Nets Can't Get Over Hump Against Knicks

questionable calls. we should have won this one.

Our chance to beat prove everyone wrong and beat the other bad team in the NBA. People saying we are better than the Knicks but we lose.

We are going 0-18

Twill YOU ARE A ROOKIE STOP TAKING A SHOT EVERY TIME YOU TOUCH THE BALL!
Sean Williams- Needs to stay and play more
Josh Boone- Needs to go
Bobby Simmons- Needs to go
Devin Harris- isnt helping us he is better with Carter or a scorer, Rafer has kept games much closer.

Frank you have to go, Thorn how much longer will you keep this up? The longest tenure coach in the EAST has the WORST RECORD IN NBA.
I dont know how much longer I can hope for a win or hope for a new coach because obviously they both arent happening anytime soon.

Another loss for the coach of the year. Yes, we were put in a bad situation by the refs who were involved in some betting before the game (total guess), but we could have put ourselves in a better situation; one where we wouldn’t have to depend on the Refs.

Screams out loud

Another game we should have won. And that call against brook almost threw something at my tv.

3 REALLY bad calls.

But other then that, what I took from this:

- Devin makes Brook an All Star. FINALLY I saw Brook get the ball back on a pick and roll!!! FINALLY. Rafer hasn’t done it one single time! Same goes for forcing it to Brook when he runs on breaks! Its so nice to see! The whole team just functions so much better with Devin.

- Sean Williams is a stud, and needs to play more.

- I think, it may be time for the coaching change. I like Frank, but we just need a change.

since now im orlando fan, or denver ???

“The bounces (and whistles?)”

and whistles? is right. Every highlight of Douglas-Roberts YES showed, the Knicks had their arms all over him. The Sean Williams illegal pick and “blocking foul”.

This is beyond ridiculous.

PLEASE, PLEASE get rid of this poor excuse of a head coach we have NOW! Why does this MORON keep playing that BUM Simmons? Why didn’t he play Boone in the 2nd half? Oh yeah, I forgot, the Knicks play small and we always adjust to our opponents! Brilliant move by Opie!

You can count on a 0-18 start- worst start ever. No way Frank survives to that. NO WAY!

KUDOS to CDR. This kid is the real deal. He plays his heart out. And KUDOS to SEAN WILLIAMS. This kid plays really hard.

The officiating was horrible.

Small ball. I feel bad for Lopez and Williams, always playing alongside Simmons and Hassel in the front. Very difficult situation to be put into. And Boone was on the bench the whole game, basically. Not like he was terrible when he was out there. Very diffucult to watch.
They have no offensive system to put Lopez in positions he’s comfortable with, and he looks tired and worn out from having to be the entire interior defense himself. CDR looked really comfortable.
How Simmons plays more than Boone in the PF spot is beyond me.
Small ball.

GUys, having calls against the Nets is something that I’ve seen throughout all these years! I am angry at the refs, too, but I think there’s no more excuse after loosing to a team (or barely holding on against it) with two wins.

Be patient, coach Frank will lead the Nets win the championship next season.

Hollah !

“Devin Harris- isnt helping us he is better with Carter or a scorer, Rafer has kept games much closer.”

What tell me you’re playing. Alston has kept games much closer??? So let me ask you this: If you were the GM of the team, you would trade Harris so you can make space for Alston? Genius!!!

Go coach a D-2 team like you should be – and at least play Sean some more while we are stuck with you loser. He is one of the only players on this horrid roster with any upside. Giving Hassell, Boone, Simmons or Najera minutes over Sean is an utter joke.

Thorn – go and beg your master Ratner for a million and a half bucks to sign Iverson so we will at least have a reason to watch this team.

This is exactly how Ratner planned it – totally screw the fans of Jersey for what could be the last two seasons here, thanks a lot you pig.

This was a horribly officiated game, some of the calls were so bad I’d go as far as to question the legitimacy of the contest. That Lopez block on Gallanari’s dunk which was called foul or goaltending was awful. CDR attacked the basket relentlessly but only shot four FT’s? Someone had money on this game today

Anyway, Devin and Sean played very well today.

And of course, CDR played out of his mind, as usual.

Why did Lawrence Frank continue to play Bobby Simmons? He is horrible.

Just give Coach Frank Lebron and Wade, and he’ll show you he’s a better coach than Antoni!!!

that foul call on brook/gallo was the call that changed the game in the knicks favor. the blocking call on sean broke the nets back.

all that said, we have to get some 3 point shooters and simmons really shouldnt be playing this game. he is atrocious, abhorent, abysmal!!

sean needs to play alongside lopez. have boone back either one of them up.

cdr needs 15-20 shot attempts a game period.

twill needs to drive! stop shooting jumpers.

i dunno how i still love this team but i do. love isnt supposed to hurt like this.

0-18.

DH, CDR, SWat and BLo were solid, and we kept it close. 2010 #1 pick, here we come!

He should not have played Sean as a center, David lee would kill him easily. Boone should play the center this game to handle Lee for a while.

Sean Williams has to be put on Al harrington, who could always kill the Nets with his 3 ball.

this is devins first game back..RELAX!….CDR is awesome! and the future looks bright…stop bitching about this season..what don’t people get about a “rebuilding season” seriously people….the nets have gone from awful to great before…I don’t know if any of you remember how bad we where before we got Jkidd….you a couple nice free agents and a top pick to this team and you are SET. BE PATIENT.

oh and by the way:

Jason Kidd: 9.1 APG (4th in NBA), Mavericks: 10-3 (first place)

Great trade huh? The future is bright!!!

