CDR Calls Out Teammates as Shorthanded Wiz Blast Harris-less Nets

Wow! Swat got in the game!

Oh, yeah. We lost. Again…

Andray Blatche just smoked Yi. I mean, he just flat out embarassed Yi

Ease…clam down…

Anyone here watched the game? I did. Was it just me or does the Nets really have no play calling done?

I mean it was all just a series of badly run pick and rolls. That’s it. That’s all we got. Am I missing something here? How did this happen?

Let me guess. Fire Frank?

How did Blatche embarrass Yi? Najara was on him most the time, and he was playing FANTASTIC D on him. Sometimes people just cant be stopped. Good offense beats good D 100% of the time. Just one of those nights.

Brook completely stops the offense every single time he gets the ball in the post. Its very frustrating to watch.

Fire Frank… now.

bad defense this game. Yi sucked. we better win at charlotte

SWill should be playing
his putback 2 handed dunk was sick
give him najeras minutes
Yi didnt have enough attempts neither did Brook
Why is Lee starting??
TWill took too many jumpers
These guys didnt attack the basket
What happened to the full court press?
Where is the D?
can we see some ZONE?
something?
CDR was hot but……
This team starts 2 7 footers!!!
act like its an advantage
feed them the ball
pick and roll
do something
Fire Frank. Let me coach
You can blame it on me if the team loses!

The Wizards can beat any team now. Agent 0 is back.
We lost completely.

Frank should resign! Please!

Alston,CDR,Lee…totally no D at all….fire Frank@@

SO DJHeavyDuty, we fire Frank, you coach, and what, you feed the ball to Brook every time so he can turn it over and/or take a forced shot?

Courtney Lee is OVERRATED. I can see why he was upset about leaving orlando, it’s easy to get exposed when you don’t have 3 all stars covering your tail

Kudos to CDR and Skip for showing up. CDR drops 20+ and gets to the line when Devin is out with injury, not shocking at ALL.

This team is a mess.

man…give the damn ball to our big guys!!! I am sick of CDR, Twill and LEE! No D, No Team Work.

NETS R OFFICIALY ONE OF THE WORST ORGANIZATIONS IN NBA!!! right when we thought yi was good, he is not he misses wide open jumpers, kristic never even missed jumpers. who cares if we have richest owner and money what player wants to come to the nets. we r not getting any FA and the best thing r team is good at is marketing and dancers. frank sucks

if we fire frank maybe we are better

Do NETS intentionally play for lost for 2010 draft? How did that come to lose Wizards over 20 points!

Don’t press the panic button yet…lets be honest we didn’t expect the Nets to go deep in the play offs this season, a realistic best case expectation would be 30 wins this season…as far as Yi’s performance he’s obviously going to have nights like this, to truly measure his growth we’ll need to see what he does in a 30 game span…so don’t feed him to the lions just yet.

I’m not a big SWill fan, but that dunk near the end was amazing. Of course, he then bobbles the ball out of play the next time down the court. It was a rough game to watch. A lot of missed defensive assignments. This is a young team. It’s going to be a long season. But there’s only one way to go from here!

This team can legitmately begin the season 1-10 or 2-18. I’m not even kidding. They shouldn’t even be in the NBA. They’ll without a doubt be the worst team in the NBA this year, but I doubt we’ll get the first pick. We’ll probably fall and a team from the west like Phoenix who doesn’t get in will miraculously win the lottery. I predict the Nets to finish with around 20-25 wins at best. Maybe they can get to 25-30ish if Dooling, Hayes, and Harris come back strong.

Alston didn’t look too bad today at all. If he had an off night shooting and didn’t drive as much as he did, the Nets may have lost by as many as 35 or 40 points. So nice job by the 33-year old.

Chris-Douglas Roberts also played well. Nice line. His defense was so-so

Courtney Lee’s stats look nice tonight but I really wasn’t impressed. Again he missed way too many open shots. good foul shooter though..

For the first time ever I question if Brook lopez will be a starting center in this league. Another awful game. maybe the minnesota game was a fluke. he was so-so during preseason and he’s been awful so far this season. he better get his act together fast

Yi was the Yi of last year. He tried driving to the basket (hip-hip hooray, all praise Yi) but he sucked when he did. he got embarassed by Blatche and Haywood. HOW MANY DUNKS IS THIS TEAM GOING TO ALLOW THIS YEAR? THE OTHER TEAMS ARE AVERAGING LIKE 20 DUNKS A GAME ON US…

T-Will’s shooting was AWFUL… 3-12 … energy wasnt tehre tonight from him.

At least NAJERA gave some effort… didnt really shoot much though (good thing). decent defensively …

SWAT! I wanted him to play most of the 2nd half. It was garbage time from 3 minutes into the third. He did O.K. – but again he deserves more playing time . If they brought him in while Blatche was still in i wouldve liked to see him knock him on his ass …

Boone = w/e … he made a jump shot, right? 10/10

@fplc
Agent 0 is back. Don’t forget Wizards beat Dallas 4 days ago.
And I am very upset the Nets has no defense, no teamwork, no rebound, and maybe no coaching…

@ jose_rizal

Brian Hill isn’t the assistant coach anymore…

Fine, i’m done with this team, I should not have any hope about them. John Hollinger is really right, this team will be the last in the world. I wish the Nets the best to get the no.1 pick next year.

