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Knicks' Zone Stymies Nets in Second Half

The Nets' winning streak was snapped when they couldn't sustain their momentum into the second half at Madison Square Garden Sunday afternoon, falling to the Knicks 106-97. The Knicks led by one early in the second quarter when the Nets took control with a 13-1 run sparked by Rafer Alston and Keyon Dooling. They led by eight at halftime, but with the Knicks playing zone for most of the second half, the Nets scored just 36 points in the final 24 minutes. Chris Douglas-Roberts led the Nets with 26 points on 12-19 shooting. Devin Harris and Brook Lopez combined for 29 points in the first half, but just nine in the second. The Nets shot 50 percent from the field for the game, but were outscored 28-12 from the free throw line.

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Larry Hughes 25 points…sooo saaaaaad :’((((((
i wanna cry

by MayLay on Dec 6, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

We cannot depend on Courtney Lee boys…I thought all the people said this is a new start?
3rd quarter nets are terrible, and Twill needs to benched and taught not to shoot when he cant!

by Randy Oreens on Dec 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

1) We can’t beat the zone if our life depended on it
2) Now that Dooling is back, we have to trade Alston asap. He doesn’t fit our team nor our style.
3) Someone has to teach Twill when and how to shoot a jump shot.
4) Where was Harris in the 2nd half?
5) CDR had an outstanding game. But I still don’t think he’s a starting 3 on a winning team. He’s going to be a great 6th man. He fits the mold.
6) The small lineup killed us with ragards to rebounding. I don’t mind having the small lineup as long as Alston and Harris aren’t on the court at the same time.

by ronnie on Dec 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Devin had a bad second hanl because he couldn’t drive to the basket due to the zone. Courtney Lee passed up so many open 3’s which Alston and Harris took. Brook needs to man up and rebound. Knicks had 14 offensive boards which is unacceptable. Overall this team is making progress. Get me Jarvis Hayes and Yi back and we will win some games. Also trade alston asap.

by Bruce on Dec 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

@ronnie
thats right. we will go 1-81 if every team uses zone against nets.

by MayLay on Dec 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

This was for me, the most frustrating game of the season. I found myself screaming at the TV…

Let me explain this, its really so simple. When Rafer Alston is in the game with Devin, they for some strange reason have Rafer run the point. When this happens, Brook’s easy buckets all but disappear since Rafer cant make entry passes. Then Devin becomes a 2 guard, which he is not, so he doesn’t drive as much, since he again, is out of position. Add to this that Rafer has a lifetime shooting % that I would probably shoot, the defense can just ignore him, doubling anyone else they choose.

Dooling was the spark offensively, he hit shots, AND got the cutting big men the ball.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dont the Nets coaches see this! There is a REASON he gets traded off of every team he is on! HE SUCKS!

by tim on Dec 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

We played hard and showed great effort but it stinks loosing to the knicks plus courtney lee was a no show.

by 1milord on Dec 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

Lol our lone win is so precious we considered it a “streak” to be broken

by muwu on Dec 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Im sorry I know this could make some people mad but Kiki lost that game for us. He will learn but I Blame him for today. I know keyon just came back but he could have played more then 4 mins straight. he was hot an when kiki took him out we start shooting bad. He should have put dooling in sooner in the 3rd. also kiki was sticking with T will to long. i know player develpoment is most important but he is taking to many stupid shots right now. Kiki needs to learn fast

by mike from nj 243 on Dec 6, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Lee 39 minutes 4 pts!!!! I guess the other day was just a fluke. Can twill dunk the ball? Or at least drive toward the basket! Ryan anderson over Lee any day!

by Kupalski on Dec 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

@ ronnie

I still dont see the logic in CDR will be a great 6th man….is he the ideal body for SF,no, has he been playing bad? no. Your best players start, and hes one of our best players hands down. Ive heard everything from he only scores from his left to he cant shoot, to he cant play with HArris as an argument of why he shouldnt start, but the reality is he was the ONLY person hitting outside shots again. He has a mid range jumper and while the 3 isnt his strongest point, he CAN make them.

by Boomdog on Dec 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

IMO, we were outcoached today. This was a winnable game that we gave away because we too busy giving PT to players who are struggling right now (TWill, among others) and not making adjustments in the second half. The zone defense the Knicks used had us totally confused, and we did nothing to counter them. They’re not a good team, but we let them have this one. Losses to the Knicks always sting more than most, and this one hurt. We still have a ways to go.

