Nets Deny Offering Harris for 2nd Pick...Carter for Wallace Is Unlikely

This better be a very belated April Fool’s Day joke. A young, up and coming, boderline All-Star for the 2nd pick in what most feel will be a weak draft??? Only the Nets!

HUH?

If the Nets do this I will not buy tickets to a single game this year. Period.

You have to be kidding!
Trade a proven star who is only going to get better, for someone who is unknown?

Rubio would cost an additional 7 million I understand and isn’t guaranteed to come to NBA this year. Then Nets could then take someone like Hansbrough with the #11 pick.

The alternative would be to take Jordan Hill, about whom there are some doubts, and then take one of the available point guards with the #11 pick.

Even if this doesn’t happen, it is an insult to Harris and a sign that the Nets are not planning to compete for a few years!

y would they offer harris for the second pick and not the first so they could get griffin?

Wow! I think this has to be for Rubio.

I would do it. I don’t think Devin is a winning player.

El Stupido.
 

Wait, and then we can trade Vince for the 5th pick and Brook for the 3rd pick!? Yippy!

This is just a way to get sports fans to stay interested in a particular website by creating rumors..I highly doubt this is true…Now with that being said lets assume it is true and they draft Rubio and do no other trades happen

Rubio
VC
? #11 pick
YI
Brook

could this team win more than 34 games?

I would think that this is a guy who heard something about the Nets offering Harris for a pick and drew his own conclusions. The only way the Nets trade Harris is if they end up with Griffin.

Its reasonable to think that the Nets and Clippers have discussed a deal, possibly with the Nets getting “stuck” with Baron Davis as well in order to get Griffin.

We also need to remember that Harris is a BYC player so he will be difficult to trade unless it is a multi-player deal or it involves a team under the cap.

Moose

Maybe it is a bluff to get teams after the Nets to believe that they will be taking a point guard with the #11 pick, unless they make a deal with the Nets.

I won’t watch the Nets this year if they essentially “sell off” the team. Selling Vince would be the next move.

Maybe their goal is to be the worst team in the NBA so that they would likely get the #1 pick next year. No way any good free agent would come to the Nets then.

The writer makes it seems like the Grizzles have to ponder over it, when we already know that Rubio has refused to play for Memphis.

If we did both trades we will go 0-82 next season.

The wording on the Memphis story is ambiguous. The wording on the Cleveland story is less so.

This is just embarassing.

It’s become so pathetic to be a Nets fan over the past few years. If these trades hold any weight than I’m out.

We’re going to be the Timberwolves!

No chance the DH for #2 rumor is true. You don’t trade an all star and potentially franchise PG on one of the most generous contracts in the league for a draft pick, and I’m fairly certain Rod Thorn knows this as well.

I’m hoping the rumored VC to Cavs deal is false as well. The Nets have to get something for VC, at least a young player or pick (JJ Hickson?). And as a VC fan, I don’t particularly want to see him playing in Cleveland next to Prince James…

Harris and VC are the last players the Nets should be considering for a trade. BTW, Ben Wallace shoots even worse from the free-throw line than Josh Boone and Sean Williams combined. Once again, another trade that is not worth getting. Just let them play out their contracts until any of them expires then decide if they are worth trading or not otherwise just keep them.

I don’t think any of these players are worth DH. Rubio is the closest, but it would be a huge risk. There would have to be more from the Grizzlies end of the deal.

I still don’t think this rumor has any legs to it, but I would think if such a deal went down, the Nets would make additional moves to get younger players, OR to get far enough under the cap to make a serious offer to Milsap/Boozer.

Its embarrassing to have our team linked to some of these disgraceful rumors.

Carter for a cap dump w/ no prospects in return?

Harris for an unproven #2

I think this is a load of b.s. but if this does come true i’ll have fun the next time Yormark’s boys call my phone or email me asking me to purchase one of their ticket packages for 30 cents on the dollar.

