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The Aftermath - Loyer? Harris?

With Lawrence Frank out, the Nets are more likely to choose a successor from the ranks of his assistants, possibly John Loyer, than move Kiki Vandeweghe to the bench. Rod Thorn said he'd also consider outside candidates with former NBA and Team China coach Del Harris among those rumored. The decision to fire Frank got mixed reviews, with most blaming ownership. Mikhail Prokhorov had no comment.

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Wouldn’t it be a better idea to get a coach with experience to lead a rebuilding team like this?

by Jack on Nov 29, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Wow finally, Frank is no more. i look foward to see this team put some more effort on Offense.

i want them to bring avery johnson, he knows harris well.

No more frank :D :D :D

by mr. omG on Nov 29, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Avery Johnson would be terrible for the Nets, as he keeps a tight leash on his point guards. I’d rather see Kiki than any of the assistants though…

by Jon on Nov 29, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

No more frank!!! yey!!!

:D :D

no more frank

P.S if you dont like johnson, who youll sugest ???

don nelson? wow

by mr. omG on Nov 29, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

Its a players league. You want to do it right get a former player.

by BigEd on Nov 29, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

I AM POPPING OPEN A BOTTLE OF HENNESSY RIGHT NOW!!!

sorry for the caps!

by superb on Nov 29, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

@ BigEd – Not always. Did Mike Brown play before he became a head coach? No. Did Stan Van Gundy? No. And those are two of the best coaches in the league.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Nov 29, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

Get Jeff Van Gundy on the line

by dr. horrible on Nov 29, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

This is outrageous!!! There is absolutely no point in firing Frank now if you are going to replace him with one of his poor excuses for NBA assistants. Kiki was the only logial choice from within the organization since they obviously weren’t going to spend from outside of it. This is sad and truly pathetic.

by Isaac on Nov 29, 2009 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Brooklyn instead of Izod, Proky instead of Ratner, someone else instead of Frank…. SOMEBODY PINCH ME!!!

by calling all toasters on Nov 29, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

I think they should really look at Mark Jackson for next season or Van Gundy.

by Wells1580 on Nov 29, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

FRank gone!!
yayy!
lets celebrate!

by netsfan on Nov 29, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Yayyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!

by 1sparks1 on Nov 29, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Heard that Michael Ray Richardson and Chocolate Thunder are the new coaches on the radar. Plus, rumor has it that Duncan is back – Sly is out.

by NiceBull on Nov 29, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Woohoo!!!! Happy New Year !!!!!!!!
Who’s this guy Lawrence Frank that everyone keeps talkin about anyway.

by Dan the Fan on Nov 29, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

next year, patrick ewing

by drmagoo on Nov 29, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

What happened to this classy orginaztion? To fire a coach like this is disgusting. Can’t it wait till they return or do they actually think this will shake up the poor rich kids into winning? Why not let him ride back with the troops? Frank has been nothing but a great member of this team for many years, but this new Nets just lets go everyone from RJ to VC and everyone in between. Loyalty? Kiki does not want to get near this bunch to coach it, b/c he realizes they are an ill-fitted, talentless, crooked shooting bunch. Maybe when Hayes come back and Dooling…. Till then it is more loses b/c we just don’t have the talent to compete. Even without Kobe and Gasol they would beat us. Who is the next to go? Kiki? Harris?

by joe on Nov 29, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

@ NiceBull – I would much rather NOT go there.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Nov 29, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Lets talk about the time we were down by 20 and frank got thrown out and then we won the game.
I am smiling and Frank is crying!

by Randy Oreens on Nov 29, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

Jeff van Gundy

by Andy on Nov 29, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

at nicebull:

who is duncan? The previous mascot was “Super Dunk”

by Isaac on Nov 29, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Mark Jackson?

by Barry Popik on Nov 29, 2009 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

Isaac

Relax man – in the meantime, have an assistant take over for tonight – let the team come home, have some meetings tomorrow and by Tuesday/Wednesday we’ll know who will be the HC…Kiki or an assistant.

by SmartNetsFan on Nov 29, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, I’m so very happy. Yes Mark Jackson please, I believe I have to wait till next year. With a good coach we will see a real basketball team.

by JuliusIrving on Nov 29, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

@Isaac:

Duncan was the mascot in the 80’s. I was at many a Byrne arena game with Duncan at the helm.

by NiceBull on Nov 29, 2009 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

from his wikipedia page:
On May 12, 2009, Van Gundy expressed his desire to eventually return to coaching on ESPN writer Bill Simmons’ podcast, stating he would even consider being an assistant coach.

by dr. horrible on Nov 29, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

It doesn’t matter when…home or here. Most franchises would have done it weeks ago if not months or years. The Nets gave him every chance, even if they are hurt they are not playing for him. There is no better time than now to continue the rebuilding process.