Lastly, I noticed Dell Harris drawing up plays during a timeout while Kiki stood around. What’s the point of Kiki being out there?

by MrT on Dec 6, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Fire Kiki!

and Del!

Re-Hire Frank!

Hollah!

by Shawn Carter on Dec 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Kiki is making Lawrence Frank look good. The Knicks went to the zone after the half and the Nets made no adjustments.

The micro ball makes me long for the days of small ball.

Lopez 38 minutes
Boone 21
Battie 0
S. Williams 0
Yi out
Najera out
Simmons 0
Hassell 16

So the Nets played 16 minutes of small ball (Hassell at PF) in addition to 21 minutes of micro ball (CDR, Williams or another guard at PF).

by pinetar on Dec 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

BL is the key player to us. IF you don’t get him involved enough, don’t mention a win.
The other promblem is we still don’t have good defence.

by Skaye on Dec 6, 2009 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

Kudos to netsdaily for hitting the thesaurus for “stymies”… I guess at 1-19, you gotta get really creative for saying we lost haha

by Yayy nets on Dec 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

BLo needs help out there. He and four guards won’t get it done. We’re gonna suck if all Kiki (I mean Dell Harris) focuses on is player development.

by MrT on Dec 6, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

I really want to know what the purpose of having Kiki coach the team is when Del Harris could have done it by himself. My guess is that after throwing Thorn’s guy, Frank under the bus Thorn setting Kiki up to fail. Too bad Swat lived up to his nickname and delayed the return of Kiki’s boy, Yi. I can’t wait for Kiki to go to Yi for offense while we’re getting hammered on D and on the boards. Del will quit or be coaching by the all-star break. The happiest guy on the Nets right now is Sean Williams and the best is yet to come for him. I could just imagine how satisfying it’s going to be for Sean watching Kiki deal with our historic bust. At least Frank could devise a plan of attack and had injuries as an excuse this year. What’s Kiki’s excuse going to be?

by Mr. Big on Dec 6, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Why was Kiki trying to develop Rafer again? XD

by ppoppa on Dec 6, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

@Mr. Big
Kiki has never coached in his life, Frank went 0-16 for us Kiki is 1-1 for us.
Are you joking right now…?

by Randy Oreens on Dec 6, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

What is it with the 4 point guard 1 center line up.

It seems we start out great every game then second half we go to small ball and give the game away.

Battie and Swat never got in the game , why. All game you had 6’10 knicks players posting up and outrebounding 6’5 Nets guards. Is this so hard to notice by our coaching staff?

by Dan the Fan on Dec 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

Incorrect assumptions based on the last game

The Nets would no longer play small ball
Trenton Hassell would no longer play
The Nets would not collapse in the 3rd qtr now that they have a REAL coach

(I mentioned the other night that it was only 1 game and that the other 2 teams that lost 17 in a row to start the season lost their next 4 or 5 games)

The bottom line is that the Nets need players that can knock down the 3. If not, the zone is the only strategy needed to stop our offense. Yi and Hayes will be welcome additions

by supreme on Dec 6, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

This team is still learning how to play individually and as a team.
Coaches are still learning players and players are still learning plays and players.
This will take time.
CDR is a starter period. Lee…… not so much!

by DJ HeavyDuty on Dec 6, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

We should have won that game. With CDR having the hot hand, why didn’t he have any shots for the last 5 minutes of the 4th qtr? Instead Harris missed a jumper, a 3, turned the ball over and fouled 2 shooters; and Alston missed (another) 2 layups. Why didn’t they feed CDR or Brook? Why was Alston subbing for Keyon in the 4th qtr at all? I feel this loss was due to timid coaching. Who will tell Devin to stop jacking up shots? Who will tell Rafer we need him to “bang his knee” up again and sit winnable games out? This is not player development. This is player ARRESTED development.

by Jeff on Dec 6, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

@ Shawn Carter – Mike Brown!