Devin can selfish, needs to play better defense, and is highly injury prone. That being said, he still a 26 year-old all-star and worth more than the #2 pick in a weak draft

Its good to hear that we are considering…EVERYTHING to improve this team, as we should…everything except trading BLo I’m ok with.

Ben Wallace is retiring and looking for a buyout. He makes $14 million next year. Assuming a buyout equal to 70% of his salary, around the normal number, he would get about $9.8 million, saving the Nets $4.2 million there. Pavlovic has one year at $4.75 million, of which only $1.5 million is guaranteed. So the Nets would owe the two of them $11.3 million, compared to the $16.123 million owed Carter, a savings this year of around $5 million. Over the course of the next three years, the Nets would save $26.34 million since Carter is owed $16.123 million this year, $17.518 next year and a guaranteed $4 million in 2010-11.

Assuming the Nets made other roster moves, a Carter-for- Wallace/Pavlovic deal would put the Nets under the cap this year, permitting them to sign a free agent.

I do not believe AT ALL any rumors about Harris, period.

The Harris deal makes sense with the Nets wanting to go international. If they do make the deal. It HAS to be for Rubio. Basically, the Nets traded Marbury for Rubio when it comes down to it.

Rubio is apparently a big, true PG, which Harris isn’t.

If they make that deal, I could see them moving VC as well. The Wizards deal and the fifth pick is MUCH better than the awful Cavs deal.

Both of these trades especially the Harris trade would be extremely IDIOTIC for the Nets Management to even consider!

If only $1.5 mil of that Pavlovic contract is guaranteed could we essentially cut him after obtaining him, paying him only that amount?

I think all Ratner cares about is being good in 2011 or whenever (if ever) he moves to Brooklyn. He probably wants to stink, get high picks, and save $$ undil Brooklyn happens.

If Carter is dealt for nothing, Ratner saves a lot of $$. Yes we could sign a free agent, but wont…

As for Harris for Rubio.. on RealGM Boards, people throw out a Harris for Rubio and Gay deal (not rumored just wished for). That would be good. Personally, I believe Harris is at a peak in value and trading him wouldnt be a bad thing 9for the right player).

Netted made a real nice point on the message board that actually makes the deal sound alright:

Harris + Simmons for #2 + Darko

Gives the Nets a $12.1 million trade exception and many options. Can draft Rubio #2 and Terrence Williams at #11. TE plus picks for Josh Smith or Boozer.

Rubio/Dooling
Carter/CDR
Williams/Hayes
Smith/Anderson/Yi
Lopez/Milicic

You get a past first point guard in Rubio, a scoring threat like Smith, the 11th pick to pick up Twill for D….

a pure point guard, some nice defense, passing, and rebounding from the 3 in Twill, and filling up the 4 with Josh Smith…

sounds real nice…

this is BS no way the Nets do that…..maybe they talked about it hypothetically but how would you trade an All Star for a draft pick? unless it’s #1

I know it’s just a rumor, but…

Let’s say you are trying to sell a product. Which, for all intents and purposes NBA owners are. Who would be a better spokesman for your product, Harris or Rubio? The answer would have to be Rubio hands down, right? He is young and an internationally known star. He, with all the hype that has been surrounding him in these moments before the draft, is what marketing is all about. Oh, and he seems like he’s a heck of a basketball player too.

The Harris Trade is not happening. The bulls trade is an excellent idea IMO, especially with this type of draft.

but…i think it would also be nice to give our team an extra year as is with additions to see how this “gelling” comes along.

ill tell u this.. i just purchased half a season tickets, and if they trade harris for garbage or VC for garbage, ima sell every game… if they want to through away our team… just let me kno… and ill stop following them

I advocated the DH deal earlier in the week. As Dirt says, a) Harris’s game makes him injury prone, b) his D disappeared, c) Rubio is more marketable locally. Rubio is very similar to JKidd when JKidd came into the league. I think DH’s value will never be higher than it is right now.

I wd not do the VC trade although I understand the financial issues. I think they’ll get better value at the trade deadline or use him next year in a sign and trade.

