Harris' Turn to Speak Out

Thorn has lost his touch

ughhhh this team is a mess. we need a trade. wow i can’t believe harris spoke out he is never a leader. I WANT FRANK BACK.

everyone liked frank

Fire everyone…leave no one. Scorched earth…Red Army style.

This team has officially become a complete mess, and it is all due to the VC trade. VC was a very good player that made this team from dysfunctional to decent. Now that VC is gone, the Nets are without a trut leader and a true superstar. Devin is a primadona who cares about himself and how many points he scores, CDR is only a scorer and not yet ready to lead the team, and Brook isn’t vocal enough and is still reluctant to pass the ball (although I can’t blame him much of the time). Alston, Hassell, and Batie may be able to lead in the sense that they are veterans, but a true leader needs to lead vocally and through his play. We have nobody that can do that. And the only way to get out of this problem is through the draft (ex. Hornets, Grizzlies, Magic, etc.). Free agents don’t come to dysfunctional teams, and the only way we can overcome this problem is by getting lucky and drafting Wall.

What the heck is this all about? Gotta be Alston, he was doing some weird bench-taunting during the game. His own bench!

Alston plays pretty lazy sometimes too, so he shouldn’t be calling out people too much.

In general most of the guys do play hard, but could definitely kick it up a notch. Lopez seems to be the most consistent at being consistently consistent, but CDR brings it every night as well with varying degrees of success.

They will definitely get rid of Alston this year at some point.

Two words…Ki Ki.

Please elaborate Net Income…

What’s this got to do with KiKi, we were 0-18 before Kiki took over. How does this blame go to Kiki.

Why isn’t Thorn making a trade or something to improve our team. Our Forwards are a total mess, all our Forwards combine can’t average 10 points.

Net Income just wants Frank, cause he think he is the best coach in the whole world.

This team is in shambles and it’s going to be a losing season. I’m a fan of the move to BK and i’m happy they’ll be playing in Newark next year but if they want to attract some FA’s they need to come together as a team and show some life as the season goes on. Improving as a team and finishing strong is important.

That being said it’s hard to see this team winning more than 20 games, if that. If they lose out on Wall it would be devastating.

@NetsDaily, so Harris is complaining about Kiki? Wow, that was fast.

Maybe bring back Jason Collins just to even things out.

seriously, fire everybody: thorn, kiki, yormark.

Well we know he is not complaining about the players because he said he does that directly behind closed doors. We know he is not complaining about Del Harris because he liked him in Dallas. We know he is not complaining about Rod because he was complaining to Rod.

Kiki…dont screw this up. Just hold it together, develop the kids and win enough games to avoid creating a losing culture while securing a top 4 draft pick…then we can attract some good free agents and take off to elite status in 2 years. I dont want to become the constantly rebuilding lousy second team in the big city east coast Clippers.

My take on this is that Harris and CDR want rafer off the floor or less shot attempts…

lol i may be reaching for nothing right now but I get that feel from CDR and Harris’ statements.. did you guys peep when alston kept staring at the our bench after he scored? Seems to me like theres some serious disagreements in that locker room

If Harris wants to man up to Alston, he needs to show it on court. I am not a big fan of Alston, but he often runs the team better than Harris does on court. Harris again had more turnovers than assists, and he kept jacking up shots despite the ridiculously low accuracy.

XD

strong words harris!

I HOPE front office make haste and make a trade or 2, but for decent players, no more trash plz

we have plenty on:

Battie
SWat
Yi
Hassell
Simmons
Najera
Twill
i rather just play

Lopez/Boone
-/—-
CDR/Jayes
Lee/—-
Harris/Dooling/alston

as you can notice, we lack on PF positions (sry but SWat, Najera an Yi are a waste of money)

and SG backcourt

even Boone isnt the big deal as C backup, Half our team needs to be replaced!!!

i just cant see where in the rotation we can place Twill, that and the fact that he doesnt likes the team is enough for me to have him traded or waived

:D :D :D

Re-Hire Frank!!