No matter who takes over GUARANTEED T will and S will both will get more playing time. As will different combos that benefit their future. They are done playing Hassell 40 minutes a night. Look for Swat to start alongside Lopez and really respond to the freedom.

I look for vastly improved games from Swat, Harris, Lee and Twill to start….also a couple of wins soon…go NETS!

by supernetsfan on Nov 29, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think it is a great idea that they will not let Frank ride with the team back to NJ. He is getting millions of free dollars from the Nets! Why not let him pay for his own plane ticket! Fly economy, Frank!!! You will not be getting another coaching gig anytime soon.

by KJV on Nov 29, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

“Duncan was the mascot in the 80’s. I was at many a Byrne arena game with Duncan at the helm.”

Thanks my time with the team really started with Super Dunk – who I will take over “Sly” any day. As much as I like John Calipari – the “culture change” he ordered including the hideous uniforms we have been stuck with since he came on board still leave a bad taste in my mouth. Of course that problem only got worse when Yormark replaced our half-way decent blue “New Jersey” road unis with the hideous red “Nets” ones that belong in a pee-wee league somewhere.

by Isaac on Nov 29, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t want anybody on Frank’s staff. It really makes no sense to plug somebody in there that has a connection to him. It’s either Kiki or bust.

by Nets in 2010 on Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

@KJV

He will get another and better job. He is one of the top coaches in the game. He may take some time, but the offers will be there. I don’t like the animosity here. Sad to kick a man who is down. I will say, he, unlike Kidd, held his head high and gave 100% No migraines. He earned every penny they paid him. This messed up roster was his best work. I can see them going 0 – 25

by geo on Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

“Jon Says:
November 29th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

Avery Johnson would be terrible for the Nets, as he keeps a tight leash on his point guards. "

With the way Harris plays, he’s exactly what we need.

by Mr Dollar Bills on Nov 29, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

fred kerber looks like he knows what hes doing lol
they’re not bringing in anybody new, due to the fact the new owner is going to fire everyone and this team is going to be led by russians

by MIKE2RED on Nov 29, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

I was looking foward to kiki…but it also appears that the players have a lot of respect for Doug overton

by Andy on Nov 29, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

No way Avery Johnson will coach this team—dude is a damn control freak. Furthermore, there’s a curse on him: always comes close, but never good enough. Besides, DH’s confidence will plummet to the floor.

by Ballagurl on Nov 29, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

They should bring in Byron Scott. The only reason Byron Scott was taken out was cuz of JKIDD. Byron revitalized the hornets and he can at least make the nets slightly respectable

by JAYZ on Nov 29, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t mind having van gundy or byron scott as the coach. Are there any good college coaches that might want to coach for us?

by LetsGoNets on Nov 29, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

Why would they have Tom Barrise be the acting head coach tonight against the Lakers, if they plan on appointing one of the other assistants the Interim Head Coach within the next few days? It doesn’t make sense. I they plan on giving the job to an assistant, they should have done it immediately.

This tells me they wanted to wait until Monday and have a few meetings in house. Somebody within the Nets organization leaked it to the media that Frank was getting the axe and once the Wire ran Woj’s story it was too late. Thorne has too much respect for Frank than to let him coach a game when the decisions already been made.

by pawley on Nov 29, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

People keep saying that Frank was fire with the most wins in franchise history, can someone tell me who has more losses than the 241 that Frank has?

by KJV on Nov 29, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

KJV, after they moved to the NBA, Kevin Loughery went 129-234, so Frank passed him in the loss category after Game 10 this season. He passed Byron in the win category a long time ago.

by NetsDaily on Nov 29, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good, id like a guy who actually is a coach to be the head coach.

What makes anyone think a GM can coach?

by Kevin on Nov 29, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

The point guards NEED a tight leash. He teaches Defense.
Avery Johnson is what the Nets need.

However, in the interim, Kiki wouldn’t be afraid to shake up the lineup as needed. I think Kiki has cold feet for fear of losing his GM job when Proky takes over, if Nets continue losing badly.

by jerry25 on Nov 29, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

Lfrank
225 wins
241 loses
this streak puts LFrank under .500
poetic justic!

by djheavyduty on Nov 29, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

I hope they look at Kiki after tonight. I am sure they will bring in a big name and new staff save Walsh after new ownership takes over. and @diehardnflbarone Mike Brown did play

by BigEd on Nov 29, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

i am very serious
why dont we get MJ as our coach

by joet on Nov 29, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

@ BigEd – You’re thinking of a different Mike Brown. The one you’re thinking of was born in 1963 and God only knows where he is now. The one I’m thinking of was born in 1970 and essentially became a video guy straight out of college.

by diehardNFFLbarnone on Nov 29, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

“superb Says:

November 29th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I AM POPPING OPEN A BOTTLE OF HENNESSY RIGHT NOW!!!"