The only thing dumber than making the Devin offer would be the Grizz turning it down and then getting into a battle of wills with Rubio. The VC stuff is alarming in that it would be a straight salary dump. If so, we might as well move back to Piscataway.

These strike me as unfounded rumors, but there are too many of the VC salary dump ones to discount them totally. Perhaps we will be doing more tearing down than rebuilding. Say what you want about Vince, but we are a much worse team without him.

i think the cavs – nets trade might happen
vc is the best they can get to lower the burden off LBJ
and at the end of season and the playoffs this game improves alot

personally i want carter in the cavs with james
its what the cavs need to win a championship

also carter has had a good career and deserves a championship ring

carter has never had the support of a superstar caliber forward or center+ he gets to be trained by a very good coach, so vc going to cavs would improve his game also

so i really hope carter goes to the cavs and teams with lebron

ARE THEY CRAZEEEEEE NOOOOO!!! neither trades should happen or else we’ll be the new Thunder or worse.

The nets should get rid of carter if they can. It’s easy as a fan to complain about it but someone has to write the checks. They are bleeding money, rebuilding, and trying to clear cap space for the future.

Trading carter helps all of these areas. A straight dump would be heart breaking, but if they could trade carter for a combination of picks and cap relief the nets have to seriously consider it.

Besides, even if they win games New Jersey doesnt know how to support their team anyway. This organization cares about one thing right now, getting to brooklyn. That is and should be their main focus.

the worst possible idea

Netsfan

Whats the worst possible idea.

why not just give away the team then lose even more money next year? the nets should move to seattle instead of doing this trade.

Guys we are getting all upset about deals that probably will never happen. Its 6 days till the draft. This is the superbowl for basketball writers. You guys are getting worked up about some write from Memphis and yahoo.

If Nets offered that deal – and Memphis turned it down and end up with Thabeet they are out of their minds.

If the Nets did a straight salary dump with Cleveland they would sell 5 more ticket packages next season. And have no marketable superstar for Brooklyn.

I don’t think either of these deals are happening. Lots of smoke. Lots of talk. I bet if anything we pick at 11 and thats all folks. Or worse we trade the 11th pick for cash considerations.

This is total BS…the Nets would not trade the face of their franchise and their all-star for the 2nd pick where they wouldn’t get anyopne near Harris’ caliber.

Yeah, What Ryan said.

The nets organization obviously show they careless about the fans in nj if they dump the upcoming season away with bad trades. Why cant they let a team play together for more then 2 years. This would be the 3rd consecutive year with a totally different lineup. I truly believe all this cap space freeing is 4 brooklyn, nets dont want 2 win this season they want lebron in da summer of 2010.

If you had to believe one, the cleveland deal would be the choice just by the Nets off-season marketing.

Carter has begun to be cut from alot of the web site advertising and ticket promotions on the site. Not saying that it is a definite but you would not want to market someone on a team that may not be here come next week or the end of July. Devin has been all over not just the web site but he has done many public events for the nets and his foundation.

Brook and YI(ugh) has as well been used on the site with marketing as well. I see vince has the twitter icon as his advertising but besides when the players scroll at the top of the screen, he is not as marketed as the other three.

If the Nets could try to get Rudy Gay from that deal for the Number 2, I would have to consider but I just think it is rumors to help either the Nets or Grizzles gain leverage over situations in this draft.

Maybe the Grizzles are trying to get the Knicks to fold at the sight of rubio playing in Jersey and Maybe Brooklyn instead of the Garden. The Knicks might than over do it in a trade to get Rubio.

I truly do feel that Harris is in the starting lineup opening night for the Nets. Carter, wait and see.

If the Nets trade Carter, it should be this:

Nets get:
Mike Miller
Brad Miller

1. pick
2. pick
3. pick

Wolves get:
Vince Carter
Josh Boone
Sean Williams

1. pick

Bulls get:
Brian Cardinal
Trenton Hassell
Yi Jianlian

1. pick

This works for all teams.

