Harris Out Wednesday

I must’ve missed something…Where is Stromile Swift?

I think he’s visiting an ailing family member.

Who cares Swift sucks.

i hope CDR gets some PT tonight. we cant keep burning out vince as the backup pg even though he is doing a fine job.

like Dave D said, if CDR cant get PT when harris is out when will he? i know frank doesnt want a lot of unexperienced players on the floor, but why not a cdr-vc/dooling-hayes/simmons-najera-boone lineup then? you have a bunch of experienced guys on there and you can let CDR handle the rock and then mix it up by letting vince/dooling bring it up once in a while.

there is a chance for cdr to play if frank wants to give it to him. of course we wont see cdr-vc-hayes-ryan/yi-brook out there because thats too many inexperienced guys and frank will pull the hair he has out

hopefully cdr plays, plays well and we win

Give keyon a standing O when he gets called during the lineups. About time someone said something about the boos. Seriosuly nobody should boo tonight even if they are down by 50.

This roster needs some work, and maybe as the trading deadline and the ten day contracts arrive, ROD will make some moves. We need a backup point, in addition to Dooling, who has played well, but also backs up Carter and plays really well when combined with Devin. We have people on the roster who will, it seems, NEVER EVER PLAY. Swift and Ager need to go, and we need a pass first, strong defense, 3rd point guard, NOT a combo, and NOT “well, maybe he can play the point” kind of guy. AND I think “we” should give Sean 20 games to “find himself” in D league, and if he doesn’t “find himself”, he will need to “find himself” somewhere else, because it may be time to give up on him.

CDR looks to tentative when is out there. It looks as if he is scared to mess up. I remember him being much more aggressive before his injury. If he can come out like he did in the preseason…then I think he can be a solid contributor when needed.

The Nets though desperately need to get another PG. Ideally…Keyon should be backing up VC, Jarvis should backup Bobby and we need someone to backup Harris.

Eddie Gill is not the solution. I’ve never been a fan of his game. Awkward looking shot and is not that good at creating for others…leave him in the D-League.

I posted this in the story about Julius Hodge, but this may be a better place for it…Sorry for the repost.

Maurice Ager scored 19 points a game his senior year in college a few short years ago. That’s a hell of a year. He did, however dish out 2.5 assists per game, which is by no means astounding.

My thought process brings me to the assumption that if you can put yourself in a position to score, you SHOULD (if your mindset is that of a facilitator) be able to put yourself in a position to help other people score by way of an assist.

What kills me the most about Ager is that when he get’s in the game he gets to the basket and forces up bad shots or he shoots bad shots because he’s looking to do what he did in college: score! I don’t think he has the size and strength to score at this level, nor will he ever. Why not see if he can run around and distribute the ball a little bit?

Give him 10 minutes a game for a few games in a row and tell him to do his best Steve Nash impression and see what happens.

I have the feeling he can get where he wants to be on the court. We’re not talking about Trenton Hassell here. Mo Ager can get off the ground in a hurry and seems to be quick enough to get into the paint.

Hell, send him to a point guard camp for a few weeks if you have to. If we’re too cheap to get a third string PG, we have to work with the cards we’ve been delt.

Can someone explain to me why Najera has suddenly been playing so much over Anderson? He hasn’t done much at all. I would rather see the rookie get some more time.

@Jon

Because the coach is Lawrence Frank. The same guy who started Jason Collins.

why shouldn’t Najera get some playing time? he’s hardly played all season.

agreeing with most posts on here.

It’s good that Harris doesn’t play tonight, because he shouldn’t risk damaging his hamstring even more, and we will need him more of next week.

Also Dooling, Carter, and Harris are the only ones I see playing the point. Give CDR a chance, he just needs enough time to adjust and play at an NBA level pace, and not force anything or take bad shots.

You don’t have too score too be productive, and that’s the reason why Najera has been getting minutes over Anderson. He gives us extra possessions and he is a good defender. Ryan has hit the rookie wall I think.

We need a 3rd string pg, CDR may fit more of as a 2, but give him a chance. Heck even give Ager a shot. Don’t put Hassell in as a point.

remember 0-4 without Harris. one half doesn’t count in records, but to me were 1-4 so let’s show what we got. it’s not going to be easy though.

I’m glad Devin Harris will take time to heal that injury. Hopefully he;ll be back Friday against his hometown crowd in Milwuakee.

wow Dooling really shoots his mouth off.