I said it 3 years ago – we were better off with an aging and cranky J-Kidd than we would ever be with the scrap heap we got in return for him. Devin Harris will never have what KIdd possesses on the basketball court and he certainly will never take the Nets to the heights that Kidd did.

It’s nice to see Devin back and have a good game even though we lost. Brook and CDR played like all stars, Sean Williams and Terrence Williams both played well but also made some mistakes as well. We really need to take Simmon out of the rotation, and have someone replace him. He is just plain horrible when he was out there playing. Ryan Anderson would’ve been the perfect player at that forward spot, because he can really stretch the floor, and make those open 3’s.

Overall I think our defensive intensity was lacking compared to the other previous games, that and Simmons the reason why we lost.

@jarkid

exactly!

Guys – everyone getting down on Frank is kind of silly. We have been in close games all year. I know people want to talk about how teams play down to the level of competition, that Frank’s rotations are stupid, etc. But we have played with 8 guys most of the year and have yet to be blown out. Every game we have had a chance to win in the 2nd half. CDR, Brook and TWill are continuing to get better. Oh, and we are in great position for the lottery! If you want to look at things as glass half full – this is not as miserable as guys are making it out to be.

We are a much better team with DH at PG than Alston. I do not understand why Alston shoots the ball ever. He sucks. But he is not a great distributor either. Looks like a guy trying to play for a contract. I would love to dump him to a playoff team (Orlando?) in need of a PG. Even if we get a 28th pick back.

Simmons should not be playing. But the Nets may be trying to either showcase him with hopes of dealing him and his expiring contract to a contender or just forced to give him minutes due to his contract. Whatever it is – he sucks. Better than RJ? Please.

CDR just gets better and better every game. There were times in the 1st half particularly where he was not getting enough touches. That is a coaching issue. He needs the ball in his hands. If nothing else this season – CDR is proving he is for real and a vital piece of the future success of this team.

Brook plays much better with DH. When DH was in the game – he also played much more in the paint. This just shows that Alston can not get him the ball in the post and he is forced to come to the top of the key.

For all you TWill haters out there – TWill is improving each and every game. He is going to be a very good player – either in the 1st or 2nd unit. For the 11th pick – he was a great addition by Kiki in the draft.

And Sean is continuing to warrant more minutes. I think any beef between him and Frank may be over – as Frank is trusting him more and more in big situations. When he played Sean midway through the 4th quarter over going to Boone – that said a lot. Sean made a huge impact on the game today. Hopefully he keeps his head on – as people will start to drink the Sean kool-aid again real soon…

I give it until February for Sean to screw this up.

I’m hoping he doesn’t, and maybe he can help us in a trade (he’s not staying here, obviously). But I lost all hope for him a while ago.

And the DH for Kidd trade was 100% the right trade. That netted Ryan Anderson – turned into Courtney Lee (jury still out on that) along with Dallas’ 1st rounder this year. Even if a 20th pick – it will still be valuable in this deep draft. A 25th pick this year is like a 12th last year. The draft is that deep.

And we are rebuilding. DH is the perfect rebuilding PG – considering his age and contract. JKidd would be a major distraction to this team.

And anyone suggesting trading DH so Alston can play more is drinking far too early in the day.

And I would love to see us make an effort at getting Joe Alexander. He is going to be a good player in this league someday. He just lacks basketball experience. On a per minute basis last year – his numbers were not that bad.

Keeping it close is not an excuse anymore.
We were playing a team with 2 wins!!! We were playing with an efficient Devin Harris, despite the limited time. There is no moral victory that we didn’t get blown out by a team with 2 wins. What’s the rationale for feeling good about this game, seriously?

Yes I love the lose. Just 6 more games for the record. And who is the coach? Wow I love that to be in the record. Love when Simmons take three points shots and I love Alston difficult to handle assist. Love when Frank kept Sean Williams inside the game when David Lee for sure can outsmart him. Love the referee to call foul on Brook.
Love the assist to Brooks when three knicks are just beside him. Go for the record NETS. Probably they’ll win big time on April. Watching the NETS lose is exciting. At least Frank is not yelling anymore, I guess he finally realize it doesn’t work. I am amaze the man have improve.

the worst trade of the year: trading away Ryan Anderson.

He can help this team at any time. He can play the pf, and shoot the 3, stretch the floor.

I’d like to not get Lee in return, and also not give up on Ryan.

It’s ok, because going through this losing streak will all be worth it next year. We’re definetly not gonna make the playoffs unless we happen to go on a crazy winning streak which I doubt will happen. We would have a chance to get one of the top picks at the 2010 draft and possibly land a big name free agent.

But this is a dissapointing loss for the Nets, a one that we really should’ve won. I thought Sean, Harris, Lopez, and CDR played well. Courtney Lee should be back at the Denver game so he can probably help even though he’s struggling this season. That win will come soon. We’re not gonna go
0-82.

Told you the Knicks would win. The difference was 3 point shooting as I predicted. Nets played reasonably well again, but the 3 pointer covers for a lot of errors on both ends of the floor, and the Knicks have much better shooters than the Nets, whose best 3 point shooters (Hayes and Dooling) are always wearing suits by the way. Oh well, aggravating, and I still support Frank, but I have better things to do with my weekend right now. Later.