Hollah!

What a sham being foisted off on the people of New Jersey.
Let Brooklynites fill the seats of the IZOD.
Why would the people of NJ pay to see an intentionally inferior product? Again, intentionally.
This whole year has been a disgusting display.

I would be upset if I were employed by the Nets as well. This organization has no intention of winning games. Most professional athletes have a small window to preform at a maximum level. Nets players are fully aware they are simply placeholders for the fat cats who pull the strings.
They know they are JUST warm bodies to be put on the floor because the Nets HAVE to field a team. All the while………. Some of their most productive years as pro ball players are being wasted.

All I know is, I have never seen a player from any team taunt their own bench like Alston did tonight. He went coast to coast like three times in a row, ball-hogged basically and then taunted his own bench! That is insanity. What a mess.

Oh whoa is us! Bring Frank back!!

Get rid of Rafer Alston ASAP!!!

The team is a mess. The president is punishing his GM/coach for messing with his boy, Frank. The team has been built to lose since Kidd left. Thorn has been dumping salary and clearing a path (trading Anderson, letting Opie play our natural PFs at other positions and drafting TWill while passing on several good PFs) for our historic bust at the request of our coach/GM. But you know what, I like Kiki. Last night 2 bigs played the whole game. Sure we couldn’t hit a shot but Kiki is willing to change his rotation quickly and for the better. If it wasn’t for the lack of talent and the losing team he took over which has led to our dissention, I believe we might be competitive in the near future. The concern of Harris about the “lack of direction” might be due to Kiki’s inability to strategize and letting players speak out in public negatively but it doesn’t compare to his ability to recognize a problem and find a good solution which Opie could never do. As long as Kiki plays big even if it’s Del’s suggestion that he do it, he’s alright with me.
BTW it’s not good when players call out their teammates in the media or on the court, even when they make good points. It needs to stay behind closed doors and should be disciplined when it’s not. Alston needs to be fined, not for his message but how he is delivering it.

lol “whoa is us”

@ nicebull
I know you were being sarcastic but i literally would take Jason Collins back. The guy was a solid defender and was rarely caught out of position. it couldn’t get worse.

Wow, the bloom is off the rose fast. Kiki has no leadership in my opinion. Not like Frank. Frank was all about direction and detail and structure. This guy is loosey goosey. Listening to him talk, too, is interesting. He is so vague as if he is holding back. Frank was direct, honest, up front. Took ownership. Kiki says we’re playing well. What is he thinking? Kiki says they are trying. Wow. Just say we do not execute the game plan: unless you have no game plan. Thorn, get a shooter and a PF. Then we can be at least mediocre.

NiceBull says:

“All I know is, I have never seen a player from any team taunt their own bench like Alston did tonight. He went coast to coast like three times in a row, ball-hogged basically and then taunted his own bench! That is insanity. What a mess.”

Point well taken. Is this the veteran player who is complaining that certain teammates don’t cheer for others? Who can respect that kind of obvious DISrespect from another?

Also, if a younger player had done what Rafer did, there probably would be tons of negative press about it and the younger player would be benched.

Rafer, tenured or not, encourages division on this team. Wonder what he’s like in the locker room? Ughhh..

I’ve followed this team since the ABA and this is about as low as it gets. The VC trade in addition to delivering nothing in a value sense (I’d rather have Ryan), has had a terrible result in terms of leadership. We have none.

Devin is a nice player but not a leader on the court or in the locker room and not the type of player you build a team around. Kiki is coaching because he was forced and we look totally lost on the court.

I used to hope Rod survived the new ownership but I’m not so sure now. This mess all goes back to him. He is the decision maker.

