Second and Third Quarters Kill Nets in New York

Ill sum it up quick for everyone. Bobby Simmons Lost us the lead and the game pretty much. This was one of Brook’s worst games.

More like simmons and twill. His FG % are soooo freaking low..

And once again, Yi blows up.

Man that player eff. rating stuff must be wrong. Im starting to doubt Rafer is better than Keyon. That wasn’t pretty, but then again thats what happens when your best player is sidelined and Bobby Simmons decides its okay to jack up shots like hes mike james. Seriously wtf Bobby?

Yi is interesting. Last time, a poster mentioned the fact that Yi plays better with DH not playing, and I dismissed it as a mere coincidence. It happened again today!!! What is going on? Let us see if Yi sucks again when Harris plays.

I’m really disgusted by the way Brook Lopez played today. He was just going through the motions for 3 and a half quarters before finally deciding to show some effort with a few minutes left. He allowed himself to be pushed around for the second straight game, did not hussle for rebounds, and seemed like he was totally disinterested. He is not a leader on this team right now and that is too bad.

Yi looked really good for the most part. He has some serious talent, that should no longer be in doubt by the posters on this board. You have to like the thought of him getting serious burn this year and eventually he should be able to find some consistency. He just has to become mean and aggressive and he would be set.

TWill looks awesome. Once he gets a jump shot – and it looks like he can at least hit the 3 – he is an all star in this league. He reminds me of Rajon Rondo, just a bit bigger. We are lucky to have him.

I hate to say it, but LFrank is hampering this team. How many times does the team show up and sleepwalk on his watch? I was a Greg Popovich type, a good basketball mind and an even better motivator.

By the way, Swat brought needed energy to this game in the few minutes he was given. He deserves more time.

@jackey. AND TWILL? Twill kept us in the game he played the best on the team.

Twill commited a rookie mistake, I dont believe Frank should of had T-Will throw it in he has never been in that pressure and obviously failed. I like the comeback but yet again we couldnt win I really dont want to be a joke this year because who will want to be here. I know the free agents at the end of the year dont care because most of them know they will be finding new homes. Rafer did a good job keeping the team together, I saw Brook was very upset and mad. I think Brook needs to get back into the swing of things as other people have said he was pushed around tonight. Brook needs to be more aggressive in the paint.

Brook did not shot well today, but he did have an excellent defensive game, didn’t he?

@KJV. Lopez Had a good defensive game the last 5 min when he got like 4 blocks

I told you. Courtney Lee does not have the ability to score one on one, any better than an average player. He’s a spot up shooter for the most part. CDR and TWill score better off dribbles than he does.

the game ended 93-89…

BOBBY BOBBY BOBBY !!!

@ ben
Simmons single-handedly lost this game for us.
We lost momemtum after that he pulled… i cant believe LF put him back in

Twill, CDR, Yi and Lee looked very good. We still need an athletic 4 to guard the quicker 4s in the league….Please dump Hassel, Simmonds and S Williams….

Here’s another thought….Why do we double anyone of the Knicks in the post? We leave their outside shooters open for open 3s!!!! This is coaching….I am not worried about any of their inside players.

Here is the rotation:

Brook
Yi
CDR
Lee
Harris

Dooling (Alston while Dooling is out)
TWill
Hayes
Najera
Boone

Brook Lopez has an off game..he seems like frustrated in every possession..And also he doesn’t have the aggressiveness unlike in previous game..But overall it a nice game..We all know that nets is in work in progress in terms of chemistry..Go nets..

The Nets should play in NEWARK. With the way they shoot we can call them the BRICK City Nets.

by far Brook’s worst game as a Nets player. Absolutely embarrassing.

Brooks off night tonight was no big deal. It was one bad game (preseason game i remind you) out of many great ones. T-will looked good and I thought Lee played well too. But seriously… wtf bobby simmons.

I’m thinking maybe Twill should start? Our second team really has no type of offense

hmmmm….DH didn’t play again, and again Yi’s shot attempts went up and had a good game (7-14, 10 fta, 11 boards), and when DH plays, notice how Yi’s attempts is way down…odd, Is the teamwork between Yi and DH not good?