Devin Harris is use to people double teaming VC. He hasnt put up the numbers this year he did last year. He is no all star this year thats obvious, he is just not helping this team. Rafer was helping the younger guys more and he kept us close on Miami and a lot of other games with 8 guys. I dont see why Frank was playing Twill, Harris, and Alston together.
We should get rid of Harris while the time is right. We are getting John Wall as our starter next year, Alston will have left and Developed Twill to get him to back up John Wall. We could get someone good in trading Harris and add that guy to who we pick up next year.
HARRIS NEEDS TO GO!

Another loss by a bad Nets team, who even when healthy is clearly a bad team anyway.

Please stop with the Boone and Sean Williams stuff. The Nets did not lose this game or any games because Simmons (who sucks) or Hassell (who sucks) or Najera (who sucks) played instead of Boone (who sucks) or Sean Williams (who sucks).

It’s bad enough that when Yi (who as of now sucks also) is healthy, that this group are the options. Throw in Bettie LOL., All of these players suck, and the team will suck until better players show up and only 1 or 2 of this group (maybe the much ballyhooed Boone and Sean Williams!) are relegated to severe bench duty. Get real.

The Nets need new players big time, especially at the 3 and 4 and back-up 5. Twill and CDR are guards who can barely play the 3, but they can survive. Nets need upgrades in the roster along with a new coach (you guys think he sucks too right…LOL).

No offense to the great Stevie Wonder, but did he train the refs for this game? I mean…our guys were getting beat up so much with absolutely NO calls made. I feel our guys really needed this win. They’ve worked for it over the past several games and I feel great compassion for them.

With that said, CDR is a BEAST. Welcome back Devin. I see you’ve returned with a team first frame of mind. Whew!! I hope Brook gets in a kick-ass mindset now since he gets called for so many fouls anyway. Give them something to really foul you about. SEAN WILLLIAMS WAS A GAME CHANGER TODAY!!! I love Sean and Brook on the court together. As many of you have predicted, they’re a great tandem match. I hope Bobby Simmons has more pressing matters that require his immediate return to Chicago…or Russia. I have major respect for (some) Nets team members. Their time will seriously come and I hope they savor it richly. I know I will. GO NETS!!!

Guys, we lost the game because of lack of defense and no rebounding.

How do you give Duhon a lane to drive twice in the last 2 minutes, and then not get the ball when you’re right in front of the basket. And somebody messed up on their rotation since Harrington was wide open for 3 #$#%@!

Props to the developing TWill too! He makes rookie mistakes, but he makes vet moves too. He’ll reach a balance. GO NETS!!

I knew the Nets were going to be bad this year. I didn’t expect them to be this bad.

Frank has to go. I know the Nets have suffered from injuries, swine flu, bad luck.etc…but in the end the Coach has to take the fall.

This team can’t defend down the stretch, they can’t get big rebounds, they can’t make big shots, they can’t do the little things it takes to win a damn game…Nets can’t even beat the crappy Knicks, however at least the Knicks have a real coach.

It’s so sad that this Franchise is going to smash the record for worst start of the season…probably end up smashing the NBA record for most losses in a season!!!…
No team wants to be the first to lose to this laughing stock of an NBA team….0-82 here we come…

Frank…Nets coach for LIFE…

frank started his career with the nets with a streak of 13-0 and finished it 0-13

We got one shot to win. Lopez and Swat together. It’s simply the best we got. This game to me came down to offensive rebounds 11-3 Knicks. Why? Simmons and Hassel played 53 min. Swat and Boone played 25 min. Fratello talked about blocked shots and where they come from. He didn’t say it verbatim but I think he meant from the help defender. If you only have 1 big in the game who’s giving you the help?

@ Pegs

“I give it until February for Sean to screw this up. I’m hoping he doesn’t, and maybe he can help us in a trade (he’s not staying here, obviously). But I lost all hope for him a while ago.”

It’s amazing how the one hope we have you can’t see but it’s not surprising. You can’t watch Simmons foul Speights and after reading a box score, you still can’t figure out what happened.

Points to Ponder : 1)I feel that certain gestures by players should be considered as Technical Fouls such as the Dagger (Twisting) through the Heart by Al Harrington after he made that three pointer…..Wouldn’t “jumping for joy” be more appropriate……2)Our players get beat up on the court by opposing teams because frank gets “ZERO RESPECT” from the refs..It’s been like this since he has been in charge…I feel the ref’s would be a bit more cautious around “Bill Lambier”….Also , after listening to frank’s pregame interview on the Fan…I’ve come to the conclusion that he would be much better as a commentator or a Politician….3)It looks like Devin Harris is growing the Walt “Clyde” Frazier Sideburns…I guess , next he will be studying the Thesarus……4)Lopez needs to seriously hit the weghtroom and find a mean streak and use it…He is much too passive as a player….He needs to create an image for himself that makes opposing Centers worry that they will be going up against him….He is much ,much too nice for his size…..That’s all Folks…..

Alston 1-7 has broken down from too many minutes. Nice to see Devin back, with assists to the “New” center of the offense, Brook. If Sean can keep this up, he may just not end up bagging groceries next season. Things could be worse, WE could have Eddy Curry under contract instead of the Knicks. Let’s see what the next five games brings us, with Devin hopefully coming back strong, and maybe LEE returning as well. What about Hayes, Dooling, Battie and YI? OK, so we “write off” the first half of the season. Maybe we can play 500 ball for the second half? GO NETS!

So is Yi done for the season or something? Seems like everyone has forgotten he exists.