Blame Rod! Blame Kiki! Blame Frank! Blame Raefer! People this is not their fault. What is happening to our team now is due to one man and one man alone. BRUCE RATNER DID THIS. It’s Ratner’s fault that we are terrible. That we can’t get fans to games. That we don’t have the personnel and players we need to succeed. That were not already in a new arena. This franchise had a whole new air about it before Ratner. He’s destroyed everything that was put in place by Jason Kidd, and the Finals Run Nets. It’s unfortunate that this ever had to happen. I don’t care if you’re for BK or not, we can ALL agree that we’d rather this team be WINNING than the mess that we’re in now. I’m tired of Ratner,I’m tired of Yormark. I can’t believe there haven’t been more fans with signs at games trashing Ratner. I can’t believe there haven’t been “fire Ratner” chants. This franchise has become a joke and an insult, and I’m just happy they don’t go out and play this way with “NJ” on there uniforms anymore. So thank you Ratner, for single handedly annihilating any semblance of an NBA team from this franchise.

all this losing is messing up everyones head.
Players,coaches,management,fans everyone is frustrated with each other too!
The has been good play and ugly play and everyone is to blame!
The injuries hurt and now resentment between players?
This team has had alot of new player come in the last few years. There is no bond for this team. It seems like everyone has an agenda
Vets playing for a new contracts
Young players trying to establish themselves and learn
Who is trying to win??? NOW
Thats where management is to blame
Losing is never fun or pretty
With all the talk about 2010 free agency what did management think this team would do in the last year of rebuilding knowing they are all in some way or another not garunteed to be in the same uniform next year?
A Big Mess!!

nj4life, i completely agree with you this mess began with the RAT but…. but, the RAT is no longer (for all practical purposes) associated with this team. he’s in the process of handing this team off to Proky. the immediate managerial fault today is Yormark, Thorn, Kiki. these 3 are so incompete in handling this owner transition period, you’d think they’r trying to get replaced, or sabotage Proky!

Kiki might not be qualified to be a coach. But he went out and hire Del Harris a very qualified coach. Thorn hasn’t made any trades and hasn’t sign anybody when our forwards combine is in capable of 10 points. This is a game of 3-5.

All those Garbage forwards we have is all Thorn not Rat.

Ariza, Bass, even Landry and plenty of other decent midlevel cap forwards were available.

I couldn’t believe what Rafer Alston was doing taunting the bench. Then the camera panned over to the bench and it showed Hassell, Simmons, Sean Williams, Tony Battie and CDR with looks on their faces like they’re at church. And I’m not talking cool southern black baptist church. I’m talking boring white people church. Could they have looked any more bored?

As the Scythians destroyed food supplies and poisoned the wells to defeat King Darius the Great of Persia, so must we. All hail Muscle Devil and Lord Lopez! Let none else remain.

After watching this game, I have lost respect for Harris.

That said, he is right. There is a lack of direction. Kiki needed to change things not add to what Frank did. I say change it completely. CDR and Lee should be running around without the ball. Lee isnt a guy that creates shots. HE needs to come off screens he is better at that. Lopez needs to stay in the post. Lopez is forcing outside shots. Boone is the one that should pick and roll.

Alston needs to go. Granted I saw what he was talking about. He made those nice acrobatic shots and the team was just sitting there. I dont think they like him. Trade him to a playoff team for expiring contracts.

Seriously though, something else needs to change. We can’t stumble through this season pretending to be a team, continue to be divided by failure and limp our way to the draft into the off-season and draft. I’m not sure if I trust that fortune would smile upon the desperate. It far often smiles upon those willing to take strides toward change. No one should be safe from the inevitable change that will change the landscape of this team. No one.
  
Does anyone REALLY think Derrick Favors, 18 years old and scoring 13ppg is going to save this team or change the tone set by this season?

Thinks are broken in NJ and they can’t be fixed with the spare parts we have.

How about we trade Devin Harris and maybe another player and our Dallas pick to Minny or Philly and take the chance of getting Wall and Favors in the 2010 draft ???

I vote for SIC for Coach…Kiki should follow your lead….