Frank will not be fired until the new boss comes.
It sucks.Tragedy!
I believe he has given up to design any attacking tactics for Brook and Yi.Let the guard to drive. That’s all!

God this team is awful. Let’s face facts. Yi will NEVER be a consistant player. I don’t care if he has one or two solid games in 20. Brook is still very young and a bit overhyped creating his own shot. CDR was a second round draft pick. I don’t care if he puts up soft points for a lousy team, we don’t know if he’s a legit player yet. Then, there are an abundance of pure scrubs, just complete non-factors who don’t deserve their contracts. I’ll spare the names. Blame the coach all you want, but it’s not really his fault. I’ve always felt more games are won and lost in assembling the talent/roster.

Oh yeah, and so far not overly impressed by Lee. In fact, I think I’d rather have Ryan Anderson back. Why they included him in that trade is still beyond me. I don’t care if Orlando insisted, they would have blinked first, believe me.

Fire Frank!!!

Look, we’ve got two guys who went to the finals last year, one guy who is just about to become a perennial All-star, one guy who is the best player in China (which is a big country), a couple of guys who are young with a lot of energy, one guy who can play good D and is a bruiser, and one guy who gets injured a lot but is a heck of a player. With all those guys, we’re bound to be good eventually, right?

@ PA

“I’m not a big SWill fan, but that dunk near the end was amazing. Of course, he then bobbles the ball out of play the next time down the court.”

- Yeah that put back slam was nice, but then the very next play he bobbles a pass and results to a turnover. I was like LOL what was I thinking.

WE GOT SPANKED. HARD to watch

@ Sebastian Pruiti

OOoooh. Brian Hill, yeah, forgot about him. Thanks for the info. I mean seriously, it was all just pick and rolls. Over and over and over again. And it almost never really worked. Frustrating.

I think we played horribly tonight, no offense, no defense, it was just plain bad basketball. Our offense isn’t running through our bigs enough, especially Brook. When he do get the ball is usually on the high post, and not the low post, thats the major problem. We should’ve posted-up Brook in the paint, not when he’s 18ft away from the basket. He didn’t get any pick and roll passes… I see him and Yi roll to the basket all the time, but no one passed the ball to either of them.

I think our guards shoots to much, and not utilizing our bigs effectively. Our bench is horrible as always, well compare to last year, it’s like heaven and hell. Our bench was decent last year, we had a lot of shooters who made a lot of 3s, and contributed a lot to the team. Too bad one of them got traded away, and two of them are injured. As the remaining players on our bench are garbage.

I still don’t see what’s so great about Najera. If we continue to play the way we did tonight, I wont be surprise if my predictions during the summer came true…. winning 21-25 games.

Well at least we can get a high pick if we do win that many games. We just have to hope the Mavs lose too from now on.

no communication out there tonight – just 5 guys taking shots – and missing. Without a veteran leader in the locker room to calm things down, this season will be over before we play the Celtics.

“jose_rizal Says:
October 31st, 2009 at 9:37 pm

Anyone here watched the game? I did. Was it just me or does the Nets really have no play calling done?"

I have been saying this since the preseason, the Nets run NO SEMBLANCE of an offense. There is no identity

Are we a low post banging team that feeds the big men, or do we just chuck from the perimeter with the wings and PG?? WTF

Frank needs to go. NOW.

Lee is definitely over rated. It’s easy to look good on a final team with Howard. A bunch of young inexperienced players playing on their own and no D are not going to win games. Atrocious game plan and play calling. Frank really had no control over his players.

@fastbreak
I agree with you.
Everyone wants to make shots. No teamwork at all.

@PA Net

Short answer is no.

Play Swat! If Frank doesn’t want to, trade a pick (preferably the Warriors’ 2011 protected) for Van Gundy or M. Brown pronto, Rod!

So depressing

You mean it’s not Devin’s fault?

OMG THIS GUY DANILLO GALINNARI ON KNICKS IS AMAZING

FIRE frank!!
We need jvg

The Wizards are a team that has real young talent. Lee is average at best, they were just hyping him to get the Nets to give up RA. JKidd deal almost 10 years ago and VC deal 5, other than that, nothing, this is the mess Thorn has put together. Proky can’t get here fast enough to put an end to this incompetence.

20 wins only if they’re very lucky. great job thorn.

@drmagoo – are you JOHN H. under an assumed name?

@bill – the Magic very much DID NOT want to get rid of Lee, which should tell you something about the type of career he has in front of him.

How is Lee is overated? Besides his shooting being streaky he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do.
I know none of you geniuses expected the 2nd coming of MJ or something.

Just got home from a date, so the fact that I am home, alone, is bad enough, but this news stinks. Someone named BLATCHE drops 30 on us, and YI shoots 2-10, and Devin is out for 10 days. Proky, you are our only hope…

From CDR’s twitter.. and I agree.

“cdouglasroberts We have to develop a toughness to be a good team. We have to protect each other.If they hard foul me,somebody MUST hard foul them!”

Is it twisted that I sometimes like to see the Nets lose like this?

Maybe it’s just b/c it’s part of my sick fantasy in which Lawrence Frank actually gets fired.

Does anyone think that if the Nets go like 2-20 in the first month of play that Frank will get fired…. or is he set for life being a worthless coach?