If we beat the Lakers I will forgive the Nets for all these losses :D

Hey Andy……I think it should read that JKIDD started off frank’s career at 13-0 and frank is ending it at 0-13…..But I would like to say that for more than five years(I believe that I was a Charter Member of the frank must go club)I wanted frank to be gone……I love the Net’s and I want to see them win again…And this will happen once he is gone…I actually want them to lose games now (But play competitively) so there is more chance of him going….But how much can we as fan’s suffer ? I don’t even want to win one game under him because certain Net’s Fan’s will then make him out to be some sort of Hero…..“frank Happens”

The relevant stat line of the day:
John Wall – 21 points (8-12 from the floor, 5-6 from the stripe), 11 assists and 6 rebounds in 35 min

DeMarcus Cousins – 18 points (7-10 from the floor, 4-7 from the stripe), 6 boards, 5 blocks in 15 min

Greg Monroe – 13 points (6-10 from the floor, 1-4 from the line), 7 boards, 2 assists, 0 blocks in 24 minutes

I really think we need to go with Cousins in the draft. Pairing him and Lopez in the paint would be deadly. Obviously getting “stuck” with Wall isn’t so bad either!

On the positive side, the Nets would have never gotten this much attention nationally if they had won a couple of games.
Thanks to the 0-13 start,the status quo in Brooklyn, crappy owner Ratner, the sad Izod and Prokhorov the Nets are becoming the lovable losers of the NBA.

I just want to say: Thank you Ratner, you’ve managed to run a franchise into the ground within 5 years. Now “your” team is reduced to selling reversible t-shirts with Lebron and Miley Cyrus on the flipside.

@Ryan 243 Says:
S.Williams beef with L.Frank is no big deal. After Frank leaves next year S.Williams will stay. As far as your comments he needs more minutes today. Are you aware he was in for 15 minutes however, he fouled out. So more minutes could not come his way when you are not allowed to play with only 6 fouls. Of course three of his fouls were bad calls by the clowns known as refs. Ryan, J.Alexander is not what the team needs. You keep on forgetting the needs are starting PF and Back up center. Oh another item of brilliant thought, T.Hassell starting today is a joke. He cannot jump to save his life. the game has passed him by. (Bench) J.Hayes when healthy at the starting three. Yes with the second unit your boy T.Williams. 1st. Unit: D.Harris/PG C.D-Roberts/SG J.Hayes/SF B.Lopez/C J.Boone/PF 2nd. Unit: K.Dooling/PG C.Lee/SG T.Williams/SF Now you have balance in scoring in bopth units and even L.Frank could not screw this up with this lienup when healthy. 12 minutes a quarter.

I want a reversible T-Shirt with Frank on one side and (any of you guys have any thoughts for the other side)…LOL…This should be good…..I’ll save my ideas for awhile…..Let’s see who here can win the "Yormark of the Year " award……

@ Mr. Big

Sean has done this in the past. History tends to repeat itself. He’ll likely find a way to screw this up – if not, I hope we trade him for something useful

@ Pegs…….I hope that doesn’t come true…..He seems to play and fit better at the Power Forward position…..Maybe Sean is finally maturing and a New Coach can bring out the Best in him……Frank hasn’t exactly been his best friend….

Sean hasn’t exactly shown a reason for Frank to trust him.

…or for anyone to trust him, for that matter.

You have to look at the Nets over an 18 month period. You can’t evaluate them after 1 month. Wait for a healthy roster. Wait to see how our young guys develop. Wait to see where our record ends up landing us in the lottery. Wait to see if Dallas falls apart (netting us another lottery pick). Wait to see who we draft with our 2 first rounders. Wait to see if we pull another CDR out of the hat in the 2nd round. Then see what our roster looks like on July 1st and what our salary cap space is. Then if we sign a decent free agent. The fun stuff is ahead of us. Just be patient.

@Ryan 243 Says:
After the sale of the Nets to Prokhorov there will be no Ratner to yell at anymore. Mr. Ratner will only own 10% of the team. What that means he will not have control on final decision votes regarding the team. The other two main players will be making the decisions so don’tsweat it because both these guys are very and mean very smart. Another reminder the team of J.Kidd & company was over when we lose twice in the finals. So give credit to Rod/Kiki on changing the face of the team in two years. Changing the roster with 14 out 15 new players. T.Williams is here now because of Rod/Kiki your boy wonder as you seem to think he is. He is a good player and probably a good character guy. Give also credit to Mr. Ratner because he does listen to Rod/Kiki and other current owner whom know what their doing. Mr. Ratner would not be this successful if he did not listen other peoples judgement. Ryan243 keep on rooting and learning about the Nets more. You seem like a true solid fan that is trying. Go Brooklyn Nets! Go Brooklyn Nets!

@Netsfan48 Says:
“Yormark of Year Award”
Is it a vacation in St. Barts?

I Win!
My answer is L.Frank on oneside and B.Yormark on the other.
After L.Franks $4.5million dollar contract is over. You can bet both of these guys will be working together somewhere at the same desk. Ouch! Nets fans sorry.

Did I win?

All I can say is this is going to a long, long season. The refs were horrible tonight but out defense was horrible too. Knicks had way too many open shots and rebounds with no one on the Nets blocking out. No way you are going to win like that, even against the Knicks. Our only hope for a win this month is Sacramento!!