Everyone agrees this is a shame and a sham created by Ratner and it probably will not end until he is officially gone. The question is how can the team remain cohesive until that event and a corner is turned. Seems like it is beyond that point.
Perhaps we could trade Alston back to Orlando and get Ryan A. back….who would not like to see him back in the rotation.
VC was the glue that held this fragile team together by his leadership and performance. KiKI needs to straighten things out in the locker room,,,or Del, tho its not easy talking sense to twenty year olds.
Brook is the real leader on this team tho it is impossible for him to assert himself in that role as just a sophmore in the league.
Hope they can have a team meeting, clear the air, and move forward.

We will always love Terrance in Louisville.

I cant wait for you to trade him. The Nets stink.

this team has no talent. no leadership. no coaching. no direction. all things young players need at this point.

@ Netfan…
Philly just signed Iverson. He would flip his lid if Harris showed up there. Minnesota has Johnny Flynn and Ramon Sessions AND they still have Ricky Rubio…somewhere.

If you want to trade Harris, the first team I’d be calling would be Washington to see if Devin Harris and Jarvis Hayes or Josh Boone for Caron Butler could happen. Once they hung up on me I would be going through my roladex looking for Pat Rileys phone number.

Then, once I realized I didn’t want to rent Udonis Haslem, I’d try Memphis and see what it would take to get Rudy Gay and try to woo him to stay a few more seasons.

I would attempt: Harris and CDR for Conley, Gay and Haddadi, then see what happened. Then add the Dallas pick. Then I would cut Sean Williams.

Is the lottery anytime soon?…sigh

This season is spinning out of control quickly. Everyone who was so excited about firing Frank is probably not as confident right now of that decision…He is a good coach, a good guy and will do a great job in his next position. Book it.

The Nets were foolish to try and have a young rebuilding team with some veterans who know they are playing for their final contracts and need to get every dollar possible. Alston’s play is creating trade value around the league – if a playoff team loses their PG. Unfortunately that has not happened yet. Battie, Simmons, Hassel and Najera have limited value – maybe Battie and Hassel will have some value as the deadline comes around for a playoff team.

The concern at this point has to be that the Nets are falling into Knicks territory where the entire organization becomes dysfunctional and the young players we have become poisoned and are no good for the future of this team.

Maybe the young players are just not that good.

This is why the Nets should have either fired Frank at the beginning of the season or waited until the end of the season. Who has ever heard of somone coming down from the front office to coach and he has never been a coach and doesn’t want to be the coach? Of course the direction is split when you have 2 voices trying to direct the timeouts? Who’s the coach Del Harris or Kiki? You see them both talking during the timeouts. Kiki was probably able to sit back and talk about what Frank didn’t do.

And now everybody got what they wanted, Brook plus Boone on the court at the same time for an extended period of time. How’d that workout?

This whole situation is making some guys look worse. Devin is one of them. With a leader making his life easier he was an AS last year. Hopefully we’ll get Devin some help next year (through draft, Free agency) and he’ll be fine.

It wouldn’t be a good thing to make crazy moves because you evaluate some players without taking into account some factors that may be hurting them.

@ Ryan243…….I am still very confident about the frank firing…It was a great move but far too long to wait….We are in the position we are in because of him….He had Zero control over the players and never dealt with these problems when they arised and now we are in complete turmoil…Where ever he goes , He will do the same……I’m so happy that he is outta here..Now we have to clean up the mess that he left us……

This is what Bruce Ratner has created. Those of you who have openly supported the Rat for the last few years, I hope you are enjoying this mess.

The first thing ALL of these guys need to do is SHUT UP. Do not air your dirty laundry in the media, it makes the situation worse. 2nd, I believe Alston was telling the truth, and I think that Harris is right

With that said, while I commend Devin for actually showing some semblance of interest in what happens with this team, his play on the court says otherwise. His play for the most part has been god awful. Horrible shot selection. Awful turnovers. No interest in playing defense for four quarters.

This is spiraling out of control fast and I blame the front office. I thought that getting a win or two would help things but the effort has been horrid these past two games. Something needs to be done.