Damn it,another loss, but good indications from the young guys, Yi has improved on offense, but sucks on defense, but he’s trying to get better, that’s the spirit!
Lopez really really played bad, against poor competition, but he will improve!
Alston sucks to, and will be 3rd PG when Dooling gets healthy Hassel and Simmons will not play this season…SF spot will be filled by Twill, CDR and Hayes.
I think our backourt is really special and has an infinite potential…If we get a star player at PF next season we ceartainly will contend for many and many years!
Twill is really impressing me, he does everything and has improved on offense, his shot is becoming nice!

@biggie. Courtney Lee plays well..he has not the ability to play one on one? C’mon man..

Net’s 1 and 2 get no defense at all!!!

it’s preseason… take it easy

if Lee and Harris played and it was a regular season game, it would have been game over for the knicks.

it would also have been a stinker for Yi… who seems to play well when the guards defer to him instead of trying to find their own shot with dribble penetration (and thus turning Yi into a spot up shooter)

POSITIVES T.WILLIAMS, CDR. LEE,AND YI

We got ourselves a relly good first rounder

MESSAGE TO T.WILLIAMS PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASE DO NOT HANG AROUND

MR.ROBINSON FROM THE NY KNICKS

The starting lineup should be as follows regardless of experience:

Devin
Lee
Terrence
Yi (Weakest link)
Brook

We know it is going to be a long season, so, why not start the rookie. It looks like he is gaining confidence and he PLAYS WITH PASSION AND HUSTLE! That alone makes him starting material in my opinion.

aha the knicks didn’t have al harrington their best player and they played their second and third units for the fourth quarter and still won and they shot 40% from the field. it would have been game over for the knicks? ok…

TWill may eventually be the second best player to come out of this past draft…

I am so confused by the coaching of Opie. Our rotation was a merry-go-round and how does someone get to play in the third quarter after missing 7 shots in a row that put your opponent back in the game. Then you finaly give SWat a chance to play with Simmons, Hassle and Alston on the floor with him. Does that make any sense?

I thought Yi was, overall, really impressive, especially compared to last year. I was particularly stunned by that gorgeous Dirk-like pivot turnaround fade from the left elbow. That looked AWESOME. I also liked how he attacked the basket on that follow-up dunk. Then, alas, at the very end of the game, he not only gets blocked stone-cold twice at the rim by Jordan Hill, but he does it without appearing bothered, without seeming to care, without seeming to go at the rim with any real force. I am not slamming him. I just think he has amazing talent and needs to get immensely tougher and more confident. Then he could be scary good. But tonight was definitely a solid first step in the right direction. Thoughts?

not a great night from the vetereans on the team. Hassel shot 0-5, Alston shot 0-4 and Simmons 0-8. A combined 0 points and 0-17 from the field.

Everyone knows that YI always play better without DH. That’s why I want yi to be in the second team. Look back at last year you can see all the good game he have was without DH.

@dan the fan
Its preseason. Winning the game isnt the overall goal so normal coaching logic doesnt apply. It does make sense to give people floor time to define roles and find a rotation for when the games matter. And who you are on the floor with should not effect effort or knowing where to be at both ends of the court.

Yi looked so confident out there on the floor it was like Christmas day seeing that from him.

@mikee21
lol thats the perfect way of putting it.

At duo :
So your saying you agree with the Fall of Fame coaching of Lepricon Frank then right? Preseason , the time for the coach to evaluate Simmons and Hassle and see what their game is about. Give me a brake

Yi needs to be tougher

@dan the fan
 Im saying there are 15 guys on the roster and those two vets you just named deserve a chance when the games dont count. Aren’t we paying bobby $11 million. If guys work hard in practice you give them a shot. What you are criticizing is the part of the point of preseason. You may fail to see the logic, but its sound and simple. I could be wrong and it could all be random substitutions, but i doubt that.

Bobby chucking up shots was horrible I guess he was mad he didnt make them. His percentage is going DOWN when we go DOWN when we go DOWN DOWN!

No seriously WTF Simmons?

I was at the game tonight and I had a couple of observations:

Don’t know why Hassell was in the game at all. There is no reason, with the young talent we have, that he should be getting any minutes pre-season or not.

Terrance Williams looked good. The defense wasn’t that bad for the majority of the game. But there were moments where it was absolutely atrocious.

I thought Brook had a good game regardless of what the people say on here.

