Kiki and Rod: "Nothing Going On"...Period

Yes!
Maybe Vince will stay for the rest of THIS season.

Yes!!!!

cuz he will…people are freaking out…this was never going to happen…and if it does it will during the offseason not now…we are close to making the playoffs…what we will do is trade simmons and/or swift for a player an can help us get to the playoffs.

i just cant see this Spurs rumor to come true. VC has been praised by rod and kiki and if we were to trade vince i know rod can do MUCH MUCH better than the weak SA rumor. if we want to dump salary that ratners orders rod/kiki to do then that is fine, but ya cant tell the fans we dont plan on trading vince then trade him for a salary dump weak move.

teams are hoping we want to cut salary and are low balling for vince and they think that my taking his contract off our hands its a gigantic plus. while for the future of this team it would be better for him to come off the books, we can absolutely get good if not great value for this vince carter. his game and reputation has only increased his value, not decreased it to freakin roger mason (who i like, but not as the main player coming back for a guy like vc)

“Nothing going on with Vince Carter”

Does that mean there’s another deal in the works somewhere else?

VC should stay for this year. Although VC’s value might take a little hit in the offseason, I would definately shop him this offseason and try to see what we can get.

So did they or did they not offer him for Shawn Marion? If theres nothing going on with Vince, was that story completely bogus?

Great post xcalibur. All I can really say is thank God that this rumor isn’t true. I’ve been really mad all day and this rumor is one of the main reasons why. That trade is absolutely ridiculous. Mason has potential but he is no Vince Carter and for the Nets to have to cut three guys so that they could then go ahead and cut two more Spurs is just completely absurd. Who would they cut? Ok, Mo Ager. But then who? CDR? Sean Williams? Both have too much potential to be cut. I pray that this does not end up going down.

I am still frustrated, however, because I feel like Vince being traded in the near future is almost a certainty, regardless of what Kiki and Thorn have been saying. If it is true that the Nets so casually offered Carter for Marion, then it shows they have no problem unloading him at a moment’s notice. It’s true his salary would be nice to unload but honestly we can get a good free agent with Vince still on the team! How could the Spurs have Duncan, Carter, Ginobli, and Parker all at once? How do the Celtics have Garnett, Pierce, and Alan (yes, they took paycuts but still.) I just hope that IF Vince is traded that he is traded purely for BASKETBALL reasons and not this ridiculous cost cutting crap. Ratner is ridiculously ridiculously cheap and I would spit on him if I ever saw him walking down the street. If a trade like this were to go down it would be a massive betrayal to all of the Nets fans (and yes, we do exist). I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: cap space in 2010 does not automatically equal a big time free agent signing. Yes, it would be nice to be in the mix of contenders to get one, but all things point to like likes of Wade and LeBron staying right where they are.

@ KFramchise and Xcalibur

Listen, don’t get me wrong. I totally agree with u all. But we’re never going to get back equal value for VC. Now does that mean I love the trade to the Spurs? No. But his contract really hurts his trade value, not mentioning his age too. A Kidd like trade will not happen, because Kidd has the ability to play at a higher degree of basketball longer than Carter, and plus Cuban was drunk when he made that trade. If Roger Mason was a little bit younger, and George Hill had a little bit more potential, and the Spurs would HAVE to include draft picks in the deal, than I would have to definately consider it. But to trade VC for someone with the same amount of talent won’t be happening, so Kiki and Rod have to act smart and make the best deal that they hear from.

Oh thank God! That had to be the most ridiculous deal i’ve seen. VC is my favorite player and if he gets traded we should get something better in return.

Once Kiki supposed to say to this reporter? Yup, we are actively trying to trade Vince? No, he will lie and say he isnt in trade talks with Vince. Not saying he is being traded, but based on first the report about us offering VC for Marion, then the leak of the Spurs deal, its pretty clear they are at least talking to teams about trading Vince. We will have to wait and see. Just cause Kiki denies it doesnt mean its not true.