Somehow, even while Frank is not here, it’s still his fault.

That is just hilarious. Keep feeding me with the pathetic excuses, guys. I need a laugh.

Thanks Ratner!!!!

3,2,1…HIRE FRANK!!!

i say rehire frank. i know we didn’t win a game with him but we were injured and JUST getting healthy. we didn’t have this problem when he was here. kiki is a bad coach

Imagine Porkhorov buys out the entire team and the CSKA Moscow roster takes over. He could then use the Euroleague team as his own personal minor league system.

About time the damn captain said something… Actually he probably did before but…at least we now know.

As for alston… it looks like he takes out his frustration out of his teammates… He is slowly becoming a cancer…
Nets should do the same thing they did to Mccinis. tell his to stay home

Frank wouldn’t want to come back to this team. Nobody would.

He’s probably thankful they canned him.

@quasinetsfan

You love TWill but can’t even spell his name. lol

Great thing you guys got going there in Louisville huh?

I feel sorry for CD-R this really is a unique situation how else can you describe it? At the end of the day who do you really blame…? Is it the players? The coaches? Management? The Izod? Why so many questions this season really hurt man. I hardly watch games anymore I just come on Nets daily to read things like “Nets Help Pacers End Their Slide” smh

……John Wall’s footsteps….

This did not happen overnight. I think one of Frank’s failings was lack of leadership and vision. I don’t think he commanded respect and players tuned him out.

While it is unfortunate that he got held accountable for this mess, I believe replacing him was the right thing to do. I didn’t want him to get the extension a few years ago.

I was hoping that Del Harris was going to have a louder voice. That does not seem to be the case right now. At this point I think we have a shot at the 76ers record for futility.

Will J

You mean trade Harris and Alston and start over perhaps?

I’ll trade Harris and Alston in a “New York minute”.

nets front office outta just issue a month long gag-order (including a $5,000.00 fine per tweet related to the team)on the entire team. coaches, players, towel boys, everyone. just shut everyone up in the media.

next, they should rent a boxing ring, get some gloves, take the entire team to the ring and toss two pair of gloves in the ring and let em go at each other one at a time. work out all that pent up aggression toward each other and see who’s left standing – physically and mentally.

finally, the front office should start inquiring about trades and putting an open offer on anyone – just to make sure the ego’s know they’re expendable.

k, my bet is on SWAT last man standing, which is not good for the team’s winning chances.

Everone relax, and wait for nest year.

Let us reflect on the good, Lopez and CDR seem like legitimate NBA starters on a very good team. Harris is good enough to if we get an excellent 2,3, or 4. And Yi was showing vast improvement from last year early on.. There may be hope for him yet. And talent-wise, T-Will could be good if he actually goes to the basket. Remember, CDR wasn’t even allowed on the court this time last year. So let’s hope for the best.

+ lots of picks and cash

Again. Let’s place blame where it is due. The ownership, The front office, the coaches and the players. Why would anyone in their right mind pay anything to see this mess. God Bless Vince and Ryan in Orlando. Go magic!

Harris is a complete fraud, just like the prior fan favorite, Richard Jefferson – who makes every team he joins worse and will be dumped by the Spurs by Aug 1st at latest. VINCE CARTER was the glue and a true leader, no matter what you think. He just needed more pieces around him. Harris makes everyone around him worse and personally destroys a teams ball movement and defense. TRADE HIM NOW!

We have to get Alston out of here.

Trade EVERYONE OTHER THAN Brook Lopez, Courtney Lee, Sean Williams, Tony Battie, and Trenton Hassell for WHATEVER you CAN POSSIBLY GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you’re keeping the 2 players I would least keep. SWat??? What does he do besides foul people? And CDR is very very good.

Next year, all the players you named besides Lopez and Lee will be gone.

@ Paul B – Yeah, right.

@ Mr. Big – I think the first thing that Mikhail Prokhorov should do once he takes over is fire EVERYONE associated with this franchise in any way and then trade away every player except Lopez/Lee.