The Wolves get a veteran leader that can drastically improve their young team. Plus, they get a draft pick. They can get the starting PG they really need with the #11 pick. Also, they get a backup center that they were missing in Boone. They currently have 5 picks in this draft: #6, #18, 28, #45, and #47. I’m sure they were going to trade at least some of those.

The Nets get rid of Vince Carter’s contract for two expiring contracts. Also, they get rid of Williams and Boone, who they were planning on anyways. Plus, they pick up Miller, who they failed to get at the trade deadline. With the picks, they can draft the players that they are really high on. James Harden, Jordan Hill, Tyreke Evans, Jrue Holliday, or Stephen Curry with the # 6. Ty Lawson with the #16 and Jodie Meeks with the #47.

The Bulls get 3 expiring contracts and enough cap space to re-sign Ben Gordon. Also, they get a defensively minded SF and a backup PF. Plus, they get Yi, a player who could develop, giving them the option to trade Tyrus Thomas. Also, they can use Yi for marketing purposes for the huge Asian population in Chicago. Plus, they move down only 2 spots in the draft and this probably wouldn’t hurt their draft plans.

Nets lineup:
Harris / Lawson
Dooling / CDR / Meeks
M. Miller / Hayes / Simmons
Hill / Anderson
Lopez / B. Miller

A lineup for a Post-VC team in rebuilding mode with the ability to sign a free agent could look like…

Harris
CDR
T-Will
Glen Davis
Lopez

or…
Harris
CDR
Marvin Williams
Hansbrough
Lopez

i’d actually do the harris trade and keep carter if they were to get jordan hill and ty lawson

2010 lineup:

PG – lawson
SG – carter
SF – LEBRON
PF – hill
C – lopez

I am not a huge harris fan, i dont think his style is conducive to winning but I think trading him for the 2nd pick is robbery in favor of the grizz.

I would think the nets would want more back.

NO NO NO NO NO Don’t send Devin anywhere. R U guys nuts?

@aasheet

I’m sure you are a good person, but as a fan you annoy the jams out of me. You want one of the best players currently on our team, to be traded for nothing so he can win a championship elsewhere? Just Stop!!

Carter is a net, he wants to be a net, sure he wants to win a championship but you gotta want to keep the good around if you are really a nets fan.

Its the NBA, not some magical land where every player who is nice and puts up good numbers wins a title in the end.

I don’t like any deals that will make us worse… like straight up salary dump. I really would stop being a Nets fan if that happened.

I don’t mind trading our players if it will make us better. Although I like Harris’s game, and what he has done for us since he became a Net, I wont mind trading him if it helps us the team. I also agree with some of you that Harris has reached his peak, I don’t think he’ll ever surpass Chris Paul, or Derron Williams, and Rose is quickly catching up to Devin’s position.

If it’s a straight up trade with Memphis for the #2, I would say hell no. But if other players are involved I don’t mind. Like Darko, Gay, and the #2 for harris. This will give us a quality player in Gay, a decent pick to draft the bpa, and a expiring contract that will give us cap room to sign other players or make big trades.

There is still a week left til the draft, a lot of things can happen. This rumor has no substance to it, so I doubt it will happen. But like I said before… I have a feeling we will do something regarding our pick.

@ Mr Dollar Bills

“Its embarrassing to have our team linked to some of these disgraceful rumors.

Carter for a cap dump w/ no prospects in return?

Harris for an unproven #2

I think this is a load of b.s. but if this does come true i’ll have fun the next time Yormark’s boys call my phone or email me asking me to purchase one of their ticket packages for 30 cents on the dollar."

I 100% agree with you.
If they something like this, Ill be done with the RAT, and I wont spend a penny of my hard earned money on anything whose purchase would make my money go to THE RATS pocket.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

This organization is a JOKE.

btw I find laughable giving any importance to the fact that a deal with the Cavs would put us under the cap this year. Thats pointless.

If we do this, itll be because THE MISERABLE RAT wants to save money, they aint spending a buck in any FA this summer.

