Frank should know that he needs the DH as a team leader, not shooter, not ask the other four players stand on court, just give the ball to DH.

DH should play as team leader, NETS should be a team player.

the problem of DH for NETS is not his poor of skills, but his over capacity of skills. DH is too muuch confidence, and likes to finish the game by himself alone, this is not a role of team leader.

Frank cannot tell other players to give the paint area for DH, a short PG, under the hoop.

They need some wins early until help arrives. I firmly believe once things get cleared in the next few weeks our new owner will give the green light to Thorn to start making the moves we need now. You can believe Micxky is not going to sit around and watch us lose night after night because we dont have a PF. All this team needs is a PF.

@fplc

Really what are you talking about??

@ BigEd

I can agree with that. It depends on what kind of contract the Nets would take back in a trade, and I also think it could be Yi on his way out.

Kiki and Rod have a plan. They’ve taken a definite direction. A new owner won’t make them deviate from it.

The Nets are rebuilding. That’s their plan. They are trying to develop some good young players w/ potential. Yi is one of those players. Deal w/ it.

Nets are not sitting and watch the team suck. They’re developing young players and they’ll have to play them through their mistakes, so they’ll lose some games. If you don’t like it go root for the Lakers.

@ Andres

I can agree with that too. But it would be naive not to think a GM has a different frame of mind when his owner is willing to spend anything. KiKi and Thorn’s plan has always been dictated by finances…period. When it comes to Yi, there’s a reason the Bucks gave him up so easily and it’s not cuz they thought RJ was this great player that would make them contenders. What it boiled down to for them was they got more value for Yi then they would’ve gotten from anywhere else. For the Nets, it was about hoping that maybe they got a steal while getting rid of RJs contract at the same time. I’m sure they’ve seen all they need to see out of Yi. The leash will be short on him this season. Best case scenario is that he gives decent production in the first couple months and should that happen, maybe they can get someone to bite. We’ll see.

I’m not so down on Yi cuz I never expected much from him. But it’s clear to see that the guy is missing something…on top of having weak hands and limited BB IQ. I’d rather have a bruiser type of player who doesn’t need to score and who can help protect BLopez in the middle…much like what Oakley was for Ewing.

This will only work for a few games. Opposing Coaching staffs are smarter then this one.

Look what happened to the dribble drive after a few games. Teams figured out how to defend it.

@SIC

Yup. But remember, they only plan on using it during short stretches a game…and also depending on how the flow of the game is going.

Also have to remember that VC, for all the good he did for this organization, he was always playing in an offense that really wasn’t beneficial for him or the team. When Kidd and RJ were here, VC slowed them down. The running offense was limited because of VC. After Kidd skipped town, the whole offense was based around VC even when they tried to go dribble-drive for DH. Last year, when everything was on the line, they went to and ISO for either VC or DH.

I’m not saying this year’s offense will be anything special, but I do believe LFrank will be able to deploy a more similar style offense to what we had with Kidd, RJ, and Kmart. It’ll all depend of course on how much hustle they put in on the defensive end and also on their rebounding numbers, but I think we’ll see more of what Frank has been wanting for years ever since KMart was here. Nets have a team of athletes, which could one day be better than the KMart/Kidd era. That could be a reach but the direction of the team is there.

A lot depends on the drive and will (T-Will) the Net players show on the court. If Harris, Lopez, Lee, Yi, CDR, T-Will, Hayes etc. go out and play hard every night, we might be able to make the playoffs. That is why players like CDR, C.Lee and T-Will are so promising. They play hard and don’t like to lose. If Harris and Lopez follow suit we can be winners, this year. Even Yi looks like he getting tougher. Lets go Nets…

I wouldn’t give two cents for a player,coach or fan who didn’t think their team could win.

@Mike
I am cautiously optimistic too. In CDR, Lee, and TWill the Nets have three guys that are super competitive that will bring it every night. Harris and Lopez could both be legit all stars. I will have to wait and see how Lopez reacts to the defensive focus he will get with VC out. Yi is the wildcard but if he can grab some boards and score efficiently, that would be a nice bonus. Definitely defense at the 4 is what I am most concerned about.

Yi has played fine this preseason, while Brook’s offense has struggled. Of course, no one is worried about Brook, nope.

I too think we can use some better D inside, but not necessarily the same way some has suggested. Dumping the 4 that had 20/10 the previous and only winning preseason game might not be the best idea.