FREE CARTER……….

playing alongside HARRIS and one of the worst coaches in the league is just not right

Vince Carter + Spurs = my dream ..

Hooray!

@Jason
at least somebody understands.

Noone has anything to offer that would match the value that VC has had with us this season.

good to hear tha VC still has a chance of proving to the critics that he can lead a young team to the playoffs.

another trade in the works maybe?

it appears that nets probably have the worst fans

GOOD! VC MUST STAY,,,,TRADE FOR BUTLER!!! COME ON…SF WE NEED IT

Stop with this conspiracy theory.
If they say Yes, it is a yes.
If they say No, it is also a yes.
Everything can mean anything. If you are not sure, just stay there with the uncertainty.
It contributes to nothing when you rationalize everything you hear and read to be consistent with your belief.

I just don’t freaking know what’s going on, and I won’t assume this or that until things are clearer.

I would prefer that he would stay with the Nets rather than be traded. They lost too many good players after last season, and Vince Carter is all that they have left. Despite his age, he has shown that he still has it. I know that others will agrue with me that there is always Devin Harris and Brook Lopez, but they are still young and will need VC to guide them. If he does end up getting traded and the Nets starting doing horrible then I would like Rod Thorn and Kiki Vandeweghe to resign from the Nets for good because they have messed them up big time.

San Antonio… Get Carter!

I really do not understand the haterd towards VC coming from JK and RJ fans. I also do not understand why DD has always been writing negative, directly or indirectly through bogus rumors, about VC from the moment he joined Nets in 2004.

If there is a trade, it will not be rumored and out there for us to think about. It will just happen like most Thorn trades just happen. Spurs will have to get creative – but VC is not like Kidd or Amare or Wade or Lebron. He is not putting anyone over the top that I can see. Maybe the Cavs if they give up nothing – but if the spurs have to give up two rotation players and one of them their clutch 3 point man. It’s not a good deal for them.

If nothing happens: wow, all this speculation for nothing!

Thorn is not going to take a low ball deal for Carter unless the RAT tells him to start dumping salary

The Nets screw teams over in trades, not the other way around.

5 days. Less than 5 days Thorn. Do something! Get us Butler or open up cap space with VC. I like watching young players: get us Hill or some “fallen angel.”

That’s what it’s about, they are aiming for some upgrades defensively at the SF, so George Hill seems to fit the bill and the Nets offense really is Lopez and Harris. They can sign Marion next year or go after Boozer in the offseason for another addition, keep cap down for a big SG in 2010’

who starts these lies. They are lies or rumors? KiKi and Thorn should be truthfulto the fans.

@Jason

i dont expect to get equal value back for vince because of his age and contract, but i expect to get good quality back for him. i expect young players and picks. Hill fits the young player part, but SA picks are worth nothing because they are always a top 5 team and while Mason is nice he is not someone who can really help take this team into the future.

if we trade vince, we need pieces to help build for the future with devin and brook. Hill would fit the young mold, but mason just does nothing for me. i dont see him being useful on a rebuilding team that wants to be young and more athletic. i would have liked to get him as a FA to play with vince, but to me it makes to sense to trade vince FOR him.

i though when kidd said he wanted out that we would just take whatever we could and hope for a good pick. obviously we got a fantastic deal times 100.

do i think we can repeat that? no, but im not looking for that deal or no deal. i would like to get a young perimeter player who has upside and pics along with cap space obviously. there will be a team who will offer that.

hey, maybe in the summer or next trading deadline the blazers think they can make a push and maybe make a deal to get vince to play with roy,aldridge and oden. they got loads of talent and can get a guy like vince or amare easy.

at this point i see NO rush to trading vince. let him mentor the young guys for another couple of months. especially during this 2nd half of the year when 9 games outta 10 your playing someone who has playoff aspirations so the competition is tougher and the young guys will find that out.