And when did the Wiz land Flip?! What a great coach to have.

now that we have prokhorov would we be willing to get rid of Frank and pay the remainder of his salary to pick up a new coach? maybe one thats good at developing players?

im sure prok is gonna want to go to lebron and be like

“Look, we got a great, young, talented team here. We went 7-75 last year, sure, but I mean look at some of our youngsters. Harris averaged 15 and 8 (cough cough in 39 games cough cough). Lee is getting better (35% FG). Yi is only getting embarassed every other night now instead of every night. Brook’s travelling violations per game is down to 5.34…”

This team has talent but its not enough for us to win ball games. Is it worth it to have a losing season just so we can possibly land a big name free agent next year?

@tim
No put brook above the ft line and yi post
Brook can shoot 15ft jumpers and vice versa
The ball wasn’t moving and neither were players
Guards chuckin up shots lee and twill
They have to use the big as a screen and curl off
Its a hand off pass that you can’t turn over
Basketball 101

there is this guy that coached dallas back when harris was with them….. whats the name…… oh yeah Avery Johson!!

Get Avery Johson Please!!!!!!

But still we cant put all the crap on Frank, the team is not responding and Harris-Jayes are out

we need to start Twill and bring CDR as 6th man

Good hustle, good game CDR. Hope there’s no problem from the hard fall you took tonite. Wish everybody played with your energy.

Lotta games left though. Go Nets!!

FIRE FRANK how you waste each play like 20 of 24 seconds and dont execute at all or get a good shot make plays for terrence williams and let him run that pick and roll with lopez idiot frank thank god hes done that midget!

All I’m thinking about now is stats, 2010 offseason, and John Wall.

Play swat!

CDR sounds really p*ssed.
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/10/netsss_loose.html

No Harris, dooling , Hayes and Battie. Not good. I was hoping NETS get a complete lineup for the first 20 games and see how they perform. But it doesn’t matter , I still doubt they are going to win. This just make Frank blameless for now. The team is very unfortunate , but this guy is very lucky to be in this situation and people will take easy on him. I still believe he is the Jinx has nothing to do with his ability. I still remember the game they won when he got technical and was thrown out, I wish Bick bavetta officiate every NETS game just to irk Frank and maybe he get banned from coaching in NBA. I know this is not a scientific approach, that’s the style of Frank, too much experiment I think he “out experimented” already Thomas Edison invention of light. Just wondering if Frank is somehow related to this guy. If I am correct then an NBA ring is not possible, most likely a Nobel Prize.

Newsflash to all: we are GOING to get a top 10 draft pick next year, unless we trade for Bosh by the trade deadline.

yesterday i predicted the Nets will go 4-12 by end of Nov… i am sorry to have been so optimistic

Been a Nets Fan since the DC era. As Mr. Dollar Bill says this Team is a Mess. My low win total for the Nets this year before preseason was 26, now it is my high win total for the nets. During the Bradley, Pack, Gill era I always felt at least there trying to put a winning team on the floor……
On paper you can make alot of good points but when this group is on the floor its horrific. More then half the team (and they know it) are not going to be back here next year, while the rest is relatively young. It always feels like hey we lost but CDR had a good game, or Lopez had a good game or T-Will had a good game. The truth is one young pup will have a good game ever so often but as a team there is no consistency.
Frank would be a good asst coach breaking down tape and really if this really continues through December, what kind of an example does it set no firing the coach. I feel that Ratner would not want to Fire Frank and pay two salaries this year for coaches.
One question that I really has had me thinking. Was obtaining Yi really a marketing move? I always laughed and thought nah, but really now I feel that it is….

at Mike L:

“Frank would be a good asst coach breaking down tape”

This has been obvious since DAY ONE. The fact that he is still an NBA head coach 5 years is downright unbelievable. personal feelings about him aside, it is just so blatantly obvious how overmatched he is at this occupation and yet they keep bringing him back for more. Byron Scott was not a great coach when he was here (although he has gotten better) but aside from the brilliance of Kidd, we are were able to get to 2 NBA Finals under him because a) he commanded som respect from his players, opponents and league officials because of what he had accomplished as a player and b) he had a great coaching staff and i’m sure Frank helped them prepare. But he took a few too many steps up the ladder and the team has totally regressed under him year after year.

Quote of the day;

“Good offense beats good D 100% of the time”.

Sad

Anyone else think they arent trying?
Lopez’s Defense has decreased by big numbers…do the nets coaching staff work on helping them play D?
Sean Williams is the only guy who can play decent D, Lopez I dont know whats up with him. We need Bobby, Jarvis, Trenton and Dooling when he gets back to be our bench thats how we will score with there second players against our bench.
Frank needs to be gone its a given I dont know if Thorn is good friends with Frank but this isnt about personal issues here this is strictly buisness.
C.Lee everyone acted like was this great thing..NEWS FLASH, Ryan Anderson is better. Lee averaged 8 points last year!
The team will work out bad the cap space wont be as good because we will have to sign a free agent next year in the top 10 might even be number 1.
RIP the contendor NJ Nets 02-07 after 07 they just didnt care anymore.

CDR is right. Forget win totals for the season. We all realistically expect 24-27. But we have to start developing a culture and chemistry for this team. Its not gonna happen overnight but we do need for this to happen throughout this season.

Right now we are are a team with a bunch of young talent on the floor. Thats it. Just 5 guys as if they just got together to play a pickup game.