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Dec 6, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

There were a few stretches where Kiki actually had Alston, Harris, and Dooling on the floor at once. That seemed a little strange to me.

The need for a Power Forward that can score is sooo glaring. I dont think Yi is the answer either.. but at least he’ll help.

by pawley on Dec 6, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Pathetic!!!

by Dan the Fan on Dec 6, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

I forgot this game was on today!

by Tom on Dec 6, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

“The need for a Power Forward that can score is sooo glaring.”

Exactly.

Small ball didn’t necessarily kill us this game as much as the fact that we don’t have a 4 that can score on the block and draw attention from Lopez.

Yes, the zone turned into an ineffectual jump shooting team for the latter half of the game but I’m not convinced inserting one of our available 4’s would have made as much of a difference in this particular game. Would’ve been nice to see more of Dooling in the second half.

by Delacratic on Dec 6, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

@jeff,

Devin took 2 shots in the 3rd qtr and the Nets got outscored 33-18. That’s when they lost the game. Those desperation shots in the 4th didn’t mean much..

by supreme on Dec 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

I can’t wait for Chris Bosh to come calling because then Mike Brown (Cleveland) won’t be far behind and we can finally start a new chapter in Nets’ history.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Dec 6, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Fire Kiki: he has no idea how to run a d. He should have Hassel out there to slow Harrington and the shooters down. Has no clue how to attack a zone.

by geo on Dec 6, 2009 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

i didn’t see the game but only 5 shots for lee in 40 mins? also, t-will shoots like his season fg% is 9%!

by jirohkanzaki on Dec 6, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

"The need for a Power Forward that can score is sooo glaring."
  
Ike Diogu was a free agent. DeJuan Blair was a second round pick.

by Barry Popik on Dec 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

To all ya Frank Haters,
That was a TERRIBLY coached game.
Even in the 1st half. We should have been up by 20, the way the rest of the Knicks were playing.
Harrington abused Boone ALL NIGHT, while Williams and Battie were just feet away from DelKiki.
No adjustment to the Knicks halftime adjustment.
And all you that complained about “small ball” with Frank.
How’d ya like the 3 point guard formation for most of the 2nd half.
Nice. Rafer for president.
Long live Lawrence Frank.

by JRON on Dec 6, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

It was a nice game, but 2nd half, Hughes killed us and everytime he drives he get fouled. On the other side plenty of fouls not called specially on Brooks. There wer at least 2 fouls not called on Jeffries, that should have weakened the Knicks defense. Alston and Harris should not play together. I don’t like Alston too many stupid passes. the only reason why we lose we could not score third quarter and too many unforced error. Harris is Harris he will shoot that’s what he is expected to do.

by JuliusIrving on Dec 6, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Outrebounded 48-32 is pretty bad. You also can’t defend Harrington or Hughes with Alston, Harris, Lee or Dooling! You’re making it too easy for them! And CDR is not a PF! This is exactly where Ryan Anderson would have been perfect – playing the 4, getting boards and shooting 3s. Mediocre as Simmons is, even he would have been a better fit out there. He can shoot 3s and is at least big enough to get a hand in someone’s face. Poor roster, poor substitutions. I wonder who is responsible for that?

by mt57 on Dec 6, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

Lol at Frank lovers on here. Let’s be fair and give Kiki 6 years just like Frank got.

by Larry Brown on Dec 6, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

Whats with this Mike Brown crap I keep hearing on these baords!? He sucks! He lets Lebron go 1on5 for 7 years and you want him to coach!?