if we want to make a salary dump then ok, but does it absolutely have to be NOW? it cant hurt to wait a couple more months, pay vince and take your time and analyze the best deal out there.

there will always be a market for a talent like vince. right now teams are trying to low ball us like they are doing us a favor by taking his contract off our hands. yeah in a way thats true, but we are not giving vince away.

didnt rod say he will trade kidd but we arent giving him away? i see no reason why to go away from that reasoning with vince. if a team wants him fine. make us your best offer if its good enough deal done, if not we’ll talk to ya in the summer. end of story

i wonder with Wallace’s recent time on the shelf after his hit by bynum if maybe he can be had for cheap. yeah im a big g-wallace fan. he was talked about earlier this year and then that was it. maybe with the recent moves the cats made they would be willing to trade him since they got vlad. (/dreamin)

Hooray!

I dread when the All-Star bread comes around. Ridiculous and frightening Nets trades are always the talk of the sports media.

Thank you Kiki.

@ R.M.

xcalibur followed up with another really good post and I don’t want to be repetitive but I don’t like how you implied that people don’t “understand.” I think Jason makes a great point and you are clearly in the same thinking camp so in many ways I agree with you. Getting back equal value for Vince is something that will be very hard. He has a bad, expensive contract and he is aging. His trade value will never be higher. I agree with all of that.

What I am strongly strongly STRONGLY against is A. trading him for the sake of trading him and B. trading him to do nothing more than to just dump salary. We do not need to dump salary. We have plenty of money on the books for 2010 and as a Nets fan every single day I bang my head against the wall because cap space does not equal signing a free agent and no matter how much money we have in 2010 there is no guarantee that someone will come here. It is better to make a trade that will help the team, not a trade just to get rid of his contract in the hopes maybe -just maybe – that money will someday help us sign someone.

My post was especially directed at the Spurs trade because I see that trade as absolutely positively horrible and the type of trade I would hate to see go down. It is horrible because we are trading Vince for guys who are not even close to equal value. Maybe you and some others think “well we won’t get equal value so let’s just dump contract.” But we can do better than that. If Kiki and Rod have made up their minds that he is gone – and I think they definitely have before they even know who they’re getting for him – then at least do better than Mason and Hill. I want to see Vince stay but if he is gone at least go for Caron Butler or even the Artest or Josh Howard trades. Just not this.

What makes this deal even worse is that we have to cut not one not two but THREE of our players before this deal can even go down and then we cut two of the guys who are coming to us, so what the heck is the point?

The bottom line is that most of us here are all Nets fans and hopefully we will see our team get better. I just hope that Rod and Kiki are smart if and when they trade Vince. Because this is not smart.

I do believe we have some Spurs fans on here today. Go away. Go write on your own fan sites.

I’m watching H-O-R-S-E on TNT and VC would’ve destroyed those guys. Should’ve been fun….

Don’t worry, VC is not going anywhere….

The thing people are discounting is that we could get cap space going into next offseason and the team may be targeting a particular guy. As far as trading Vince, if they trade him to the Spurs they are probably in love with George Hill. And they probably like Roger Mason as well. You can say you would rather have Josh Howard or Ron Artest but the thing about those guys is they are paid a lot of money. Getting one of those guys means not being able to get available free agent X, Y, or Z. Trading Vince for cheap young prospects means getting those guys for Vince as well as some free agent that we don’t know about right now. All it takes to build a championship team is 8 guys or so. No more than that will really play significant minutes. So if you believe you can get a top 5 guy or so in a trade, you should go for that rather than just try to collect names or draft picks.

Lamest game of Horse I’ve ever seen. Not only did they pick 3 bad players for it (ie no charisma or personality) and all 3 of them clearly weren’t trying at all. The worst part ZERO creativity. Every one of Durant’s shots was just a normal 3. Boring. There were some decent ones, but way too much normal shots or bank shots. Where were the lefty 3s or bounce the ball in from 3.