Oh, I want to dump my pc to trade for the hot brazilian super model. Makes perfect sens to me…

Blake Griffin out 6 weeks, Big Baby breaks his thumb in a fight -out indefinitely, Kevin Love breaks his hand -out for a few months, and Terrence Williams is playing so well fans are talking about trading Harris to give him the starting PG position. Sounds like our problem isn’t so much of a problem at all. To me, that sounds like there are going to be some competitive practices. I like that.

@Malorkayel

No one is worried about Lopez because produced for a WHOLE season.

I’m not down on Yi, im encouraged, however to make a comparison between Yi and Lopez based off of 2 PRESEASON games is pretty rediculous.

lopez, yi, twill lee haris SHOULD BE STARTING 5
cdr hayes perimeter backup , boone swat backup front court
thats it alston najeradooling najera, available until they are traded
batties simons hassel street close until traded or bought out after the deadline,my problem with this season i will see these stupid linups with booby simons at the 4,ortwill at the 4 or last yr watching swat at 6/8/210 playing center for a few minutes and loosing confidence and getting yanked, or watch us get kiolled inside last yr watching boone sit and jarvis hayes and hassel at the 4 position

@ malorkayel

I got 2 years of bad D and 40% fg pct. What do you have 7-10 good games including preseason? What do you think the future is based on those stats?

@ wondering_aloud

Yeah it will be short stretches which will include the game on the line based on the coach’s desire to go small. I should have said this when the talk was about TWill and him playing PG. Mark my words, he will play more PF than PG for us until we have a new coach. This coach couldn’t put a defensive lineup on the court to save his life. Another rookie playing out of position. Some things never change.

Makes total sense: five best players are DH,BLo,Lee,CDR, TWill. Frank has little choice. The best lineup will be small, b/c the next best players are Alston, Hayes, Dooling, and then what??? We will not win many more early on in the year with this lineup being used alot b/c the schedule is real tough, but over the long haul it is giving us the best chance to win and compete. Until we find a real 4 and 3, this is what we are. Yi may develop into one of those top players, but he gives up too much on the d and is too inconsitent. I don’t see it – but Bosh, wow, that’s a line up! Harris Lee CDR Bosh Lopez,

So during these “5 minutes of frenzy” (read: lazy coaching), who’s defending the opponent’s PF?? This coach makes me sick. We’ll say this season will be geared towards defense, then we’ll put 4 guys under 6’9 on the floor at once for the sole purpose of a “wildcat offense”. You could see the frustration on Brook’s face in preseason… He needs some help down low and this is NOT the way to do it.

The new season will be new. I’m all for trade up on the PF position. However, I’m sick to death of hearing the “Yi is not worth being in NBA. Hey, lets trade him for Amare”.

Either a player is low value or his is not. Either you value preseason or you don’t. We’re all boosting up TWill based on preseason. I’m on the TWill bandwagon and looking at all our players with the same rose colored glasses.

JB,

During the last game, the “frenzy” got embarrassed rebounding on a missed free throw. One of the Sixer player easily out reached the shorter TWill(I think)

“Frenzy” is frank’s sexier repackaged smallball.

Jb:

Twill held Elton Brand to squat and diddly Friday night. The kid can defend bigs with his speed and length.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Frank starts Yi and Simmons again. Its Frank’s contract year and he won’t give a damn about developing the younger players. He needs to win and his natural tendency is to go with veterans – even if they stink.

We can all see TWill’s quickness, his vision, his ability to rebound well for his size and his defense, but those were all things he did extremely well in college.

Though Twill can shoot the three, he needs to improve his shot from inside the arc and finish better at the rim.

Talent wise and upside wise, Yi and TWill aren’t close. And if we think Yi is 25…

isn’t Yi 21 or 22 at most?

I like this a lot, but where will the rebounding come from???

John at Jersey Shore: Well good, then we can beat the sixers, hooray. We’ll see how twill defends against David Lee, Bosh, and KG… And that’s just the rest of the Atlantic. Can’t wait for Proky to send this pathetic coach packing!

@JB Twill will out rebound and out defend Yi 7 days a week and twice on Sunday…. All Yi has is size, but he plays small. Frank is courageous to do this, smart. I realize he will probably not be back next year, but I am amazed at how he changes his offense so much each year to match his player’s talents.

This is something that should only be used situationally, which means of course Frank will use it EVERY game. We will get demolished inside by teams with even “decent” bigs let alone good to all-star ones. That small line-up was giving up free throw rebounds to the sixers, imagine against Boston, LAL, Orl, LAC, and other teams. Frank needs to come up with more than one plan each year, thats a big reason why he sucks. He’s too predictable with his play calling and he never deviates from a plan. Look for us to play small-ball w/ lipstick aka “frenzy” 82 games this year barring injuries.

