Nets Blow Huge Lead and Lose at the Buzzer

The regular season is looking a lot like the preseason did, as the Nets blew another big lead and failed to execute down the stretch in Minnesota Wednesday night. They took control in the second quarter, led by 14 at halftime and by as many as 19 in the third. But the Timberwolves went on a 21-4 run in the fourth and took the lead with 34 seconds to go. Brook Lopez then had his shot blocked by Al Jefferson, and after a Jonny Flynn free throw, Devin Harris tied the game with a drive with 18 seconds left. Minnesota ran down the clock and Damien Wilkins followed a Flynn miss with a bank shot at the buzzer to win the game. Lopez was dominant for most of the night, registering 27 points, 15 rebounds and five blocks, but failed to score in the fourth. Terrence Williams and Yi Jianlian each recorded double-doubles and Harris finished with 14 points, 6 rebounds and 8 assists. The Nets held Minnesota to just 37 percent from the field, but were 0-8 from 3-point range themselves and turned the ball over 22 times. Jarvis Hayes left late in the first quarter with a strained left hamstring.
- Boxscore - NBA.com
- Flynn rallies Timberwolves over Nets - Jon Krawczynski - AP
- Game Highlights (Video) - NBA.com
- Timberwolves knock off Nets as time expires - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- Big rally adds up to Timberwolves' victory - Ray Richardson - St. Paul Pioneer-Press
- Flynn overcomes flu bug, takes the floor - Jerry Zgoda - Minneapolis Star-Tribune
- Sure, the Wolves ran -- after leaving the blocks a little late - Patrick Reusse - Minneapolis Star-Tribune
- Wolves' buzzer-beating victory makes change feel good - Jerry Zgoda - Minneapolis Star-Tribune
- Flynn leads Timberwolves' pack over Nets - Phil Miller - NBA.com
- Nets Open Season With Another Major Letdown - Al Iannazzone - The Nets Insider
- From the Booth (Video) - Ian Eagle & Jim Spanarkel - YES
- Lawrence Frank Interview (Video) - YES
- Devin Harris Interview (Video) - YES
- Nets get off to an ugly start - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Nets Notes - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Wilkins' putback gives Timberwolves late win over Nets - Julian Garcia - New York Daily News
- Nets fans, it could be worse - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Nets Game 1 Downer - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Nets lose their laugher, become punchline - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Haier Play of the Day - Damien Wilkins (Video) - NBA.com
- Photo Gallery: Nets vs. Timberwolves - Genevieve Ross - NBA
- Jonny on the Spot - Stop-n-Pop - Canis Hoops
- New Jersey Nets @ Minnesota T-Wolves Game Thoughts - Matthew McQueeny - Nothin' but Nets
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“Small ball”? Do you have brain, Frank?
BL played great, Yi played good tonight. Frank destroyed the
team.
by skaysiu on Oct 28, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
Damien Wilkens freakin travelled! I’m so angry! Aaaaaaaahhhhh!!!
by NJNets4LifeRM on Oct 28, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
I do not have any expectations and I do not even know why I am getting annoyed because I expected it all along. But this is going to happen 9/10 times all freakin season long. They had like a 16 point lead with 5 minutes to go and they have to blow it. This is going to be the trend and it sickens me. Same BS as the pre-season. Close out a damn game. I do not want to hear about the youth crap. The Timberwolves suck and are going no where fast. Hold on to a 16 point lead. It is not hard.
So sickening. I do not even feel like going on Friday now. At least if they were 1-0 it would have been a little exciting. Now they blew the only chance they are going to have all season to be above .500. Could not even get to overtime because they cannot box out.
Just a downer of a game and I really have no desire to watch this happen all year. I think I will burn my season tickets.
by Joe P. on Oct 28, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
Brook played fantastic but I thought he pooped out in the 4th. He played 38 minutes. Very disappointing loss though, this was a game that they should have won. Wins are going to be very precious this year.
by Joanne on Oct 28, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
They blew it big time… can’t tell you how freaking frustrated I am right now. I was so happy and excited watching the game, and then typical Nets shut down. Hey, at least it wasn’t the 3rd quarter this time but the 4th quarter. I guess they’re trying to make it more interesting this year.
Brook was stellar, Devin was decent, Yi looked much more confidant and aggressive, TWill was very nice…. and Lee was awful. I’m glad Simmons didn’t play much and too bad we lost Hayes. Frank left Devin out of the game way too long in the 4th too.
Oh and the Yanks are losing now too…. I’m going to bed :(
by MacGyver on Oct 28, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
disgraceful. 21 turnovers. lee & CDR were horrible. DH & lopez were horrible in the 4th.
by drmagoo on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
Well, at least I now know the answer to “Will I pay $169 for League Pass to watch the Nets this year?” (No.)
I’d rather read about these collapses instead of watching them. It’s way better for my mental well being.
by David on Oct 28, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Yi, Hayes, Simmons and Terrance Williams played power forward in this game. Yi was +9, therefore the others combined for -11. This against a Minnesota team which, with Kevin Love out, have one of the weakest big man rotations in the league after Al Jefferson. Please, Coach Frank, realize the obvious – small ball is a disaster.
by pinetar on Oct 28, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Do nets just dont care?
Frank gets out coached by every team in NBA he doesnt know how to coach if his life depended on it!
He played Rafer Alston, Devin Harris, and Terrance Williams all at the same time..are you KIDDING ME!?
Why did the Nets just not care and just didnt seem to want to score they just stood there when they got stripped of the ball?
AND FOR GOD SAKES DOES FRANK NO HOW TO MONIVATE? It seems like he shows no emotion in the huddle and doesnt monivate..I am getting sick and tonight to see all the fans screaming when they scored off a buzzer it makes me sick.
Summer of 2010
Fire Frank, Fire Rod Thorn, Get a top 10 draft pick, Sign 2 good free agents, get good back ups, move to NEWARK!
by Randy Oreens on Oct 28, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Good thing our leader is in Orlando!!
No one stepped up in the 4th.
Gets got complacent and stopped feeding Lopez.
Yi played well but played no D, nor did Harris
I thought we traded for Lee. Where was he at?
Pathetic loss. Straight up pathetic.
Glad I didn’t pay money to see that.
by Trenton on Oct 28, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
The Yanks were losing and I was saying well at least the Nets are going to win. I was happy watching a little of the game and seeing the big lead and then they regress into the same bullcrap as always. I am so frustrated now and I just have no desire to watch that crap happen time after time. A buzzer beater in the first game of the year. That is just sickening. I am disgusted right now.
by Joe P. on Oct 28, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
I need some cheering up. Where are the FRANK defenders? I need some humor right about now.
by SIC on Oct 28, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
wow,big lead against a sall teamthere bigest playeris 6/9 cant jump lost 30 lbs,so hey lets play small ball,yeah take yi out put twill at 6/5 as the 4 man, ok yi finally comes in so instead of leaving twill at small foward lets take him out untill the last play of the game for cdr, who I NEVER HAVE LIKED HE LEAD THE PRESEASON IN MINUTES, HE DOESNT PASS REBOUND DEFEND STEAL OR BLOCK SHOTS CANTHIT A 3 AND IS A BLACKHOLE, YEAH HE TWITERS ALOT ANDTELLS US HOW HARD HE IS WORKING,DONT KNOW WHY IM SO MAD I WAS TRYING TO BE OPTOMISITC NOW I WANT THEM TO LOSE EVERY GAME MAYBE 0-10 WILL GET FRANK CANNED
by jack on Oct 28, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
SMH…. I’m so pissed right now
I dont know if i even want to watch fridays game, or even the rest of the season for that matter…. i could say so much right now but fu(k it
by JayMS on Oct 28, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Okay Fire Frank. Just fire this Guy. I enjoyed watching it but as I expected Frank will not be able to adjust at once when the other team adjust. He is really a jinx to this club. Love the way the players played , specially Terrence. And Yi did pretty well but I’ll blame this again on Frank.
