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Frank and the Rooks ... It's Not What It Seems

"It's one of the things we certainly need to do better," said Rod Thorn in his post-season talk with beat reporters. "You have to work at it constantly. You've got to let guys have some minutes in order to see."

Sounds like a criticism of Lawrence Frank, doesn't it? Not so fast.

"And I don't want to mislead - you've got to have the right people. If you don't have the right people, you can work and work and work (with them) and they're still only going to be OK. It's a combination of several things."

Sounds like self-criticism, doesn't it? After all, Who's ultimately in charge of finding those "right people"?

With the Nets having three picks in this year's draft and six players under the age of 25, player development is a big issue for the Nets.

The conventional wisdom is that Frank never gives young guys a chance. The conventional wisdom is that Frank doesn't like to give rookies significant minutes. But is that an accurate assessment? First of all, what coach, particularly one with a record of consistently making the playoffs, ever willingly gives rookies a lot of time on the floor...particularly those drafted after the lottery or in the second round? Remember this is a coach who won 49 games in 2005-06 with a bench whose only two reliable members were a 39-year-old Cliff Robinson and a 31-year-old Jacque Vaughn.

More importantly, the numbers suggest otherwise. With the exception of Antoine Wright and Mile Ilic, the ill-fated 2005 draft class, Net rookies have gotten minutes quite comparable with what players selected at the same level in the draft have gotten elsewhere, according to a NetsDaily analysis.

Frank has often had to play rookies out of necessity and he has often resisted. After all, this is a coach who won 49 games with a 39-year-old Cliff Robinson and a 31-year-old Jacque Vaughn as his first options off the bench. He wants to trust his veterans, but the veterans he has found on his roster aren't as good as the kids. (Do the names Rodney Buford, Jabari Smith, Rodney Rogers, Marc Jackson, Lamond Murray, Linton Johnson III, Scott Padgett, Jeff McInnis, Travis Best, Eric Williams, Jamaal Magloire mean anything to you?)

Specifically, here's how Frank has played rookies in each of his four full years as coach. For the sake of clarity, we're not going to include rookies who were called up from the D-League, players like Billy Thomas and Derrick Zimmerman, or those went back and forth, like Ilic.

2003-04: The Nets first European player since Drazen Petrovic is drafted amid high hopes and nostalgia. Zoran Planinic arrives in the US and at first impresses the team in summer league. "He had a VERY good summer league" Ed Stefanski says later. But a lot of things intervene. Planinic is lonely, homesick. Stefanski admits the franchise didn't know how to handle international players, particularly one who speaks such poor English. Byron Scott reportedly tells the front office, "get me an AMERICAN point guard". It's tough to lay this one at Frank's feet, at least this year. A year later, Richard Jefferson publicly says Planinic needed more time to develop. Then he breaks his hand and misses half the season.

2004-05: Euroleague star Nenad Krstic comes to the US. He cannot speak English. He is 20 years old. He sits on the bench for a few games, then in December after Alonzo Mourning starts to sulk, Frank gives him a chance. He plays 75 games, including 57 as a starter, racks up 1,965 minutes, seventh among rookies, and averages 10 points in the regular season, eighth among rookies. In the playoffs, he plays 38.5 minuts a game and averages 18.3 points and 7.5 rebounds in five games, tops among rookies. He makes the All-Rookie Second Team. Not bad for a guy who was drafted #24 in 2002. The Nets learn their lesson, getting him a translator. Planinic helps him adjust.

2005-06: At #15, Antoine Wright is the highest Nets' pick since RJ. He is a bust. Deal with it. It happens. In his first year, he shows he is not good enough, not mature enough. Helpful hint as to why his playing time is limited: Wright plays 39 games and only 370 minutes and shows he has a long way to go. Over the next two years, Frank gives him plenty of chances. He remains inconsistent. How's he doing in Dallas? Will be even be in the league next season? Is this who Thorn is referring to when he says, "If you don't have the right people, you can work and work and work (with them) and they're still only going to be OK"?