Amen to that brotha, AMEN!

His replacements should be either

A. Byron Scott

B. Mark Jackson

C. Stan Van Gundy

A or B are my hopes

by Nets318 on Nov 29, 2009 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

Yo, is anyone else watching the game? I know its rough, but Marv Albert and Mike Fratello are going at it. Crazy.

by JK on Nov 29, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

Whats the point of appointing one of Franks assistants? Wouldn’t that be like he never left?

by Tim on Nov 29, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

The asst. are a temp. replacement until they interview the candidates and appoint them. I’m guessing, I hope they have already placed calls to Scott & Jackson.

by Nets318 on Nov 29, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

80-54 3rd Q

nets worst modern start in NBA history, next game will make us worst in history old and recent.

:(

by mr. omG on Nov 29, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

Good news is, Frank is gone.

by Nets318 on Nov 29, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

Kiki is the ONLY logical choice from within – so of course the buffons running this team will blow that too and stick us with one of the only three people LESS QUALIFIED than Frank to coach this train wreck – one of his assistants.

Amazing, every time you don’t think it can get worse for this franchise, it somehow always does.

by Isaac on Nov 29, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder what they can do now….will Pochorov give any direction to Thorn.? or are we stuck with Barise?

Get Byron Scott Back

by Jad on Nov 29, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

@Nets318

Well from what I understand, the Nets wont spend for a coach… which would mean its an assistant….. which again, means more of the same.

by Tim on Nov 30, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

YESS
Frank and Carter are gone. Took them long enough. Now if only they can have some sense to kick off Yi

by asdf on Nov 30, 2009 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

As bad as we have been, it makes no sense to get a new coach until we address the lack of offense-abled players. Defense wins championships, but offense wins games and we don’t have nearly enough of it.

by MrT on Nov 30, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

imagine if we brought in patrick ewing. imagine the progress lopez would make with a real coach he can look up to.

ewing demands respect.

get ewing in here and oakley as our pf coach.

mark jackson on the bench too.

awesome! talk about media attention!

by superb on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 AM EST reply actions  

You’re forgetting the primary requirement for the new head coach – he has to cost NOTHING! So its someone you’re already paying. There is a short list – pick one.

Once the Russian gets it – all hell will break loose. You won’t recognize the management a year from now.

And all this talk about not getting any free agents. Baloney. Money talks and these guys are in it for the money. You may have to get two of them at the same time. Waive the money and they will come.

And they should flat out release Simmons. He obviously doesn’t care, doesn’t play hard, can’t or won’t shoot straight. He has got to be the worst $10 million player in the NBA.

by halwas on Nov 30, 2009 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

The next coach should be Bill Laimbeer. He has won Championships as a player in the NBA and as a coach in the WNBA. He would bring a toughness an attitude to this team, which has been lacking. Most of all, he would command respect in the locker room.

by Eugene on Nov 30, 2009 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

kiki must go next. yoday. jefferson for yi? carter for lee? t.williams and his 35% shooting? give me a break

by drmagoo on Nov 30, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

Ettore Messina is the next Nyets coach… :)

by jirohkanzaki on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Ah yes, Ewing. We have all seen the remarkable progress with Howard…his new post moves, his nice 12 foot jumper, his improved foul shooting. Oh wait, we haven’t seen any of that. Ewing is overrated as a coach…but as a denizen of mob-run strip clubs, well, there he has a record of great success.

Lopez is averaging 18 and 9, 27 and 12 the last three games…against Greg Oden, Spencer Hawes and Andrew Bynum, three contemporaries. Roy Rogers has done a nice job with him. Too often, we find posters pushing the most obvious choices, the ones with the hype.

by Net Income on Nov 30, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

"That’s probably as little talent as I’ve seen anybody put on the floor in the long time," Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy told reporters Sunday night.

Whoa! Dis-re-spect! I guess we don’t play them again this year?

by mt57 on Nov 30, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

patrick ewing: " i would love to coach the nets,i still live in nj" he would help lopez out alot

by matt on Nov 30, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

What disrespect? Stan was telling the truth and was even making an excuse for the sorry Nets’ winless start. What will he say? These guys are soooo talented why are they not winning? I dare you to find a team who can field worse players.

by jirohkanzaki on Nov 30, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

I think firing Frank was totally classless while the team was on the road in LA. The one game that was an absolute lock for a loss on the West Coast Trip was last night. Why fire the guy then? Makes no sense.