Correction – I meant “our defense”

NetFan48 Says:
Yes if I was made coach, S.Williams would be at PF and would become more effective. I would bring in a top flight PF whom is retired to help teach S.Williams the better side of the game. Its obvious that L.Frank and the assistants are not getting through to him. He is lose because he is not taught right. I also would have Ryan 243 in front court seats next to our bench so I can stare him down with thumbs up about my lineups he questions that would not work. Ryan 243 Think G.Monroe/PF and C.Aldrich/C This is the right need picks for this team to be 12 man solid young team. Also watch Syracuse in college how they play. They are sick and are going to be a top 8 team by the end of the year. Even that crazy B.Knight likes them and holds them to a high regard. He may be crazy but he really knows todays game just like he knew the past. Only coach whom went undefeated and won the NCAA Championship. I think 34-0 Go Brooklyn Nets! Go Brooklyn Nets!

@Joanne Says:
You know the game better then most.
Our guys were tenative on defense because of the refs making so many bad calls. They tried however, the fouls called on S.Williams, B.Lopez were joke like the fix was in for that other sorry team known as the NYKnicks. Walsh is out of touch with today’s game and D’Antoni style only works when teams play no defense against him. Well, the last time I looked the team that plays defense wins championships. When he was in Phoenix it worked because all the other teams at that time played no defense. The west got strong and he left to come to the east were he thought it was weak. Well, Cleveland,Orlando, Boston and even Chicago all play better defense in the east. System is outdated. The Knicks have young talent it is the system that is no longer going to work in today’s game. W.Chandler is asolid three guy and will dominate in a system other then D’Antoni’s. So will T.Douglas, E.Curry, J.Hill and D.Lee. Go Brooklyn Nets! Go Brooklyn Nets!

@ Pegs

Why are you so down on Swat? Would it be so bad to get a new coach who plays Swat at PF (his best position) and it pans out? Although he’s got into alot of trouble imo it all amounts to an immaturity thing off the court and being misused on it. They both have their share of blame but I don’t think it’s a lost cause if things go right. If we keep losing at this rate, the most likely person to be held responsible would be the coach (justified or not). A new coach will look for answers and try something new. To me the best 15 minutes we had this year was against Miami (a very good team) on the road and they got lucky. And they only played 15 MINUTES together.

Sean has served up a lot of disappointment. I’m not ready to get excited about him again, just for another letdown.

A new coach seems inevitable, so we’ll see what happens when they get one. Unless, of course, they wait until after the season ends.

@Ryan243 Says:

They are not trying to showcase B.Simmons for a trade. They have injuries and have to use him. No team will take him because he makes 10 million dollars this year. Did I say 10 million dollars? He is not a talent. He shoots threes and is very lazy on defense. Scores twenty and gives up twenty. That is not talent. Once J.Hayes is healthy for the three spot you won’t even see this guy in a game. Besides your T.Williams is in the rotation ahead of him at the three behind J.Hayes. Now I ask, does B.Simmons have any game near as solid as T.Williams? Go Brooklyn Nets! Go Brooklyn Nets!

The problem with this team is lack of leadership. Sure, the Knicks don’t have a born leader either, but they as a team are having their own problems.

Devin Harris is a talent, Lawrence Frank is a talented basketball mind, T-Will has potential and CDR and Brook Lopez have a great combination of youthful exuberance, talent and heart. On top of that Yi and Courtney Lee could prove to be very good complimentary players contributing to a bigger picture. Though, all these players find themselves in the same boat, finding themselves, with their ceilings not matching their current contributions.

Even an equally unproven and seemingly equally skilled team like the Bucks has Scott Skiles on the bench, who recently asked Brandon Jennings, “Do you know who holds the record for most assists in a game?”. Jennings guess was John Stockton, to which Skiles replied, “No. It’s me.”. Leadership.

I just don’t see where the leadership going to come from with this team.

Dirts right…

Well, the only thing that can go wrong now is us not winning the lottery and not choosing John Wall.

I sort of agree with Dirt. But that’s a problem we’ll face once we get everyone back from injury. Right now, the problem is not having enough good players – namely, shooters. We’ll see when we get there.

Also, we will never re-hire Byron Scott. And I’m glad we won’t. We’ll see what happens when Frank leaves.

Hey guys, Frank is doing a great job. Today was another moral victory. The Nets are now 8 – 5 in terms of moral wins/losses. /sarcasm

It sucks that we are 0 and 13, but I actually still believe in this team and still think we have a bright future. I have never liked Coach Frank and think we will be significantly better if we can bring in a better coach…Dirt is right, L.Frank is not the natural leader we need. I’d like someone with some precense and some snarl, obviously someone that knows the X’s and O’s as well. I think the players on this team are craving some structure and some understanding of what it takes to succeed, what their role is. But beyond that, I just looked at the box score and noticed that the Knicks had the whole starting lineup with double figures and the Nets only had CDR and Brook in double figures. The players aren’t getting baskets in the flow of the game, because some of these guys are just terrible and cannot score even in the non pressure situations. Guys like Rafer, Simmons, and yes Boone/Swat are missing, missing missing. You need guys who can sink shots. Once we replace Rafer with Dooling/Harris, we replace Hassell and Simmons with Lee and Hayes, and we use one of Boone/Swat in spurts with some other power forward that can provide some offense – hopefully Yi, if not, free agent to be named later…we will start to win these types of games. If we just had decent shot making we would have at least 4 or 5 wins so far this season…without adding anything else to any other facets of the game. Just making the wide open clear looks at an average percentage. As of now with CDR playing so well and TWill coming along, Ryan A. would be more valuable to this team than Lee. But we are not playing for a title this year, so hopefully we can fill in the PF spot by next season and start to win again.