Mark Jackson
Patrick Ewing
Mike Fratello

in that order.

by Tim on Dec 6, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Why didn’t Boone play the PF after the 3:27 mark of the 3rd qtr.? Why didn’t Battie get off the bench? You know why the Knicks suck cuz their big can’t play D either. Our bigs shot over 76% but took only 13 shots. Their zone didn’t stop us. My mother could have devised a defense to stop us. 1 big and 4 guards cuz we have another bonehead coach who likes to go small. Once again we’re small and easily defended. Sure we had a matchup problem with Harrington but what you do is have Boone play off him to make him beat you with outside, low % shots and in the meantime he helps on D and the boards. Not only did this bonehead coach go small, he didn’t even play the turtles Simmons or Hassel which you can’t win with anyway at PF. Noooooo he went even smaller (MICRO BALL, good one Pinetar) with his guards. So what happens we get out rebounded 48-32, 15-7 on the offensive boards and we blow our half time lead. To the posters who see Kiki’s record at 1-1 and can’t see what’s coming or think Yi is going to be our answer, you’re delusional.

@ Mr. T

“What’s the point of Kiki being out there?”

The point is so Thorn can give Kiki the distinction of being the coach with the worst win % of all time cuz that’s what he’s going to get for messing with Frank. We might not win 5 games this year unless Kiki quits and that might be what Thorn wants.

by Mr. Big on Dec 6, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

Bad coaching. First half neither team plays d. But Knicks come out with a plan in the second half and stop the Nets. Nets have no plan. What was Kiki thinking? He did not have a way to get Lopez and Harris going in the second half and he couldn’t stop the Knicks. He played super small ball with CDR at the 4: ridiculous. And one thing I always admired Frank for: after timeouts, the plays were awesome. Not so today.

by geo on Dec 6, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Just watched the DVR and a couple thoughts…

1. Why the small ball? We got killed on the glass. Lopez must get exhausted being the only one in the paint.

2. Why no time-outs when adjustments needed to be made in the 3rd or 4th….especially in the final couple of minutes? We probably could have gotten much closer than 6.

3. Keep Alston off the court and trade him ASAP. Sign or trade for a 3rd string PG that can shoot ala Gabe Pruit, Travis Deiner, etc.

4. T.Will… must I put tweet this to you?!.. Stop taking outside shots.. attack, pass, rebound, defend.

5. I like Hassell’s D, but really if one of the vets is going to play, play Simmons.. at least he can shoot and has decent size.

6. I like Kiki.. he’s new, Del is trying to run the show, but I much prefer his presence on the side-line from a legitimacy standpoint. He simply looks and acts professional. He just needs some time, and could be a decent coach.

by Jack Handy on Dec 6, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Just like I said after the first game. it’s a small sample size to try to make any conclusions. Kiki never said he was a coach. That’s why they brought in Del Harris. And everybody was clamoring for Frank to be gone and now he’s gone.

I just don’t think this team is built the right way. They need a tough power forward that can be physical and has a nice offensive game. Brandon Bass would have fit us nicely. We need a dead eye 3 point shooter. We should have never let Eddie House get away. And we need a 6/8 swing man that can defend all over the court. Somebody like a Tayshaunn Prince.

All of this team’s talent is at the same position. Other than Brook, everybody is between 6-3 and 6-7 and none are realy physical or have dependable outside shooting. It’s going to be a long year no matter who’s coaching.. But I think I’ve said that before..

by supreme on Dec 6, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

Some posters think you need a large sample like 6 years and still can’t see a coach sucks. Some posters can’t see 3 guys other than Brook all over 6’8 play a total of 21 minutes today and think “everybody is between 6-3 and 6-7”. Some posters will write the same thing over and over but never see the problem. I wonder why posters think Kiki is coaching when he never said he was one. Maybe cuz Kiki thought he had the answers, like some of the posters and Thorn said put up or shut up.

by Mr. Big on Dec 6, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Folks I was at MSG today (the only Nets game I ever want to see played within NYC) and that one was fixed. THREE carrying violation on one team in an NBA game??? That phantom offensive foul called on Dooling when the defneder jumped into him as the Nets were rallying? I am not syaing we played well in the 2nd half – far from it, but it was quite apparent the officials were helping the Knicks to cover the spread. Sorry to say but this league feels more and more fixed every day.