That culture is not going to happen under Frank!
There has never been a player with a tough-minded freaky attitude developed under Frank, because Frank’s presence inhibits this kind of players. Frank is TOO CONCERNED with players doing the “RIGHT” things by the book, so you’ll never see a player going all out in reckless style on the floor. Let alone developing the rough players who’d retaliate something like CDR’s incident.
Frank wants his players to be a bunch of goodies goodies. He punishes those wild ones who’d actually step in and protect other players (I’m talking about Swat, for instance). Trust me… if we don’t fire Frank, he’s gonna waste what Terrence is capable of.

Ugly loss.
    I set my morning call & got up early (I’m Chinese and live in China) to watch this game, but it really made me sad. We got outplayed every quarter, while they don’t have A.Jamison or C.Butler. Agent 0 got every point he want, and our 4 were totally dominated.
    I’m not blaming Yi for the loss, nor his inablity to handle Blatche – he’s just unstoppable tonight, as every player may has occasionally. But he took toooooooo much long jumpers. when u r 1-6 and feel ur hands cold, u must do something to help the team, rushing for off rebs, helping defense, blocking shots or setting screens, instead of bricking more. He looks tired from the 1st min on the court, lack of energy badly. Sure it’s a b2b game but he’s young enough to recover. Disappointing. Hope he can bring confidence back on the court, I still think he can be a 15+8 like player, but he must take every game seriously.
    On the other hand, our guards did horribly in pick & roll I think. When they cut in they never look back, then force their shots. And they do rarely pass the d*mn ball to Brook even when he post his defender deep in the paint. I’ve thought Brook could outplayed Heywood any time, but the team did nothing to use him as a heavy weapon. Same thing happen to yi several times, there could be some easy dunks but our guards chucked them.
    Good jobs CDR & Rafer.

JuliusIrving:
“I wish Bick bavetta officiate every NETS game just to irk Frank and maybe he get banned from coaching in NBA. I know this is not a scientific approach, that’s the style of Frank, too much experiment I think he "out experimented" already Thomas Edison invention of light. Just wondering if Frank is somehow related to this guy. If I am correct then an NBA ring is not possible, most likely a Nobel Prize.”

hahahaha. funniest post ive seen on here in a long time.

I have always been a big believer that coaches make easy scapegoats for fans when teams are doing bad. If we had Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich coaching us this year, I would doubt if it they add more then a couple wins to our total… and those guys are the best in the NBA.

This team just lacks talent. We can’t afford to have any of our players out, let alone Dooling, Hayes, Battie and now Harris. I don’t expect the Nets to win any games as long as they are missing 50% of their talent. Then again, they would still have it tough with the whole cast of characters.

This Washington team hit a lot of impossible shots tonight. If you watched the game you know this. We did have two over-matched positions and it shows in the boxscore. But the overall team effort on defense wasn’t pitiful like the coach said. Team defense isn’t established overnight though either.

Arenas picked that team up with his effort and the rest followed. Any team in the league would have had problems containing Arenas tonight.

The offense on the other hand was a chaotic mess at times. Courtney Lee doesn’t have any chemistry with Brook just yet on pick and rolls. Rafer freelances better than he runs offense. Brook is getting better results from the high pick and roll than he is in the post. But Devin Harris is the one that has the chemistry with him there. Yi is trying but he doesn’t get it. He is not active enough on offense and definitely is not a good passer. For Lopez to be effective on the post he is going to need someone to spread the defense or play a little from the high post at times. I am talking about wing to high post to low post passes… fast. We don’t see that on this team but you can see it any time you watch the LAL, SA, or Utah. It is how you beat a zone and this team is going to see plenty of zone this year.

If only the Nets close out on the shooters like the Bucks did to the Pistons it wouldn’t be a blow out. They were giving too much space for the shooters and when they try to close out, there were no inside help.

See, this all starts with the coaches. I think they all suck and need to be replaced for now until next year. The coaches are soft and that’s where the Nets players pick up that attitude. With a soft starting center and PF, we definitely need a tough coach. Heck, i’d rather have Scott Skiles right now than Frank, at least he makes his players play defense. The Bucks just doesn’t have the talent (besides from Jennings, who i love and amazing, they beat us from drafting him just one spot ahead of us). But if they do, they would be fun to watch.

This team is confused!!

Everyone knows the Nets aren’t good and that the Magic are title contenders, and the Wiz are expected to make noise in the playoffs, But the Magic with no Carter and no Lewis, and the Wiz with no Jamison and no Butler – and the Nets get smoked anyway. Yeah the Nets didnt have Harris…and Dooling and Hayes (whatever). It’s a shame there’s little chemistry, toughness (rebounding and D), and offensive talnet on the roster through and through like the teams we’ve seen trample the Nets this tyear. Even the Wolves, without Love.Yeah Fire Frank…get some talent in here please. I have no attachemwents to any players – some are keepers, but they need to show more as well.

SEAN WILLIAMS seems to have that toughness that CDR misses. We need a player who is not afraid to get PHYSICAL (a “banger”). Sean came in the game and IMMEDIATELY established a physical presence that challenged the other team’s unbridled access to the rim. Sean’s stats weren’t bad either, (4 pts and 3 rebs). In 7 mins, Sean got as many rebs as Brook and TWill, who played 27 mins each.

This team has gotta get a lot TOUGHER to compete. WHY is Sean the banger sitting on the bench when the Nets NEED him??? Excluding the super hype about Sean’s non-basketball personal business, are the Nets hurting the team’s chances by not allowing Sean Williams to play?