I doubt any of this happens. All rumors at this point. If it does happen I’ll get epicly pissed, but until it does or I get some shred of evidence it could happen, I refuse to get mad

This is becoming like Charles Barkley draft pick, funny & very entertaining. They are trying to get rid of all the good one so Yi can prosper, for sure he’ll be the Go to Guy, the others will just screen and he can shoot anywhere and everytime he is free. And of course General Tsao will be very happy.

I find it hard to believe that the Nets will salary dump Vince and then magically break open the check book for free agents that will want more than the MLE this summer….what???

If they take HUGE steps backwards due to Ratner’s own greed coming to bite him on the backside with this franchise and his corporate welfare project in Brooklyn bleeding his company to death, I’m sorry but I won’t spend a dime on this team unless they come under new ownership, and I have gone out to support this team every year win or lose but that was with the impression that they are trying to build a solid foundation…rumors about Harris getting traded for Rubio straight up and Carter getting salary dumped is not what I call trying to build a solid foundation(if they prove to be true). Being a fan is one thing, I love the Nets but you’d be a fool to support a franchise whose ownership could care less about the product they put on the floor

The Goal of rebuilding is to bring a better roster to the floor each season from the starting date of rebuilding. These rumored moves put this franchise back 2 years or better because no big name FA in their right mind will come to a team in a)limbo b)with a garbage roster c)whose ownership could care less about winning.

You only trade Devin for the 1st pick. I have no problem with trading VC, its time. While were at it Sean, Booby and Josh need to be jettison out of here.

Are you kiddin’ me?!!!!
Although I have to say that I was equally stunned when someone emailed me last summer, while I was enjoying myself in Florence, Italy, to say “Yi for RJ. I repeat: Yi for RJ.” I was sure he was joking. Later, I came to understand the financial implication…as well as the MARKETING implications. Well, that hasn’t panned out so well for the Nets, so why would Rubio be a good idea for marketing purposes? If you’re solely interested in marketing, take the Israeli guy in the draft. Even the Liberty sold lots of tickets (by their standards) when their Israeli player debuted.
And why is anyone on this site counting on getting LBJ in 2010? There’s a chance, but we won’t be in Brooklyn yet and I don’t see him playing in the swamp – unless he wants to prove to the world that he can sell out any venue, no matter how bad, no matter how inconvenient!

What if, hypothetically, via trade Devin Harris could turn into Mike Conley Jr. and James Harden? Would that be worth the trade? Conley Jr. and Jordan Hill? You could still draft a player like Terrence Williams at 11.

It seems that it would almost be worth it if you ask me. If you could walk out of the draft with great glue guys like James Harden, Terrence Williams, or Jordan Hill you can see what you can make out of a VC salary dump, and test free agency for a cheap piece to add and grow with your new young core.

I mean, if you’re going to rebuild, do it and do without remorse!

“Don’t know who is going to come here if you have all these young guys and no really established players, but that’s what this off-season is about.”

Al that in his latest blog article and this is my same line of thinking: WHO do you expect to come here if the roster isn’t significantly improved between now and the summer of 2010?

The Nets need to use the pick to either take BPA, trade it in a deal to improve the roster, and try and make a move for one of the Power forwards that are on the market. This stuff about salary dumps and trading Harris away for anything less than Blake Griffith is either creative writing or the Nets brass are trying to blow smoke

Okay, I’m going to take it even further…okay a lot further and milk this “weak draft” for all it’s worth, and do a little roster thingy…

PG
Conley Jr.
Dooling
Patty Mills (2nd Rnd. Pick for Boone)

SG
CDR
Harden
(or vice versa)

SF
T. Williams
Jarvis Hayes

PF
Glen Davis (why not, right?)
Ryan Anderson
Yi

Center
Lopez
Garret Siler (2nd round pick for Najera or S. Williams)

Wasn’t there some talk about Ben Wallace retireing?