by Isaac on Dec 6, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

LOL, Exactly.. Some posters DO say the same thing over and over. I’d say it’s an obsession. But hey that’s just me. As far as the other players on the Nets that were on the bench today. They’re bums! None of them would get any real playing time on a quality NBA team. If Battie were so good Orlando wouldn’t have gone out of their way to resign Gortat. If Swat were any good he wouldn’t have gotten kicked of a D league team. Not to mention not get in foul trouble anytime he’s on the floor. And Boone just isn’t that good. These guys are fringe NBA players and everybody knows it.. Well not everybody. The best players on the NJ Nets are Brook, Devin, CDR, CLee, Dooling, Hayes and Yi. Would Boone, Swat or Battie see any floor time on the Lakers, Magic, Celtics, Cavs? A realistic fan (not one in love) would know these guys are bums no matter “imo how many shots they can influence”..

by supreme on Dec 6, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

yi is made of delicate crystal

any small touch, even a wind blow and bang!!!

broken…. i cant believe we lost RJ to have this pain here!!!

anyone wants harris for an undrafted pick!!!
Lopez for boston’s 3rd round pick!!!
Lee for lakers 2nd pick in 2013!!!

Lets just disband the team. i cant take it anymore

by mr. omG on Dec 6, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

we wont win 10 games, if we do so ill change my name. Book it

Like i said, Hammered hard :D :D :D

by mr. omG on Dec 6, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

Two Things : 1) @ Isaac…..Thanks for bringing that up..There was a no call in the 4th ? Quarter ? where I think it was Harris took the shot from around the foul line and it was so obvious that he was hit on the hand meanwhile the nets player under the boards was complaing about a no call on him…Two obvious no calls on one play…2) PLEASE , all you frank lovers….why don’t you start a site called frankforever and praise him there..PLEASE…He’s gone..Thank Goodness..Let’s move on already…PLEASE….Thank You….

by NetFan48 on Dec 6, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

@ oMG…I want to win games but that # 1 pick is sounding sooooo goood…..

by NetFan48 on Dec 6, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

at Netfan48

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed that total screw job by the NBA officials today. Again, we did not play well in the 2nd half, but instead of 5 on 5, it felt like 5 on 8. Aside from the absurd carry calls, the fake offensive foul called on Dooling – the Knicks were called for ONE foul in the entire pivotal 3rd quarter – and it was their intentional foul to give in the final seconds! I am sorry, that is not possible.

by Isaac on Dec 6, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

Sigh… suddenly I missed Frank.. LOL…

Micro ball… that’s really nice, Kiki you made me crazy from happy just in one game.

Dooling was hot, but you didn’t use him, you used Alston…and you didn’t even try to put Lopez and Boone on the court to control DLee and Al Harrington.

by jarkid on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

I loved seeing Dooling on the court. Alston should not see playing time. Mark my words more wins will come with dooling healthy the guy is a solid guard.
David Lee scored too easily on the pick and roll. Lopez and the guards need to show hard and get back the pick and roll is not that confusing.
-CDR I love this guy but I think the nets could have come out of their funk if he didn’t try to carry the team out there. Sure its possible we might have lost by 20, but it is not about this one game. If this were the playoffs and we needed a win that mentality might work… the Nets really needed to just learn to get the ball moving, get the team involved and beat the damn zone. Not work on our individual heroics. That being said, CDR shows heart out there and hopefully it becomes contagious.

by molskin on Dec 7, 2009 1:36 AM EST reply actions  

I could remember somebody said in a previous post that y’all are too excited over one win and if the Nets lose against the Knicks let the bashing of Kiki begin. Well im happy to see he wasn’t lying it didn’t take too long for y’all to start complaining about KiKi now did it? lol such funny fans.