Yi looked good but i’m not sold yet. Put together a few of those performances together and then we’ll start talking.

And the only reason why we were in the game at the end was because the Knicks decided to put in their second unit against the Nets first at the end. If it was a regular season game Nets would have lost by 20+.

See what happens on Wednesday. I’ll be at the Rock to see these 2 teams go at it again.

ps- Frank sucks!

That sequence at the end for Yi is unfortunately a reminder to us all that he is wilt prone and doesnt seem to have shaken it. He should have the mentality that if a rookie is on him at crunch time, and he is going at the hoop that that rookie has NO RIGHT TO HIS SPACE TO THE RIM and take it HAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDD. Until he grows a set and plays like that, he’ll remain a Mister softee getting b-slapped by marginal players in the paint.

Isn’t that Brook block Yi’s dunk attempt in the end of the game. It seems like Brook hit Yi on the hand when Yi brought the ball up.

Come on, Lee was just alright. I don’t see how he’s better than either CDR or WIlliams. ANd I don’t see he made a strong impact in the game, anymore than those punks in the Knicks. Face it, we got a good young player, but he ain’t no star star star…. His ability to drive the ball is no better than TWill or CDR. Most of his points came from open jumpshots.

aye whats yi jianlians preseason stats

Another loss in a crucial game.

I have the answer.

Fire Frank!

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@letsgetitstartedinhere

my thoughts exactly

This team looks alright in spurts. But in high-pressure stretches where you need someone to hit a tough shot, who is it gonna be? Simmons?

Courtney has been really impressive for playing only 3 games and not as many practices as everyone else. He still has to get used to his teammates but Lee takes good shots and no bad shots.

I support the team no matter what. That means if they have the championship in their hands or if they are down in the dumps of the east and NBA.

sean Williams will have a good season I believe

And tonight Bobby Simmons shows why he should be on the sidelines wearing a suit

Damn, gonna be a long, LONG year. Hat’s off to Frank for not resigning, and sitting through this mess, but he is getting paid nicely. It will be his last year though, and I appreciate him as a coach. He will probably be successful somewhere else down the road.

As for the team, comes down to talent, too many questions, too few answers.

I told ya, don’t make Brook Shaq just yet. He’ll have more than his share of struggles.

Yi somehow had 21, but sure seemed like a quiet 21 to me.

Hard to preach all-out effort on D, when you can’t store at all.

20 wins tops.

Lopez game wasnt tthat bad. he he struggled offensively, but he produced on defense. Lee is solid CDR was good twill was spectacular and blah blah blah lol. we’re not going to be that bad when harris plays you’ll see.

Listen L-Frank, I don’t see nothing wrong with him yea putting Simmons at the 4 is type crazy but where else could you put him when where deep at those positions already with a bunch of talented rookies you got to fit him somewhere. These loses I don’t blame L-Frank at all its preseason you have to experiment with the lineup and see what fits best with what. And its a bad situation when the Nets is winning its no complaints like how good they started the year last year but when they have a couple bad games its L-Frank this L-Frank that. Y’all don’t give the man credit for nothing at all especially with that stretch the one year when we went like 13 straight wins everything is negative blame the players for not playing well.

Yi was definitely fouled in the late game dunk attempt! new ref!

Hassell and Simmons: 40 minutes and zero for 13. Sean: a cup of coffee in the fifth pre-season game, in his make or break year. Does Men’s Wearhouse sell size 50 LONG LIME GREEN SUITS?
Order up three sideline outfits for these three stiffs. I hope Battie gets healthy soon enough to back up YI and Brook. AND Najera, still a DNP…not a good signing for Thorn. But I am starting to see the rotation…it is coming into focus…here it is: Albert King, Mike O’Koran and Yinka Dare!

Yi seems like the type the benefits from the more shots he gets. He has better games without Harris because when Harris isnt around the other PGs dont really take more than 5 shots. Yi would benefit from being in the second unit OR from putting T-Will into the starting SF spot so there are more shots to go around. Hopefully L Frank tries that before preseason is over, but i doubt it.

this team will remain mediocre till frank is fired and i see that coming. there is no way he gets rehired. proky had scouts at this game watching really close.

twill should start. i rather see cdr come off the bench. he provides a mean scoring punch but his defense is suspect.