@Jon

Frank said that Anderson had hit the rookie wall. He hurt his lower back and his shot had been off. He’s using Najera to bring energy and hustle. He did keep a number of balls alive. Anderson will get back in the rotation. I would rather see Swift more than Najera. Swift played well the few games he played.

I think if Opie ran out of guards he would go with the Net dancers before he would go big. I say instead of booing Boone, the crowd should start the FIRE FRANK chant! Nothing could improve the team more than getting rid of Opie. Unfortunately he won’t be accountable until the team has reasonable expectations. I’d say high expectations but I hope he doesn’t last past reasonable ones.

CALL 911 THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE. EDDIE HOUSEEEEE

@ VC3

Are you suspecting that we are going to get blown out by the 11-24 Memphis Grizzlies who arrived at 5 am this morning dead beat after getting manhandled by the Timberwolves on their home court? Hmm…I think they would deserve a boo or two if they are losing by a large sum of points.

Stop bashing Frank people. He has a system he always follows that. At times that can drive you crazy but give the guy credit for the offense he has Nets running. We are 17-18 so Frank should get credit for that.

I think Frank isn’t everything you’d ever want in a coach, but he’s doing a good job and this team is exceeding expectations by quite a bit. I really think one of management’s main focuses during the off-season is showing good results, and that’s the concept of building the team around people with good character. I think this is why we can go down 20 points and still come back and win. You’d never see that with last season’s squad. Keep Frank, holla!

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to build a system around a speedy PG who made his name by attacking the basket and drawing contact. You people are giving Frank TOO much credit. I credit the emergence of Devin Harris, the vet presence of VC and the production of Dooling and Hayes off the bench for this record. Frank deserves SOME of the credit, but with him at the helm, the best we’ll ever be is mediocre. History tends to repeat itself and that’s all we’ve ever been with Frank.

Maybe we could get Starbury on the cheap?

Oh yeah, KEEP FRANK!

And, um…

HOLLLLAH!!!

Our future PG sure spends alot of time on the injury list more than Kidd did this early in the season.

Devin has been forcing the issues on offense, and now becoming injury-prone?

@ greg

You’re a smart guy, keep up the good work.

And don’t forget about the emergence of lopez.

The nets have surpassed expectations due to the surprisingly strong play of harris & lopez.

Period. End of story.

Anyone ever see the skit on MAD TV called “Lowered expectations”? Apparently this is whats ailing most of the “fans” of LF and management.

Yes, Harris, Carter and Lopez are playing very well, of course. Nobody is giving all the credit to Frank. And I believe that a certain dribble-drive offense that many were sneering at is what is making Harris so effective. The problem with you Frank haters is that you need Frank to be 100% bad and 0% good, and therefore when anyone has anything good to say about him you interpret it as an assertion that Frank is 100% good to the exclusion of everything else. Don’t be so threatened. It is plausible that Frank does has some coaching ability.

Here’s the starting lineup for YOURRRR NEW YORK NETS:

Devin Harris – PG
Dwayne Wade – SG
Caron Butler – SF
Yi Jianlian – PF
Brook Lopez – C

I am not a L. Frank supporter, but I’ll admit he’s doing an ok job.

@J Tallent

100% CORRECT! Frank is doing a good job this year. But it’s killin his haters to admit it because they didn’t think he deserved to be a high school coach. So after killing him so much they can’t stand to give him 10% credit. To give him no credit and all the credit when they win but to blame him 100% when they lose is stupid plain and simple. He’s not a genius but he’s doing a good job this year period!

Of course Frank’s uncle will say that. Just kidding. He probably doesn’t like him either.

I’ve actually given credit to Frank in posts here and on the firefrank website. That’s a rarity though and rightfully so.

Let’s logically think about something here, this goes for you Frank supporters. Could it be that the inconsistency production wise and the lack of passion in home games is directly related to the head coach? What about the fact he has to scream and yell at the players on BOTH ends of the floors to tell them WHERE to be? What about his inconsistent substitution patterns where Anderson and CDR are glued to the bench, but a player like Najera is getting the bulk of the minutes. Najera is almost as bad as Collins overall. He provides nothing offensively, his defense is average and his hustle is decent. Anderson and CDR can provide more overall on their worst day. What about the times where he gets outcoached in games after the opponent makes an adjustment and Frank can’t counter? Teams have killed us from 3 this year and Frank stays in a 2-3 zone (fist) – which is a recipe for failure. There’s a reason 80% of the coaches in the league don’t run a zone defense. This isn’t college or high school. Play to the strengths of the team. Harris was known for being a good on-ball defender, yet to see that as a Net, but his quickness should be a strength. Simmons only strength throughout his career is being an above average defender (yeah right, Simmons is awful) Another reason Frank is blind, this guy should be on the bench. Lopez, Najera, CDR – even VC – have proven they can be good defenders when they want to be. The zone isn’t working and if it does for a few possessions – Frank sticks with it for an entire quarter. We should force teams to play to our style and match up with us. Too many times we see Frank fall into the trap of the opposing coach. Another recipe for failure. I could obviously keep going, these are a few major points though.