What happened to the offense? I thought things are supposed to run-off Brook? All I saw was a bunch of wings going one-on-one? Frank hangs his hat on defense but his offense sucks.

As long as we’re going one-on-one, give it to Yi and let him go one-on-one and take it to the hole. The offense that ran in Minnesota disappeared.

@Jeff
You’re absolutely correct. Sean deserves much more PT.

It’s a team sport and teammates sometimes don’t like you, when you bitch them out in public. We have played three games, one of which we SHOULD have won. The team needs to pull together. CDR should be quiet and put his energy into on court defense. When someone like BLATCHE scores 30 against us, everybody is to blame. When do we get our first win…December?

I don’t care who the coach is, not sure anyone could get much more of this team. Its very inexperienced. Other than Alston, there really isn’t many years there. Its not a complaint just an observation of the obvious. Its going to take them a long time to gell. Lets jus thope that they do. Liking CDR’s attitude – as long as he carries his team mates with him, he could become a good leader.

Most of the match ups we are looking at are vets versus players with 2 years in the NBA and under the age of 22. Its unrealistic to expefct our guys to dominate – they are still learning their trade. The only match up on the horrible maketing gimick that has any chance of going in our favour is Harris Rondo, and DH may even miss it.

This team isn’t going to win many, but lets just hope we see things starting to improve in terms of teamwork and awareness.

Lawrance Frank really isn’t the problem with the team. The team is simply outgunned by pretty much everyone in the league. The good news is that everyone is at the bottom of the curve and will only get better.

Has any NBA team finished 0-82? this could be history in the making! kudos to Frank!

wtf? no Butler and Jamison, and lost by 20, this is so depressing

Blatchy is what every fan imagines (hopes, prays!!!) Yi and Swat will be, but Yi and Swat are not Blatchy and will never be. He is active, aggresive and determined; yi is passive, passive, and not very focused: soft. Interesting to think this: Blatchy is behind a very good PF in Jamison; Yi has been given the job though he does not merit it. Blatchy is hungry and has turned himself into a stud. Yi is not very motivated to earn minutes. He always looks surprised when someone stuffs him or steals his ball as if everyone else should be playing at his slow speed.

This all is not about the coach; this team has very little talent. We have over hyped too many mediocre players. Lopez MAY become a good center, but he is not now and it will take two more years.

This team is lacking in a lot of areas. Right now we really miss Dooling and Hayes. We have no real deep threats except Simmons. So all the teams are double teaming Brook and Brook isn’t quick enough to spin out and free himself up for a shot.

But we have no toughness. Haven’t had any since Kmart left. Dujuan Blair would have been good in this department.

We don’t play like a team on offense or defense. That’s partially on the coach and partially on so many new faces.

And we don’t have the experienced talent of a lot of teams. Washington and Orlando have so much more talent it’s rediculous.

Silver lining is we may be able to get a top 3 pick next year with 2 big free agents. I don’t think Lebron is coming, but I could see Amare or Bosh along with Joe Johnson. We would turn this around over night.

When you observe on this nets’ big men, they don’t have a guy like blatchy or bass, they only have Boone, Najera, Yi. We need a banger like Sean Williams, but the coach rarely plays him, i would play sean and brook together.

so would i jarkid…but frank won’t. Man why cant they fire him already

Why do you guys think S-Will should be playing? He is a marginal player at best. He has little discipline and does not get it most of the time. He may be out of the league in a year. Why blame Frank when the big wigs did not extend him. He is gone.

Frank is gone too after this season, so who cares. At least Sean can still prove he’s part of our future if he’s given PT and does well.

“Paul Erstein Says:
November 1st, 2009 at 6:59 am

It’s a team sport and teammates sometimes don’t like you, when you bitch them out in public."

It’s a team sport and after years of this crap under Frank i am glad that CDR is the one that is finally demanding accountability for each other in the Nets locker room.

This same pathetic, soft, weak culture has been the calling card of the Nets since Lawrence Frank took the helm. You have idiots that want to blame Vince, want to blame this player, that player, yet will stick up for the coach and make excuses time and time again.

Guess what folks? This roster no longer has ANY superstars to cover his rear and carry this team on their backs, and here you have the results. I don’t want to hear this crap about Phil Jackson or Greg Pop not being able to do better, those coaches would have an actual system in place on both ends of the floor and would have these kids playing with some discipline and toughness. this guy has no control over this team and no clue about what he’s doing out there.

Bring in Jeff Van Gundy, Avery Johnson, anyone that demands respect, accountability, establishes an identity for his roster, and demands defensive excellence from their players. PLEASE. Someone that will put the leash on Harris, demand the bigs play tougher, and run an actual offensive system that doesn’t involve some kids running around and chucking up shots. This is a mess

@redroc: “I’m not blaming Yi for the loss, nor his inablity to handle Blatche – he’s just unstoppable tonight, as every player may has occasionally. But he took toooooooo much long jumpers. when u r 1-6 and feel ur hands cold, u must do something to help the team, rushing for off rebs, helping defense, blocking shots or setting screens, instead of bricking more.”

Exactly.

Yi’s problem last night wasn’t defense – after all Blatche did as much damage playing against our BEST defender (Najera) as he did against Yi. Yi’s problem was that he didn’t play well on the offensive end. He needs to stop taking 22-foot jumpers! The 20+ foot jumper is the WORST SHOT IN BASKETBALL. They are low percentage shots. If you are going to take a long jumper, then step back and take a 3, please. And if you are not hitting the jumper, you need to do something else – rebounds, post play, something.