by mikee21 on Dec 7, 2009 3:24 AM EST reply actions  

“They’re bums! None of them would get any real playing time on a quality NBA team. If Battie were so good Orlando wouldn’t have gone out of their way to resign Gortat. If Swat were any good he wouldn’t have gotten kicked of a D league team. Not to mention not get in foul trouble anytime he’s on the floor. And Boone just isn’t that good. These guys are fringe NBA players and everybody knows it.. Well not everybody. The best players on the NJ Nets are Brook, Devin, CDR, CLee, Dooling, Hayes and Yi. Would Boone, Swat or Battie see any floor time on the Lakers, Magic, Celtics, Cavs? A realistic fan (not one in love) would know these guys are bums no matter "imo how many shots they can influence"..”

Hilarious. You realize that 80% of big men in this league wouldnt make the rotation on those teams you mentioned (LA, Orl, Cle, Bost), right? Btw, the Lakers have guys like DJ Mbenga or Josh Powell who arent any better than Boone. Do you think SCRUBS like Joel Anthony (who’s part of the Heat’s rotation) or Chuck Hayes (who is a starter on the Rockets and plays more than 25 min a night) are better then Boone? Hilarious. If those guys get PT in better teams, then yes, I think Josh Boone can be part of a godd team’s rotation and play 15-20 min a games as then 2nd big coming off the bench… so I really hav eno problem with him getting minutes on this crappy team we have.

by Andrés on Dec 7, 2009 5:34 AM EST reply actions  

Andres, the guys who you call scrubs are equal to our starters. Our starters should be scrubs, bench players. Yi and Boone would only sniff playing time on good teams, but they get 30 minutes for us. That’s the problem.

by geo on Dec 7, 2009 6:55 AM EST reply actions  

Mikee21, this is what I said after the Nets beat the Bobcats. The same thing applies now

supreme Says:

December 5th, 2009 at 11:22 am
This is for everybody that has come to any conclusion based on last nights game. IT’S 1 GAME!!!

It was huge for us to get a win but Kiki is going to have some bad games and some players will play more than others on any given night. If we come out and get beat by a Knick team that is playing a lot better tomorrow, we’ll see a 180 and the complaining will begin and this win will be forgotten. The other 2 teams that lost 17 in a row to start the season lost the next 4 or 5 after their first win. We already knew that Kiki set himself up pretty nice not having to coach the Mavs game (I still can’t figure that one out). How about we wait a few games before concluding anything..

by supreme on Dec 7, 2009 7:09 AM EST reply actions  

Geo, exactly!

A lot of fans here think these guys are MUCH better than they are.

@Andres,

Boone is the only player that should see the floor. Battie is at the end of his career and Swat will probably be out of the league next year ( I know it’s Franks and now Kiki’s fault) You guys want Boone or Swat to start and you think that’s what would make the Nets a good team. Not to mention teams like the Spurs or Nuggets. Could Boone start in front of Horford or Josh Smith in Atlanta? Ok how about the Clippers? Camby, Kaman, Blake Griffin, Al Thorton? You think Boone, Swat and Battie are better than the Clippers frontcourt players? Even Andre Blathe from the Wizards would be a big upgrade..

Trust me, you don’t have to look far to find better front court players than the Nets have. We should have kept Nenad. He’s even a big improvement on what we put ont the floor..

by supreme on Dec 7, 2009 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

The point isn’t who would play on other teams. The point is that if you have the available bodies to play PF, you use them at PF, not waive the position and play 4 guards instead. If you’re making a cake and the recipe calls for chocolate, and all you have is low quality chocolate, so you use that or skip it and just add more flour?

by Yayy nets on Dec 7, 2009 7:41 AM EST reply actions  

If I’m making a cake and don’t have high quality chocolate but I do have high quality vanilla, I’m using the vanilla. I’d rather put the best ingredients in and have good tasting vanilla rather than bad tasting chocolate. Point being, the Nets have more talent in the pg, sg, sf positions than they do at pf. I’d rather the Nets had more talent at PF. But they don’t.