Could some Frank supporters please stand up and defend this? Thanks..

I like Frank for this group but the offense is still suspect to me. We have bigs who can shoot, who would do better posting up than shooting jumpers. Yet the dribble-drive offense keeps them out of the paint, shooting jumpers as a bailout for the perimeter player that get caught in traffic. If Frank would add post play to the dribble drive, or post his bigs up more, I think there would be less critizism. Yi and Brook have had good games when being fed off the block or down low. They both just ned to get stronger!

@KAYBEE

Don’t forget VC in that. How often do you see on the block in this offense? A place where he can easily score by attacking the basket and facing up or shooting a 10 foot fadeaway. This would create a double team obviously, which gives an open jumper to someone on the wing (someone besides Hayes and Harris) A shot, someone like Anderson and CDR, could hit 60% of the time.

Bottom line; if the Nets aren’t hitting their jumpshots – we lose. We’re too one dimensional.

@ Greg,
Agree with your assessment of Najera. I don’t think he’s a good fit for this team. I think his deal was more so KiKi looking out for him and having him be a mentor until they trade him (hope so anyway). The style of play the Nets are playing does not fit him at all, he probably looked better in Denve because NO ONE played D there.
I also don’t think anyone can argue Frank’s shortcomings, but overall the team is where no one thought they would be and as a coach he deserves some credit. To what degree is an argument in itself, but he does deserve some credit. Sucess equals job security so unless they lose the rest of their games this year and some of next season, he’ll be coaching the Nets.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Frank is a poor coach, he always bases his line ups based on what the other team is doing which puts us at a disadvantage and is slow to make in game adjustments blah blah blah. His contract can’t end soon enough

Did someone in here really suggest Mo Ager run the point??

Ager is lucky that he has such a kushy job of keeping the bench warm while collecting a couple of figures. He’ll be in Europe or bagging groceries next year

Greg,

I agree with the VC assessment too. But I do think VC likes playing on the perimeter. I think if he said, “Coach, post me up so I can go to work,” Frank would do it. I loved when he played in the post in his earlier days, he’s a got back to basket player.

You’re also right about the team being one dimenisonal. Dribble-Drive or bust, LOL!

@Greg,

1. Could it be he has to yell on both ends of the floor because he has 8 new players most of them young that he has to constantly pu in position?

2. As for Anderson and CDR. A few games back he came out and said that Anderson had hit the rookie wall along with hurting his lower back. Because of this he was going to go with Najera. At the time Anderson was providing nothing and his 3 point shot had all but dissapeared. As far as CDR… he looks lost and very timid on the court. He shows no quickness or athletic ability. It may be baecause he was hurt. But the CDR love isn’t proven. To say he’s a good defender isn’t true.

3. You yourself say that Simmons isn’t a good defender. Neither is Yi. And Brook is a rookie and foul prone. How do you hide bad defenders? Zone

Is the rotation perfect …I don’t know. The results are very good though… come on maaaaan you can admit it… come on….puleaaaze…lol. It won’t hurt. Frank’s not really related to Osama Bin Ladin no matter what the frank haters say…

Bottom line is this team is overacheiving and everyone in the league is saying that except Frank haters.

wow give me a break harris is injured every player gets injured look at carmelo anthony out for 3 weeks devin harris is a superstar hopefully he dosent play AGAINST THE BUCKS EITHER! because the nets could beat the grizzles and the bucks without harris and harris should rest and heal because we have two games against the celtics and blazers in 10 days so we need him for those games, and brooklynbob get your useless opinons out of here didnt u say the nets were going to be the worst team in the nba go and give your weak knowledge to another team

1. VC shouldn’t have to approach the coach and TELL him to put him in the post. The coach puts the players in the best positions to succeed.