by JuliusIrving on Oct 28, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
damn it hurts so much to be a nets fan.
by jeffrey sutton on Oct 28, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
CAN WE JUST NOT WIN IN MINNESOTA? THIS HAPPENED two years ago the same thing. WE should have won by 20 but no we just always let teams come back. IM SO PISSED THIS FRANCHISE IS CURSED FOREAL
by ben on Oct 28, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
we had this game and couldn’t finish. I will not play the “fire frank” card but this is the type of game the nets have to win. Also no to Brooklyn in my opinion.
by joeyalonso on Oct 28, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Tough loss. I actually think that if Hayes didn’t get hurt he would have helped us win this one. We just needed a veteran out there to hit a damn shot in the 4th and he is normally pretty good for that. What can you say, Lee was totally off today, hopefully he gets that out of his system and shoots it better going forward. CDR never was able to get in a rhythm. Yi, Brook, TWill all played well, but starting midway through the 3rd when we had that big league, we started getting cutesy and turning over the ball, I think 3 possessions in a row. I knew the team wasnt mature enough to put the Wolves away and it turned out like that. Yi for all we bash him, I thought was the most reliable guy in the end. When you think about it, his play in those tourneys for the Chinese, when he was their go to guy, means he has played in more pressure packed situations than anyone else we have. Eventually this team will be good but it won’t be anytime soon it looks like.
by Chris2 on Oct 28, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t want to say I told you but I TOLD YOU! Small ball with the game on the line against the worst team in the league, with one of their best players out and we lose cuz we can’t get a rebound with a PF who was considered a possible PG in preseason. I think I’m going to like looking at the NBA.com box score and see next to Swat’s name DNP-Coach’s Decision. Maybe at the end of the year, when we’re like 15-67 we could say DNW (did not win) coach’s decision. Yi is stripped more than a hooker. He has to have the worst hands I’ve ever seen and that lane violation…. You can’t make this stuff up. What a comedy.
by Mr. Big on Oct 28, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
P.S.
I blame the Red jerseys. The Nets always lose when wearing them. Thanks Brett.
by Trenton on Oct 28, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Awful fourth how do professionals let that happen… Harris lopez and Williams very good… Simmons and yi need to go
by DevinHarris34 on Oct 28, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
I am not Shawn Carter…
but FIRE LAWRENCE FRANK !!!! NOW !!!
i can’t wait that the russian takes over the Nets,
we really need a coach that won’t blow out EVERY BIG LEAD !!!
by jarkid on Oct 28, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
wtf! why took Yi out for the last play? No rebounds at all!!!
by Kevin M on Oct 28, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
@ pinetar
Hayes left the game with an injury in the 1st or 2nd quarter.
by Vinsanity on Oct 28, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
This is my first time posting in this forum…been reading posts here for awhile now though.. just wanted to say how frustrated I am with how the game went!
by jbulz on Oct 28, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe the Nets will win whenever they get a PF. Eh?…eh?…
I think I’m just going to leave after I see VC take a bow on Friday night.
by Trenton on Oct 28, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
Dumbest move to get rid of our leader VC, he should still be wearing a net Jersey. I was so dissapointed in Harris. I expected him to takeover in the 4th like real >LEADERS< do but to no avail.
by Dezhaun24 on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Leaving TWill on the bench late in the 4th was soooo stupid. CDR looked like crap and had no agressiveness. I’m not even a big Frank hater, but geesh.. i’m blame that loss on Frank.
by pawley on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
nets looked damn good
Yi suprised me – No doubt
TWill is off the chain
BLO stat line is rediculous except for 4 TOs
Brook is truth
Fire Frank please!!
up 16 with 6 mins left? step into my office
small lineup gives up the lead and Yi was cold when it was go time
cuz your freakin fired!!!
GO NETS!
by DJ HeavyDuty on Oct 28, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
@ djheavy how did nets look damn good they were up by 19 and lost to wolves without rebounding machine love! that is why yi and lopez played well. flynn is better then harris lee sucks, twiil is good
by matt on Oct 28, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
I dont believe people are bring up VC. This tragedy had nothing to do with not having VC. This would have happened with VC. Did you watch any games last year? This was a normal practice with VC. Nets lead by 10 in the first half. Nets lose the game by 10 points.
by SIC on Oct 28, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
Let’s look at some positives:
1) Brook played a great game until he got too tired. His defense in the first half set the tone- but it was not as good when he was tired.
2) Yi is a different player. He played MUCH stronger and attacked the rim. He can rebound and his hands are stronger. He needs to continue to work on his defense.
3) T-Will is a player. They need to get him on the court more and to teach him not to fade away on his jump shots (he was rushing them and fading when he missed most of them).
4) Devin and Brook played a good pick and roll. Devin got tired and that caused him to get careless.
5) Perimeter defense was a lot better at containing the dribble penetration for most of the night.
There is a lot of room for improvement, but I think this team showed it has some talent. The team just needs time to gel and develop. John Wall or Derrick Favors would be a nice addition next summer as well.
by SwampDragons on Oct 28, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
Don’t blame the loss on the red uniform…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6097954/Why-teams-in-red-win-more.html
That is just one link of many where research points to teams that wear red win more often than wearing other colors.
by Craig on Oct 28, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
The mode the nets lose EVERY SEASON in FRANK ERA !
1. Owned a big lead in first 3 qtrs
2. Get beated by 1 or 2 points at the end of the game.
3. Get Buzzer-beated
Sucks..
by jarkid on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
Well this is going to happen with a young team.
Lee played pretty bad, CDR was meh, and our “vets” just plain old stunk.
Outside of the 4th Lopez was a monster, Yi played well (needs to work on those hands) Harris really got too me in the 4th, just bad decisions all over.
by Boomdog on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
How about instead of blaming the “small ball”/the coach/Yi you look at what actually happened. The ball sticking in the hands of our perimeter guys, trying to play too fast, brook not getting touches to run the offense in the 4th, devin deciding it was his game to win after our bigs dominated all night, is what happened. Small ball could be the issue if their bigs owned us on the boards or posted and destroyed our small players but that didnt happen. This is on our players not moving the ball late and doing what they had done well all game. It should not really surprise us either considering how young the team is. Stop looking for excuse to insult and blame people you have already decided to blame please.
by duo on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
The referee’s did everything in their power to give this win to Minny.
by tbone on Oct 28, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
Yi 17 points 12 rebounds 2 blks in only freaking 24 minutes..
you should have played for more 10 minutes..
damn you Frank, why do u always play small lineup !!!
I am really pissed off.
by jarkid on Oct 28, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
@ Duo – Yeah, but the downward spiral started before the all those things you are saying. The sense of urgency after losing a lead could have been a reason why all these mistakes happened. The pressure of losing a 19pt lead because of the coaches mistakes and the opposing teams surge clearly effected their play.
by SIC on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
There is no way this cannot be put on Frank. It was classic Frank, all the way. Yeah, the players on the court play the game, but he is totally tone deaf to the flow of the game.
CDR is demoralized by Frank’s nonsense. You can see it on his face.
The points made here about how inappropriate small ball was for this game are right on. And we all knew it. But not our coach.
Lucky if we win 20 this year.
by Gavino on Oct 28, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
It is this kind of loss that makes Nets fans sick. Blowing a big lead or not….we saw players with low shooting % keep shooting, namely Lee and DH. Are they trying to prove they are “the Man”? And the coach did nothing to put a stop to that. All the hype about Lee is just BS. Last season,he happened to be at the right place at the right time. What’s his shooting % today, 20%? B Lo was super but he was too tired at the end. Yi did great at both ends and he was a lot more reliable than CDR & Lee because we knew what to expect of him. T Will did well, considering this is his first official NBA game. Frank has to adjust his idea of playing small.
by bill on Oct 28, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
I am Shawn Carter and you know what I have to say:
FIRE FRANK!!!!!