I’m getting excited about the draft. We have a very good shot at the no. 1 pick! Go team!

@ Scott “Lawrance Frank really isn’t the problem with the team. The team is simply outgunned by pretty much everyone in the league. The good news is that everyone is at the bottom of the curve and will only get better.”

You are 100% correct. It’s just too easy for many on teh board to scream about the coach, when they have no clue about who else to blame or what’s actually going on. Or maybe they’re right. Maybe we should fire Frank and hire Isaih Thomas.

Rebuilding must take into account that this team currently has only two young players capable of developing into starting players on a championship team – Harris and Lopez. This roster is a horror story. Is there anyone left who believes that Yi has a big up side???

After reading CDR’s original comment about TEAM ATTITUDE ,etc..I decided to skip all the comments (I will go back to read them) for now because I was so excited to see that we have a player that has the ordasity to tell it like it is……Yes , It is Frank’s Fault or managements fault fo keeping him….We need a Real Coach….Our future new owner will hopefully make this his first move…“Frank Happens” Thank You So Much , CDR….(P.S. I think that CDR resembles a young Adam Sandler..???)

It’s not about attitude. It’s about talent. This team is not talented enough to compete. All the attitude in the world won’t overcome that, because it’s not like the other teams have poor attitudes and we can create an “attitude advantage.”

I don’t feel that COURTNEY LEE is overrated at all….It’s plain to see that he is depressed and discouraged coming from a competitive Stan Van Gundy team to a patsy high school system that frank promotes….What are they doing out there…It looks like we are playing a game of keep away or something…..When frank was given the reigns to this team , We won fourteen straight because JKIDD wanted to show that he was right about Byron Scott being ousted NOT because frank is such a great coach…C’Mon , Look at the past six years..“Frank Happens”

@Robby:
  I still believe yi can be a good (not great) player, with a statline around 15+8. He does improve himself every year, but I think he takes too many games for China National Team. It’s what he ought to do but it really makes him tired. He need a full summer to learn how to use his body and how to read games.
  PS: I’m Chinese, so u can just ignore my words :)

Coach says; “Defense is a lot of things”. It’s nothing more than having the ability to influence shots and it’s his responsibility to recognize the players who can do it. He doesn’t do that, so he can’t put us in a position to win and that’s why we can’t play d and lose. Basketball is a simple game. He over coaches and makes it more complicated than it has to be.

@ redroc

Nobody should ignore the Chinese! They hold all of our government bonds! Attacking Yi personally or for a defective attitude is stupid. He does not have enough athletic ability to be competitive at the playoff level. He seems to be a fine person and has a very good attitude.

Of course attitude is important.

Look at the Rockets. They’re playing without TMac/Yao, yet they’re still showing talent isn’t everything and that they have a coach who can give them an identity even if their two stars are out. Chuck Hayes is their starting C, for Christ’s sake!

I agree this is a young team that lacks some proven talent to win more than 22-25 games at best (that could sound optimistic right now), so I can deal w/ losses as long as I see those kids making strides and playing hard.

Right now, I see improvement from some players, but I don’t see any progress regarding our team culture. It’s still early in the process, but Frank needs to establish an identity for this team on both ends of the floor.

What kind of team would you say this team has been during Frank’s tenure? Kidd himself questioned it. Were we a running team? Were we a defensive team?

I’m not a Frank hater, and I sure realize he hasn’t been given championship contending material nor teams made to win it all, but what has Frank exactly done to be here for SEVEN years? WHAT? Enough w/ the excuses already.

I know this roster is what it is, full of young players still learning the game and gaining some experience, I know we ain’t winning many games, but I want Frank to develop a team culture once and for all.

It’s a procces, and it’s still early, but I’m not too optimistic Frank can do something he hasn’t been able to do in 7 years, even when he had a couple of future HoFer on the team. Players have changed, but the problem is still the same.

I agree with Andrés.

We need a identity, whatever it may be… A running team, a defensive team, a post-up team… whatever. As long as we have a identity, we all can strive to be that one particular identity. So all players will have a goal as to “this is how we play”.

We have more of a identity last year, where we do the motion offense, drive in and kick out for shooters. 80% of the time we were playing that, and that’s why we made so many 3’s too. But this year, we are all scrambled everywhere, and no where near being consistent.

It’s hard to watch the games when they play like this.

@Andres
I agree!!

LFrank is from the jason kidd era
and benefits from jason kidds good word from 2004
Byron Scott is a much better coach
He got his team to play D
Thats coaching!
Getting your players to buy into what you are teaching

@DJ HeavyDuty – and to think we could have had a real coach last spring like Saunders!

CDR is the ONLY NETS PLAYER with Toughness…BLopez=SOFT Yi=SOFT clee=SOFT 1 day the ORGANIZATION will Figure out WHO’s The Real Deal(CDR) and who’s ALL HYPE and OVERRATED…Anyway…CONGRATS CDR 2 a NEW CAREER HIGH…

@netsfan48 c lee needs to realize that this is a business, u might get moved evry year, so what, stop crying n do your job! He Is damaging the team by being all sensativo about the whole traded situation. It a business get over it, he gets paid to do his job wherever he goes. If he is not mentally ready To play bcuz he’s emotionally scarred, then he needs to sit on the bench and let s williams play!