If I were they (whoever picked the guys) I would’ve gone VC, Kobe, Arenas.

@chris

Having the Cap is great, but you still need to have a team that show the fans that you care about winning and free agents want to come to this team. We are in Jersery a place that wont’ attract fans or FA. The Nets organzation has never attracted any top free agent. Harris and Lopez and Yi can be superstars but not this year. Those are Facts.

About Hill and Mason

We already have a premier PG in Harris, Hill will forever be a backup, I seriously doubt he can ever play SG in a starting line up. Also he needs to compete with Dooling for playing time.

Mason is a 11 point player in a Spur system that is loaded with premier players. His points are based on 3 point shots, we have Hayes, Yi, Dooling, Simmons taking 3. Mason game is not going to develop he is what he is.

Now looking at next year FA list, you have Kobe, Hedo Turk, Boozer. Really the only FA the team has a chance at is Hedo Turk, which I think will be great. But I believe trading VC to any team with Swif contract expiring. We can offer 10 million to Turk if the Nets want.

With this trade the Nets does not address a need for a small forward, we have not gotten rid of Simmons contract plus we will not improve our chances at the playoffs.

Hill, Mason for Carter does nothing for this franchise,
that’s the bottom line.

I just think Hill is Monta Ellis 2.0 with better D. I think he can play SG with his big wingspan. And I think the Nets make a run at some free agent, Boozer, Lee, Odom, Gordon, Turk, if they make this trade. They can get any one of those guys, if they are willing to put up the money. Thats another question if they are willing to do that. So if you talk about this potential trade I see it more as Hill, Mason and one of the aforementioned free agents for Carter. Which to me, is much better than Artest and Battier. Just remember Hill has not gotten the playing time of some other rookies out there. Just cause he doesnt have the sheer numbers of other guys don’t mean he doesnt have the ability.

nothing is going on…hmm not buying that

I would rather KIKI just say, “NO COMMENT”. Neither he or ROD should be talking to the press. They have a job to do this weekend, till Wednesday: THEY NEED TO MAKE US BETTER,
whatever that means. Whether they clear more cap room for next year, or 2010, or they bring in a SF or another decent guard. Certainly, they need to MOVE SEAN! GET GOING FELLAS, WE ARE COUNTING ON YOU!

@Kfranchise

Sorry, I didn’t mean to say that people don’t “understand”, I’m just merely agreeing with Jason, because I still believe that there’s no great trade or teams that have enough to provide what we need financial wise and value wise.

xcalibur makes a good point.
we don’t need to get equal value for Vince because that is almost impossible but if the Nets are still interested in going to go young for the future, than they need some young guys with potential to be someone in this league!!

Mason is having a really good year in Pop’s system, but out him in Frank’s system and have him as the sg it wouldn’t work. FRank’s system needs him to slash. He doesn’t do that.
He’s the guy who’ll be a spot up shooter, and is a piece that you’d want in the playoffs, not someone to build around.

Hill has some potential defensively, and his offense has shown signs of Harris/Parker, but again he’s a rookie. I’d be on the fence about this guy.

Also you make some nice points as well. IF they trade VC just because they need to get rid of his fat contract, or if they just want more cap space, than that’s like saying there giving up this season.

This trade will not go down, but there will be other heated trades.

If Rod and Kiki could make a trade for any good or even alright sf, than they would definitely have a good chance for competing for the 6th through 8th seed.

Harris and Lopez have potential to be franchise players for this organization.

BUt Vince right now is the cornerstone franchise and with him gone it might feel like an eternity waiting for 2010 which by then almost every other team will be under teh cap space.

I know that Rod and Kiki will make the right decision that will make both VC and Net fans happy.