Hollah!
by Shawn Carter on Oct 28, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
@SIC
Name the coaches mistakes. Do you have a sense of urgency detecting device? And no, all those things I listed didnt happen only after they lost the lead. I saw what happned on the court and it seems like people are trying to see in to the souls of basketball players. There were technical mistakes made by basketball players on the court.
by duo on Oct 28, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
Did you watch the game? They lost the entire frickin’ game in a ten minute stretch. Stupid idiots. The Wolves caused 10 turnovers in ten minutes and capitalized on every play. All that time nobody on the team had a large enough brain to realize that they had to slow the game down and keep possession of the ball. DH was out for most of that stretch. We had babies crawling around the floor. Sickening!
And when frickin’ Al Jefferson slapped Brook’s arm trying to make a defensive play, No Foul was called. Frickin’ refs trying to fix the game. And in the first three quarters they were calling fouls for every touch.
We had it, then we whimpered down like injured poodles. No more of that “attack and back off” mode. How about “attack to kill!”.
by Ballagurl on Oct 28, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
u have to be kidding me
how is frank still coaching
by Kingching on Oct 28, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Jonny Flynn >>> Devin Harris
It looks like we have another season of Devin Harris not playing defense. Did you see Flynn go around Harris in the 4th Q like Harris was an orange cone? Pathetic. Even Lawrence Frank noticed that Harris doesn’t play defense – he switch Harris off of Flynn on the last play and had Lee play Flynn instead (and switched Harris onto their worst offensive player – Ellington).
Harris should never have been an all star last year and he should NOT be an all star until he decides to start playing defense again.
by A.S. on Oct 28, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
OK and did you see Harris blow past Flynn how many times both of them couldn’t defend each other so don’t bash Harris.
by mikee21 on Oct 28, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
First of all, those of you trying to dismiss Frank’s small ball as a reason for this loss: GET REAL.
Terrence Williams needs to start. This team will get NOWHERE with two guards in the backcourt jacking up shots. As predicted, Devin Harris regardless of recording 8 asts is OUT FOR SELF. The sooner Nets fans realize this the better.
Kudos to Yi. He played like a man. Why did this kid play under 35 minutes? Oh that’s right, the coach is AN IDIOT.
Get ready for more of this folks. Those of you talking that mess about 40 wins, or even 35 wins, lmao
by Mr. Dollar Bills on Oct 28, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
Damn, I was all ready to go with an Extend Frank, Hollaz, just like my man Shawn, but they somehow blew the game, one of the few I had them winning this month. Gonna be a damn long season. Don’t worry, Frank will be gone soon enough, but a lack of talent and killer instinct are the much bigger problems. I don’t know, is it just me, or does Devin Harris look like he’s coasting out there all too often? I can’t respect that with the money these guys make.
by A.M. on Oct 28, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
@mikee21
Seeing as how Harris only scored 4 buckets, the answer is no.
Hey how about CDR’s line – 24 minutes, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers. Awesome! And Lee didn’t help much either – 3 rebounds, 2 assists in 38 minutes.
I bet that CDR and Lee added together this year won’t match Vince Carter’s 5 rebounds, 5 assists per game from the wing position last year.
by A.S. on Oct 28, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
Seeing how CD-R was in foul trouble the whole game going 4-6 from bad calling on the refs part so many missed and 1 calls for him CD-R is good in my book. Lee on the other hand OK that’s another story soooo…..
by mikee21 on Oct 29, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
Courtney Lee was horrible he forced so many shots. CDR was in foul trouble that’s why he played so bad. Alston is horrible i can’t wait for Dooling to come back.
by ben on Oct 29, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
Ryan Anderson’s line tonight: 16 points, 5 rebounds, 4-7 3Pts.
Remember Anderson > Lee
by A.S. on Oct 29, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
Its not the end of the world. We played great in stretches, and this is with Lee not being able to hit the broad side of a barn, CDR being totally out of rhythm, Hayes and Dooling – our 2 most effective vets – out, and Harris working his way back into the flow of the game after not playing in a while. Keep the faith gents. We shall get better.
by Chris2 on Oct 29, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
@duo – I dont get “see in to the souls of basketball players”, but clearly when the guards and SF are consistantly scoring on you, you put your best perimeter defender on the court. Why was CDR in this game when Twill was playing well and is a better defender. Harris was having problems with Flynn. Sub CDR for Twill and let him guard Flynn. What happened to FRANK and his DEFENSIVE mantras.
by SIC on Oct 29, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
Will everybody realize that coaches (except for the select great) have largely no impact on teams in the big picture? You could fire frank sure, how many more wins do you think anyone can squeeze out of our roster?you guys are reacting like we were slated to be some upper echelon team losing to the lowly wolves. Doc rivers went from losing 18 straight games to a championship within a 16 month span.
by muwu on Oct 29, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
Take into consideration that these players are young. There gonna go through these things over the course of the season good for them to experience this type of lost now especially game 1 so they play there hardest next time to not go through it again.
by mikee21 on Oct 29, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
Darn, made in to see the 3rd period , devin harris should have enterd earlier than he did, can believe we lost this one !!! to the Wolves!! and lee :( way out tonigh, better luck next time. Just so pissed had a great day and wanted to finish it perfect well you can’t ask for everything. Lets hope this makes Rod know what type of coach we have!!
by alxnj on Oct 29, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions
The entire team just looked like they were out of gas in the 4th quarter. I wonder if any of it has to do with flying out to Minnesota for the very first game of the year. Frank is his normal self once again, but I’m willing to chalk this one up to not having their legs ready after the trip for the very first game of the season.
by TheMann on Oct 29, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions
Ok…here goes nothing! All throughtout last year, I said the offense should run through BROOK! Finally, the brightest area of our team shined when guess what? THE OFFENSE WENT THROUGH BROOK! Congrats to Lawrence Frank for just realizing that! Now for this year. I said a week ago that we should START TERRENCE WILLIAMS! After watching tonights game, I know for a fact he should be starting! Basketball is a very simple game. You put the best players and leaders on the floor for the most minutes. We lost the game when Terrence was out of the game in the 4th quarter. So, lets get it right from the beginning before any more games are wasted. START TERRENCE WILLIAMS! By the way, I hope Courtney Lee is just dusting off the cob webs because we gave up waAAAAAYy too much for that type of performance!
by JustinNJ on Oct 29, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions
@Chris2
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Your post is the only one I read 2night that really makes sense thank you. Everybody else crying like its a play-off game 7. You want something to cry about how about them Yankees had Lee pitch a complete game on them that’s something to cry about.
by mikee21 on Oct 29, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
Players win games, not coaches (again except for a few). Does the fact that no coach lasts more than 3 or 4 years confirm that? Coaches are only as good as the talent they have on the team
by muwu on Oct 29, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
Gut wrenching
Have been neutral on coach, but this loss is all on LF. Every win is precious this season and we especially need to build a winning attitude early. He should have coached like it was a game seven of the playoffs and put the best team on the floor as often as possible – not act like it was in the bag to start the fourth quarter.
Why play Harris and Skip together?…..ever?
Harris was better than Flynn when they played together (see +/- figures), but you can see why when Harris when asked earlier this year who the NETS should draft, he said Flynn was special and the NETS should grab him if he dropped.
On the positive, great games by Lopez, YI and TWILL considering it was his first action.
CLEE will get better (short on every shot), but if CDR lets this game get in his head we could have a problem. TWILL needs to start and CDR needs to be leading the second team worried only about scoring (keep it simple for CDR while he builds confidence) – especially if we have lost Hayes for a while and Keyon is weeks away.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
So, I guess Courtney Lee isn’t the next Vince Carter? Wonder if he is still upset about the trade.
by Hank Essay on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
CDR and Lee didn’t have good games, but I’m not ready to trash them after one game. Fouls took CDR out of the game and any chance for a rhythm (but he shot 4/6). Lee was just off tonite.