With shooting it’s hard to be consistent. With defense and coaching it’s easy to be consistent and for the Nets regarding D and coaching we are consistently BAD! If you thought last year was bad it’s going to feel like we won the title compared to this year. I thought we were going to experiment this game. Boone and Swat play 14 minutes and Simmons and Hassel play 37. Every starter plays at least 30 minutes except for CDR cuz he got injured while the Knicks had nobody play over 30 minutes. I saw a big young foreign player with a future play last night. His name is…..Gallinari

Never thought I’d write this: Knicks play better d than the Nets. Wow. What an aweful game. We have so little talent it is startling. w/o Harris we are nothing.

I watched the Nets on TV some last night, was too disgusted to stay after Q1, flipped back some.. also, Frank just experimenting with Simmons, wants him to be Net’s Eddie House. Didn’t work but, geeze calm down folks. I didn’t see Yi play well, but wasn’t there, I do think CC pitched a great game…

I feel like SWill should just not come to practice.
7 minutes? I would be depressed too if I came to practice everyday, and I can only get 7 mins? Even though we are developing for the future?
BS gets to jack up shots all game?
Funny how LFrank said “we failed” with MWilliams but not with SWill?

The nets had no answer for david lee. The knicks also were scoring from the interior at will…that changed in the second half when sean williams played. swat played for a couple of minutes but slowed down the knicks’ interior offense. He did well and i would like to see him back up yi. Twill played well and yi surprised me, He looked confident and was very active. We even say Yi dunk! cdr is a ball hog therefore he shouldn’t start…i like what twill did today.

i meant last night^ :)

They just looked like they’re experimenting and trying to get guys some minutes. I don’t see Hassell or Simmons playing big minutes if any at all. The top players will be Lopez, Yi, DH, Twill, CDR, Dooling, Harris, Boone, Lee and Battie/Swat. This team will get better as the season goes on. DH is the key. He’s injury prone so he has to stay healthy. But I think if you have someone out there directing the team we have a lot of talent. But games like last night there was no real game plan or direction. They didn’t play off Brook and that’s where it all has to start on offense and defense.

Man its promising to see the way we find pts.
 Cdr needs to play a little more defense and
 Twill good job you took it to the rim most times and it worked told ya..
Clee dissappears too much and needs to be more aggressive ,looks to passive but has a great place in the team.
Everytime I see yi I feel bad for him ,he’s really bad but he’s trying .
The knicks were not better either they were lucky bobby 3’s didn’t fall cause the game could be lookes at much diff …
Gallinari sucks more than yi lol its true so sad to see that who they are trying to promote …….

On a side note damn Dblair is a killer …

WoW!! I dont know if anyone else posted this but:

Blaylock, Twill, Hassel, Simmons and Boone in the 2nd Quarter with 10 mins left up by 8.

What is the point of this lineup? No reason to replace Yi for Simmons here! I dont care if this is the preseason. This lineup doesnt make sense. I get Blaylock to give Alston some rest, but Hassel, Simmons and boone together. LOL!!!!!!! Swill for Yi is a stretch but then you can say it is an all Defense unit.

See Yi with the fake right and turn around J on the elbow? Whooey! He should do that move 1000 times every practice. He could be doing the dream shake any day now! : )

What are you DOING Bobby Simmons?!

What offense is this team running again? What happen to Lopez in the post? What is the point of these preseason games again? I am watching the recap on Yes. Did Swill get any PT in the first half?

I agree with Chris2… Yi’s really talented… he needs to find some consistency… I think we have a diamond in the rough… kudos to the Muscle Devil.

I also believe Sean deserves more PT…

Yeah Sean slowed down the knicks a bit. When swat doesn’t take crazy shots…he actually looks pretty good out there.

“SIC Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 9:47 am

What offense is this team running again? "

This team runs an offense? If so I haven’t seen it yet

Listening to Frazier was cool. He likes Lee. But one comment really put things in perspective: the Nets have a lot of athleticism, but not a lot of talent. It seems true. We don’t have shooters, really. They were also playing like individuals and not like a team. CDR and Yi are not good as starters. Maybe one but not two b/c they are like the black hole and never create for others. I’d rather see CDR off the bench for energy and points. He won’t be able to guard the sf’s in the league. So we are in the same boat as last year minus VC. We have a center (unlike last year) but we have sub par players at 4 and 3. And a decent player at 2. So we have half a team. And this will hurt us. Why not Boozer? Will he really hurt anyone’s development? Will he get us wins?

