell or Alston (if they could make salaries match?) would be a no-brainer. If Yi didn’t work out, then Nets get a top PF in the draft. It is Low Risk. Throw in a 2nd round draft pick.

Yes, I was also one of those people who wanted Big Baby in 07. (After seeing the SWAT videos, though, we ALL were on board with SWAT). I can’t believe Davis fell to the 2nd round. The concern was and still is that in a few years he will be having problems with mobility/knees. However, for now, he would fill a need and he would get plenty of playing time.

Here is the Miami Herald article about Boozer from yesterday:

http://www.miamiherald.com/594/story/1149794.html

What Boozer wants is immaterial to the Jazz.

This weekend, Riley was quoted as saying he was only “monitoring” the situation in Utah, meaning the Heat’s interest is limited…So Boozer may be trying to get things moving. (Maybe he knows he is going somewhere else, to a lottery team that plays not in the sun, but in a swamp.)

If Boozer was that valuable he wouldn’t still be available… Nets fans; “Waiting is the hardest part”…

Ok Im done

We need a rebounder and another scorer down low. Boozer could be that. I think giving Dooling or Hayes to Boston just strengthens there bench. We should keep both of those guys and not make Boston a deeper team.

@ Mike

Out of the 3 ways to get a star player, trade, draft or FA, I believe the best way for us is through the draft. I don’t think our owner will spend so forget a FA. It’s unlikely that a star will be available via a trade at the level of say KG and if a player at that level was available, while I have faith in Thorn to pull it off, I don’t think we have the chips or the $ to pay for that type of star. So that leaves the draft. Cheap quality talent. It’s worked before even for us with K-Mart and I’m guessing it’s the most common way to turn around fast. With Lopez and DH alone all we need is a star PF and we’re on our way. Personally I think Swats the man but he’s a risk, the team doesn’t see it that way and I think he wants out.

Swats a complete head case. I love his talent and I hope he gets it together, I do agree he can be an impact player if he maximizes his ability. But we sent him down to Dleague and he basically embarassed himself and the Dleague coach wanted him gone. He was probably the single most talented player in the entire Dleague and his team could not wait to be rid of him. Thats saying something.

Even though people want instant gratification, the draft is the best way to go. Unless a Garnett or Gasol fall into our laps we should wait and keep all our assets. I want to win the championship, not just get into the playoffs. Being a Net fan now and always has been all or nothing. I rather go for all then finish, like we always have, with nothing. Baby or Boozer are not the answer. They are fools gold.

@libigman
GM’s will tell you trades are the best way, then free agency and draft third. It makes sense. With trades, you go for the player you want, without many restrictions. Only a limited number of players are available each year in free agency and draft picks are kids who take time to develop.

@ Chris2

Don’t you think that a players ability and makeup are seperate to some extent. While Swat is immature and a pot head, its doesn’t get in the way of his b-ball talent. IMO he “checked out” when Kidd got traded and before last year started, he was out of the rotation and playing out of position. By the time he was sent to the D-league he was in rebel mode. He reminds me of Rodman or even Bird man. I don’t think our coach could handle a player like him let alone how to utilize his talent.

I agree with Andy, that if Nets are going to spend money at this time, I would rather see Ike Diogu than Big Baby.
However, Big Baby has proven determination, whereas Diogu is still a question mark – that’s why there is more interest in Davis.
The other factor is Nets have some players Boston would take in a S&T, whereas I don’t know who Sacramento will take now that they are signing May.

In any acquisition, Nets have to keep roster at 15.

@ Net Income

I agree in general that trades are the best way but we have to consider the Nets situation specifically. Do we have the desire or ability to spend big $ otherwise, for the Nets it’s the draft. Look at the good teams now. Howard, Lebron, Yao, Dirk, Duncan, Amare, Wade, Pierce all drafted. Sure it can be done by trade or FA and picks could take time to develop but the really top picks usually develop fast and getting back to the Nets, we have good pieces in place for a star pick to develop while we could succeed right away. I think our situation is similar to the Spurs when they got Duncan with Robinson. The only problem is Lopez might be too good to keep us at the very bottom so the pick might not be as high and that will force us to spend for what we need.