I’ll wait to see what Friday brings.
Good game Brook, Yi and Terrence. GO NETS!!
by Jeff on Oct 29, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
Oh and yi puts up 17 and 12 and 2 blocks and people still hate on him? What in the world does he have to do? And don’t go on about defense because amare stoudamire can’t guard anyone but you’d love to have him. Unless you’re not willing to take ANYONE that doesn’t play amazing defense, you don’t get to play the defense card
by muwu on Oct 29, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions
You seriously comparing Lee to Carter off a 1st game of the season stat line?!?!
by mikee21 on Oct 29, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
@ hank – You thought Lee was the NEXT VC? WoW!!!! Did someone say the Lee was the NEXT VC on this board? I am shocked.
by SIC on Oct 29, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions
@muwu
The 2nd best post I read 2night Thank you. Its like nothing is never good enough with certain Nets Daily Posters everything has to be PERFECT.
by mikee21 on Oct 29, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
@SIC
I dont think lawrence frank should come back after this year. But that doesnt mean every decision he makes is bad and/or the reason we lose… every time we lose. Maybe Frank is trusting the guy that played well during preseason and his all star point guard over his rookie (who had certainly played well). Thats a perfectly reasonable coaching decision. And that still wasnt the the difference in the game. When you turn the ball over and the other team takes 10+ more shots than you it is hard to win. Again, you have already decided who to blame. Acting like the numbers in the box score (turnovers and shot differential), a bad shooting night (0-8 from 3) and young players getting sticky fingers had no effect on this game and that it all boils down to problems with the coach doesnt make sense.
by duo on Oct 29, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
Yes can somebody please explain to me how 18+ turnovers 0-8 behind 3pt line, Lee hitting two shots, CD-R in foul trouble Harris a little rusty not playing in preseason is Lawrence Franks fault?
by mikee21 on Oct 29, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions
It should be fun to watch Brook vs. Dwight on Friday night. I will be at the game.
by JustinNJ on Oct 29, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
al jefferson pushed b-lo at the back after flynn’s shot so he couldn’t reach the rebound which should have been an easy one to get as brook boxed out al…well, chalk one up to experience…they ain’t gonna win anything anyway even if all the breaks go their way so might as well learn all the lessons and experience all the heartbreak while young and rebuilding…
by jirohkanzaki on Oct 29, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
Good thing the mug missed the tv by only that much after I flung it in disgust that the referee missed a freaking travelling call. WTF, they reviewed the TAPE but didn’t see a bunny hop after getting (AFTER.. sigh) getting the ball? Can the Nets put this in protest???
by melchi on Oct 29, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions
Losing Hayes really hurts. A couple of shots made would have won the game. The 4th qtr collapse comes from inexperience and lack of togetherness. We don’t have enough set plays that work to help us out at crunchtime. I miss you, VC.
by YehYeh on Oct 29, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions
I still feel pissed off right now… sucks… why they lose again..and lose by the buzzer beater….. sigh… FIRE THORN, FIRE LAWRENCE FRANK!
by jarkid on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions
I seriously dont understand why ppl are dissing Yi for this game.
by ffz on Oct 29, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions
Even tho the Nets blew the lead and basically choked the game away, I liked what I saw what the Nets did to gain that lead.
Getting touches to Brook and Yi will be crucial for the Nets. If Brook and Yi can keep this style of play up, it will be good for the future.
I’m not too worried about the losses because the more losses = higher chance of getting a top pick.
I would like to see effort and Brook, Yi, and T-Will are going to make me keep watching this season.
by Dont Taze Me Bro! on Oct 29, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions
Does this mean that this Nets team will essentially have the same problems as last year’s team? This inability to finish games is just so unfathomable to me. Is it youth? A lack of confidence? Overconfidence maybe? Incapable leadership? Coaching?
by Cliffy on Oct 29, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
Jarkid, first of all, it was Thorn who brought KIDD to NJ and that’s just scratching the surface. You should be more ticked off on how a Russian mobster is allowed to do business with an American sports franchise in the first place!!! I support the nets no matter what and NO TO BROOKLYN
by joey alonso on Oct 29, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
I’m so glad VC was traded to Orlando. NJ Nets an absolute garbage team. They blow a 15 point lead in the 4th quarter with less than 5 mins to go. I can’t believe i supported this team for the last five years. Disappointing!
by Sam on Oct 29, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions
Yi and Lawrence Frank should not be allowed anywhere near an NBA court again. It’s that simple. And don’t read me off Yi’s stat line – he is plain awful. He is soft and useless down the stretch of a game as evidenced last night. Disgraceful way to start the season especially with a real team on tap for Friday night.
by Isaac on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions
The Timberwolves came back as soon as Yi went to the bench in the 4th quarter!!!
PLAY YI THE WHOLE 4TH QUARTER!!!
by Panareal. on Oct 29, 2009 1:42 AM EDT reply actions
i love how everyone thinks that a 15 point lead is something thats easy to maintain… or like losing it doesnt happen more often then not!
It happens all the time! The announcers even said so. I would totally rather be the team scraping back 100% of the time. Y’all maybe need to watch more teams then the Nets or something to know about the everyday going ons of basketball.
Cavs blew a lead last night. They stink! fire the coach! It happens. A Lot.
by tim on Oct 29, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions
hey Sam maybe you root for the knicks instead
by joey alonso on Oct 29, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions
@Tim
Well put the cavs blew a 19 to 4 lead lastnight at home so I guess the Cavs suck now to.
@Sam
If you don’t like the Nets its another time across the river who will be more then willing for you to root for them.
by mikee21 on Oct 29, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t anticipate both Lee and CDR having such quiet games either. So with all them combined, it should be fun!
by tim on Oct 29, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions
@ Sam:
Seems you follow a player, not a team. The Nets are obviously irrelevant to you now. So why don’t you go away and post on an Orlando website if you have something you need to say? We have enough to fret about without your worthless contributions wasting our time.
by rayray on Oct 29, 2009 3:10 AM EDT reply actions
@sam,
i have the same thoght, they are up by 15 with 6 minutes to go, they can still lose by a buzzer beater.
Want to have some flash backs?
In 2007, with Jason Kidd on this team, they lost 3 consecutiv games by 3 buzzer beaters.
In 2008, they still lost like this.
In 2009, the same story, just like Steve Novak killed the Nets by the buzzer beater 3.
Could Lawrence Frank close out a game??? GOD… please.
by jarkid on Oct 29, 2009 3:18 AM EDT reply actions
fact oof the matter is, the nets should of never lost this game, agasint hands down the worst team in the league.
this loss shows how soft and mentally fragile this team’s leadership is. they crumbled in every way possible to lose this game, and this is sop reminiscent of the games played under the frank era.
there were so many coachiing mistakes and i wont get into all of them. but the biggest ione was not having at least two bigs to rebound the ball off the last possession, so wilkens doent get the rebound. if there is another big woith b-lo, this game is going to overtime.
playing small ball is good in cetain situations, but to play it all the time, while you have capable bigs on your bench, and while most of yoyur guards are small like harris, alston, dooling, and lee, and cdr who is skin on bones and deosnt rebound is asking for trouble.
lee was always overated. the guy will never be an allstar. he has potential, but as a maximum 15pts, 3 and 2 player. oits painful to see that not only they gave up a future HOf player in VC, but they alsio gave away a much better player in anderson, who is killing it for the magic.
but again frank shows his incompetence. he couldt adjust to ranbis’s coaching, and couldnt and wasnt able to calm his young team down and settled them down. if the youngsers se their coach has poise and confidence so will they, simple as that.
see y’all.
by mina on Oct 29, 2009 3:19 AM EDT reply actions
Well, we know it’s not Kidd, RJ , Carter or even Collins who was the culprit of the blowing-lead tradition. There’s only one player left from that group, Boone. It is either him or the sideline general Frank who makes decisions. It’s pretty clear to me what the problem is..
by biggie on Oct 29, 2009 3:40 AM EDT reply actions
All I have to say is LLLLLLMMMMAAAAAOOOOOOOO
bet ya miss vc now. Bottom line frank can’t coach and P.S. The magic are taking it this season. Follow vc like I did. You’ll get LESS headches!
by FormerNetsFan on Oct 29, 2009 4:13 AM EDT reply actions
@Tim
hahahaha yea lebron and the cavs suck because the team lost their lead lol
by daft on Oct 29, 2009 4:17 AM EDT reply actions
Dave Alessandro said it: Frank took out the wrong wing!!!