@Andy
agreed. You have to love the energy Swat brings when he’s focused. He could become the energizer of the team and help us a lot on defense…

Lets see

10/17 @ 7:21am “We have so little talent it is startling.”
10/17 @ 8:19am “we have a lot of talent.”

next

10/17 @ 1:17am “I appreciate him as a coach.”
10/16 @ 10:51pm “Fall of Fame coaching of Lepricon Frank”

and finally

10/17 10:27am “Yi’s really talented”
10/16 10:03pm “Yi blows up”

After they all watched the same game. LOL

Im going to keep my Alston hate on overdrive until people start to see how bad he really is!

i hope lfrank uses the lineup he had in the last couple of minutes to start the season…instead with harris

harris
lee
twill
yi
brook

the reserves imo should be dooling, cdr, hayes,swat, boone.

I’m hoping that the only reason L.Frank is playing Hassell and Simmons in the preseason is to showcase them for potential trades.

When the regular season starts, I’m praying only the young players play. We are building our team for the future; play the young kids including Sean Williams. I see a bright future for CDR, Terrance Williams, etc.

We seriously need to defend the 3 point line, we have been among the league’s worst in 3 point defense since L.Frank became coach. He has to preach defense first and the team needs to box out and get rebounds.

Hope we get at least 30 wins this season.

Let’s go Nets!!!

A lot of comments about Brook’s performance here, with most of them negative. I only caught the game on Knicks in 60, but from what I saw, the Knicks were collapsing on Brook whenever he got the ball, daring us to beat them from the outside. It worked and we better get used to it. Brook needs to be ready to pass out of the double team in the post.

Aside from that, the Nets looked pretty bad. Was Yi a bright spot? If so, that was pretty dim for a bright spot with lots of missed rebounds, lay-ups, and defensive assignments. Frank must have told Simmons to shoot it because he didn’t pull him after a few misses. He would have if the game counted.

@ Jabez – I dont know if you can say the Nets looked bad. When there are stupid lineups, you have to say the coach looks bad or even stupid. I am sorry but I have to bring this up again – Blaylock, Twill, Hassel, Simmons, and Boone. LOL!!!!! How could u bring in a squad like that up by 8 against a decent offensive team. LOL!!!!!! I dont care what Frank was trying to do. It was stupid!

@jabez…Yi puts up 21-11-2 in 29 minutes (50% shooting percentage), and you’re complaining of “lots of missed rebounds, layups…”? Team was +8 with Yi in the game…

Yi PF 30 7-14 0-0 7-10 2 9 11 0 2 1 5 2 21 +8

So, Yi played the fourth longest time, ended with the most +/- of the team. 21/11/2 with 5 TOs same highest with BR.

This team has a bright future, but it may take a while before they put it all together.

That 2nd unit , yes it was a good defensive team, but the only wrong is that the opposing team doesn’t need to defend. They all suck on offense. That’s why I love Frank so much. Well it’s just an experiment but I am not sure how he came up up with that line up. Maybe Frank watching Dick Van Dyke basketball team.

Good game, Yi, Lee and TWill. Glad to see Sean Williams get some time, but not enough time. Good game CDR. I have no problem with 13 pts, 2 rebs, and 2 asts in 23 mins. Plus you got us off to a good start until Simmons decided otherwise. Hope your neck injury is minor and you’ll be well for the next game. GO NETS!!

“..but Bobby Simmons shot the Knicks into the lead in the second, going 0-7 in the period, and New York led by eight at the half.” (Nets Daily intro)

I loved that!

I HATE SIMMONS!

Please, he’s junk. He’s good for inbounding passes and that’s it! Bench him or deal him!

And TWill looks soooo small out there. How big is he really?

I’ll be happy if we find one other big man to fit in our rotation…. but seriously, I don’t want to see Simmons getting any minutes. Work with this group:

Harris, Dooling, Alston, Lee
CDR, Twill, Hayes, Hassel
Yi, Lopez, Battie, Najera, SWat

But we really need another solid big. None of this Hassel/Simmons/Hayes playing PF BS.