Alright…How about NOTHING on the other side of my reversible frank jersey ?…How about the Invisible Man ?…or Howdy Doody or Opie or a Real Coach ??…How about 0-13 ??

I’m not saying the leader of this team NEEDS to be the coach. Lawrence Frank would be a fine coach and somewhat of a role player if he could coach Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Paul, KG, etc. Right now with this group he needs to be the leader and he’s not.

When Frank took over for Scott the team rattled off what, a dozen wins? For a coach like Frank, that was the right place and the right time. With this collection of players at this time, he’s in the wrong place at the wrong time. That’s no knock on his abilities or his coaching. He and his players just don’t match.

The problem is that a talented basketball mind doesn’t make a coach. Some of you need to take out the dictionary and do a search for the word “coach”. Blah blah blah blah blah doesn’t make a coach. A coach who never translated his knowledge into whoever he’s coaching is by logic a failure.
How long has it been since we made the excuse of players not listening to Frank’s preaching? It’s always been the same. Maybe you have to accept the possibilities that no NBA players buy coach, not just a particular group.

Could Mike Brown come in here and turn this team around? I don’t think so.

Could Phil Jackson, as talented as he is, turn this team around around at his age and current motivation level? Nope.

Could Mike Woodson ditch Atlanta and make this Nets team go 11-2 and turn them into a .500 team? I sincerely don’t think it’s possible.

It’s going to take a special talent to come in here and change this team. That special talent may come by way of free agency, a star coach being signed or picking up a stud draft pick. Unfortunately, that special talent is not here right now.

“That’s no knock on his abilities or his coaching. He and his players just don’t match.”

And whose fault is that? Hmmm…

All these Boone supporters are killin’ me. He started the game with a great offensive move, so I thought he might play well today. Following his only offensive success in his life were three horrific defensive battles with Danillo. His defense was flat-out awful against a soft player like Gallinari. And S.Williams played crucial minutes, so I don’t understand why everyone is all worked up about his PT. He is playing much harder than Brook, but his foul trouble limits his productivity.

did you see the instant impact he had when he stepped onto the court? Two easy alley-oops, a couple of nice drives, an acrobatic bank shot, etc.

frank’s abilities have never matched any players abilities since he has been here….That’s the Point…Players and Referees and other Coaches have no respect for him and never will…..That’s just how it is……He may be good at a level (High School) where players still fear their coaches for under achieving or feel that they can learn something from him…..And be assured , NO , I said NO STAR PLAYERS are going to come here while he is the Coach….I just can’t see Lebron dribbling down the court and taking his eye off of the game that is in front of him because frank is SCREAMING OUT AN ORDER TO HIM……." PLAY # 3,602.5 , C’MON LEBRON , PASS THE BALL"……LOL…

And firing Frank won’t solve anything. We’ll still have Josh Boone and Bobby Simmons in the rotation – probably the two worst starters in the NBA right now. The most legendary coach couldn’t help Boone hit a 5 foot jump shot. Fratello said it best – when you win in the NBA, the players get credit. When you lose, it all lands on the coach.

Patience can really pay off in the future. Look at Doc Rivers or Mike Woodson. Both the Celtics and Hawks had bad records & poor players. Many fans probably wanted them axed after poor seasons. However, once free agents and draft picks turned both squads around, Woodson & Rivers were successful. Who knows if Frank will survive this poor start, but if given a talented roster, I think he can lead the Nets back to a deep playoff run in the near future.

Brook Lopez is starving for Role Model / Coach…..He needs Bill Lambier….I never was a Fan of Lambier and the Bad Boy Pistons but I feel that he would make a Great Coach….Loves to Win ,Hates to Lose and takes no Crap from no one….

I am a firm believer of great teams having a leader on the court and the bench……A player who everyone respects and listens to and loves to win….This makes a Coach look great…(ie…Doc Rivers) , But we will never have that player while we have a Loud Mouth Control Freak Screaming and Running on the Sidelines for every play…..Must I name names….

@Dziedic – I love how you like to attack me. I could care less if we win 10 games this year. This season is all about next season and the future. Its called rebuilding. They are stuck with lots of crap on this roster. Thats part of the rebuilding process. And as for Sean fouling out in 15 minutes – 2 or 3 fouls were result of horrible officiating. The guy brought effort. Even with a return to health – unless Sean screws up which is possible – he will keep playing.

I would love to see us take Monroe and Aldrich so I can watch them suck next year and blow it in your face. Monroe is a soft big. Not what this team needs now or in the future.

I can’t remember the last time I saw the Nets play well in a 1 pm start. Maybe someone knows when it was but I bet it was 2006 or earlier.

Bring in Patrick Ewing

He’d be great mentor for Brook and he’s been working his butt of trying to become a head coach.

I also have to say it is just pathetic that we have only CDR, Brook, Josh and Sean shooting better than 41% Hassell and Yi are between 40 and 41. The rest of the team is under 40%. I think there is about $40 million in salary shooting under 40%. Maybe they can start a club : 40 under 40 or something like that.

“Nets remain empty as skid hits 13” (above article ) includes an interesting post-game audio interview with CDR. CDR’s pain is almost palpable and his sentiments are probably felt by most of his team members: What’s it gonna take for a win for this team? I hope our young Nets don’t get too bewildered by this losing streak and let apathy creep into their performance. I hope they all go hard each game anyway. DON’T GIVE UP NETS!! Your fans respect your effort totally.