This is precisely why Frank couldn’t adapt to the situation. He just makes lineup adjustments by the book. He thought, “oh, I gotta get all my starters back to finish the game, and that’s the right thing to do”. This is what we call rigidity. He does not OBSERVE and ADJUST to the situation. Williams 30 mins were basically fueling the team on both ends, and yet Frank took him out during the most importatnt part of the game.
Seriously, for those of you who keep saying “oh it’s the players who make the mistakes,” you need to think about what you’re really implying. NBA coaches don’t make millions per year for preaching stuff that doesn’t work on players. They’re paid because they have an effect on the players—a real effect. Otherwise, we call can be coaches. In Frank’s case, there’s obviously no effect.
by biggie on Oct 29, 2009 4:26 AM EDT reply actions
^^biggie said it best.
frank should have sat either cdr or lee down for twill. he was playing with confidence while lee and cdr were out of sync all nite. Frank is an buffoon. an actual living joke. once he is fired you will see a difference in thie team immediately. i dont care if we do have a european coach he cant be worse than this guy. he just got outcoached by kurt rambis…..
by superb on Oct 29, 2009 5:43 AM EDT reply actions
@biggie
NBA coaches have a real effect? Is that why Doc Rivers went from losing 18 straight games to winning a championship in a 16 month span? And is that why the clueless Vinnie Del Negro was pushing the Celtics to a 7th game last year? Or why coach of the year winners routinely get fired after a year or two?
by muwu on Oct 29, 2009 6:17 AM EDT reply actions
I had this for a win for us. A game we had to win against a bad bad team. AND we had it won. But we are so very young and poorly coached, at least as far a substitutions and time outs are concerned. Devin didn’t play enough, and I really don’t want to see Simmons and Boone playing. AND Lee didn’t have his shot, but kept shooting 3’s. I bad loss, but maybe a message sender to the team, that if we play defense and push it for 48 minutes, we can win. Bright spots? Brook was awesome. YI played pretty well too. TWILL had a bright rookie debut, complete with both highlights and five turnovers, five critical turnovers. I’d rather be playing Najera and Battie for the few minutes instead of Simmons and
Boone. CDR was nervous and over-pumped up. We are so very young. I remain hopeful, but if we are going to get to 30 wins, this was one of those games we HAD TO WIN. GO NETS!
by Paul Erstein on Oct 29, 2009 6:21 AM EDT reply actions
TWill was in at the end. The last ball was taken from him, and the last shot was right over him. Is that also Frank’s fault?
by YehYeh on Oct 29, 2009 6:27 AM EDT reply actions
Did anyone think we were going 82 – 0? This team is not good. We lost. We will lose many more, especially in November which has a tough schedule. Is it Frank’s fault that his wings did zero at the end? Is it his fault that Lopez did not score in the end? Unlike us, Frank will figure out better options, but we will just complain and mope and think this team is headed for the playoffs. They are under talented and inexperienced and defensively challenged. On a positive note, T-Will looks real! On a negative note: if you insist on nursing Yi, you will lose, b/c he is a liability on the d end, plays soft, and cannot compete under pressure.
by joe on Oct 29, 2009 7:06 AM EDT reply actions
Why doesn’t swat get any playing time? Nets lost and Yankees lost… Horrible.
by Andy on Oct 29, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions
i watched the last 6 mins again
it was a total melt down
The small lineup was in too long
TWILL OR Lee should have been on Flynn
DH needs to get his conditioning up
I hate to say it but
Hayes goin down = more mins for TWill
Yi looked damn good
getting the ball to Brook and Yi should be priority 1
DH should never score 20 pts unless he has 10 assists
TWill is for real we might not need Lebron!
Coaching was baaaaaaaaddddd
if a team is scrambling to catch you! 16 pts!
your team has to slow down in the last 5 mins
get the ball to your best players
DH and Brook should have been in pick and roll mode
Anyone realize LFrank lost to Kurt Rambis??
Kurt Rambis!
by DJ HeavyDuty on Oct 29, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions
The role of the coach is to sense the flow of the game, sense, by looking at body language and facial expressions when your team needs a time out (the game ended with the Nets having 2 left, without one being called in the 4th with a 2 digit lead), who to keep in and who to bench and when (a tone deafness he inherited from Scott – witness Kittles in Game 6 2003) and when to stop screaming and jumping around on the sidelines like a pathetic marionette.
Any one of the missed moves – any single one: a well placed timeout, a called play, a defensive plan for the last play, handling the personnel on the court down the stretch – any single one done well, and the Nets win.
The players play the game. No question. Just like the soldiers fight the battle. But no army, no matter how well trained, supplied or valorous, could have won at Gallipoli.
Frank constantly marches his team into Gallipoli.
The Nets will be lucky to win 35 games if all goes well. They are young and lack a superstar. All granted.
But Frank is good for 10 losses a year. Ten demoralizing losses. Hear that? DE-MOR-A-LIZ-ING.
In that case, if all goes well, you’re looking at 25 wins at most, with a truckload of demoralization.
THAT’S THE COACH’S MISTAKE.
A different owner, one who might actually care about basketball (and I have no real idea if Mikhail does or not), would have fired this charlatan years ago.
Frank keeps his job because Ratner did not want to spend money on two coaches – the one in and the one collecting on his contract.
Get ready for two years of suffering.
by Gavino on Oct 29, 2009 7:35 AM EDT reply actions
PS i cant stand DHarris “accepting” this loss
in the interview he was focusing on something else
looking around
damn near smirking!!
I wanted to slap him!
by DJ HeavyDuty on Oct 29, 2009 7:35 AM EDT reply actions
Disgusting let down, I was truly disappointed. I think I may have taken that loss a little to personally. Lets get it done tomorrow at home though.
Standing O for VC!
by Anthony (Jersey) on Oct 29, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions
I give Frank 10 more games. If this continues he will not make it to December.
by halwas on Oct 29, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions
We were playing great earlier, but blew the huge lead again once our 2nd unit got on the floor in the 4th quarter. We let go of the ropes… we just didnt play with the same intense energy as we did earlier in the game.