@ Andrés

Nobody believes that attitude is unimportant. When you focusing on attitude and Frank as problems, you are letting management off the hook for putting together a roster that CANNOT win basketball games.

“When your are focusing” – sorry for the illiteracy

“When you are focusing” – sorry for more illiteracy

“For the first time ever I question if Brook lopez will be a starting center in this league. Another awful game.”

I didnt think Lopez had an awful game. i thought he did fine and needed more touches. The nets need to get their act together. I loved what i saw from Lopez in the first game and the nets haven’t got the ball to him in the last two games like they did in the first. No one should ever be questioning whether Brook should be a starting center. We have all seen him.

@ Da Don 5051 – Lee is in fact quite happy to be a Net.

Here are two links which prove it:

http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=8614
http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=8818

Well well well, now all the VC haters are finally seeing just how valuable he was to this team. People had been dying for Carter to go and claiming we’d be even better without him lol. VC was phenomenal for the Nets and now you see we needed him more than ever. Without VC this team was/is headed nowhere fast, maybe now you’ll appreciate the things he did for us in the past and how he carried our team night in and night out. VC deserves much respect.

Just watched Ryan Knock dwn a 3 with Orlando and Wondering WHY he was Traded and ALSO WHY the Nets “INSISTED” on gettin C Lee?! He DOESN’T wana BE HERE! Crying about Missing ORL….And WHY DO we FEED B.Slopez so Much? He Needs 2 Get His Footwork 2gether…That’s The “Black Hole” in the Offense…Where is the “Great Defense” Of T will& C lee?? Alston is a MUCH BETTER PG for NETS….

@ LETSGO#17 – please see my response to Da Don 5051’s comment above.

Countney Lee is not overrated? He hasn’t done xxx, and some of you were saying during the offseason about how he might have a a Harris-like breakout year. Look at this….his shooting % is going way down in comparison than last year.
Everyone can increase their PPG by increasing shot attempts, but if it drops your FG% significantly than you’re not really that good. Lee is a shooter who’s not even shooting well and that’s about it. CDR is a much better driver than him.

@diehardNFFLbarnone That LINK PROVED 1 thing..DHOWARD KNOWS da Truth..C lee is “Hurting”…PLUS he’s Headed Towards the Bench…CDR will OUTPLAY him ANY NITE and ON 8 LESS SHOTS…C lee is The IDEAL 6th man On this Team…CDR is Thriving and He’s NOT PLAYING NATURAL POSTION…Got a Feeling He’ll Be BACK @SG, so they can START TWILL…

@diehardnfflbarone thank u for the link which proved my point, he even whines to his boy d howard about how much he misses orlando. Of course he not gonna keep complaining about how he wants to go back bcuz that would make him look like he looks, like a crying bleep girl!

you all will see the transformation of this team as soon as frank is fired. i hope he gets fired b4 the season is over and they let anyone off the bench coach. let kiki coach for a year. frank is soft and nervous. that attitude bleeds into the team and creates a losing atmosphere.

cdr is a dominant personality and isnt used to being led by a passive person like frank. its not going to work much longer.

@biggie Very True Comments From U…Overrated is an UNDERSTATEMENT…This C lee guy was Basically HANDED the STARTING 2guard Job! He Has 2 Shoot 15 times 2get 15points…But then Again, SO DOES HARRIS..Maybe 1 day THIS SEASON, L FRANK will Realize CDR IS THE BEST FINISHER…

@ Da Don 5051 – those two links seem to prove just the opposite.

I also agree the point about CDR not liking Frank’s leadership. I think I read somewhere before that CDR (or someone else) said Sean Williams’ athleticism has been under-used in this team. This statement is clearly directed to Frank. Honestly, CDR was very READY to contribute last season, but Frank again went by the book (i.e. rookies shouldn’t play much) and did not utilize him and stuck with the likes of Simmons who was totally responsible for our failure to reach playoff.
If you pay close attention to CDR’s reaction to Frank, you’ll see CDR has no respect for that guy. CDR has a big ego, and it takes a coach with real substance to coach him. I hope we get that one day.

most everyone on here is freakin fickle.

everyone hates lee cuz his shooting percentage isn’t great after 3 whole games. wow, 3 games. let’s spazz out. it’s the end of the world. cdr has ONE good scoring game and he’s back to being the nets best player. what’d he do in the first 2? oh yeah, nothing. alston played well, still gets little credit. he must be the exception to the rule. let someone have a good game and they’re a god. let someone have a bad game, cut ’em. what a joke.

hey k…

There are two ends to the floor you know. Alston was horrible defensively and didn’t run the offense well apart from pick and roll/ freelancing.

I like Lee because he actually is showing good effort on defense. He closes out on shooters better than anyone we have had since Kittles. Once he gets the chemistry with Lopez, he will be a more consistent threat on offense.

T-will looks like a 4 year vet out there at times. He is already having a much better November than RJ did as a rookie. He is going to be a good one.

kg,

twill will be solid for his entire career. watching him at louisville a good bit, i don’t think he’ll ever be a 20ppg kind guy, but i could see him legitimately (probably a couple years from now) averaging at or near 15-17ppg, 5rb, 5ast kinda guy. my only concern is his ego. at times ricky p would sit him cuz he showboated a bit too much. i think he’ll be fine with that so long as he’s surrounded with guys that can help keep that in check.