Good coaches survives when they were bad, and this doesn’t
mean Bad coaches could survives when they were bad, too.

Reason why The Nets are 0-13
a) Josh Boone ain’t no Dirk and he’s to moppy
b) Rafer Alston can’t shoot his way out of the hudson river
c) Trenton Hassell is Trenton Hassell (also can’t believe this guy is in the NBA)
d) con’t from A Josh Boone can’t shoot from in or out and sucks on defense
e) The Nets highest paid bum Bobby Simmons (10.6 Million) ain’t nowhere the level of Richard Jefferson

A new nickname for Bobby Simmons should be Bummy Simmons

Don’t worry the Coach has been fired to bad nobody can tell him in Russian

@ Mr. Big:

“Simmons and Hassel played 53 min. Swat and Boone played 25 min.”

Brook had 5 fouls with about 5 minutes left, and Seam Willimas fouled out in his short time too. The Nets do not have quality bigs at all outside of Lopez, who is young and makes a lot of mistakes.

Everybody, me included, gets psyched when Sean Williams comes in, bounces around and blocks shots, grabs boards. But he has 0 offensive game, makes a lot of mistakes, and fouls out incredible quick. The Nets need more – much more that what they have on the roster.

Yi, Boone, S. Williams, whatever. These guys are bit players with gaping holes in their games. Very hard to win of they play significant minutes (unless you got Kobe).

What we’re seeing this year is how much Vince Carter was and is underrated by both fans and experts. He is the difference between winning 41% of their games and so far winning 0%. Even if they somehow recover, they are unlikely to come close to 41% this year. Now, injuries to Harris and to a much lesser extent Yi have contributed to their woes, but even the presence of Harris, when he has played (such as today), has not really helped.

Saturday’s game featured a lineup similar to some used last year (no Ryan Anderson and Dooling, but with the advantage that the young players are older), yet the Nets lack of a closer (and playmaker) like Carter is costing them dearly. It will be ironic if Ryan Anderson and Carter lead Orlando to a championship.

Netssince76, true, the winless streak playing without VC is now 26, this must be some kind of record….Vc’s line against Celtics last night was 26 6. And 6 with 2 blocks

Hey, the Bucks WON again tonight WITHOUT BOUGUT.
I guess they actually have a team that doesn’t use injury as an excuse.
Let’s think:
all-star Harris (25mins), CDR, Lopez, Hassell, TWill, Swat, Simmons, and Boone.

vs.

Jennings, Ridnour, Bell, Defino, LLyavosa, Meeks, Warrick, K.Thomas..etc. (Don’t think after the facts; think about what actually did last season).

Are the Nets really “that” inferior to that roster —if at all?????? Jennings, Ridnour, Bell are better than Lopez, CDR, half Harris, and Twill? If you think so, I think we have to rethink our appeal to Lebron or Wade.

at least were gettin national attention?

This is not about a good coach coming in. Right now under Frank the perception is NETS could not win. Right now that is an issue in winning games. They need a new coach to start something positive. Players gets tired and coaches gets tired too they need to be relieve but in reality that is not going to happen in NBA, unless we have a Mark Cuban guy who comes in and throw him out for the love of the game. So this is not anymore about retaining this guy cause he still do a decent job, but it’s because the NETS are just too poor to make a move. With Frank everything seems to get complicated.
I don’t think he himself believe they can win and develope as a good team. His time is up and he knows that.

Is there something wrong with ESPN? Why isn’t “Nets fire head coach Lawrence Frank” on the ticker??? Or am I to assume this clown still has a job?

Anybody notice any trends in the offense? Such as…

1. Bobby Simmons hits the bench.
2. Nets go on a run.
3. Bobby Simmons comes off the bench.
4. Knicks go on a run.
5. Repeat until time expires.
6. Nets lose.

And why in the last 2 minutes did Opie have Brook and Devin double team Duhon, leaving Lee wide open? Weren’t the two of them running pick and rolls all game? I guess double teaming Duhon, letting him dish it right to Lee and taking out the “pick” part of the equation speeds up the loss? It’s like 3 seasons overdue… WHEN IS FRANK GETTING FIRED?!?!

I believe if we get more fans in attendance to cheer on the team they can do better. We need to promote the Paperfast coupon. Does anyone even know if they’re still doing that or what the password is??

@jb,

I don’t think it was a double team, it looked like Harris played poor defense, and Lopez tried to help and got caught out of position. Since he had 5 fouls, he let Lee score the easy lay-up. Both Harris and Lopez played it poorly, and Lee had a nice uncontested lay-up.

@smp369
Boone had been playing really well (and I mean REALLY WELL) prior to the Orlando game. Then Frank started forgetting about the kid because it was small ball / matchup time: Pacers, Magic, Knicks… those are teams that play small, so Opie couldn’t pass the opportunity to adjust to them (you know, we don’t have an identity and things like that) and play that disgraceful player Simmons is at the 4. Boone (and noone on this team) can’t do any worse than this bum.

Stop making excuses: Frank is gone. There’s no way he survives much longer. We’re falling to 0-18. Say good by to Larry “Coach of the Year Candidate” Frank!

The Swat haters need to give the kid a break. He’s making a positive impact for this team. I understand that some of you don’t want to get excited yet because the kid has disapponted us in the past, but expecting him to screw this up is a bit pathetic.

okay, now i see we are pursuing the ‘’Worst start in NBA history’’

i just cant believe we lost to NY.

Lame, sad, shamefull game :(

We got hammered :D

i say we just give up the next games. so we can land on #1 pick

we wont win more than 15 games anyway.