We need serious help on our 2nd unit. Simmons again played like crap, as did Boone, and Alston. We need to stop giving minutes to Simmon, everytime the guy shoot, my face would grimace.
by LetsGoNets on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions
Yea we let 1 SLIP AWAY! Brook was Huge, TWill was Nice, Yi was Solid…My Guy CDR will be FINE..ticky tack Fouls Disrupted His Rhythm (Still Shot 4-6)…but Courtney Lee was Terrible! 37mins and shot 2-11…START TWILL and SIT CLEE…
by LETSGO#17 on Oct 29, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions
I see. So if the team plays well that’s because of the players, and when it plays poorly it’s the coach. Neat.
by YehYeh on Oct 29, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
did anyone else notice Frank ar the one minute mark furiously trying to call timeout on the side, but devin just ignored him and brought the ball up the court?
i thought that was kinda evident the type of respect the players are giving him.
on a side note, i actually thought the nets played pretty well throughout the game. lopez & yi had some nice passes to the cutting player, the ball was moving relatively well most of the game, and the defense wasn’t horrible.
i’d say mainly the last quarter when the t-wolves started coming back, they lost their cool and succumbed to the pressure. they should’ve tried to slow things down after minnesota took the lead down to single digits just to get a solid basket. they did try to feed lopez & yi 3-4 times, but kept getting stripped. overall, this loss kinda sucked, but they played well for 3 quarters which is encouraging.
by HLC on Oct 29, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions
It’s sad when you listen to the coach describe what happened in the game. The question was what happened on the last play and he talks about what led to that point, describes what happened, losing their poise and the different things he tried on offense (I cracked up when he mentioned Yi in the post). This game is simple. It’s about defense and the ability to play it. He simply can’t recognize the players he needs to win with. Blaming ball movement and technical mistakes are weak excuses. The biggest mistake the coach makes is his decision on who to play at PF. All the other decisions do not compare and are easy. We have good players at C, SF, SG and PG. There is no excuse to lose the way we do.
by Mr. Big on Oct 29, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions
Hey whats all the crying for. We can still finish 81-1.
P.S. Lebron lost his first 2 games.
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
I started Lopez, Yi, and T-Will for my fantasy team. Triple double-double :D
by j-kidd on Oct 29, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
I can’t believe people keep bashing Yi. It’s pathetic. The kid did great, give credit where it’s due. Frank should have played him 35-40 minutes.
Frank needs to stop going small, seriously!
And I agree w/ Andy, play Sean!
Also TWill should start.
PS.: Rafer Alston sucks.
by Andrés on Oct 29, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
Most of the Wolves’ comeback came when Yi was on the bench.
by PhilNYC on Oct 29, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions
Look at the bright side, we can’t possibly feel any worse then now. We have very young players who will learn from this game. Now lets get ready for Orlando. Lets go Nets…
P.S. Frank took the loss very hard. Cut him some slack…
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
@ Mike
You know what Leo said. Nice guys finish last. I like the guy, I just think his style is for losers. B-ball is a big mans game and the coach is small, acts small and coach’s small. Don’t feel so bad for him. He’s getting paid 4 million this year.
by Mr. Big on Oct 29, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
would have been great to have Ryan Anderson tonight. We need a power forward, if we actually had one, we would not have lost
by NetRick on Oct 29, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions
@NetRick
We have a power forward, but he was on the bench during most of the T-Wolves’ comback (including the game-winner)
by PhilNYC on Oct 29, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
Ryan Anderson, power forward??? RA had 5 measly rebounds. He went 4-7 from 3pt land. Does not sound like a PF to me.
P.S. I wouldn’t worry about C.Lee or CDR.
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions
“RA had 5 measly rebounds. He went 4-7 from 3pt land. Does not sound like a PF to me.”
Perhaps you’ve never seen Orlando play basketball before, because that’s EXACTLY what Orlando wants from its PF. I’ll give you some information you may not know, but normally they play a guy at PF by the name of Rashard Lewis who averages about 4 3-pointers and 5 rebounds a game. And he’s an all star.
by A.S. on Oct 29, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions
To repeat what I said above: Ryan Anderson >> Courtney Lee
by A.S. on Oct 29, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions
You people hating on Frank are outrageous.
His team was up by 18 points!! He gets no credit for that?!!? Just the players.
And then when said team blows the lead its Frank and not the players on the floor?!?!
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Now if the nets were down by 18 the whole game and never got within 10 it’d be a different story and you can chastize frank all you want.
You need to be consistent with your criticism, not just when they blew a lead based on the team Frank put on the floor.
by Trenton on Oct 29, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions
I still find it unbelievable that the lineup that beat us was two guys coming off of ACL surgery last year, two rookies, and Sasha Pavlovic. That is horrifically awful.
by A.S. on Oct 29, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions
Wow! Someone is still dissing Yi for his performance last night. Can you find the other players did better than Yi last night, besides BL. Maybe he is still soft, but he had 3 dunks,
made 7/8 FT, 17 pts 12 rb, 2 bl, last night. You guys blamed on him just the last min’s turnover? This is unfair to him.
by skaysiu on Oct 29, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions
@Mike – “Yes can somebody please explain to me how 18+ turnovers 0-8 behind 3pt line, Lee hitting two shots, CD-R in foul trouble Harris a little rusty not playing in preseason is Lawrence Franks fault?”
Even though CDR and Lee had bad games, we had a 19 pt lead. Other guys pick up the slack. There was no reason to have a small ball. That wasnt what got us the 19 pt lead. Another thing some are saying the players were tired. If you lose a back up guard, why would you play Alston, Lee/Harris, CDR, and Twill at the same time?
@ Mike and Tim – As the Nets shouldnt have lost to the T-Wolves the Cavs shouldnt have lost to the Raptors. It is embarrassing. People are predicting the Nets should win 20-25 games, THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE ONE OF THOSE WINS!!!! That is the bottom line.
by SIC on Oct 29, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
Can people stop with the who is bashing or isnt bashing Yi? The guy had a good game. Not a great game. Let it go for this game. All the Yi supporters be prepared he will have a very bad game. All the Yi haters be prepared he will have some Lopez type games. Both of you GET OVER IT.
All the people disappointed in Lee. I think Lee does better paired up with Twill. Lee comes off screens and moves like rip. I dont know what Frank’s game plan is with Lee, but he should be coming off more screens. I say let him shoot. I would rather he miss shots then Simmons.
by SIC on Oct 29, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions
OK, make that 81 wins. Or will that be 18? Dyslexics untie! Minnesota has Al Jefferson, some kids, and a bunch of D-Leaguers. What a great draft pick we will get.
by jabez on Oct 29, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
For all the posters on who to hate and who to not hate, SPEAK FOR YOURSELFS!
by Mr. Big on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
@SIC;
Where did I say anything negative about L. Frank?
P.S. Courtney Lee > Ryan Anderson
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
@ A.S.;
If Yi put up those numbers (5) rebounds, 4-7 3PTS, you would be complaining that he isn’t a real PF. Give Yi a break and get over Ryan Anderson.
PS. C. Lee >>>> R. Anderson
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t think we should be mad about last night’s game…if anyone on here expected this team to make the playoffs this year, they were delusional. I liked what I saw from this team last night. Harris was shaky because he did not play a live game in the preseason, thus, it should be expected that his shot was off and dribbling a little sloppy. Lopez simply dominated one of the best centers in the league last night, regardless his turnovers in the 4th Q. Yi no longer looks timid when going to the hole, and several time led with his body towards the basket, A BIG IMPROVEMENT over his previous 2 seasons. TWill looks like a solid wing player and the best athlete on the team. The only 2 guys that really disappointed me were Boone (as usual I guess) and Lee. Lee was horrendous last night, missing every open jumper short. I was assuming he would be our deep threat this year so we’d need him to knock those down more consistently.
by Adam on Oct 29, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
there were concerns about Devin’s chemistry with the team after having missed so much of the pre-season, and it did look like it was a problem in this game. Devin pretty much gave up on running plays and tried to do it himself. But missing those preseason games also made him rusty, so Devin’s time on the court wasn’t productive. Hopefully as the season progresses he can mesh better with the team and shake off the rust. A lot of great stat lines for our guys. Can’t believe we blew that lead. That sucked!
by JT on Oct 29, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions
17 pts 12 rbs and 2 blocks in under 25 mins. And went strong to the basket…
by rsupreme on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
“If Yi put up those numbers (5) rebounds, 4-7 3PTS, you would be complaining that he isn’t a real PF.”