Oh he’s definitely retiring if he gets traded here.

why on earth do these rumors exsist? they don’t even make our team better
i think ou team could make a move to start winning now, there is no guarantee that our team will be able to wi in the not to far future with all these young pieces without veterean leadership…the nba is not a video game, you need veterans

I look at it this way. Imo we had the best backcourt in the NBA last year and won 34 games. B-Ball is won with d and d is best supplied by big men. We couldn’t play d cuz of our forwards. We have a good center but he was a rookie and had no help. We probably don’t want to spend money so the best way to get what we need is by trading assets that are valuable or draft to get what we need. I won’t say what I would do but will say that trading either or both guards for big men or cap space (which gives us money to get a big man) is the right way to go.

i do the harris rubio deal in a heartbeat.

i would do d haris for kevin love, they want to give up love for rubio ,so make a 3 team trade ,,,we could add a foward or 2 of we get back a pick or 2, but LOPEZ LOVE UP FRONT,WITH YI OR ANDERSON AT THE 3,BOONE SWAT DEFENSIVE REPLACEMENTS, WE WOULD OWN THE BOARDS AND HARIS 8 MIL CONTRACT WOULD BE OFF OUR BOOKS, I KNOW LOVE IS 6-10 VERY GOOD PLAYER WHO COULD BE A STAR, I DONT KNOW WHAT RUBIO IS, BENELLI?SERGIO RODRIGUES? WILL HE EVER BE BETTER THAN THE TORONTO P.G? I LIKE HARIS BUT HE HAS NO OUTSIDE SHOT, PLAYED BAD DEFENSE THIS YR, AND HE AND VINCE FOR ALL THERE SCORING GOT US 34 WINS 2 YEARS IN A ROW IN A VERY BAD CONFERENSE,,, I BREAK THE BANK FOR GRIFIN I GIVE HARIS OUR PICK SIMONS EXPIRING DEAL, FOR GRIFIN AND BARON DAVIS,,,ALSO IM READY TO MOVE VINCE, IF THE CAVS GIVE US WALACE PAVLOCHI AND HICKSON I DO IT, IF THE ROCKETS GIVE US T MAC LANDRY OR A PICK I DO IT,ALWAYS TRADE A GUY A YR EARLY THAN LATE,, WE GOT RYAN ANDERSON , HARIS WHO WE COULD TRADE FOR THE 2ND OVERALL PICK ,AND DALLAS 2010 UNPROTECTED PICK FOR KIDD,AND SAVED 20 MIL, IF WE WAITED THIS YR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A STRAIGT SALARY DUMP OR MAYBE A LOW FIRST ROUNDED. VINCE CAN HELP 3 TEAMS, MAYBE 4 BUT THE SPURS HAVE CRAP, CAVS ROCKETS TRAILBLAZERS SPURS

THE MORE I READ AND THE MORE I REMEMBER THE DRAFT SUCKS THE WHOLE NCAA WAS 6 FT 6 PLAYERS AND NOONE STOOD OUT, DEROZEN AND CLARK I WOULD TAKE BECUASE THEY HAVE POTENTIAL TO BE GREAT, I WOULD TRADE OUR PICKS FOR 2010 PICKS WE HAVE OURS, DALLAS UNPROTECTED MAYBE THE WARRIORS,WE DONT HAVE MINUTES FOR ALL OUR YOUNG GUYS AND THE PICK WILL TAKE A FEW MIL IN CAP SPACE,, also i let jarvis hayes go, id rather see cdr ,anderson yi, at the 3 and dont forget we got najera and vince is best suited for the 3

Haha I love it. It’s mock trade MAYHEM!

First of all – trading Carter (as long as we could get some value or a ton of cap space) makes sense – we have gone absolutely nowhere with him unless you count getting to the Conference Semis in ‘07 (which was on Kidd and RJ’s backs anyway)

As for Harris, he simply isn’t as good as many of you make him about to be and the Nets realize that. He isn’t the future of this league, reality check – Rajon Rondo is nearly twice as good as this guy – he plays within a team concept and makes people better.