Frank was not going to be here next season anyways. But he has done a good job with the development of DH, Brook, CDR, Ryan Anderson (who absolutely pains me to watch play now). Jury still out on Yi and Lee was never healthy and TWill just beginning his career. Point being that this is a rebuilding year – we were never making the playoffs. A different voice is not going to change the season for them. So if you now replace him with an assistant coach – what have you accomplished? Its the same regime and the same roster = the same losses.

As for making Kiki the head coach – as GM he can be at every practice helping with player development – and has been discussed in the past that he spent much time with Yi. But again – the roster is still the same – the results are not going to be much different. Maybe we win 20 games this season – we are not making the playoffs so what is the difference. We should have only focused on developing young guys all year – which is what Frank was mostly doing. Injuries played a big part in minutes for Hassell and Simmons.

Also – this is the most important summer for this franchise. Kiki should be focused on improving this team thru the draft, free agency and the trade market – not on game planning.

by Ryan243 on Nov 30, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

The team is being sold in a matter of weeks, most likely to Prokhorov, but if that falls through, then to someone else.

I don’t think any of these guys will be around, which makes one wonder about how much they will be focusing on ANYTHING between now and July when their contracts run out.

by Net Income on Nov 30, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

To all the people that say what the Nets did was classless. Blame the person the leaked that they were going to fire him. What would have been worse? Everyone looking at Frank like Man, the team made you come to work just to get fired.

What would you rather? Come in to your 9-5. Do your regular routine. Then at 5 get your pink slip.

OR

Get a phone call from home from your boss right when you are about to get up – You dont have to come in today. We are firing your ass.

Stop with the Classless BS. I really doubt Thorn wanted to can him in LA, but I think he had no other choice. Clearly He should have been fired before the West Coast Trip, but Thorn was giving him another chance to win 1 GAME!!!

by SIC on Nov 30, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Why cry over L.Frank? He makes $4.5 million dollars and he doesnt have to go to work. No pitty for the foolish. Now make Kiki coach the year out and bring in only two potential former players to coach for the long run. Karreem Abdul Jabbar or Christian Laettner would be perfect for the next year and the future in Brooklyn. Both of these guys are more then capable to make this work for the long run in Brooklyn. Keep Overton because he really does his job well with the players. GO BROOKLYN NETS! GO BROOKLYN NETS! GO BROOKLYN NETS!

by Dziedzic on Nov 30, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

@Ryan243 Says:

Hey Ryan Kiki is the right choice for the remaining year. As far as trades/free agents don’t sweat it because the draft is going to be good to us next year. Priority is to get a long term coach ready for next year along with a solid draft and getting rid of our last year contracts of this year. R.ALSTON/E/NAJERA/B.SIMMONS/T.BATTIE/T.HASSELL This is $28.3 savings for the future when needed. As far as the draft as you know whom I am going to mention. G.MONROE/PF C.ADRICH/C and with our money cap savings buying another high draft pick for W.JOHNSON/SF.
Wow! Great 2010 Year! Shovel in the ground in Brooklyn/New Ownership/Partnership/Solid Draft/Changing the name from NJ to Brooklyn/2010-55 Wins. GO BROOKLYN NETS! GO BROOKLYN NETS BROOKLYN NETS!

by Dziedzic on Nov 30, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Lol – a lot of wishful thinking in this board for a named coach and personality only coach – the reality is that the team does not have the money and talent to win. This is a rebuilding team and just hoping that the deal with Proky goes through, and that is the only hope right now to get this team back in track. Not a new coach. Even Phil Jackson said that no money in the world will make him coach this team with no fan base and in the swamps.
L Frank is not the one to blame, the management is the one, and also just these bad luck on personnel injury. Don’t feel bad for him, he is a good coach and he will be back. I feel that they owed him a favor to get out gracefully so that they let him go without being a part of this losing streak.
Let’s just hope that the Proky deal will go through and Brooklyn will come through. Then continue with the rebuilding.

by Paolo on Nov 30, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Frank. It had to be done I guess but still don’t see what it will accomplish. Debate about interim coach is pointless except that it would be nice to get a few more details on the Kiki throwing Frank under the bus. If so, Kiki should coach BTW Jason I guess someone did let go of the rope.
Real debate should be: Is Thorn the man to make the pick in 2010 and if so who are the candidates. Don’t like Monroe or Aldrich, both too soft and we have enough soft big men.
Forget FA. Pick in 2010 could determine direction of franchise for next 10 years

by netsnuts on Nov 30, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

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