I’m not one of the Yi haters – I generally don’t complain about him. I think a Yi-Anderson combo at the PF position would have been decent enough.
by A.S. on Oct 29, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
When your starting backcourt goes 6 for 24, you’re gonna have a problem winning any game, though this was certainly a game that should have been closed out. There were many plusses to take away, though, as well as some major minuses. Here are some off the cuff thoughts:
1. Courtney Lee should be renamed Courtyard Lee because of all the bricks he laid;
2. Brook was a monster until he got tired. He got tired because he shouldn’t be playing 38 minutes at this time of the year, he should be at 36 max, and that is on the coach (who is without his number 1 backup at the 5). But no matter, he has to keep Brook fresh for the end of a game;
3. T Will showed some game (I mean GAME) but he has to take care of the ball, first and foremost. He can’t turn the ball over as he did;
4. Yi was better, but I still wish that he worked on his hand strength, as he still gets stripped too easily;
5. DH has no confidence in anyone other than himself and BL (yet);
6. The coach needed to slow the game down in the 4th quarter and stress the importance of patience for a good shot. Instead, the team was chucking up prayers with plenty of time left on the shot clock;
7. Where was the CDR of the preseason? Oh, right, it was preseason. He needs to bring that game back;
8. Why was Bobby Simmons active? Trenton Hassel would have been a better option at times for his D. Instead, we had Simmons throwing up a shot every time he touched the ball.
9. MOST IMPORTANTLY, did I see a definite improvement in commitment to defense, especially perimeter defense? If so, that will payoff over time and will get us some games we won’t be expected to win.
by aymesq on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
@ Net Income
144 posts, first game of the year and no comment? Hope you’re well.
by Mr. Big on Oct 29, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
“MOST IMPORTANTLY, did I see a definite improvement in commitment to defense, especially perimeter defense?”
Not in the 4th Quarter. I saw (rookie) Jonny Flynn getting by Devin Harris all the time – to the extent that L-Frank switched Devin off of Flynn on the last play (not that it really helped – Flynn got off the shot he wanted anyway).
by A.S. on Oct 29, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
Terrible lose!!!
CDR and Lee were terrible!!! I’m not feeling Lee on this team at all. Move Twill to the starting 2 position and start either Hayes or Simmons at the 3.
Harris seemed disconnected or something? He wasn’t his usual self?
Lopez was Great!!! He may have tired in the forth period, but hey, he also played a great game. I think he may have gotten frustrated with all the mistakes his teammates were making — it showed on his face.
Bottom line: This team can win more than its share of games because we have the pieces, so don’t give up on them. The problem is clearly the coach, fire Frank, fire Frank, fire Frank!!!!
Lopez is going to become unstoppable mark my words!! Not just the best in the East, but the best in the NBA! They started double and triple teaming him last night, TRIPLE teaming him!!! Come on, all we need is a new coach, Twill, Harris if he wants to show up, and some reliable shooters.
by Marv on Oct 29, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
Trade Devin Harris. His style of play and attitude reek of a “me first mentality”.
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
I think this game slapped the smiles right off the Nets faces. Though, it’s just one game, it showed me that gimmicks aren’t going to work. They don’t mask weak links on the team. They put them under a spotlight.
by Dirt on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
@ Mike…
He’s totally a me first kind of player. He wasn’t that type of player in Dallas.
I think Avery Johnson would be a great coach for this team.
by Dirt on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
God, outstanding game for Brook: 27-15 and 5 blocks
Yi surprised me too!!! and Twill 15 and 10 was amazing, if he puts those numbers he can compete for Rookie of the Year!
only thing i feel bad was that Hayes gott injured and that Harris didnt play at his full potential.
Also, bring Lee out of the bench and start Twill.
Even with this last night lost i feel this team is going in the right way of rebuilding.
again OUTSTANDING game for Brook!!!
by mr. omG on Oct 29, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
What really annoys me is how C.L. complained about coming to Jersey and all that…..Yawn
Now he has a chance to do more than he did in Orlando and he hasnt shown up. 2-11 from the field, 0-4 from the 3, 5 points in 38 minutes?
Some of you guys might disagree with me and thats fine but he talks a better game than he actually plays.
by Anthony (Jersey) on Oct 29, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
Sounds like we got a new whipping boy in C. Lee.
One bad game and he sucks. LOL.
Yi must be happy, he is no longer #1 Whipping Boy.
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions
@Trenton
The criticism of Frank is justified. Sometimes you can win IN SPITE OF the coach, not BECAUSE of the coach. How many other teams in the league have to make excuses on almost a game to game basis in regards to their coach? This has been going on for the past 5 years or so since Frank became coach, there’s always someone with an excuse somewhere for him. I’m sorry, but no one has that bad a streak of luck. Frank is a major problem for this team. They may not be playoff or championship bound, but he costs them games every season. He just doesnt understand what it takes to win. Coaching basketball is like a chess-match, you counter your opponents moves and make him adjust and counter yours and when he does you counter again. Frank just sticks with a game plan and doesnt change so it’s easy to predict what he’s gonna do and he gets out-coached by anyone not named Sam Mitchell. He still hasnt even figured out how to make substitutions to put the team in the best position to succeed. I’m willing to chalk this game up to inexperience from the players, plus they did look tired in the 4th, but criticizing Frank is also not wrong in this case. Criticizing Yi is however a bunch of crap, Yi played a good game and came away with 17,12 & 2. If Lopez put up 17,12 & 2 the same ppl criticizing Yi would be on here saying how solid Lopez looked. I just hope the team learns from this game and learns how to tune out Frank when necessary to win anyway. Let’s hope they only give up a lead like this 2 more times at max, they’re young so its gonna happen.
by TheMann on Oct 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
If you expand Yi’s numbers over 36 minutes, he would have had 25 points, 18 boards, and 3 blocks. He needs to improve on the D, but he is definitely an improved player. With all the pressure he faces in China, and all the bashing he gets, I’m actually proud to see him step up to the plate, at least in game 1. Hopefully he can keep it up. By the way, you Courtney Lee bashers need to go suck on a lemon. One bad shooting night is what it is, a bad shooting night.
by Chris2 on Oct 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Harris needs to understand that he cant do it alone and that no one is asking him to, if he could have trusted his teamates and commited to defense the game outcome could have been different. The loss isnt his fault alone but as team leader he needs to take the brunt of the blame.
by skeetskonson on Oct 29, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
It’s one game. Don’t freak out. Courtney Lee is a good player, and will be a good player. DH needs to get his legs under him. Why are there 50 posts about VC, and Ryan Anderson? Thank them for their time and wish them the best in Orlando, that should be the extent of that. This game hurt, but they will learn, should i rephrase, they need to learn from this defeat. They’ll get it sooner or later.
by hab on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
Sure I’m pissed by a game like this, yeah, but not surprising unfortunately.
Funny stuff about how bad Lee after he plays a bad game- LOL that’s good. I guess CDR sucks too now LOL. Lopez, Yi, and TWill picked up their scoring slack well enough. They’ll have to do vice versa and the like when Yi, Lopez, or TWill don’t score as much. Team team team team.
Also funny to blame the loss entirely on the coach (did he turn the ball over 22 times and basically stop playing D because they had a big lead?). It goes on and on and on. Sure a better coach who gets more out of his guys would be better – why not – but for now, the guys on the court must get it done. What good does it do whining about the coach and player combos, like that’s all coaching is – who you play (like a fantasy league lol you kids).
I liked how Yi played. Perhaps he’ll make strides this year. He tried hard even though he still gets slapped around down low by much smaller people. Good for him he has height – he must continue to live in the weight room. T. Will is certainly an all-around contributor and will get better fast it appears. I can’ wait for the next "weak" opponent. Need to see a W.
by Oh Really? Yes, Really. on Oct 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
Its not about the 1 bad game by Lee, its about him talking a bigger game than he plays. He was so annoying throughout this transition and now he has a chance to prove himself, but failed to do so with a game the Nets should have won. This was somewhat of a gimme game and they couldnt pull it off. We cant afford to lose those kind of games with the situation the team is in.
by Anthony (Jersey) on Oct 29, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
The Nets have shown a tendency to lose lots of big leads in the 4th quarter over the last few years. This is something that falls squarely on Opie.
by Trueblood on Oct 29, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
If we beat Orlando nobody will care about the T-Wolve loss.