2006-07: Three rookies--Marcus Williams, Josh Boone and Hassan Adams--make the Nets' roster and get a grand total of 2,375 minutes. The total would have been higher if Boone hadn't been hurt in the summer. That's an average of 30 minutes a game for three back-ups. Adams starts eight games after being drafted at #54. No player taken in the bottom half of the second round starts more than two. Let's compare those numbers to the Hornets who also have three rookies in 2006-07, each taken before the players the Nets selected. Hilton Armstrong was taken ten spots ahead of Williams at #12 (and had been the object of Thorn's desires), Cedric Simmons was taken eight spots ahead of Boone at #15 and Marcus Vinicius, a Brazilian sharpshooter, was taken 11 spots ahead of Adams at #43. They play a grand total of 1,271 minutes, half what the Nets' threesome plays. Williams, in spite of his up-and-down season, makes the All-Rookie Second Team. Then, he breaks his foot just before training camp.

2007-08: The Nets' high-risk/high-return rookie, Sean Williams, has a mediocre summer league and is described as a "project" by everyone. Yet, he winds up playing 1,278 minutes, starting 29 games, the most by a Nets' rookie since Krstic. No player drafted after him starts more than 16 games. Nine of the players taken before him don't start that many. After several miserable outings and an admission that his legs "feel heavy", he sits at the end of the year. Anyone going to say he deserved to play...after he played poorly, particularly on defense, and after the team acquired two similar players with more experience? Not to mention complaints about his attitude and maturity from his teammates.

Of course, it's not all about numbers. It's about "development", certainly a subjective term. Yet, in two cases when dealing with key young players, Frank made his mark this year.

On arrival in New Jersey, Devin Harris, age 24, is handed the keys to the team. Obviously, Frank wouldn't have done that if Kidd was still around, but Kidd wasn't. Harris, frustrated by Avery Johnson's control-freak coaching, rewards Frank's trust by setting career highs in points, assists, rebounds, field goals made and attempted, three pointers made and attempted, steals, blocks and, perhaps most importantly, minutes...all in 25 games.

And what about Boone's development? After missing two training camps due to surgery, Boone got his shot this year, less than a third of the way into the season. He winds up with 13 double-doubles, more than anyone in his draft class, which includes highly prized prospects like Andrea Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas, and yes, even LaMarcus Aldridge.

Frank isn't perfect. And the Net system, for better or worse, is tough to learn, particularly for rookies. Read what Rod Benson said about Nets' training camp in this month's SLAM Magazine: "There is so much to deal with mentally. First it was all the plays--it was damn near like trying to memorize the dictionary. And New Jersey's plays were all based on reads, which made it even tougher. Basically, the five guys you see in those bright red Nets jerseys on the court have to be a bunch of tall Peyton Mannings."

Here's the reality: Frank gives minutes to players he trusts, no matter what the experience level. When those players don't perform, they sit. He uses the prospect of big minutes as an incentive. That Frank doesn't encourage or play young players is not just conventional wisdom. It is 180 degrees wrong.

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So much for integrity, Bob. My mistake.

by David on May 3, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

@David
So I guess that means you have no response. Fair enough. But rather than be insulting, challenge the assumptions…if you can.

by NetIncome on May 3, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s not minutes. It is establishing trust and consistancy. he doesn’t trust them and does not allow them to play through mistakes. Sean Williams goes from stating to not getting off the bench. Marcus makes a bad pass or a bad shot and gets pulled never to see daylight. I don’t trust this guy at all to develop young players. He can’t impart any “been there done that” type of wisdom. His rotation management is about the worst I’ve seen. We have regressed for three years in a row. The coach has to lead and be able to have a system that works and I’m sorry, he fails miserably at both counts. This also affects young players. It’s bad enough they are going to Brooklyn. Having to watch them with Lawrence Frank as coach util then will be awful.

by Peter on May 3, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there one person out there who thinks Frank would get any calls as a head coach from any other team in the league….of course not. Avery Johnson gets three within days of being fired. Why not get the best coach possible for your team if you want to win and be competitive. Keeping Frank is admitting you are going to be a middle of the road team.
mo

by mo on May 4, 2008 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

What?? The Nets system is hard to learn? That’s just an excuse. If the other team knows your plays then I know damn well your own team knows the system.