@kg what game r u watching where c lee is great on the defense,better than kittles? When? Where? How can u say such a thing?! he don’t do squat! Cdr is a wayy better defender than lee! Get ur life together & pay close attention to the games

@ Da Don 5051 – i take it you did not watch Orlando in the playoffs last year. Lee was considered one of the better defenders in the postseason and basically helped push them past Boston and to some extent Cleveland.

I said once and I’ll say it again! Yi should be coming off the bench! He would play harder and deepen our bench.

CDR is a good scorer! But, he would make our bench even better as the sixth man.

Twill should be starting at either the 2 or 3 position.

Lee sucks and no matter what he says he’s harboring bad feelings about the trade – he’s poison for this team, not to mention he isn’t that good to begin with. We should trade Lee!

Alston has to be our PG for now, but he definitely isn’t as good as Dooling! When Dooling gets healthy we’ll see the difference – mark my words!

As for Harris, he doesn’t pass the ball at the right time if he passes it at all. A good point guard looks to pass first, and he certainly isn’t looking to do that. Yes on a good day he can score a ton of points when he’s healthy. Which brings up the mean problem, Harris is just one injury away from a serious enough injury that will end his season. I say trade Harris while most of the league still thinks he’s worth something. Harris alone can bring us somebody good, maybe fill the PF spot.

We need defense! With that said, start Swill instead of Yi in the PF spot. He will definitely help our starting unit.

I also think Twill can become a very good PG in this league. With his size, vision, and strength he already better for the position then any of our current PG’s. That Sixer’s game when he played the point demonstrated his passing abilities. He made everyone on the floor better, especially Lopez and Yi.

Last of all, FIRE Frank!!!! We may already have the PG we need in Twill, we already have our center in Lopez, and we already have a solid 6th man in CDR. Trade Harris, Lee, Najera, and maybe Alston, and this team will be much better this year, and still have the future to look forward to.

Yi doesn’t have it, never did, never will.
Lee IS overrated.

I think there is a real possibility that the Nets will be 0 & 10. I don’t think they can beat anybody. I predict if Frank loses 10 consecutive games they will fire him.

3 down 7 to go.

I am seeing Lopez hate in some of these comments and that sickens me. How dare anyone call him Slopez.

@ Marv – The only player I would trade Harris for is Mo Williams. Lee is quite happy here, so why do you want to trade him? What if we trade Alston and then find out Dooling will never be back at full strength again? Is there any team out there who is willing to take on Najera’s contract?

@marv, if the nets do all the things that u are suggesting who will start?

LF must go. No play at all, all the guard dribbling around and either force the shoot or pass it to our big men in the last second.

And y ppl bring Yi for no D. The whole team have no D, all our guards will some how lost the defender and end up our big men foul them.

Beside, Najara was on Blatch most of the time…

And CDR…. tough? Score? He is a “me” player, once he penetrating to the basket, he will never kick the ball back out. He score some point to night must lots of them are low% shot. Also he got away with 2 offenese fouls early in the 1 qtr otherwise he would be on foul trouble early AGAIN!!!

I am sick of this guy alway trying to be the voice, or leader, or spirit of this team and claiming how hard he has been working on himself. TWill is way way better than him.

CDR is not a team player at all he wants is make himself famous, a star, a legent, etc. Start TWill instead of him.

@ NetsNetsNets – agree with everything! Excellent points!

@NetsNetsNets dang angry spice, what’s wrong with u, how r u tired of cdr’s team spirit? That’s a hater statement if I ever heard one, & for u to say he dnt pass the ball is ludicrous! He always tryna help them “teammates” of his not that the favor is ever returned! Y should he kick the ball out when he scoring 25 pts, asst, blocks, n all that.

@NetsNetsNets and @diehard Easy 2 See CDR is your LEAST FAV NET…CDR is HARDLY a “ME” Player…HE takes The LEAST SHOTS and He’s the MOST EFFICIENT…Y Pass the BALL OUT? He Shoots 54% from field AND 84% from Freethrow…Can U 2 NAME a NET OTHER than Alston That actually PASSES?? And DON’T say Twill who SHOT 2-13 last nite..Yea WHAT A TEAM PLAYER

@NetsNetsNets CDR is a team player, u think he talks about. Being a team to waste his breath? "CDR wants to be a star, a “legent” as u put it legend! Guess what Einstein he is already all that and more!

Mrs Roberts your son is a good player for the Nets, I think C Lee is too once he gets used to the team. I think one of the biggest problems is Frank’s plays. The team doesnt seem to know what they’re good at and how to maximize it. We need someone to come in and DEFINE our offense and defense.

@ LETSGO#17 – I actually want to see CDR do well, but i just think that Lee and T-Will fit better alongside Harris.

@DaDon

If you purely talk about scoring by pull up jumper or penetrating, drawing a foul, i am sure Harris is way better than CDR!!!

Why pass the ball? Not a single a player can bring the team the playoff unless CDR can score like Kobe then it might be made it to first round. If the team have ball movement that it is much more easier for the defenders to be confused or collapsed.

Stats? Look at Alston, 8/11 & 8 asst in 30 mins.

Already A Star? A Legend??? LMAO

I have beening watching NBA for many years and I’ve realized 1 important changed. Now a day, players just like to score pts to make their stats sheet look good, get famous so that they can get contract in the future….