We can beat Orlando. Lets go Nets.
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
4 qtrs seeme to give the Nets problems the past few years I’ve been watching them. I do think its the adjustments Frank makes at times that makes a big difference in the game. But that is not the bigest reason they lost tonight.
They’re young, they don’t have any real winner vetrans on the team to teach them how to hold a lead. They are going to frustrate people a lot of nights with the bone-headed losses, because they are immature. But the talent is there.
I think Frank will be gone enxt year anyway and the Nets will be fine after these young guys get settled. i can’t watch the games because I live in Chicago, but I read up on them and the talent is there. They just need good leadership and some expereince.
by kaybee on Oct 29, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
Losing big leads in the 4th quarter and not closing is going to be a reoccuring problem this season because we have rookies.
This kind of problem is to be expected. We don’t have a bigtime, experienced closer either. I’m not too concerned about this though. In fact, I would prefer this team plays like this, wins a couple of games against big time opponents, but loses to the point where we get a top three pick next year in the draft. This team is good enough and has enough money to draw a huge contract or two for a free agent as well. Combined with a top three pick of next year, That’ll set us up big time for next year. And for years to come after that. It’s completely worth it.
Besides the 4th quarter meltdown, the entire team played great. Wonderful ball movement in general…the best I’ve seen in years to be quite frank about it. This team has a ton of exciting potential.
by Gardner on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Honestly, I was pleasantly surprised by the Nets performance for the first 40 minutes. If Brook could play like that all year he would have to be an the mix for all league. Yi and T-Will also played very well most of the night. I think you have to chalk it up to a young team that hasn’t played together long enough losing focus at the end. T-Wolves played the Nets new frenzy style and made a lot of steals. The Nets needed to match the energy level and keep running the offense, especially the pick and roll and cuts to the basket.
by Ispartan on Oct 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
God. Thare are people still complain about Yi for 17 pts 12 rbs and 2 blocks in under 25 mins. Yi went back to the game at 4:28 left in the 4th qtr and went to the line and made 4 Free Throw in a row while other players were all ice cold.
Maybe LF is a great coach but he definitely the one to blame for the lost of this game. CDR has a off night and he should have replaced him on the 4th qtr and should put Harris and Yi back in to the game on the 4th qtr earlier.
By the way, I do think Harris improved a lot and look more like a team player now.
Go Nets!!!
by NetsNetsNets on Oct 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
the nets played well…
did we get the win…..no …. is tat suprising ?? lolz
the team is going to gel very soon
be excited
losing = better draft pick
but if we lose yet play competitive = better free agent
by blazin pp face on Oct 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
I’m gonna chalk this one up to first game jitters for CDR and CLEE. CDR just looked like he couldn’t get into his flow. It looked like he was pressing too much because of the early foul trouble. CLee seemed like he was short-arming all of his jumpers. It just looked like he didn’t have any confidence when he was shooting. They looked pretty good in the preseason, so I hope they can pull it all together. I believe they will.
I liked the new Yi. He’s starting to look more Detlef Schrempf than KVH. Except when he’s on D he just let’s anybody score on him. When Hollins rolled on him, I couldn’t help but shake my head. When wings were finishing layups under the basket, he couldn’t provide any interference. I like his offensive intensity, but he needs more defensive effort.
Brook = BEAST
Devin = distributing more in spots, but still keying in on his shot too much sometimes. taking shots way too early in the shot clock, needs to recognize players besides Brook on the pick and roll.
Frank = bad 4th quarter personnel decisions. cost us the game. too much youth = too many late game TO’s.
by mikki on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
One more thing. TWills was great! I think he should start on Friday night for better D. The starting line up should look like this
Harris
C. Lee
Twills
Yi
Brook
Maybe I am day dreaming but I actually think it is gonna be a close game….
by NetsNetsNets on Oct 29, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
It sucks and all, but I think it’s safe to say the team learned much more from this loss than they would have blowing the Wolves out by 30.
It’s just one game. Learn from it, become a better player and move on.
by Dirt on Oct 29, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
omg same old CRAP.
CAN THEY FIRE THAT IDIOT FRANK YET?!!!!
how long can this misery go on for? how many years?
damn.
by epik on Oct 29, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
@Anthony (Jersey)
I dont recall Courtney Lee being annoying during his transition, as I recall all the whining came from Dwight Howard. Were there some quotes I missed on Lee saying he didnt want to come to NJ repeatedly?
by TheMann on Oct 29, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
i hate this we getting the payback for hitting game winners last year on teams
by vince on Oct 29, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
You guys act like NBA teams never blow big leads and never lose on a prayer buzzer beater. Happens all the time.
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
@Mike…yes, but not usually to a team like the T-Wolves…
by PhilNYC on Oct 29, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
You got to remember that even the worst NBA teams have NBA players on them. Its alot like boxing. Even the best boxer can get knockout with a lucky punch. The T-Wolves hit us with a “lucky punch” in the 4th quarter. We just have to get up, dust are selves off, and get back into the ring against Orlando tomorrow. Lets go Nets.
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
@Chris2
Good post. I agree w/ everything you said.
by Andrés on Oct 29, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
what a stupid comment! The T-Wolves hit us with a lucky punch? It’s nothign like Boxing. There is no timeout where the coach can stop an incoming punch. When a punch is going at you, it is going at you. In NBA, you can stop a run by making the right decisions as a coach. Obviously, it didn’t happen, and there is absolutely no excuse. This kind of reasoning to excuse Frank is the kind of loser-excuse that never make anything the coach’s fault.
by biggie on Oct 29, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
@biggie;
Obviously I was using the term “lucky punch” metaphorically. As for stupid comments, those who live in glass houses…
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
What’s wrong with Michelle Beadle. She’s such a hater on NJ. I was watching sportsnation and she just kept on dissing NJ and saying how terrible it is. I used to love her but now i’m starting to not.
by NJNets4LifeRM on Oct 29, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
A metaphor is bad if it does not do justice to the real situation. The problem with Frank’s lovers is that their argument has a logic that makes Frank forever immune to any sort of blame and criticism. I look at all these BS’s and ask myself, “ok, so when is it the coach’s responsibilities?”. NBA is the real world. In the real world, the person-in-charge is ALWAYS responsible for organizational failures. I do not see how we can “leave Frank out of all these” because it is the players who made mistakes. If so, then maybe you and I can coach.
by biggie on Oct 29, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
When you’re on a verge of getting smoked 31-15, when do you say, “Wait, time out, WTH?” I don’t get it.
by Ely on Oct 29, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
@ Biggie;
I understand you don’t think Franks is a good coach. You are not alone in thinking that, but even the best coaches lose games that their team should of won. Franks is our coach right now, so I find it easier to accept that fact and try to work around it when assessing this team. It’s easy to pick someone to blame when things go wrong. I do it all the time. LOL
by Mike on Oct 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
@Mike
Yes, teams do sometimes blow big leads. But it usually doesn’t happen to the better teams out there, and certainly not against the lesser teams out there. Perhaps you are satisfied with the Nets not being one of the better teams, but I am not. Does it happen sometimes to the better teams? Sure…but when it does, you will be hard-pressed to see those teams say “oh well, it happens”…
by PhilNYC on Oct 29, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
Isaih Thomas FOR COACH!!!!!! Or even better it seems as if Byron Scott wont do that well in NO this year bring him back!!!!
by montynetfan on Oct 29, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
The Mann
re read prior news posts when C.L. was traded, that will change your mind.
by Anthony (Jersey) on Oct 29, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions

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