2. Frank yelling at both ends. If his preparation in practice is top-notch, he shouldn’t have to yell during the games.

3. Anderson got the nod from Brian Hill and Najera was glued to the bench. What was the result?

4. Hide bad defenders with a zone, I agree. Does that mean you run it the entire game? NO!

5. I thought this team would do well back in the offseason with the roster intact. Go back and look. These “young” players have proven to be winners. Almost all of them and they’re surrounded with solid vet leadership by VC, Hayes, Dooling, Najera. This team is winning because of the production and the depth we now have. We’ll still be mediocre and finish at or around .500 because of the coach. It’s the same result, we’ve had different players, the only constant remaining is the coach. End of story.

@Greg

Come on man you can do better than that.

Anderson hit one 3 pointer and had 3 pts in that game.

This offense is meant to exploit the veteran scorers talents. Instead of creating double teams with post ups. The Nets do it with the dribble drive. That’s why they wanted spot up shooters like Hayes, Simmons and Yi. They create the double team by driving and kicking. and VC and Dvevin score plenty of pints in this offense if you haven’t noticed.

And Brook is inconsitent down low and is very mechanical. He’ll learn, but if you watch the game she gets stripped a lot down there. He and Yi need to get stronger.

Frank haters just want him fired. But never say who would be the perfect coach. That’s why I know you just don’t like HIM and will never give him 5% credit. Who has ever gotten fired when they overacheive? To think that’s going to happen isn’t to smart.

@ Greg,

VC is a superstar. He plays where he wants to on the court. If he wanted to be in the post, he’d be there. That’s the point I was trying to make. That is not Frank’s fault.
There are few coaches that place players where they want. Some make up their minds on what offense they are going to run and the players have to adjust (i.e. Phil Jackson) or develop their offense around their personnel (Byron Scott). Scott believes in defense too but when he got a pg like Paul they became more offensive minded. Jackson is a hardnosed coach who believes in his offense no matter what. Kobe didn’t like the triangle at first but they one 3 championships in it.
Frank is a player’s coach yet he has his schemes and believes he can get them to work like most coaches. But unlike most coaches if a player of VC’s caliber offered suggestions, he would listen. And coaches don’t necessarily use players for the player’s best interest due to their own design (Avery Johnson), but rather for the team as a whole.

I like the sound of YOUR NEW JERSEY NETS!

Why not!!
C D R needs playing time.

Isnt Deving Harris a “SHOOT FIRST POINT GUARD”!!!
CDR has been in the “dribble drive offense”

longer than Lawrence Frank has known about it.

So why wouldnt Frank pick CDR’s brain??

Why hasn’t Frank used CDR more in spots where DH or VC are having off nights at the same time??

CDR is 6’7’’ 200lbs he can play PG SG and SF.

He was the leader of Memphis. Rose was the “star”
but CDR got his own shot and made at least 53% of his shots inside 3.
Thats BIG
He knows the game, hes from Detroit,and he’s very smart!!!
He is a very good rhythm shooter.
Look at these stats
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Douglas-Roberts-506/stats/

LFrank is a very good X’s and O’s coach.
But he doesn’t think outside of the box!!!

Frank is still 17-18 on a team that has half their players with 2 years or less experience. They should be 18-18 by the end of the night.

Who suggested that D’Antoni would do well here? He’s not doing that well across the river. Who suggested Avery Johnson? Half the Mavs player told Cuban they’d be asking for trades if Avery wasn’t fired. Who suggested Eddie Jordan? He was fired too. Why don’t you people stop suggesting other coaches would do well here. That’s something any of you CANNOT prove. Just live with the coach we have now because he’s doing a fantastic job.

@djheavyduty

From NJ.com

CDR played at Detroit and against the Bulls, you may recall, and put up nothing but donuts (27 minutes, 2 points, 0 assists, 0-for-7). Nobody doubts he’ll be a player. They just can’t afford to have more than two or three guys learning on the fly right now, and he’s still weeks behind since his preseason knee injury.

He is out and our young players will get more touches.

I suggest that they save Devin Harris for the games against the Celtics, because that’s where he will be needed the most right now. They should be able to put up wins against the Bucks and Thunder since they aren’t that good. I am only saying this so that he can be ready by then, because his hamstring will probably be okay before that game. Honestly, I don’t want to be hurt in the next games before that one, especially if he has to leave early against the Celtics, which can cost the Nets either of those games.