Our young guys would be devastated if they lost Vince, He’s perfect for our group. They look up to him so much and he’s the main reason they are playing so well, so soon. I don’t want Artest here, If the Spurs are not giving up Ginobli, Mason and Hill. NO DEAL!!!! And if we don’t move to BK before 2010 no free agents are coming our way. You can take that to the bank

Make the trade! Trades are exciting!!

xcalibur and KFranchise made EXCELLENT points. I agree 100% w/ you guys.
Look, I would like to see VC retire a Net, BUT I could understand if they traded him for a really good package, this is a young exciting player and nice picks, along with cap space.
I mean, I could take guys like JR Smith, Eric Gordon, even Travis Outlaw or something like that, guys who can be considered BUILDING BLOCKS.
People keep talking about VCs contract, yet some of you seem to forget what the Sonics got for a 32 year old Ray Allen, who had 3 more years left in his contract, making $18m per year.
We can do better than Hill and Mason.

xcalibur and KFranchise made EXCELLENT points. I agree 100% w/ you guys.
Look, I would like to see VC retire a Net, BUT I could understand if they traded him for a really good package, this is a young exciting player and nice picks, along with cap space.
I mean, I could take guys like JR Smith, Eric Gordon, even Travis Outlaw or something like that, guys who can be considered BUILDING BLOCKS.
People keep talking about VCs contract, yet some of you seem to forget what the Sonics got for a 32 year old Ray Allen, who had 3 more years left in his contract, making $18m per year.
We can do better than Hill and Mason.

Some of you say we have to take anything for VC cause hes 32 and he makes a lot of money… OK. Odom is 30. Marion is 31. Turkoglu is 30. And you guys want us to believe dumping VC in order to sign one of those guys to a multi year contract is the answer? youre kidding right? Please.

First off, if they made that SA deal, this would be ALL about saving money, which would mean they wouldnt be spending big bucks ina ny FA in 2009. Dont fool yourselves.

No one, not even ONE of those 2009 FAs are better than VC.

I think Vince is gone. If Thorn is saying all of these teams are interested I think he’s waiting for the highest bidder. VC won’t have that type of value in the offseason. Th eteams that think they can win it this year are the ones that will make deals like Cuban did last year. Rod said too many things, like he’s had a lot of conversations to think he isn’t just waiting for the right deal. He’s playing poker and he’ll use his biggest piece to make the Nets better in the future. I think the only teams that has a chance to win it all with VC is the Spurs. But I’d have to get Ginobli back in return.

I don’t see going down any deal involving VC that would make this team better, short term or long term. I seriously can’t. And I doubt Rod makes a stupid trade, unless Ratner says its salary dump time. Say and believe what you want, VC aint going anywhere unless they are blown away (and those teams can’t offer anything that would blow them away) or unless the Rat wants to save money.

I just have a feeling we’re stuck with this overrated player who will burden our books for a few more years and slowly decline into a fade away shooter whose best days are behind him. Spurs don’t need him. Who can afford him? Is there a desperate team out there? Utah for Boozer, b/c I really don’t see Yi becoming a real PF.

@ john

Iverson is 34 ….

Kobe turing 31 this year…

what do you say about them? who says vince is slowing down? he is and has made the nets better… He made devin.. accept the fact now… and has helped brook gorw in confidence. He takes the opposition defense on himself so players like devin and brook can make plays and succeed… which world do u live in ?

Nets needed carter back in 2004… and till this date… he has only made the nets better… increased the franchise value….

You take carter out today, it will take you another 2 years atleast to rebuild and put some fans @ izod or wharever the nets play….

Trades are exciting ONLY when they benefit us! So far, none of these trades make sense what so ever. WE should build around Brook, Vince and Devin. As long as Vince doesn’t have any major injuries he should not lose much in terms of basketball ability. He is one of those few special players who rarely come around. Our big three now are different than our last big three because we finally have a BIG player in Brook, therefore, we can dominate in the middle and the outside as opposed to being just a perimeter team. Additionally, we finally have a bench again, similar to when we made the runs to the finals.