Of course, he’s going to give minutes to the players he trusts, they are the only ones getting playing time. Hence, the non-development.

Just quit talking about it and be about it. Do something different and start developing, start motivating, stop bowing down to the vets, learn when to substitute and when not to, do whatever it takes to bring out the best in this team. Man up!!!

by shady1 on May 4, 2008 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

When Sean Williams play Kristic must pray… about minutes!
When Nenad Krstic play NJN must looooose!

Williams – 5min. = WIN
Kristic – S5 – 20-30min = LOST

Why Kristic is in S5, why….?

AREA 51 IS ROTY!!!!!!!!

by slawo on May 4, 2008 5:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Peter makes a good point- it is not just about minutes. It is about developing trust and confidence in their own abilities. How many times have we heard about our young players not having enough confidence. They get a chance to be on the floor, but they get pulled too quickly after making mistakes. This pattern erodes their self-confidence and the young players begin to “think” instead of play instinctively.

by Kevin on May 4, 2008 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

If you start 29 games, you should develop a certain level of consistency on your own. All this hoo-ha about Frank pulling rookies and ruining their precious confidence gets really tiresome, particularly when the same players keep making the same mistakes. Boone seems to have gotten past this problem and he was the player supposedly with the least amount of self-confidence.

I like both Williams a lot and understand both are still young, but Marcus still can’t guard a bank with a machine gun and Sean is often out of place at both ends of the floor. Before blaming Frank for their problems, you might want to re-read what Carter and Jefferson said about them PUBLICLY: that Marcus needs to be more consistent when he is out there on the floor and Sean needs to be more mature.

This is exactly the response I expected. Ignore the facts and find excuses.

by NetIncome on May 4, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

@ Net Income

Let’s choose to overlook this particular area. What has this man done in the the last couple of years to justify keeping him? Our offense is awful, the players tank early and don’t put up effort. We have regressed for three years in a row. It is also the coach’s job to have them ready and find a system for them to play in. he does not adapt well to changes in the game. You can say anything you want but I and a lot of others think he is an awful coach.

You call my premises excuses but I stand by the sense that it is not all about minutes.

by Peter on May 4, 2008 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Why would you choose to overlook this particular area when it’s only the focus of this entire article? Bash Frank for the other stuff you cited when when you have the information, but it’s convenient how when there’s an article stating that Frank DOES play rookies…people choose to ignore it. Does that really strike you as the best way to convince people of your position?

by Anthony on May 4, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

How many rookies flourished under LF’s guidance? None. And please do not call somebody a bust just because he did not do well under LF. Who knows what would have happened under different circumstance?

by icywater on May 4, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Anthony, let me say it differently. based on this I’ll concede that he gives them minutes. But how many of those minutes are in garbage time or at the end of quarters or the half when you know the clock is going to stop and you can’t get yourself into a rhythm or if you make one bad play you’re nailed to the bench. He needs to develop them by giving them minutes and allowing them to play through.

He admits that he failed to get the players to buy in. His rotation management is awful, the offense is too complicated and the defense sucks. He is a good X’s and O’s guy but that is an assistant’s job. He is supposed to be a head coach. I would take Butch Beard or any other guy who has been our coach instead of L. Frank. He can’t leave soon enough for me.

by Peter on May 4, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Poor article, I hate when writers just throw a bunch of statistics at you to try and make a point. Kristic got minutes after it was apparent the first 2 months that the kid was smart, had tremendous talent and that Frank was just being a boob by not putting him in the game. Necessity forced Frank’s hand. My biggest complaint with Frank has to be the duo of Huskies. Both showed flashes of brilliance in their rookie years despite public comments by Frank that had to shoot their confidence. Boone is smart and mature and he found a way to make sure the coach wasn’t daft enough to ignore him for two years. Williams struggles show that if you are not the coach’s cookie-cutter type than he has no patience for dealing with you. My conclusion is that while you can throw whatever numbers you want out there, Frank often coaches without the emotion of great coaches (who have once played the game themselves). His style is death to players who are young and have to learn how to better self-motivate.