@ Net Income; Would you rather have Glen Davis/Boozer or the # 1-5 pick in next years draft?

I don’t understand how Nets could be in running for Big Baby but never may a bid for Brandon Bass, who signed with Orlando for just 18 million/4 years.
Is it that Thorn was just determined to sit out the first couple of weeks of free agency? or is the public interest in Big Baby just a “bluff” to get Utah to make a decision.

@Mike
If Nets don’t get a respectable PF, there may not be much of a fan base left to take to Brooklyn, which would make it harder to sell the club next year.

Even with a PF, they will probably get a #6-#15 pick, but would be in a position to sign a top FA (probably a SF), which wouldn’t be possible if they “tank” the season. They could also combine their two #1 picks if there was someone in the top 5 they really wanted.

It simply amazin to me how so many fans think that NBA players and agents view a team as favorable or not depending on it’s record and so call playoff chances. Money and location are what really matters. A player worth his salt will make his team better, not just add icing to the cake. I would not want a player if he though that he was the last piece of the puzzle. I want a player who solves the puzzle. If Lebron is the player he thinks he is he should come to NJ and prove it. Otherwise sign with the Kobe and the Lakers.

@libigman

I do think a player’s ability and makeup are seperate, but I also feel that a player’s makeup plays a big role in that player’s ability to work on his game, to improve, and to play smart and play hard consistently. Swat is talented, but its in terms of raw athleticm and his one elite skill – shot blocking. He has got a lot of holes in his game. On offense he cannot hit an open jump shot and he has no back to the basket game to speak of. When JKidd was throwing him alleyoops he looked good, now he looks out of place on that end. On defense, he is an average rebounder and misses his assignments much too often. The shot blocking/changing of shots can be powerful in and of itself but he doesnt always do it when he is in. I think its a motivation problem; he certainly as the ability to be a terror on that end if he put his mind to it. I’m not sure if he loves the game. There have been head cases that have successded, guys like Rodman and Rasheed Wallace. But as erratic as their personal lives and behaviors were, they both loved basketball and were competitive as hell. I dont see that in Swat. I see more Eddie Griffin than Rodman. I hope he has a much better fate than Eddie. He needs someone like a Larry Brown or a Phil Jackson to really challenge him and play some jedi mind tricks on him. I dont think he succeeds under Frank, or to be fair, the vast majority of head coaches in the league.

There are some people who believe Nets can be contenders by avoiding expensive (8-11 million/year) players like Boozer, by “tanking” the year just to get a #1-#5 pick.

Can anyone name a championship quality team without a veteran like a Boozer (age 31 in 2012 season)?

The only time a club became a contender after getting a #1 pick was when it was combined with a top player being injured the year before :

1. San Antonio dropped after Robinson was injured and the following year they had both Robinson and Duncan.
2. When Heat had both DWade (and Shaq) injured for much of year, they improved by over 30 games last year after also doing well in draft.

Conclusion:
1. Draft alone won’t do it.
2. Without a star level veteran or two, in early 30s, there is no past precedence for the Nets to have a championship level team during the next few years.

Where did Duncan, Robinson, Shaq, and Wade and Lebron and Bird and Magic and Jordan come from? Santa Claus?

Lopez
Davis
Williams
Lee
Harris

seems not bad…

get Davis, we need him.

@ Chris2

Swat might have holes in his game but the team has holes and he has the ability to fill the biggest hole as a team, our inability to defend at the PF. I don’t worry about his offense. It’s hard to be a defensive presence when you play out of position and sporadically. That’s why you don’t see consistency from him. Although he has that laid back attitude he also has the ability to intimidate. I agree with the motivation problem but between his immaturity and the feeling he has of being under appreciated (this was before he started acting out) I believe that could change with his role on the team. Bottom line is imo he is just what we need.

we could’ve gotten 2 rotation players if we traded the pick for the lakers 1st rd and lower 2nd rd picks…rudy fernandez, wilson chandler, carl landry, big baby, marc gasol…