Courageous?!?!? I love this team and I believe in our young guys and really think they’ll develop, but to call this coach smart and courageous is straight up delusional.

I’m all for any lineup that gets our young core extended minutes playing on the court together. Win or Lose – at least these guys are getting minutes and game situations together.

Also – do not be so quick to think Frank will want to play veterans in a contract year. If anything, I think he will be only inclined to play the young guys. His mandate is to develop the talent that he has (read guys 25 and under). Whether he is coaching here next year or someplace else – every GM is going to look at the progress that CDR, TWill, Brook, Lee, Yi and DH make this season. If DH or Brook regress – that will be on Frank. If Brook and DH continue to improve, along with growth seasons from Lee and CDR and a good rookie campaign out of TWill – Frank will have suitors next season. Every basketball man in the league realizes Frank is playing with a young team that is expected to be one of the league’s worst. If the Nets get 35+ wins mostly driven by that young core – I guarantee Frank is coaching next season in the NBA, as that proves he is competent at player development.

I like this ‘frenzy’ only in short stretches and only when the opponent has a weak 4 on the floor themselves. Otherwise, Yi should get lots of minutes. He is actually a pretty good rebounder in my opinion. He will not improve without the playing time. So we should play him. If we still have trouble rebounding, put Boone in the game. Boone is also a pretty good rebounder. You put 4 midgets on the floor with Brook, you are going to wear Brook down both physically and mentally….not a good idea.

If 5 Minutes of Frenzy means that Lawrence Frank sits down and lets them play w/o his micro managing, those 5 minute stretches will be when the Nets appear to be damn near unstoppable

This is a stupid idea. Then people wonder why Lopez looks frustrated. What is the game plan? Isnt Lopez suppose to get more touches in the paint. This is what happens every year. Frank has no direction. This frenzy BS is BS. Play the young guys at their positions. Let them learn that first. I am not against pressuring the ball but no need for Harris, Lee, CDR and Twill to be on the court at once to pressure the ball.

Frank is about to coach himself out of a job anyway so don’t worry about it SIC

Who annointed Lee as a starter?
Has lee outplayed CDR and TWill?
Why hasn’t SWill played more than 10 mins in a game?
I would think some floor time would at least make him feel better about his game.
I wonder how the new owner will put up with losing…
When the hammer comes down, will frank be under it?

Is L.Frank the most clueless coach in the league?
I feel like throwing the remote at the TV whenever he does his “lawrence frank report”. How freakin long does it take to evaluate a team concidering you COACH them and practice with them everyday. How many freakin substitutions can you make in a single game (I would absolutely love to know what coach leads the league in substitutions)… Make up your mind on the style of play you and your team are going to run with. Show some damn authority, maybe you’ll recieve some respect from your players. Its bad enough our team is a bunch of new guys, pick a group and let them play together. Sub guys when they are in foul trouble not cause you feel like “mixing it up” . The problem with the Nets is not the players its the stubburn ass pathetic minded coach.

I’m sick of being outcoached every game. And let SWat play befor he gets cut by us, picked up by another team and murders our forwards next year while your coaching a girl’s high school softball team.

@djheavyduty
Actually CDR has been a black hole on offense and only looks to shoot, that’s a sign of 6th man potential in itself. Lee also has a better shot and range than TWill which can help space the floor, plus he has finals experience. TWill is also big enough to play the 3 which is where he should be starting imo. So yes Lee should be the starting 2 guard.

Also, Sean should be playing. He was doing alright when he came back from the D League last year. Even if he fouls out, so what? We’re not going to the playoffs this year anyway so why not see his defense for 10-15mins a game? It’s not like Najera, Simmons, or Battie, have done anything to deserve playing time at the 4 either. They’ve done just as much as Sean. In the one pre-season game Sean fouled out in 19mins, Simmons fouled out of one in 18mins. At least Sean has the height, quickness, and jumping ability so you can understand how he’d foul out going for fakes, What’s Simmons’ excuse? Bobby cant even jump 6 inches off the floor.

Where did anyone say they’re playing it for five minutes per quarter?

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=4598533

We dont need him in Jersey

Big Baby sounds like a Big Jerk.

Sometimes the moves you don’t make turn out the best.

And to think we could have traded him for Yi. Yikes.

Gino: it says it in the first line of the story up top. 5 minutes out of 12 is ridiculous… We’ll get run over defensively and fatigued by week 3… Plus if we’re using DH, CDR, TWill, CLee, AND Brook Lopez at the same time… Who’s coming on when those five hit the bench together after sprinting back and forth for half a quarter? Even if this horrible idea manages to work, we’ll lose what points we get when the second unit hits the floor.