by Galen on May 4, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

@ NetIncome

Carter and Jefferson should take their own advice and learn to be just as consistent. When the young guys do step up their games, here comes Carter with the iso crap as if he’s going to give us a win but because of his own inconsistency, he rarely gets the job done.

by shady1 on May 4, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, I’ve been reading this blog for a few months now and never felt the need to comment – hilariously funny some days but mostly a handful of people commenting on things of which they have no real knowledge or understanding. Seems like a bunch of teenagers who easily jump to conclusions, make over-generalizations, and generally react quite defensively when others don’t agree with them – easy targets for button pushing (@mina:-)

However, Netsdaily and Net Income’s bias against some players while the coach and veteran players except vc can do no wrong is too hard to overlook at this point (no need to mention other names – we all know who they are).

This article is just amazing – I am still in awe at how you can twist anything to Frank’s benefit. When I saw the title of the article I said, ok, now maybe finally we’re going to start hearing things that are a bit closer to the truth so that things could lighten up a bit around here. But no, you made it even worse! You have absolutely no credibility any more – I was at least trying to give the benefit of the doubt – until this…man, just amazing.

This article will come back to haunt you Net Income.

Facts, I mean, facts, are you serious? I don’t even think you guys know what those are anymore.

by S. R. on May 5, 2008 2:16 AM EDT reply actions  

You too – wow. I’d really prefer that my comments be ignored and not posted rather than you guys editing them for no good reason.

Just amazing – and you really call this a blog? Don’t worry, no more comments from me. Sticking to sites that aren’t so policed by control freaks.

by S.R. on May 5, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

S.R., Gelen and Shady 1 speak the truth! Every day I read this blog, I see how pro-Frank it is. If you haven’t already “firefrank.com”.

The Suns,Mavs make the playoff’s and fire their coaches. We miss the playoffs and our coach keeps his job? NO!

by lincoln621 on May 6, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

“Here’s the reality: Frank gives minutes to players he trusts, no matter what the experience level. When those players don’t perform, they sit. He uses the prospect of big minutes as an incentive. That Frank doesn’t encourage or play young players is not just conventional wisdom. It is 180 degrees wrong.”

all of a sudden net income or bobbo i should say is throwing out facts…yea right.

this seems like such a kiss * article.

bottom line the youngsters minutes were inconsistent so their lay was incomnsitent.

he needs to learn how to trust them and be patient with them. its a no brainer to think that a rookie will only get better idf he plays through his mistakes.

the fact that frank only sticks with the player he trusts killed this team. plying guys like collins and allen the worst defender in the NBA is just ludicrous. and even though wright was a bust he was frank’s first player off the bench.

no matter how you cut it, the first thing that came out of thron’s mouth was that frank doesnt develop youngsters. in order to not give the media a chance to use these wqords as ammunition towards frank from thorn he added the you neeed the rifht players line.

thron beleives in those players he selected cvery much so.

and not once did any player or coach say anyuything about sean’s attitude or maturity. i dont know where you bring this nonsense from.

bottom libe, all the youngster have underachiveevd under frank.

the whole team has underachieved.

maybe next time you should write an artcticle on why fran self admittedly called himself a fauilure this year. but i guess youll probably twist it in a positive for frank.

frank ranked 28 out of 30 coahes this year only krystwack and thomas were worse, and he even beat the nets three times this year wiht a injured roster no less.

this site should not be so bias. these are responses for all the critcal comments of frank.

95% of the netsfan base think frank has done a horrible job this year.

dont think an article like will change anyone’s mind bobbo. nivce try though. but ya you definitly lost all credibiltiy there. maximum frank last one more year, minumum till december after his patented awful starts to seasons.

but ya he’s the nba’s best coach, and he’s a keeper i guess, but till now none of you have given ONE legit reason why he should stay after his awful coaching this year. every year excuses, injuries, kidd, he lost his hair, players are mocking him the roster stinks. i guess these are facts.

and ya, if frank is coach next year, you guys can already call next year’s piucks busts.

and with devin his nubers didnt get much better. he averaged one more point and one more assits and played 5 more minutes and shot a weaker fg %. so maybe you should get your facts staright.

by mina on May 10, 2008 3:25 AM EDT reply actions  

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