But the bigger picture is this: Ratner could care less about Vince or Devin much less any of us fans. Since 2004, the organization has had only one goal – steal their way to Brooklyn, winning has been of little to no consequence. We will now have another year of complete garbage and then either Ratner and Jay-Z will bring LeBron here or the team will continue to be horrendous for many years to come. THESE MY FRIENDS ARE THE FACTS.

I hope the VC—>Cavs deal goes down. It’s the only way we’ll get to see VC back in the ASG, seeing as how the Cleavland fans would surely appreciate the upgrade in leadership and ability from Mo Williams. And it would be amazing to see LBJ reinact VC’s through the legs dunk while taking the pass from the former champ himself!

no…this hopefully theres no truth to this, devin harris is gonna be a phenomenal player for us. WHy would we even consider that?

more times then none, these european players tnr out to be bust, devin harris is an ALL-STAR and one of the core bilding blocks of this team. Him adn brook lopez is what we need to suceed, carter is something im sure we can work out but devin harris shouldnt even a topic od dicussion…this is ridicolous…

vc playing with lebron would be amazing. MAKE IT HAPPEN

cavs should give us their pick as well

look… thank god the nets deny that… but i dont want to give up VC for CRAP… jesus ratner, if u did not have the money to back up a franchise you shouldnt of bought it in the first place, how i wish we had an owner who didnt care… everyone knows that owning a franchise just bout prestige than making money… even mark cuban said that, u goin into it knowing you are gonna lose money, but its just that title of owning a sports franchise…

GET RATNER out… forget everything else our problem is our owner!

XD

wow………. Now Emilio stealed the show with that

:P trade= rod thorn, lawrence frank for greeg popovich and mark cuban

but tell cuban to bring dirk along with him for a 1st round pick in 2015

:D wow i bet i could be world greatest GM in NBA comparing me to this guys

go Emilio go

danxcr – you are absolutely correct, Ratner is the main reason we have returned to be a laughingstock of the league. I have been saying this for 5 years now.

VC and Lebron can get you multiple championships.
How amusing to see a former Net that fans deeemed worthless winning a championship elsewhere again? Happened too many times.

Stevie Jackson comes to mind. Lost him for nothing because he was too close to Starbury. Two years later, he’s wearing a ring.

The Cavs need to do something big. I dont see a whole lot of potential on that roster.

“VC and Lebron can get you multiple championships.
How amusing to see a former Net that fans deeemed worthless winning a championship elsewhere again? Happened too many times.”

exactly. I find it absolutely foolish to see Nets fans saying “yeah, trade VC to the Cavs” and then in the same breath talk about Jay Z bring Lebron here….

what?

Based on what i have read from you guys, my analysis came down to this…

This game is about POTENTIAL and POTENTIAL and when they become great you don’t trade them, you keep them and you win, unless the management are cheap and don’t want to pay long term and you just end up trading again for potential (just like the Minnesota Twins). Now, teams wants potential and when a certain player became a great one, they are not forced to keep the player if the player is not what they’re looking for even if he showed greatness, it all comes down to how the management defines greatness. Now, for me, Harris is an allstar but not a superstar. He has the potential to become an allstar every year but never would become a superstar in this league and not even close.

Rubio, on the other hand, is a superstar potential player (and this is for those fans who doesn’t know him). Fans just tend to wash up the idea of getting an unknown player for their allstar player in return but why would you disagree if you don’t even know the player who you’re supposedly getting in return? What if this guy has that potential? what if it is true? what if he really becomes that player? then what? in the end, y’all just sour-grapin’ with could’ve been? should’ve been? would’ve been?

Let me tell you guys… Rubio is a complete player and Devin is not even close. Rubio can bring the Nets to the top year in and year out, he’s that type of player, he can make that impact every year. And Devin is all just speed and explosion, a player that would always become the highest pointer in one team but the team would never compete to the top. Do not get me wrong please, i also LIKE Devin and i was also excited to get him in replace of Kidd but i LOVE Rubio because he brings more to the table and B. Lo would benefit more if Rubio becomes he general.