:D :D :D

I think it must be noted how well CDR is doing…he can score anyway he wants…he is proving to be our starting SG of the future. so fun watching him score 20+ at will..

What a game? 0-13? NICE!!!!!!

For all those think that Frank should stay, This game shows you that Frank isnt going to help this team.

Funny how Harris gets back into the lineup, and Frank reverts right back to his usually ways, SMALL BALL, Simmons at PF. Frank is an idiot. Simmons was semi-productive at SF and needs to only play SF. I dont get it.

Another thing, FRANK IS AN IDIOT. We have been playing with 8 men for weeks now, WHY WOULD YOU PLAY ALSON, HARRIS, and TWILL ON THE COURT TOGETHER? ALL YOUR PGs ON THE COURT AT THE SAME TIME. LOL!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!

Granted I am not a big fan of Boone, but only 9 guys there is no reason why he didnt get more PT. Boone should be Lopez’ backup C. No excuse for him not got give Lopez a breather.

I could go on an on about this game.

I have a new theory on how to convince Thorn to get rid of Frank.

Thorn, if you respect and admire Frank so much, fire him or have him resign, because Thorn, as a friend, you wouldnt want Frank to have 0-18 on his resume.

CDR is starting to look like a mini Paul Pierce
CDR should play at SG with TWill at SF
Lee should come off the bench
SWill should be starting right now I think hes earned it
DH should start tuesday Rafers legs are DONE
I’m really starting to think the refs dont like the Nets
Someone has to stand up to these refs
it should be LFrank
he had the perfect opportunity Sat with the bad call on Brook
He should have thrown a chair like Bobby Knight
Ive never seen Frank MAD we have all seen him whine like a lil baby though.
Time for a new voice

if i was coach for the west coast trip…

harris/alston
cdr/lee
twill/hassell/simmons
swat/boone
brook/boone

and fudge that small ball crap!

@Andy

I would abolish the small ball strategy if i am the coach.

Jb

I thought that play where Lopez was showing out front and chasing the ball was very strange as well. IMO that was the pivotal play that lost the game when Lee used his position inside to score. If that was Frank’s design, then he ruined any chance for the team to win. Any rebuttal by Frank supporters?

Btw, I disagree about the Simmons complaints. Boone was getting burned by Galinari so he had to come out. Later, it was necessary to check Harrington with Simmons and Harrington didn’t really have an impact until he hit three (sorry, Al, but the Lee bucket won the game, not your self proclaimed dagger).

@ Well Well Well

While it doesn’t look pretty Swat is shooting 48% for the year. He gets a lot of fouls cuz he tries to cover a team of bad defenders pretty much by himself and could use a coach to refine his game. It’s a problem that could be correctable. Maybe with more PT he will learn to pace himself. I believe Boone and Swat are quality big men but with limited talent who are exposed by our coaches style. They are good at what I look for in big men, defenders and rebounders. If Opie starts Swat at PF, brings Boone off the bench and never plays Simmons or Hassel at PF we will be as competitive as can be.

I was just pointing out the fact that the number of fouls these guys had may have had somethng to do with minutes comparison you made, especually for Lopez.

I hardly see S. Williams amd Boone as solutions to the problem of losing games. It will make people happier because it’s not Simmons, who is done. But let’s face it, these guys are bit role players who will have to scratch and claw to be in the NBA as rebounders 5 fouls subs next year. They are so replaceable.

I just don’t get attached to talentless players just because my favorite team drafted them and I’ve rooted and hoped for them. Afer a few years, once I see what they got, which is very limited, then yeah play at this point since we got nobody else, but please Nets get better players. These guys ain’t good. There are about 5 or 6 players on the team at most who who could be on a winning team’s roster (mostly as subs).

Interesting – the Knicks are giving the Celtics one heck of a game.

@ Andy – if I was coach on the West Coast trip:

Starting PG: Devin Harris – Backup: Rafer Alston
Starting SG: Terrence Williams – Backup: Courtney Lee
Starting SF: Bobby Simmons – Backup: Chris Douglas-Roberts
Starting PF: Sean Williams – Backup: Josh Boone
Starting C: Brook Lopez – Backup: Tony Battie

Well Well Well Says:

“I was just pointing out the fact that the number of fouls these guys had may have had somethng to do with minutes comparison you made, especually for Lopez.”

Boone only had 1 foul and played 10 minutes and Sean only had 2 fouls at the half. There was clearly more time and earlier chances for both to play especially with a better rotation. Bottom line is we need these guys on the court together with Lopez more often. I don’t know how good we’ll be with them together but imo they are the best we got and if this coach is interested in saving his job, he needs to see it.

I am all for Andy’s starting line up………….

@ Randy Oreens – What exactly would Rafer Alston teach Terrence Williams how to do anyway that makes trading away Devin Harris such a good idea? Shoot every bad shot he can find? Turn the ball over in the final seconds of a one-possession game? We would have been much better off trading Vince Carter straight up for Courtney Lee, J. J. Redick, and Mickael Pietrus.

@ NetFan48 – My starting lineup goes together better.

@Ryan243 Says:

Now now if you like to meet at a game for drinks. Then we can talk more about our beloved Nets before we get Monroe and Aldrich next year. Bet on it we will get one of them to cove our needs. I am big on S.Williams and you are right about the calls in the game. Very Bad officiating. Keep up the improve focus in your writing about the Nets. Go Brooklyn Nets! Go Brooklyn Nets!