Not only should he use the best 5 (which means the small line up plus Lopez) in stretches, but he will probably be forced to use it in the crunch as the best option to STOP teams and to score. Simmons or Hayes will be playing crunch time 4 more than Yi. He is a very smart coach and a surprisingly flexible one. He will have a job in 5 minutes if the Nets fire him whether they win 35 or 20. He is a very good coach.

Repeat after me… we are one good power forward away… we are one good power forward away… we are one good power forward away…

@ the mann
CDR hasn’t been a black hole
He has been passing the ball it just seems like when CDR and Brook are on the floor chris gets the ball at a point to score not make next pass.
I am a CDR can’t help it. The guy put in the work.Lee cried about the trade.

Sure Devin Harris looks nice with all his scoring, but so did players like Allen Iverson, Stephon Marbury, and Steve Francis.This will be a huge problem with a score-first PG, not a Scoring PG but a Score-First PG. I would not say Tony Parker and Devin Harris are the same players. Tony Parker actually has to sacrifice his game for the betterment of the team.

 I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Yi has played better without Devin Harris. Also the Bucks realized that they would eventually lose Yi. No way Yi’s representatives would have wanted him to stay his entire career in Milwaukee, so of course the Bucks sold high. I would of done the same thing. But then again, they don’t even have Richard Jefferson anymore and also gave up prospect Ramon Sessions over $$$$. If we’re going to bring up the question of the Bucks trading Yi, the same question could be asked of the Mavs trading Devin Harris for a aging PG (who had already gone through knee surgery)?

I think for the Nets to succeed they have to feed their bigs, whether it’s Brooke, Yi or whoever else we got and work from there. There’s a growing list of young hungry Nets players wanting to get theirs.

Perhaps all this will fit once the Nets get a more experienced coach. I just don’t think the Nets are going to win with Harris being the #1 option.

Put Labron on the Nets and see how bad a coach LF is. Just bad enough to win a championship. It’s a sports cliche to say that you can’t fire the players so you fire the coach. We have a team that is projected to win 30-35 games at the most, and yet when the team wins at that rate, everyone wants to blame the coach. The truth is that he, like every other coach, makes mistakes, but very few work harder than he does and the players, for the most part, bust their hump for him. Why don’t we all just lay off him for a while and see how the team performs?

@LetsGo
I dont hate on CDR, I actually like him. it’s the truth, right now he’s better suited as the 6th man coming off the bench.

Didnt realize u guys pulled his message, thanks for the Edit on mine ;).

@TheMann and Dan
Agreed! Play Sean already! Forget about Bobby Simmons, what has this guy done to deserve any minutes????

Actually I think it’s very understandable that fans are getting tired of Lawrence Frank as head coach. Experienced coaches have played huge roles, take for example:

A loaded Lakers team coached by Del Harris vs a Lakers team with Phil Jackson.

Phil Jackson = 3 Championships, 4 finals appearances
Del Harris = 0

Larry Brown w/Pistons = 1 Championship, 2 Finals appearances

Even Byron Scott getting the Nets to two finals appearances.

Of course it’s easy to blame the coach, but I think Lawrence Frank has had more than enough time to show what he can do as a coach.

aymesq:

we’ve been waiting on him for a few years now. Mediocrity is the BEST he can do, with or without all star players and future hall of famers under his guidance. “working hard” is good if you’re telling a child to try his hardest to be the best he can. This is the professionals and his best isn’t good enough. His solutions to the problems this team has now and has had in the past don’t work. He doesn’t change his style after it doesn’t work. Put LeBron on this team, sure we’ll compete for a championship, but it won’t be because of LFrank.

3 smalls? Where will the rebound coming from?

I think the one thing that s for sure with this team is the EFFORT that will be put forth.. this is a young team so and they all seem to have a desire to be good so hopefully that and the talent can be enough for a playoff run!!

Remember the 2007-2008 sixers, they surprised people and made the playoffs.. i believe we have a better team than they did then!!

By the way, did you guys hear that B Griffin is injured and could miss up tp 20 games? Who can snatched the ROY award from Twill (should LF let him play)

I do think those are our five best players and they will give us the best chance to WIN! I just, however, wish we could have snagged a guy like Dejuan Blair to assist Brook down low. He could have been our rebounding machine. Think about all the quick passes and fast break opportunities to Devin, Courtney, CDR and T Will.

What is this obsession for DeJuan Blair and Ryan Anderson?

We don’t have either player and I don’t lose sleep for it.

Obsess over the players we have, not the ones we don’t.