I don’t like the guys here disagreeing to the rumor (if it’s true) just because they think the draf is weak. The draft may be weak but we look at the player not the whole draft, you single-out one superstar potential player and base it on that and see if he’s better not just basing it entirely on the whole draft. This upcoming draft may be weak but Rubio is not a weak potential. He is a special kid and he will bring us lots of luck and great times. Hope the rumor is true.

Don’t hate.

Surely the proposed deal isn’t for Ben Wallace straight up?! Please, someone tell me we can get something in return for VC if he must be traded and that the plan is for something more than a salary dump.

@Trenton

well i don’t live in new jersey , well i don’t even live in the USA
so i did not think in tht way

i was just saying tht
carter+lebron = best possibility

what do u say if both are a part of nets ??? :D

Trade VC to the Cavs for Hickson and Cap Filler. We can give them Sean if they want.

It serves 3 purposes:
1) Cuts salary which makes Ratner happy
2) Gets a young PF who has to be better than anyone we have
3) VC on the Cavs would probably make LeBron happy. that could keep him in Cleveland which means the Knicks would not get LeBron in 2010!

Doing a salary dump with VC where we get nothing back would equal an empty arena. We don’t have much to feel good about but VC shows leadership and puts up numbers that if they were gone would put us in a bad place to come up with points. Bring back the Secaucus 7.

any CAVS trade should include an unprotected 2011 pick. if lebron leaves them, that’s in the top 5!!

only harris deal i’d do:

harris/golden state pick

for

1. (rubio)/gay

Look…I’ve said it before and I will say it again:

CAP SPACE DOES NOT EQUAL A TOP FREE AGENT. IF VINCE IS TRADED FOR NOTHING ALL OF THE CAP SPACE IN THE WORLD WILL NOT PROMPT A FREE AGENT TO COME HERE WITHOUT A STRONG SUPPORTING CAST!!!

For the love of GOD, please trade Vince for something of remote value if you have to get rid of him. PLEASE.

Vince to the Cavs for retiring ben wallace and perhaps a 2050 2nd round pick!!!!!!!!

lol never seem a dumber front office

plz trade Rod Thorn and lawrence frank for mark cuban or larry bird and phil jackson or greg popovich

but im a VC fan so if this trades goes like that ill see my dream come true VC15 with a ring or 2.

i wanted him to win here but this Rod guy is greedy as hell

dont pay more to VC and trade him for Big Ben

XD rofl Lmao omG lol :D :P

Nets front office suck!

Since all of the proposed trades for VC don’t seem to help the Nets, I say that we’re better off keeping him instead.

Money! That’s what the Vince Carter trade is about, above and beyond anything else. Once that is understood, you have to make the best trade possible.

Would the team be better this year? No. Would it save them money and in turn free up some space in years to come, giving them more options? Yes! A thousand times over, yes. It’s all about saving money and giving yourself options to move with the ebb and flow industry.

The latest incarnation of the trade which I just saw on Hoopsworld.com, has not only Pavlovic, and [a possibly retiring] Big Ben, but JJ Hickson as well, with the Nets throwing someone else in the mix for the trade to work.

If the trade were to happen with JJ Hickson involved, you have a very good reason to pull the trigger.

Kerber reports it’s unlikely to happen.

People used to come out to see Vince Carter throw down crazy dunks. They didn’t come out to see him shoot 5-9 shooting threes, score 21 points, grab 5 boards and dish out 7 assists.

Sure, that is going to help your team very VERY much, but it’s not going to get people in the seats like his dunks used to.

trade vc instead. however vc wit rubio would b nice aleys all day

Keep VC there’s no point of trading him

Enough with this already. VC should be staying with the Nets rather than leaving. The fact that he still shows he can play good last season is a very good reason for keeping him. Also, most of the planned trades would just land the team either third rate players or those who are nothing but showboaters who get constant injuries. Believe me, because if he does get traded, it will come back to haunt them in making them wish it never happened in the first place.