But I think when the Nets are playing teams with bigger front courts you’ll see Boone and Brook on the floor a lot more. And when Yi comes back you’ll see Brook, Yi and Boone in a rotation. But let’s not act like you have to play guys just because their tall. I don’t think Kiki knew what to do with Harrington because he was too quick for Boone and too big for Twill. They had nobody that can play those guys like Steven Jackson or Harrington. It’s a weakness.. if Boone could make them pay on the other end then you could exploit that. But they get beat on one end and can’t do anything on the other. Just having them on the floor because they’re tall serves no purpose. We were actually playing best when Dooling was on the floor. If he could have played more it would have helped more than having Boone on the floor.

by supreme on Dec 7, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

it’s not about what we have compared to other teams, it’s what we have compared to ourselves. There’s a difference between playing cuz your the best on your team and playing cuz your good. Nobody is saying Battie, Swat or Boone would start on the Celtics, Lakers or Cavs. Shoot, they wouldn’t start for the Knicks but they’re the BEST WE GOT!

@ Andres

“If those guys get PT on better teams, then yes, I think Josh Boone can be part of a good team’s rotation and play 15-20 min a game as then 2nd big coming off the bench… so I really have no problem with him getting minutes on this crappy team we have.”

I agree. It’s not about what our bigs would get on another team it’s about their value to us. Boone should be the 2nd big off the bench for us. Swat should start and between the two of them they need to play 40 minutes combined. Battie should back up Lopez. Really what’s the alternative?

“All of this team’s talent is at the same position.”

I’m sure the position referred to was a 1,2 or 3. Was that “talent” going to stop Harrington or help with our defense or rebounding yesterday. NEVER! Playing 4 guards at once cuz they have “talent” and our bigs couldn’t play for the Clippers is just missing the point.

Thank you Yayy nets.

by Mr. Big on Dec 7, 2009 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

this team desperately needs jarvis hayes back. that tells you something about the state of the franchise

by drmagoo on Dec 7, 2009 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

OK let’s see who gets it. One poster (me) says the Nets don’t have enough talent and they have a 1-19 record to show for it. Then you have another poster (you) that thinks that a guy that got kicked off a d league team should start and THAT would be the key to this same team being a good team… hmmmm. Your right I’ll never get that…lol

by supreme on Dec 7, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

@ Tim – What about last year? Give the man a break. At least he would have enough common sense to NOT go small on defense.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Dec 7, 2009 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

“the key to this same team being a good team…”

I love using quotes as opposed to putting words in other peoples mouths. There’s a differnce between a “good team” and the best we got. They’ll just keep trying to get it.

by Mr. Big on Dec 7, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

Sooo the purpose of starting Swat is because of your obsession? Maybe you should call Kiki. Other than that, it appears EVERYONE else that has coached this guy can see it. As they say love is blind. Enough with the scrubs. Boone, Swat or Battie won’t be on the team next year anyway. Let’s just develop the young guys and get a top 3 pick and a free agent or 2 and get these scrubs off the team. I told you I agreed we’d go from one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best next year. That was based on new talent coming in, not Swat starting.

by supreme on Dec 7, 2009 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

I keep on tellingh everybody from the begining. When J.Hayes comes back he should start at the three spot and C.D-Roberts at the two.
C.Lee annd K.Dooling with the second unit would be solid along with Yi at the 4 spot.
D.Harris/C.D-Roberts should be are starting guard unit now and for the next five years.
C.Lee could dominate with the second unit as the main guy and this gives us balance along with potential to stay in games and win.
The draft is for us to get a starting Power Forward/Back up Center and Rotation Three spot Small Forward.

GO BROOKLYN NETS! GO BROOKLYN NETS! GO BROOKLYN NETS!

by Dziedzic on Dec 7, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

Sean Williams should be cut from the team at once. The guy is a menace to society. Why do you even have this mental midget around. T-Will must be hanging around Sean Williams, because he is starting to remind me of him. Great athletic talent, but nothing going on between the ears. Courtney Lee gotta step up and take his shots. I wonder if the Nets have the lowest I.Q. in the NBA. A lot of dumb plays = dumb players?

by Mike on Dec 7, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

My only “obsession” is my hope for the team to win. To me Swat is the best we got. Not saying much but it is what it is.

@ Mike

TWIll is friends with Nate Robinson. Need I say more?

by Mr. Big on Dec 7, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

The point everybody misses is C.Lee is a great scorer and can defend. Putting him in the second unit and going up agaisnt the second unit of the other team allows us to still get points and keep us in games to close out at the end. It is about winning isnt it?

C.D-Roberts can defend better and also work better with D.Harris as unit whom plays both sides of the ball along with being able to run.

by Dziedzic on Dec 7, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Its simple – they just don’t have the horses.
If they have written off the season, then we should stop wasting our time watching this crap.
And anyone who things Yi is gonna fix this is nuts.

Go to Brooklyn – please.

Lets get a real basketball franchise for NJ. Something we can be proud of – like the Devils.

by halwas on Dec 7, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

Since Lawrence Frank is still on the pay roll , why doesn’t Kiwi bring him back to play the PF position since he too seems to love small ball.

by Dan the Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

How come the only players we injure are our own? If this team played as physical and tough in the “real” games, as they seem to do in practice, we might have a few more wins.

I’m starting to think that Net management does not have a clue. Blind leading the dumb. Hopefully Proky comes in and cleans house, Thorn included.

by Mike on Dec 7, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

My only obsession is saying Hollah!

Hollah!

by Shawn Carter on Dec 7, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

@Mr.Big;

  I read that T-Will actually lived in Nate’s house for awhile, when they were youngsters.

I would love to see T-Will and Nate Robinson try to change a light bulb. T-Will wouldn’t be able put the bulb into the socket and Nate would be laughing his butt off.

What a pair of goofballs.

by Mike on Dec 7, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

I noticed no cheering whatsoever when the Nets had a good play or a basket. Proof that NYC offers no support for the Nets.

by Jersey Pride on Dec 7, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

I guess Sean Williams always dreamed of being the bull, in a China closet.

Yi is redefining the term “injury prone”.

Harris looks and plays like he has a lot on his mind, none of it basketball.

Every time Alston hits the court, his trade value takes a tumble.

Too bad Hassel isn’t a good player. At least he shows up and tries hard.

by Mike on Dec 7, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

@ Tim – What did you expect with the players he had? Larry Hughes? Eric Snow? And you act like he had other options!

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Dec 7, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

I agree. D’antoni out-coached our coach. Kiki needs to look at the replay of this game and see where he went wrong.

When you use the same philosophy as Lawrence Frank, you lose.
1) Small ball – 4 guards 1 center
2) Bench the young kid because he made mistakes
3) Dont play Swill.
4) Play Hassel
5) No Concrete Offensive Strategy
6) Lopez with less then 10 shots
7) CDR taking more then 15 shots

by SIC on Dec 7, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

@Mike et al

While you’re taking potshots at the brainpower of TWill and Nate Robinson, may i remind you that they are enjoying the perks of being two young multimillionaires. Maybe TWill could hire you to change the lightbulb while Nate laughed his butt off. I know money isn’t everything, I’m just sayin..

And just why aren’t these two dolts still out playing pickup ball on the playground anyway? (No offense Rafer..)For people to make personal (stereotypical?) assumptions about these players is silly. To post them is worse, imo.

by Jeff on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

Those two geniuses better save their money, because they both might be out of the league in a couple of years.

by Mike on Dec 7, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

@Jeff;

As for stereotypical remarks, I think that Thorn, Kiki and Frank, are not as smart as some people think. Dumb is dumb, no matter what color, class, creed etc.

P.S. If we can’t have some fun with our postings, then this site would be as dull as your last remarks.

Lighten up (no pun intended).

by Mike on Dec 7, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

@ Jersey Pride – There was NO cheering AT ALL for EITHER team! The arena was TOTALLY SILENT for the ENTIRE game! Well, at least THAT was the picture I saw while watching ON TV!

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Dec 8, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

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